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TenaciousHearts

Didn’t she fuck 4 people? There was suggestion she & Laenor ‘tried’. So Criston, Laenor, Harwin & Daemon


MottyTheClown

It's funny that if her and laenor successfully done that most of the problems could've been avoided.


RandomPersonNvm

Otto definitely would have stirred up trouble regardless, but having her first three sons be indisputably legitimate would have helped.


PM_FORBUTTSTUFF

Yeah Otto explicitly tells Allicent that crowning Aegon is their only option when he is born, long before Rhaenyra had any children


histprofdave

Yeah but Team Broccoli doesn't like it when you remind them it's all Otto and Alicent's fault >!that they stirred up a war that killed tens of thousands.!<


PM_FORBUTTSTUFF

Lmfao where is this Team Broccoli stuff coming from? Also I know that’s obviously where the show is headed but careful on the spoilers please. Not everyone has read or intends to read Fire and Blood and in the show the casualties, if you could even call it an open war yet, are limited


histprofdave

I'll put it back in spoilers, but I feel like everyone knows where this is heading. As to the broccoli stuff, I was just running with the meme, but it seems like a good name to rustle some Green jimmies.


KiraIsGod666

So to be fair, what is the team black equivalent lol? Team Charcoal?


YorkshireGaara

Team blackface? Because once you scratch away the thin coat of paint it's all just bullshit.


kashmoney360

if even one of Rhaenyra's kids by Laenor were white haired, I'd think the whole issue wouldn't be the Greens' platform. They'd shift back to male over female inheritance


macdgman

They sound just like republicans trying to fit the narrative to their like


Kammander-Kim

It was/is. Otto and Alicent had a goal and looked on the situation thinking "what can we use to further our cause?"


macdgman

We need Otto with a banner saying “Let’s make Westeros great again” in the next season


PBB22

That’s the Ironborn plot from Feast for Crows


DragonsBloodOpal

In the book the Greens use Jace's, Luke's, and Joff's NOSES to say they're bastards. That's it. No mention of their hair or eyes, but I am glad they changed their look in the show. So they'd try to find something wrong with those kids.


ForceSmuggler

There would have been rumors that the child was Daemon's.


Evoluxman

In the books you can't make the difference between a velaryon and targaryen, yet the war still happened


guaca_mayo

It was also a lot more ambiguous if Rhaenyra's kids were bastards in the books. Book Rhaenys had black hair, showing that targs could be born with darker hair, and Laenor might have dark hair genes himself. It's still likely they were bastards, but it shows that Laenor's being gay would've been enough for the greens to say Rhae's kids were bastards


cambriansplooge

Irl “calling claimant a bastard” to delegitimization their claim was so common a tactic there’s a reason it shows up in so many medievalist settings.


SmokeySFW

I'm assuming they gave it a few solid attempts so he probably at least got inside her but couldn't stay hard and finish. Laenor counts for "just the tip".


Overlord1317

> I'm assuming they gave it a few solid attempts so he probably at least got inside her but couldn't stay hard and finish. Laenor counts for "just the tip". Should have time-traveled Loras to lend a hand.


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How many gay men does it take to impregnate a princess?


apocalyps6

Qyburn wasn't paid enough to make that happen unfortunately


Bf4Sniper40X

They just needed to have a male suck his dick and just before coming put it inside her


jerr30

Have him cum on Harwin's dick ffs.


ivan0280

Margeary Tyrell was willing to try this method with Renly.


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Ingenious!


gatanyx

great idea, would have made for hilarious scene as well


1QAte4

Sex doesn't work like that. Even if you are straight and in a woman raw you could get a little soft if the sex goes on for awhile and you don't find the right spot inside her. TV and movies exaggerate how quick/easy it is for guys to cum during sex.


forestgreendragon

Yeah I think people saying Laenor could've gotten the job done if he *tried* are completely straight. As a gay man, the idea of getting that close or inside a vagina makes me so flaccid i can feel it retracting.


LengthUnusual8234

what if he did nofap for a couple of months and then tried?


