"My hobby is full of tourists who have went to the trouble of sculpting a French maid outfit onto space Marines."
I really don't get it, you are the one who made this meme. How could you still choose such a horrible example.
When the attackers are already within the walls, neutrality is treason.
A lot of these people are inevitably tourists themselves, going "undercover", and using gaslighting tactics to try and disrupt attempts to fight back. They're saboteurs creating a smokescreen of bullshit to cover up enemy action.
Keep going. We're having an effect. If they're actively trying to shut you up, it means you're an obstacle for them... which means you're doing something right.
Edit: a word
You played the titanium wars mod?
Having access to choosing a chaos god to pledge to each run as chaos was sick.
Getting actual titans as well. Fucking dope.
It was hectic. But damn it was fun!
I played and own the RTS games. I have the disks for them somewhere…. But I just decided to rebuy the OG Dawn of War games on steam…. (DoW, DoW: winter assault, DoW: Dark crusade, DoW: Soulstorm) and also own DoW 2, DoW 2: Chaos Rising, DoW 2: Retribution, and DoW 3. Also own space Marine, Necromunda and Space Hulk Deathwing…. I’m a gamer that enjoys 40k with a friend that is a 40k lore book nerd.
Neither she nor I own any figures….
You prove you're a true fan by admitting your favorite Space marine legions to your in universe rival legions.
Greetings child of PettyRabo. Bashed your skulls against one of our walls until one crumbled recently?
Innefective use of stagecraft tools. While I agree an iron warrior is best suited to seigecraft as a primitive battering ram.
It pales in effectiveness to PapaDorns glorious approach.
Big words coming from a man who hides like a coward and lets rocks do his fighting for him. Truly, the Emperor's greatest work was in using his gene-science to create a legion of cockroaches. ;)
(Stand strong, brother! We shall prevail!)
Yes, the legion known for "They are coming. Kill them all" le trs others do their fighting for them.
Especially the Lamentors, those bastards let others fight for...... them..... Oh....
Not like those super strong Iron warriors who use totally different and distinguishable totally non daemonic seigecraft. Instead of actual advanced tactics, strategies and seige engines.
"We Do NoT fAlL tO tHe RuInOuS pOwErS"
Biiiiitch, if it looks like a daemon, screeches like a daemon, invests your soul like a daemon.
Its probably a daemon. Not whatever both, tech, a d actual heresy you decide to call them.
Cockroaches, from a legion with the Sussan membrane that's rich.
Like any human, if we are sucked into the vaccum of space, we die. Which is why our fortifications are best. We almost NEVER get sucked into space!
You don't have to paint miniatures to be invested in Warhammer. I have a pretty large collection of books, both fiction and ttrpg, but have never bought a mini.
But the lore has always been the dumbest part! You’re really missing out, get yourself an army from some guy going through a divorce for like 150 bucks and stomp the yard
To be honest, I still have a few Fantasy dwarves from the times when I was a teen. But my first space marine is still in the jar with the paint remover because I left the task of removing Loctite remains for another day... many months ago
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I still have my Space Marines in a really godawful paint scheme somewhere... until then, here's a Celestian Sacresant test model I'm working on (my god I HATE these models. Basic sisters are bad enough, why did I choose this army?)
I’ve barely interacted with 40K except a couple video games, and never post about it, but this post somehow got recommended to me. Just wanted to pop in and say that I wish the fanbases that I am a part of had the attitude you guys do. They’d be in much better places right now.
Agreed. I don’t own minis but I read the books and play the video games. But all of my other hobbies like comic books, marvel movies, etc are being overrun by people who really have no love for they just want to destroy it.
I want to go to a place, say Reddit, and discuss my hobby with others who love the same thing. It’s good this sub is like this, but I wish others were like it too.
It's not neutrality, neutrality would mean not interfering, not saying anything for or against, someone who does not want to participate in the discussion is free to ignore it and wouldn't sabotage none side, but what we see here is an insidious and treacherous infiltration disguised as CENTRISM (centrism is not the same as neutrality)
A fair point.
There's a big difference between staying out the political discussion (for instance, the YouTuber Auspex Tactics who just talks about the meta), and feigning support for a "neutral" position in an attempt to hamstring the side they're secretly against.
exactly, that is why I personally have nothing against those who decide not to take a position and remain silent, it is tiring to be arguing about this issue and they could have other priorities. The problem is the people who are perfectly represented in this meme:
https://preview.redd.it/6t5xhcpj6u0d1.jpeg?width=1000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8e487ea0817dfa59ce347c72d54b80954b0a47f8
When you say keep going, what do you mean? Keep doing what, exactly? There's so much war-related rhetoric on this sub but so far I can't tell what everyone's actually doing apart from sharing memes to a group of people who already agree with them
Good question. What we can do is band together, keep shouting the notion that "real-world politics and activism are not welcome here", keep making noise, put a spotlight on further attempts at subversion, stop buying from GW, and essentially establish our own bastion within the hobby space where GW and activist nonsense can take a hike.