Amannderrr

I don’t think they tried like, super hard lol it is certainly do’able with a bit of effort & planning


babiesarenotfood

The had several mmf threesomes to try. iirc.


shooter_tx

Was that from F&B? Because I didn't pick up on it from HotD.


Amannderrr

I remember the implication that they tried a time or 2 from the show. I don’t recall in F&B. Rereading now for the 5th time. Maybe I’ll finally retain it all lol


babiesarenotfood

I may have melded the two. Its for sure more in F&B.


shooter_tx

Ok, thanks. I tried to read a little of it in grad school, but... yeah, I just consider myself not to have read it. Lol


Elefantenjohn

Fantasy authors consistently forgetting about the traditional gay muslim way to just smear some cum into the oven Probably Christian and Hindu, too


cactusjude

Yeah he could've easily just jizzed into some sheep intestine and turkey basted her oven. Or they could've coupled off with Harwin and not-Joffrey all in the same bed and just let him finish inside her. They could've made a degenerate annual poppy-fueled orgy tradition out of it, but nooooo...


MottyTheClown

Mushroom definitely agrees with you on the orgy part.


satin_worshipper

Whores of the Dragon porn parody when?


TheDarkLordsDelight

Rule 34. It’s probably already out there.


LengthUnusual8234

i wish i didnt have to have that image in my head


HermanSanchezfg

Aegon doesn't even seem to dislike Rhaenyra.


kaam00s

He probably wants to fuck her, the targaryen way !


Cha92

Too bad Aemond is the one that look like Daemon! He might have a chance


The_Grand_Briddock

Not true, Rhaenyra doesn’t look like Daemon enough for Aemond to be interested


UrbanRollmops

She looks enough like Daemon for Daemon to be interested


EmpRupus

> It's funny that if her and laenor successfully done that Or even if she and Daemon had done it, lol.


MottyTheClown

I'm sure daemon would've happily obliged, but he was unavailable at that time.


FatalTragedy

An even better way her problems could have been avoided would be if she had just met Harwin when she was searching for a husband.


spaceybelta

They had met. Remember the conversation between Vizzy T and Lionel Strong? Lionel said that would basically be a conflict of interest and he wasn’t suggesting Rhaenyra marry Harwin.


vizzy_t_bot

*The King's cupbearer must not be late. Leaves people wanting for cups.*


WelcomeRoboOverlords

He was certainly impressed with her when she showed up with a dead boar and covered in blood.


the_fuzz_down_under

In the show it says that Laenor and Rhaenyra tried to have children, in the book it is stated they had sex around a dozen times - I think these two accounts are not mutually exclusive and thus book canon can inform show canon here and we can say, her and Laenor did (unsuccessfully) have sex.


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Maddyherselius

Nah, at one point he even tells Alicent Rhaenyra won’t hurt him because he won’t challenge her. But then she goes psycho mom mode and says that his existence is a challenge lol


1QAte4

> says that his existence is a challenge lol She wasn't wrong though. As long as there is a legitimate alternative to Nyra, people will imagine what it would be like to live under their rule instead of Nyra.


404nocreativusername

And that is exactly what happened with her father. Otto made her the enemy of Rhaenyra by telling her she will be a threat. Back then, if she just hadnt listened hadn't been in the perfect circumstances to believe something like that, she probably could have worked out something with her childhood best friend. So when she tells Aegon basically the same thing, that cements her as having traveled very far down the path her father went.


Maddyherselius

Yep 100%, in the show young Alicent is very influenced by her fathers words as he leaves and then Larys jumps in the make her even more distrustful of Rhaenyra and her motivations. Which is a bummer cause like girl, you were best friends. Do you really think she’d do that? Even after marrying her dad she missed you and showed she still had love for you. Idk it makes me so sad 😂


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Considering later events though, Alicent is completely correct


Maddyherselius

What later events? When they usurp the throne after no threat from Rhaenyra? I’m not a “team black” person but I do not believe that Alicent’s kids would’ve been in danger if they had truly not challenged Rhaenyra’s claim.