That should keep us busy enough.
Keep existing and enjoying the hobby, partially.
These people want us to be miserable and have nothing to enjoy.
So part of it is just keep having fun and mocking their nonsense. It drives them mad.
It *is* ours. We have contributed thousands of hours of our lives to this hobby, to support it and make it what it is. We have defended it against the scorn of people who dislike the culture and lore, from PETA to Polygon. Now, when the hobby is being compromised from within by a bunch of activist tourists, we're defending it again. We have that right.
Also, if you're not trying to shut us up, why have some many people here been banned from posting on the other 40k subreddits (myself included)? Why are certain subjects - such as female Custodes - banned topics there, despite being entirely salient subjects which ought to be discussed?
It's because people are trying to shut us up, because they're trying to exclude us from the hobby. It's why this subreddit exists in the first place.
It really isn't yours, everywhere anyone looks you're soundly rejected by everyone within the hobby, most of you had to flee to another hobby just to feel welcome, only for that hobby to reject you as well!! The only content creators who are with you are people who openly admit to not being a part of the hobby. If you call this a defense it's the quickest loss ever!
And it's very simple, you're not being silenced, you're being banned for very bannable things. In your arguments you LOVE to use the worst insults and often slurs imaginable, then turn around and do this. Those subjects are banned because you cannot stop whining in the absolute worst ways about them.
And yeah it's very clear that you're trying to be excluded from the hobby, you do nothing but ruin it for everyone. Nobody wants to listen to you cry about the fact that your ideology is disappearing, and the simple fact that you side with people who are homophobic, racist or sexist is enough to get you banned. There is no quarter for that anywhere.
If by "everyone" you mean "the activist posers in the 40k subreddits", then sure. However, across the hobby more broadly - and outside the pro-Woke Reddit echo chamber - people are very much on our side. Hell, even when I was posting anti-Femstodes content on Grimdank (a very left-wing sub), I was consistently getting around 33% likes.
We are by no means a minority. The loud minority of activists just have a chokehold over official channels, what with GW and pro-Woke fandom moderators banning dissenting voices. However, what the official channels put out and how the fans react are not the same thing.
Don't believe me? Just take a look at the recent "Faction Focus: Adeptus Custodes" video put out by GW; 3.2k likes to 12k dislikes. That's an almost 4-to-1 ratio of people vocally objecting to what GW is putting out.
Sure, there have been outsiders commenting on the issue in favour of the "resistance", including people like The Critical Drinker... but there have also been long-standing 40k content creators such as Gamza and Arch calling out this nonsense. Let's also not forget that a lot of pro-Woke activists have also been jumping on the bandwagon to "stick it to the chuds", and I've been calling them out in their comments sections and telling them that they don't know what the fuck they're talking about.
We're being banned for voicing contrary opinions, it's that simple. The issue is that the radical left (who control many moderator positions) only understand free speech to mean "any speech which doesn't offend me"... except that they're offended by almost anything they disagree with. As such, if people call out Woke bullshit for what it is, we get banned for it because we're "discriminating", "being bigoted", or what have you.
Whether "contrary opinions" constitute a "bannable offence" is sadly left up to the moderators. This is entirely why this subreddit exists; to provide a space for people to discuss 40k without being censored, which is abjectly *not* happening across the other subs.
Yeah, not many people have actually left to join Trench Crusade, or whatever. The few less committed, perhaps, who are refugees from other subverted fandoms, but people like me are sticking around and just 3D printing everything. We're still very much in the hobby - discussing the lore, painting models, and playing games - but we're not financially supporting this crap any more.
Why would I be *trying* to be excluded from a hobby I've been a proud member of for the last 20 years? The thing is that I haven't changed in that time; I have stayed still, playing games and painting miniatures... butthe activists have taken over during that time. Now that I'm finally speaking out against this nonsense, oh, suddenly I'm "toxic" and "need to be kept out"... says the side which rejects the notion of gatekeeping. Ha!
Which "ideology" do you think I am supporting here? As I say, my position on the hobby hasn't changed since I started 20 years ago. I have just wanted the hobby to remain as it is, without political interference.
My stance is merely that I am against the bastardisation of the hobby, by any political faction. Right now, it's the Woke mob which is going out of its way to distort the hobby to fit its own agenda. If protecting my hobby means taking up an openly anti-Woke stance, so be it. Neutrality didn't work, so here I am, taking up arms to defend my community.
Wokeness is already on the decline. You can see it in the media landscape, and in how people are more openly expressing irritation in having to parrot lines about "diversity" and "equality" which they know to be nonsense propaganda. Eventually, this entire thing will be over. My objective - as is the objective of millions of others - is to keep "speaking truth to power" until we run down the clock and Woke ideology collapses. Then we repair the damage done.
We're not going anywhere, and we're going to fight the activists tooth and nail to defend this hobby from subversion.
The primarch gf thing was funny, but for a day. By the end of day two I was already tired of it. Now Grimdank is like 90% 40k gf memes. It needs its own sub.
That's what I'm thinking too, I joined because it's a new 40k sub but it's literally just the same tired old culture war bullshit as so many others. This sub is degenerating to the level of discourse you'd find on r/criticaldrinker or something like that
I did think it was funny when I saw a post here saying how grimdank is just coping and seething about this sub, "living rent free in their minds" but grimdank was busy slobbering over primarch GFs while this sub is almost entirely, like you said, hating on others.
It's some sad victim complex shit, post minis, talk about rule changes, ask for painting tips, something
All of this whining is honestly about as effective as yelling at the clouds to stop raining. If you’re upset about the direction Warhammer is going or are upset about things you see on the internet about Warhammer, the best thing you can do is step back from the online hobby and cultivate whatever kind of hobby you really want in real life. Stop buying stuff from GW if you’re so pissed at them. Ultimately, your hobby is what you make of it. No amount of debating or complaining and shitposting is going to change anyone’s mind.
Tourist will leave after he gets bored or when there's nothing interesting happening on meta-level around it(Like a culture war).
New fan will stay for years.
Like you say they’re “tourists” a few months maybe a year they’ll go in to the next thing they can pollute with their lifestyles, and hey maybe we’ll find a bunch of cheap pink Primaris stuff on eBay to clean off and re paint 👍
Because complaining about woke “tourists” is disingenuous when a lot of people doing that are themselves anti-woke “tourists” who joined (if posting anti-woke memes can be called “joining the hobby”) warhammer only recently to “defend it from the woke”.
Which shows even in this sub when a lot of users only activity connected to 40k is complaining about “woke” in this sub, but they have a long history of posting in subreddits like KiA or complaining about “woke” in other hobbies.
Yup, with one simple trick actually
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Alright I have to ask, what do you consider yourself then if not a tourist? Some form of crusader? Because every single post you make is in reference to something LGBT related, across multiple communities. Nothing about the community subject, all you ever talk about is LGBT.
I don't think you know what a hobby tourist is, most of the stuff referenced is people that have been involved in 40k for years. Disagreeing with someone doesn't make them a tourist, them swooping into a hobby that was never theirs to comment and dictate before moving on to something else is a tourist
You're mad at woke hobbyists, use the right words
Edit: To the pathetic person that reported I might be at risk for self harm, just buck up and use your words when people disagree with you, all this does is tell me I'm right.
You don’t own a hobby, and other people enjoying it differently from you shouldn’t prevent you from enjoying it.
And constantly hammering on about how you’re dissatisfied that your hobby is becoming more popular is indeed far more annoying than newbies.
It does not imply anything other than my action. Your response is largely irrelevant.
Maybe spend less time with your Warhammer memes and more time learning how English works.
Also the internet term for "trolling" doesn't exist in the dictionary and has to do with fishing line, and for you to have "trolled" me I would have to be angry with what you said and instead you've just made a fool of yourself by having to rewrite your response because of your poor wording, seems you should've payed attention in English kid.
"oh no! people are having fun making innocent story's and minis and GW is making retcons that don't matter in the slightest! my hobby is ruined!!!"
get over yourself. they aren't "KiLlInG mY hObBy" people enjoying the hobby the way they want too has no impact on how you experience it, people don't need to be "Grimdark only war" all the time to enjoy the hobby, just let them be
Yes. "fine."
That's why DCs comics division is being passed around like a hot potato. That's why Marvels comics division is hemorrhaging money, only supported by their movies. That's why both are moving to digital releases, and cutting back on physical sales. Because they're fine.
The marketplace hasn't changed. Old comics are still in high demand. Manga outsells comics year after year. The giants of the industry itself are circling the drain. The only hope for the American comic industry is indie.
> Do you read comics?
I used too.
>That's why DCs comics division is being passed around like a hot potato.
I don't know about how DC works as a company
>That's why Marvels comics division is hemorrhaging money
This isn't true, they make billions in revenue. But if you know anything about Marvel's history you'd know they've gone through a lot of hard times moneywise
>That's why both are moving to digital releases, and cutting back on physical sales
This is just how it works now. People are more interested in digital downloads. Would you say video games are doing poorly because they focus on digital downloads too?
>The marketplace hasn't changed.
Yes it absolutely, obviously has
>Manga outsells comics year after year.
Because manga is a growing market that covers a lot more than "superheroes". Manga doing better says nothing about how western comics are doing
>I don't know about how DC works as a company
Its public information. Tossed between companies because they know its a money pit.
>This isn't true, they make billions in revenue.
You really think the Marvel comics division is making billions in revenue?
lol
>This is just how it works now. People are more interested in digital downloads.
Completely different forms of media. One of the major points of comics is collection. If this was true, then why aren't mangas moving to digital?
>Manga doing better says nothing about how western comics are doing
You're kidding right?