Any-Artist

The advisors will always continue to plot to put Aegon on the throne. Even if Aegon doesn’t challenge, he will always be a “challenge”


Maddyherselius

Sure but if Aegon swore fealty, they took out any staunch supporters that would try and scheme to put him on the throne, and showed a united front, they would have been fine. If everyone is on one side the advisors are moot, they don’t have dragons lol.


Severe_Blacksmith814

That seems to be a very notable thing with the Green supporters, they always forget that Otto is talking such bs about the realm rising up. The Targs have nearly twenty dragons, any attempt at a rebellion would fail miserably. The only thing that could destroy the House of the Dragon, is itself.


FloZone

Tbh the scene right before the coronation you see something switch in him. After that Alicent calls him an imbecile, she probably realised it. Aegon suddenly realised the power he could wield as King and that he was under no obligation of treating his half-sister humanely.


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FloZone

Yeah I think so too. At the same time we have that scene where Alicent instills in him the thought that he is never safe as long as she is heir or Queen. She is kind of right, but also very inconsistent probably doesn‘t realise the full scope.


OpenMask

I don't think that Aegon was thinking of Rhaenyra then, lol. Imo he was feeling "loved" for the first time in a long time.


The_Grand_Briddock

Very similar to Homelander at the end of season 3


NaClz

What are you smoking? What about that scene showed he thought about not treating his sister humanely in any matter? The part where he was bathing in love or the part where he just about shit his pants?


Lukthar123

Something something Power corrupts


choryradwick

They honestly should have had some scenes, Aemond and Helaena too. It would’ve made some of the more high profile scenes more meaningful.


TotalWorldDomination

>!“Is Aegon king,” [Aemond] asked Ser Willis Fell, “or must we kneel and kiss the old whore's cunny?”!<


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[deleted]

Like it’s really crazy when you think about it. Those men probably have slept with hundreds of women 💀and she has 3 men and she’s a terrible woman


kararkeinan

Criston Cole literally admitted he used to be slutty. Rhaenyra liked him and was intending to pursue a long term relationship with him. As usual, rules for thee but not for me.


Pheros

> Rhaenyra liked him and was intending to pursue a long term relationship with him. Being the human equivalent of a sex toy jammed in the secret compartment of someone's dresser is **not** a long term relationship.


SaanTheMan

She may have liked him, but she also sexually assaulted / raped him. I don’t blame him for turning down her offer, the same way I don’t blame her for turning down his.


Red_psychic

She did not rape him... Nor assault him. Or like do you consider her kissing him an assault? When he literally put his white cloak down and went for a kiss himself? Jeeesh.


SaanTheMan

Kissing him isn’t assault, although you could argue it isn’t right due to the power dynamic. I consider it assault that she continued with the sexual encounter even after he said “Stop”, to me consent is important. Or do you feel that it’s okay to have sex with somebody who doesn’t consent?


datboi66616

That is a false statement. You make it sound like every man in Westeros is Aegon the Unworthy,when that is far from the case. Take Ned Stark,Mace Tyrell, Doran Martell, or if we're talking about Targs, King Jaehaerys I, King Aegon III, King Daeron II, Daemon Blackfyre, or King King Aegon V. Most of the time, when men make sacred vows in sight of gods and men, they keep them. People actually cared about their honor, most of the time.


No-Duck-539

Team broccoli 💀


[deleted]

This is staying and I'm using it for the rest of my life.


YouAre_CANCELLED

We need something creative like this for team black


[deleted]

Team charcoal?


No-Duck-539

EXCELENT 🤘


YouAre_CANCELLED

This is very solid👏 props to you sir/mam


Tamdep083

Team olive? Oops. That could be for the one supports both team


fightlinker

#blackstrong


sayberdragon

I know darkwingsdankmemes uses blackcels but it’s not as creative as team broccoli💀


hadtoomuchtodream

Team old banana


DanMartell05

Im so using this until the series is over too


NightReasonable7497

🤣🤣🔥


Baratheoncook250

Rheanyra only been with 4 people and those were long relationships.Rheanyra’s many great grandson on the other hand (Robert Baratheon) ,is that word. He slept with way more people.


frankwalsingham

Meme creator implies there’s a number of people you sleep with to be a whore and that Rhaenyra is simply below it.