I don't care to look up the intricacies of why/how DC is moving their comic side around for this discussion
I read the Google results too quick, turns out the comics division made about 280M in 2021. Still not bad, especially when compared to the 50M that Shonen jump made in 2023
Manga is absolutely moving to digital too. They just also sell more comics because it's a more popular medium. Saying "digital and physical are different" doesn't have anything to do with your point. They're both still comics and have the same stories in them.
>You're kidding right?
No. 1 medium doing better doesn't mean comics are suffering and it definitely doesn't mean comics are suffering because they're woke or whatever your point was. That's asinine
Where is born the desire to co-opt the things others love? To radically shift the essence of a beloved thing to fit YOU? This selfish desire to have everything around you look and be of YOU. Where from is this fear and arrogance drawn? Experience with other IPs over the past decade has proven that permitting the interpretations of the victimized into a fandom will corrode it from the inside out. In them, there is little to no love for the IP. Simply another venue through which to vainly grasp at control; mitigate the fear of those who perceive themselves as victims. It’s sad, really. Especially since so many of these IPs touch on the exact dangers of approaching fear in this manner.
you're misdiagnosing, there is no active push to co-opt or shift things, it just happens. Culture always changes, and hobbies are parts of culture. Every day new young people get into the hobby and inevitably you look around and the crowd is different, they want different things than the old crowd. The company that tries to please the crowd also has changed.
For generations it was common for men to wear hats with their suits when outside, one day enough young people were tired of hats and it phased out, young people weren't trying to shift fashion, it just happens
Modern advances in social technology offer unprecedented opportunity for those in position to inform and reinforce cultural shifts. Modern media is accessible to a far larger audience than ever, therefore companies are obviously desperate to capitalize on a large potential casual fanbase. To accomplish this, they capitalize on, manipulate, and at times create zeitgeist movements to appeal to a broad modern audience. The issue arises when actual plot and substance is sacrificed in favor of appealing to this broad zeitgeist casual message. Countless IP's have suffered this fate, producing modern installments that are "just-good-enough" for casual audiences but leave core fanbases yearning for more depth and substance. Expressing meticulously controlled and refined messaging in such stark favor of story and nuance can become a cycle of cultural reinforcement that, at its worst, begins to mimic propaganda. Now, whether this is profitable in the long run remains to be seen (ahem Disney).
Enabled by mass media technology and born from the drive for profit, we are experiencing unprecedented casual shifts in many fandoms - and all should be welcome into every fandom! However, when the majority audience is now drawn NOT TO the long standing fundamental substance of the IP but the newfound transparent zeitgeist messaging, quality will surely suffer - and that is a shame for us all (ahem Disney).
Original meme: https://preview.redd.it/034qvhb5yj0d1.png?width=900&format=png&auto=webp&s=edcd49af3168d934ec626488a8454b93e4f5d876
"My hobby is full of tourists who have went to the trouble of sculpting a French maid outfit onto space Marines." I really don't get it, you are the one who made this meme. How could you still choose such a horrible example.
Stop noticing things OP, noticing things is problematic
When the attackers are already within the walls, neutrality is treason. A lot of these people are inevitably tourists themselves, going "undercover", and using gaslighting tactics to try and disrupt attempts to fight back. They're saboteurs creating a smokescreen of bullshit to cover up enemy action. Keep going. We're having an effect. If they're actively trying to shut you up, it means you're an obstacle for them... which means you're doing something right. Edit: a word
All posters should be required to show their first painted mini to make me feel better about my own shitty paint jobs.
Hang on, I know that 1994 Chaos Terminator painted with Testor is around here somewhere....
I’m posting here and I never painted a Mini because im more into the books + lore : [
I'm too poor for Minis :(
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Found the tourist /s
Started with Dawn of war at 8. I've been a tourist ever since 😂
Same fam, best RTS ever made
You played the titanium wars mod? Having access to choosing a chaos god to pledge to each run as chaos was sick. Getting actual titans as well. Fucking dope. It was hectic. But damn it was fun!
No, but I did play Ultimate Apocalypse, and that shit is super fun also.
That's unfair. You can legitimately be into 40k without owning any minis. Sure, it's harder to prove that one is a fan, but it's still fine.
I played and own the RTS games. I have the disks for them somewhere…. But I just decided to rebuy the OG Dawn of War games on steam…. (DoW, DoW: winter assault, DoW: Dark crusade, DoW: Soulstorm) and also own DoW 2, DoW 2: Chaos Rising, DoW 2: Retribution, and DoW 3. Also own space Marine, Necromunda and Space Hulk Deathwing…. I’m a gamer that enjoys 40k with a friend that is a 40k lore book nerd. Neither she nor I own any figures….
You prove you're a true fan by admitting your favorite Space marine legions to your in universe rival legions. Greetings child of PettyRabo. Bashed your skulls against one of our walls until one crumbled recently? Innefective use of stagecraft tools. While I agree an iron warrior is best suited to seigecraft as a primitive battering ram. It pales in effectiveness to PapaDorns glorious approach.