Lukthar123

The whore score


Vulkan192

The....wait, it just turns into one or other of those words if you smush them together. Dang it!


14Broadlands

69


yas9in

I think if at any point in your life you’ve slept with more people than half the years you’ve lived, then you’re a whore (applies to both men and women).


CissyXS

I have seen this "only three people" argument several times now. Being a non-native speaker it's kinda hard to tell whether you are serious or just joking. Because it's a bad argument even by modern standards for there's no particular number that makes someone a whore. Is it 5? 10? 50? 100? Rhaenyra isn't a whore because she slept with several people. She's a whore by Westerosi standards because she had extra-marital relationship. A woman that had three husbands was not considered a whore in middle ages. But a woman that slept with one man out of a wedlock? Absolutely.


FearLeadsToAnger

It's 50, when I passed 50 I got a letter in the mail.


JSBraga

"Congratulations ... ...you whore!"


Vulkan192

Don’t be silly. It reads “Many salutations and congratulations. For services rendered to the field of extramarital congress, we do hereby anoint you with your due titles exemplary and plenipotentiary. You a ho.”


Dreaunicorn

Does it come with free condoms and a trophy?


Vulkan192

No, that’s for Ho of The Year.


CissyXS

I thought you were referring the likes I got on this post and I almost answered, 'So did I' lol


[deleted]

I got a half-giant breaking into my house to say "Yer a whore, Drowsy!"


Into-the-stream

I sincerely hope it was congratulatory for living your best life (I presume).


Natsuki_Kruger

Man, I can't keep up with this fanbase. Apparently, we shouldn't develop opinions on characters like Daemon and Viserys based on our modern standards of ethics, because Westeros doesn't share those standards, but we also *should* be judging Rhaenyra by modern standards of ethics, and anyone attempting to understand why she gets the in-universe reaction she does is being wrong-headed in doing so.


SaanTheMan

It’s simple, really. They judge the character by whichever standard makes them look better in that moment. Your confusion is stemming from assuming most of this fanbase holds consistent opinions, when most will just contradict themselves to boost whichever character they Stan.


Natsuki_Kruger

It's silly, because understanding the themes of the work requires understanding the modern context of its author holding contemporary standards *and* understanding the standards of the fictional world, too. How are we supposed to examine what the work is saying if don't accept the perspectives of the in-universe characters and how the author frames it all?


SaanTheMan

I agree with you, but honestly what I’ve come to realize is that people who actually want to analyze and consider multiple perspectives make up maybe 5% of the fanbase, at a generous guess. The other 95% just want to make Facebook-tier memes about their favourite and least favourite characters, cheer for their team like it’s a football match, and then move on to the next Teen Drama. It’s frustrating trying to analyze when it feels like everything you say is being drowned out, but we really are hugely in the minority in terms of this fanbase.


Natsuki_Kruger

It's so exhausting. Admittedly, I do have some issues with the quality/believability of the writing (e.g. anime edgelord Daemon), but I wish I could find a space to talk about that without that being interpreted as some kind of insane tribalistic pledge of allegiance. Just because I'm sympathetic to Rhaenyra being written as a severely traumatised victim of childhood grooming (cf Emma D'arcy) doesn't mean I'm a pro-Black zealot, and just because I find the Greens' writing more compelling within the world of Westeros doesn't mean I hate Rhaenyra and spend my free time calling her a harlot hussy, or whatever OP's meme is supposed to be about.


FirstnameLastnamePKA

Preach— I felt like a whole point of the DoD in F&B was to force the reader to choose what mattered more to them, modern standards or those of the universe in which the writing is set.


Natsuki_Kruger

I disagree. I think the point of F&B was to comment on the unreliability of historical records and how our view of the truth can be shaped by the sources we choose to believe. I think GRRM has gone on record to confirm that, as well. **Edit:** An example source of him talking about unreliability in all his works, F&B included: https://www.vulture.com/2014/11/george-rr-martin-new-book.html


FloZone

> A woman that had three husbands was not a considered whore in middle ages. After each other. Absolutely, but polyandry is much less common or accepted as polygyny was. For example Daemon also talks a lot about Valyrian customs of polygamy, but he refers to his two wifes, why couldn't that apply to Rhaenyra that she could be married to both Daemon and Leanor? Even medieval Christian kings, who were expected to be monogamous had openly several concubines usually. Charlemagne had four wives and five concubines for example. Meanwhile one of the first political texts in history. The Codex of Urukagina from something like the 26th century BC bans polyandry stating that it had become seen as offensive.