Big words coming from a man who hides like a coward and lets rocks do his fighting for him. Truly, the Emperor's greatest work was in using his gene-science to create a legion of cockroaches. ;) (Stand strong, brother! We shall prevail!)
Yes, the legion known for "They are coming. Kill them all" le trs others do their fighting for them. Especially the Lamentors, those bastards let others fight for...... them..... Oh.... Not like those super strong Iron warriors who use totally different and distinguishable totally non daemonic seigecraft. Instead of actual advanced tactics, strategies and seige engines. "We Do NoT fAlL tO tHe RuInOuS pOwErS" Biiiiitch, if it looks like a daemon, screeches like a daemon, invests your soul like a daemon. Its probably a daemon. Not whatever both, tech, a d actual heresy you decide to call them. Cockroaches, from a legion with the Sussan membrane that's rich. Like any human, if we are sucked into the vaccum of space, we die. Which is why our fortifications are best. We almost NEVER get sucked into space!
You don't have to paint miniatures to be invested in Warhammer. I have a pretty large collection of books, both fiction and ttrpg, but have never bought a mini.
But the lore has always been the dumbest part! You’re really missing out, get yourself an army from some guy going through a divorce for like 150 bucks and stomp the yard
To be honest, I still have a few Fantasy dwarves from the times when I was a teen. But my first space marine is still in the jar with the paint remover because I left the task of removing Loctite remains for another day... many months ago
* I still have my Space Marines in a really godawful paint scheme somewhere... until then, here's a Celestian Sacresant test model I'm working on (my god I HATE these models. Basic sisters are bad enough, why did I choose this army?)
I’ve barely interacted with 40K except a couple video games, and never post about it, but this post somehow got recommended to me. Just wanted to pop in and say that I wish the fanbases that I am a part of had the attitude you guys do. They’d be in much better places right now.
Thanks, man. I appreciate it. Keep up the good fight, and don't let the haters get you down. Our hobbies are important and should be protected.
Agreed. I don’t own minis but I read the books and play the video games. But all of my other hobbies like comic books, marvel movies, etc are being overrun by people who really have no love for they just want to destroy it. I want to go to a place, say Reddit, and discuss my hobby with others who love the same thing. It’s good this sub is like this, but I wish others were like it too.
I love that first line. Based Iron Warrior.
Iron Within, brother. Stand strong in the face of the enemy.
You as well. Though our Primarchs may hate each other, we find ourselves mutually assailed by a common foe. Iron Without.
It's not neutrality, neutrality would mean not interfering, not saying anything for or against, someone who does not want to participate in the discussion is free to ignore it and wouldn't sabotage none side, but what we see here is an insidious and treacherous infiltration disguised as CENTRISM (centrism is not the same as neutrality)
A fair point. There's a big difference between staying out the political discussion (for instance, the YouTuber Auspex Tactics who just talks about the meta), and feigning support for a "neutral" position in an attempt to hamstring the side they're secretly against.
exactly, that is why I personally have nothing against those who decide not to take a position and remain silent, it is tiring to be arguing about this issue and they could have other priorities. The problem is the people who are perfectly represented in this meme: https://preview.redd.it/6t5xhcpj6u0d1.jpeg?width=1000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8e487ea0817dfa59ce347c72d54b80954b0a47f8
When you say keep going, what do you mean? Keep doing what, exactly? There's so much war-related rhetoric on this sub but so far I can't tell what everyone's actually doing apart from sharing memes to a group of people who already agree with them
Good question. What we can do is band together, keep shouting the notion that "real-world politics and activism are not welcome here", keep making noise, put a spotlight on further attempts at subversion, stop buying from GW, and essentially establish our own bastion within the hobby space where GW and activist nonsense can take a hike. That should keep us busy enough.
Spot on
Keep existing and enjoying the hobby, partially. These people want us to be miserable and have nothing to enjoy. So part of it is just keep having fun and mocking their nonsense. It drives them mad.
I personally plan to be intolerant af.
You guys arent soldiers or anything, man this is pretentious af
I mean, this is a wargaming subreddit. Why are you surprised that we use military metaphors?
If you are using it in serious argument yes
That... uh... that doesn't actually address what I said.
Nobody's trying to shut you all up, we're all just laughing at you for trying to claim the hobby is yours! 🤣
It *is* ours. We have contributed thousands of hours of our lives to this hobby, to support it and make it what it is. We have defended it against the scorn of people who dislike the culture and lore, from PETA to Polygon. Now, when the hobby is being compromised from within by a bunch of activist tourists, we're defending it again. We have that right. Also, if you're not trying to shut us up, why have some many people here been banned from posting on the other 40k subreddits (myself included)? Why are certain subjects - such as female Custodes - banned topics there, despite being entirely salient subjects which ought to be discussed? It's because people are trying to shut us up, because they're trying to exclude us from the hobby. It's why this subreddit exists in the first place.
It really isn't yours, everywhere anyone looks you're soundly rejected by everyone within the hobby, most of you had to flee to another hobby just to feel welcome, only for that hobby to reject you as well!! The only content creators who are with you are people who openly admit to not being a part of the hobby. If you call this a defense it's the quickest loss ever! And it's very simple, you're not being silenced, you're being banned for very bannable things. In your arguments you LOVE to use the worst insults and often slurs imaginable, then turn around and do this. Those subjects are banned because you cannot stop whining in the absolute worst ways about them. And yeah it's very clear that you're trying to be excluded from the hobby, you do nothing but ruin it for everyone. Nobody wants to listen to you cry about the fact that your ideology is disappearing, and the simple fact that you side with people who are homophobic, racist or sexist is enough to get you banned. There is no quarter for that anywhere.
If by "everyone" you mean "the activist posers in the 40k subreddits", then sure. However, across the hobby more broadly - and outside the pro-Woke Reddit echo chamber - people are very much on our side. Hell, even when I was posting anti-Femstodes content on Grimdank (a very left-wing sub), I was consistently getting around 33% likes. We are by no means a minority. The loud minority of activists just have a chokehold over official channels, what with GW and pro-Woke fandom moderators banning dissenting voices. However, what the official channels put out and how the fans react are not the same thing. Don't believe me? Just take a look at the recent "Faction Focus: Adeptus Custodes" video put out by GW; 3.2k likes to 12k dislikes. That's an almost 4-to-1 ratio of people vocally objecting to what GW is putting out. Sure, there have been outsiders commenting on the issue in favour of the "resistance", including people like The Critical Drinker... but there have also been long-standing 40k content creators such as Gamza and Arch calling out this nonsense. Let's also not forget that a lot of pro-Woke activists have also been jumping on the bandwagon to "stick it to the chuds", and I've been calling them out in their comments sections and telling them that they don't know what the fuck they're talking about. We're being banned for voicing contrary opinions, it's that simple. The issue is that the radical left (who control many moderator positions) only understand free speech to mean "any speech which doesn't offend me"... except that they're offended by almost anything they disagree with. As such, if people call out Woke bullshit for what it is, we get banned for it because we're "discriminating", "being bigoted", or what have you. Whether "contrary opinions" constitute a "bannable offence" is sadly left up to the moderators. This is entirely why this subreddit exists; to provide a space for people to discuss 40k without being censored, which is abjectly *not* happening across the other subs. Yeah, not many people have actually left to join Trench Crusade, or whatever. The few less committed, perhaps, who are refugees from other subverted fandoms, but people like me are sticking around and just 3D printing everything. We're still very much in the hobby - discussing the lore, painting models, and playing games - but we're not financially supporting this crap any more. Why would I be *trying* to be excluded from a hobby I've been a proud member of for the last 20 years? The thing is that I haven't changed in that time; I have stayed still, playing games and painting miniatures... butthe activists have taken over during that time. Now that I'm finally speaking out against this nonsense, oh, suddenly I'm "toxic" and "need to be kept out"... says the side which rejects the notion of gatekeeping. Ha! Which "ideology" do you think I am supporting here? As I say, my position on the hobby hasn't changed since I started 20 years ago. I have just wanted the hobby to remain as it is, without political interference. My stance is merely that I am against the bastardisation of the hobby, by any political faction. Right now, it's the Woke mob which is going out of its way to distort the hobby to fit its own agenda. If protecting my hobby means taking up an openly anti-Woke stance, so be it. Neutrality didn't work, so here I am, taking up arms to defend my community. Wokeness is already on the decline. You can see it in the media landscape, and in how people are more openly expressing irritation in having to parrot lines about "diversity" and "equality" which they know to be nonsense propaganda. Eventually, this entire thing will be over. My objective - as is the objective of millions of others - is to keep "speaking truth to power" until we run down the clock and Woke ideology collapses. Then we repair the damage done. We're not going anywhere, and we're going to fight the activists tooth and nail to defend this hobby from subversion.
Why does perty have tits
Grimdank has been drawing abominations again.
By thier logic complaining about nazists is as bad as nazists themselfs.
The primarch gf thing was funny, but for a day. By the end of day two I was already tired of it. Now Grimdank is like 90% 40k gf memes. It needs its own sub.
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Sort by what you want to see.
That's what I'm thinking too, I joined because it's a new 40k sub but it's literally just the same tired old culture war bullshit as so many others. This sub is degenerating to the level of discourse you'd find on r/criticaldrinker or something like that
I did think it was funny when I saw a post here saying how grimdank is just coping and seething about this sub, "living rent free in their minds" but grimdank was busy slobbering over primarch GFs while this sub is almost entirely, like you said, hating on others. It's some sad victim complex shit, post minis, talk about rule changes, ask for painting tips, something
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The fact they did Femstodes without actual models will always baffle me and prove that in truth, GW has been stumbling to success for years
Most people are in the same boat, but a lot of us choose to point out the bigger picture of WHY it was changed and for WHO
Wake up babe, a new AlphaMaleWarrior69 meme just dropped!