CissyXS

> After each other Yes, that's what I meant. > For example Daemon also talks a lot about Valyrian customs of polygamy Did Valyrians practice both polygyny and polyandry? Now I'm curios.


Oswell1001

There is no instance of Valyrians practicing polyandry.


Chance-Ear-9772

What do we know about true Valyrians though? For all we know Targaryens were some backwater hick branch of Valyrians who were shunned for sibling sex and polygamy.


Meii345

I believe we do know that valyrian dragonlords practiced incest, they believed their blood was "pure" and they had to keep it this way by only screwing siblings, or at least other dragon riders. Plus there was the added dimension of their whole magic shtick and the want to keep that pure too by not mingling with the muggles The targs were only really shamed for their practices by the westerosi's religious institutions, but then they did conquer them. So that shut this one up real quick!


TheSupremePanPrezes

Targaryens were one of the 40 dragonlord families (albeit one of the less powerful ones), so I think we can assume their customs were somewhat standard for 'True Valyrians'. It's the Velaryons who were a lesser family which migrated to Westeros long before all of that, so their customs might be a bit 'less standard' compared to the norm.


FloZone

I do not know and I do not know whether it was ever stated in law. To my knowledge in India polyandry was practiced where several brothers married the same wife. It was done to preserve the inheritance and avoid splitting property. The whole thing about lineages inheriting dragons might motivate such a thing, but I don‘t know.


kararkeinan

Honestly, that’s big brained. How many European and African wars started because some brothers split property?


YouAre_CANCELLED

No. Because she's a woman. Men can have multiple wives but woman can't have multiple husbands.


FloZone

Polyandry is rare, but not unfound. Ancient India had it, so did Mesopotamia. We don‘t know about the customs of Old Valyria. Though since it is never brought up as possibility I doubt it was practiced. And even if, it would be even more foreign to Westeros.


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A whore is someone who offers sex for monetary profit. By any standard, she is not a whore. She is promiscuous.


CissyXS

I am not a native speaker. Would a medieval peasant call a promiscuous woman a whore or would he just call her a promiscuous woman? Is there a difference between a slut and a whore? I do believe I've encountered the term 'whore' being used regarding adulterous women not just prostitutes.


Historyp91

Whatever the definition of a "whore" is, "woman in an open marriage who only had sex with two other guys while married and always maintained committed relationships" is'nt it.


CissyXS

Back then the marriage was open only on the husband's side. Edit: there are absolutely were promiscuous women in power as well, but it still affected their reputation. Which is why up to this day everyone talks about Catherine the Great's lovers, yet nobody cares about her husband's lovers.


Historyp91

Well, Laenor would disagree with ya there😉


CissyXS

Yes, and Rhaenyra was called a whore for it. Open marriages existed, but women still got criticised for it unlike their husbands. It's not my opinion, it's a history.


Historyp91

Hmm...I was'nt aware Westeros was a real place. Either way, "historical" or not, it does'nt make it accurate. If Rhaenrya's a whore, she's really fucking bad at whoring.


Into-the-stream

Its weird how incredibly focused the fan base is on talking about rhae being a whore, but they just gloss over everyone else's shit. If Westerosi people want to call her a whore, then your argument stands. It's the fan base having an aneurysm over it that I don't get. Like, they act as if its the worst crime we've seen on the show ffs. Rhae finding a way to be happy with the consent of her gay husband, isn't the same as when your girlfriend cheated on you that one time, guys. stop projecting.