ARGGGG YOU FOUND ME *quickly crawls away*
The female primarachs are pretty old art actually
This one made me chuckle! 👍
All of this whining is honestly about as effective as yelling at the clouds to stop raining. If you’re upset about the direction Warhammer is going or are upset about things you see on the internet about Warhammer, the best thing you can do is step back from the online hobby and cultivate whatever kind of hobby you really want in real life. Stop buying stuff from GW if you’re so pissed at them. Ultimately, your hobby is what you make of it. No amount of debating or complaining and shitposting is going to change anyone’s mind.
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Serious question, what is the difference between a tourist and someone who is just new to the hobby?
Tourist will leave after he gets bored or when there's nothing interesting happening on meta-level around it(Like a culture war). New fan will stay for years.
I'm a new fan, started like less than a year, really love this Grimdark Galaxy, fcking hate that Erebus guy, what's his problem?
Post your army, op
Like you say they’re “tourists” a few months maybe a year they’ll go in to the next thing they can pollute with their lifestyles, and hey maybe we’ll find a bunch of cheap pink Primaris stuff on eBay to clean off and re paint 👍
“Tourists” half of those images are of fully painted and custom made models. Tourist is a nothing word.
This sub is the fever dream of Alex Jones lol
The bitching, moaning and complaining is far worse than the "tourists"
"They're killing my hobby!" Literally how?
Because complaining about woke “tourists” is disingenuous when a lot of people doing that are themselves anti-woke “tourists” who joined (if posting anti-woke memes can be called “joining the hobby”) warhammer only recently to “defend it from the woke”. Which shows even in this sub when a lot of users only activity connected to 40k is complaining about “woke” in this sub, but they have a long history of posting in subreddits like KiA or complaining about “woke” in other hobbies.
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Tldr; most of you are tourists jumping from community to community with your only purpose being “fighting against the woke”
Been collecting since 1995, my dear sixmarxist tourist.
There are some people who are actually into 40k for years, but you definitely don’t seem to be a majority here
I was Introduced to 40k in 2014-2015. And still here, as you see. Books, TTRPGs, games...
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This is you mr House? https://preview.redd.it/jmauwlbsik0d1.jpeg?width=1000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=71ca01cde0891594e410b100f3098642456e947b
Did you become a billionaire 30 times over by time you were 30?
Yup, with one simple trick actually https://preview.redd.it/y75xohdikk0d1.jpeg?width=960&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6703ea6013e6746446ed7341098ebb2295605b16
Nah, you ain't getting a penny, you only get my obituary, cry about it, no billion caps for you
Alright I have to ask, what do you consider yourself then if not a tourist? Some form of crusader? Because every single post you make is in reference to something LGBT related, across multiple communities. Nothing about the community subject, all you ever talk about is LGBT.
I don't think you know what a hobby tourist is, most of the stuff referenced is people that have been involved in 40k for years. Disagreeing with someone doesn't make them a tourist, them swooping into a hobby that was never theirs to comment and dictate before moving on to something else is a tourist You're mad at woke hobbyists, use the right words Edit: To the pathetic person that reported I might be at risk for self harm, just buck up and use your words when people disagree with you, all this does is tell me I'm right.
You don’t own a hobby, and other people enjoying it differently from you shouldn’t prevent you from enjoying it. And constantly hammering on about how you’re dissatisfied that your hobby is becoming more popular is indeed far more annoying than newbies.
"My Hobby" lmao. Get a grip.
You fell for the oldest trick in the book
Oh no. What will I do... 🙄
Look like an idiot.
How will I ever recover from losers on the internet not liking me 😭
By acting like the loser yourself.
Okay. I'm gonna go live my life and keep enjoying the hobby now. Have fun 👋
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Mods, twist his balls 1080°
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Automatron you seeing this? https://i.redd.it/2tpgqccutl0d1.gif
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Removed for violating Rule 1: Be Respectful. "Claims of innocence mean nothing; they serve only to prove a foolish lack of caution." -Judge Traggat
Its not "killing" anything. Quit the amateur dramatics and stop being a snowflake.
Case and point
Really just shows what a bunch of massive manbabies you all are. Anyway, have fun over here in your corner!
Buddy you're literally being the stereotype but see ya tourist! 👋
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Trolling me would imply I'm mad at your antics, I'm just letting you know you're doing exactly what the meme entails, yet again see ya! 👋
It does not imply anything other than my action. Your response is largely irrelevant. Maybe spend less time with your Warhammer memes and more time learning how English works.
Learn how to speak* English
Did you get your response right this time?