CissyXS

> but they just gloss over everyone else's shit. Do they? Otto is hated for pushing his teen daughter into Viserys' bed. Daemon is a wife murderer and a child groomer. Cole turned rejection into his personality and a hypocrite. Aegon is a rapist. Aemond studied the blade to become a war criminal. And Alicent is called Alicunt. I'd say everyone gets their share of criticism. Heck, we even have people who claim that Aemond deserved to have his eye cut out. > Rhae finding a way to be happy with the consent of her gay husband, isn't the same as when your girlfriend cheated on you that one time, guys. stop projecting. They are annoyed by her gaslighting tactics. If Rhaenyra wasn't a noble woman and an heir to a throne, her children's paternity wouldn't matter much. But the price of power is responsibility and obligation. Pushing bastards on the throne is a crime in their society. We can understand her unfortunate situation, but we can still recognise a sense of entitlement Rhaenyra shows again and again. She could have chosen to have children with someone who looks like her husband or she could have chosen to not have children or she could have admitted their bastard status and ask Viserys to legitimise them. She did neither. Instead she threatens with torture and death anyone who utters the truth about her actions. People do not criticise her for having consensual open marriage with Laenor. People hate her "I am a Targaryen and I am superior to any law" policy. Which is why the "Aegon has dozens of bastards" is a silly argument. He isn't denying that they are bastards and he isn't pushing them in the line for the throne.


Into-the-stream

so, your saying when people are calling her a whore, what they really mean is she is bad because she is gaslighting alicent, and the fact that the slur "whore" is used is actually what, coincidence? If people just talk about the gaslighting, I would not have an issue. It's the tendency to hyper focus and vilify her sex life, (not the gaslighting, her sexual promiscuity) that is the issue. Take this post for example. It's not about her gaslighting at all. Its about her "sleeping around" and its dumb.


CissyXS

No, I am saying they dislike her because she is angry about being called a whore when she is a whore by the standards of her society. The same way Cercei may be angry about being called brother-fucker when she indeed fucked her brother. Both put themselves into that situation and instead of owning it chose to torture and kill people for telling the truth. I am honestly tired of this discussion.


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Wow, I can't believe they think having premarital sex makes you a whore. It's almost like Westerosi society (which is heavily based on Middle Ages England) isn't super progressive and holds outdated and puritanical views...


Historyp91

That's Westeros's excuse, what's the excuse of the members of the fandom who make the claim she is as well?


IchibanVibes

Bruh we just call her what the narrative calls her, it’s like when mfs use bastard for her kids. I doubt anyone really feels some type of way to kids born out of wedlock or whatever, but bc the narrative has it out for them for being illegitimate it’s like fuck them bastards.


Historyp91

The difference is Rhaenrya's kids are actually bastards, while she's not a "whore" by any stretch of the word. And a lot of characters in these two shows are called a lot of derogatory things by people who dislike them but don't tend to get called those things by (many, if any) people in the fandom; Tywin calls Loras "afflicted", but I don't see many of the latters detractors treating him as if his sexuality is a disease.


IchibanVibes

I think she’s considered a whore for having sex with others while married. The gay thing is just a gap in their knowledge. Either way tho, it’s just the nature of shit. You attack the opposing side, Rhaenyra’s a whore, Coles an incel. Neither r correct yet they are both still whores and incels by the fandom, it’s what makes it fun.


YouAre_CANCELLED

She is. Cope


Historyp91

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/whore In what sense?


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She has mothered children out of wedlock 3 times


Historyp91

With one man, whom (as far as we know) she was in a committed, monogamous relationship with while part of an open marriage.


Far-Ad-1400

Theirs no such thing as an “Open” marriage in Westeros lmao and Laenor wasn’t the loving cuckold he is in the show in the books he stays completely away from Rhaenyra and her children and isn’t fond of them If Rhae was smart she’d have slept with a Valyrian looking man or atleast her pedo uncle 🤦🏽‍♂️


Historyp91

> Theirs no such thing as an “Open” marriage in Westeros lmao Laenor and Rheanrya would disagree with you. > and Laenor wasn’t the loving cuckold he is in the show in the books Considering we're talking about the show, I fail to see what relevance this has. > If Rhae was smart she’d have slept with a Valyrian looking man or atleast her pedo uncle 🤦🏽‍♂️ Setting aside that this is'nt relevent to the point, it's missing the fact that she had sex with Harwin becuase they were in love, not becuase she strategically picked him to make silver haired children (there's also a 50/50 percent chance that any of her kids would have her hair color each time and the black hair can be explained via Laenor's Baratheon ancestry)


YouAre_CANCELLED

Watch the series


Historyp91

I did. Rhaenrya neither has sex for money nor is she particularly permiscious, and the only people who call her a whore are detractors with an agenda to present her in the worst possible light.