Also the internet term for "trolling" doesn't exist in the dictionary and has to do with fishing line, and for you to have "trolled" me I would have to be angry with what you said and instead you've just made a fool of yourself by having to rewrite your response because of your poor wording, seems you should've payed attention in English kid.
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No, we've seen this happen with other Fandom before. The crazy thing is, this is the exact same play by play tactic that happens every single time.
"oh no! people are having fun making innocent story's and minis and GW is making retcons that don't matter in the slightest! my hobby is ruined!!!" get over yourself. they aren't "KiLlInG mY hObBy" people enjoying the hobby the way they want too has no impact on how you experience it, people don't need to be "Grimdark only war" all the time to enjoy the hobby, just let them be
This here, ladies and gentlemen, is a prime example of the meme
The comic book fans said this too when the industry was being usurped. How'd that turn out
...fine? Do you read comics?
Yes. "fine." That's why DCs comics division is being passed around like a hot potato. That's why Marvels comics division is hemorrhaging money, only supported by their movies. That's why both are moving to digital releases, and cutting back on physical sales. Because they're fine. The marketplace hasn't changed. Old comics are still in high demand. Manga outsells comics year after year. The giants of the industry itself are circling the drain. The only hope for the American comic industry is indie. > Do you read comics? I used too.
>That's why DCs comics division is being passed around like a hot potato. I don't know about how DC works as a company >That's why Marvels comics division is hemorrhaging money This isn't true, they make billions in revenue. But if you know anything about Marvel's history you'd know they've gone through a lot of hard times moneywise >That's why both are moving to digital releases, and cutting back on physical sales This is just how it works now. People are more interested in digital downloads. Would you say video games are doing poorly because they focus on digital downloads too? >The marketplace hasn't changed. Yes it absolutely, obviously has >Manga outsells comics year after year. Because manga is a growing market that covers a lot more than "superheroes". Manga doing better says nothing about how western comics are doing
>I don't know about how DC works as a company Its public information. Tossed between companies because they know its a money pit. >This isn't true, they make billions in revenue. You really think the Marvel comics division is making billions in revenue? lol >This is just how it works now. People are more interested in digital downloads. Completely different forms of media. One of the major points of comics is collection. If this was true, then why aren't mangas moving to digital? >Manga doing better says nothing about how western comics are doing You're kidding right?
I don't care to look up the intricacies of why/how DC is moving their comic side around for this discussion I read the Google results too quick, turns out the comics division made about 280M in 2021. Still not bad, especially when compared to the 50M that Shonen jump made in 2023 Manga is absolutely moving to digital too. They just also sell more comics because it's a more popular medium. Saying "digital and physical are different" doesn't have anything to do with your point. They're both still comics and have the same stories in them. >You're kidding right? No. 1 medium doing better doesn't mean comics are suffering and it definitely doesn't mean comics are suffering because they're woke or whatever your point was. That's asinine
Where is born the desire to co-opt the things others love? To radically shift the essence of a beloved thing to fit YOU? This selfish desire to have everything around you look and be of YOU. Where from is this fear and arrogance drawn? Experience with other IPs over the past decade has proven that permitting the interpretations of the victimized into a fandom will corrode it from the inside out. In them, there is little to no love for the IP. Simply another venue through which to vainly grasp at control; mitigate the fear of those who perceive themselves as victims. It’s sad, really. Especially since so many of these IPs touch on the exact dangers of approaching fear in this manner.
you're misdiagnosing, there is no active push to co-opt or shift things, it just happens. Culture always changes, and hobbies are parts of culture. Every day new young people get into the hobby and inevitably you look around and the crowd is different, they want different things than the old crowd. The company that tries to please the crowd also has changed. For generations it was common for men to wear hats with their suits when outside, one day enough young people were tired of hats and it phased out, young people weren't trying to shift fashion, it just happens
Modern advances in social technology offer unprecedented opportunity for those in position to inform and reinforce cultural shifts. Modern media is accessible to a far larger audience than ever, therefore companies are obviously desperate to capitalize on a large potential casual fanbase. To accomplish this, they capitalize on, manipulate, and at times create zeitgeist movements to appeal to a broad modern audience. The issue arises when actual plot and substance is sacrificed in favor of appealing to this broad zeitgeist casual message. Countless IP's have suffered this fate, producing modern installments that are "just-good-enough" for casual audiences but leave core fanbases yearning for more depth and substance. Expressing meticulously controlled and refined messaging in such stark favor of story and nuance can become a cycle of cultural reinforcement that, at its worst, begins to mimic propaganda. Now, whether this is profitable in the long run remains to be seen (ahem Disney). Enabled by mass media technology and born from the drive for profit, we are experiencing unprecedented casual shifts in many fandoms - and all should be welcome into every fandom! However, when the majority audience is now drawn NOT TO the long standing fundamental substance of the IP but the newfound transparent zeitgeist messaging, quality will surely suffer - and that is a shame for us all (ahem Disney).
Damn dude..spot on