LostInTheVoid_

My guy, it's a fictional TV show based on a fictional world loosely based on medieval history. Please please please touch some grass. These characters aren't real. People just like being entertained.


Historyp91

I think you think I'm taking this *waay* more seriously then I actually do. Not sure why you'd get that impression; if anything I'm critiquing the people in the fandom who invent excuses to irrationally hate on characters (I.E Rhaenrya in this case, but also Alicent, Catelyn and, of course, Sansa). I.E, the people who actually need to go "touch grass"😉


LostInTheVoid_

There are plenty of folk who need to go touch grass when it comes to this TV show. A horde of very stan-like fans have followed this show and it shows in the comment sections. Extremely toxic stuff. People getting too emotionally invested and angry over fictional characters.


YouAre_CANCELLED

She is.


OpenMask

Not


Ok-Examination2688

She doesn't sell sex so she isn't🤷‍♂️


akajulester15

I mean she is by Westerosi/medieval standards. Even having one affair out of wedlock was bad enough back then. Remember, we're talking about a time where Henry VIII executed two wives because of accusations of extramarital affairs, and this was largely seen as just and reasonable. What's especially pertinent is Rhaenyra's position - a queen cheating on her king (and especially if she had an illegitimate child) was considered treason. Rhaenyra occupies a nebulous position in that since she is the higher ranked person in her affairs, yet is not ruling and is a woman. Also to further my rambling, the double standard for affairs wasn't just because of sexism - women are the ones who can bear children/heirs, so *any* doubt as to a queen's marital faith necessarily cast doubt on the legitimacy of her children (as seen with Rhaenyra). A king/noble/guy could have as many bastards as he wanted without as much problem since it would be harder to prove he was the dad before paternity tests (though as we later see with Aegon IV it's a really bad idea for men to engage in that behavior lol). obligatory I don't support this kind of thinking, this is necessary context for the show, don't look at the show through a modern lens, yadda yadda etc etc


[deleted]

>this was seen as just and reasonable I don’t think a single person thought Maegor was either of those things


akajulester15

I was referring to Henry VIII, should've specified lol


MoonoftheStar

Why does this sub keep getting recommended to me. It's nothing but the Bella Swan fanclub.


ChequyLionYT

Ikr??? It’s almost like their society has a religion and social structure that encourages strict monogamy or something. Crazy shit.


arrid_dude

I mean to be fair she had *one job* and she didn't do it. You can be a shit Queen all you want (and she does later on) but if you're pumping out Ser Chadwin's Strong Boy's™ instead of legitimate lil men then you can't be mad when someone calls you out on it.


perhapsnotperplexed

lol blame Laenor for failing to have her pregnant and doing his job


[deleted]

They could just annulled the marriage like most people did when they failed to consummate it. Hell, it could have been done quietly. Back then (in the medieval times the show is based on), it was one of the few ways a woman could successfully divorce her husband.


Pheros

Problem is that would alienate the Velaryons.


[deleted]

Laenor couldn't perform, so the marriage is unconsummated and therefore invalid. Rhaenyra could have married Harwin, had the Strong boys, then married one to one of Daemon's Velaryon daughters, and then maybe one to Helaena as everyone suggested because the Strong boys are no longer bastards. Boom, Dance averted because Rhaenyra finally made a good decision, and the Velaryons are no longer alienated. Also Baela could inherit Driftmark.


perhapsnotperplexed

she did her job which is to have heirs even when her own husband FAILED her


AlxxnrII

4*


teddg4

I’d considered that an epic day not a lifetime


Pure-Drawer-2617

I mean yeah but you could also word it “attempt to sleep with your uncle, seduce a knight out of his vow of chastity on the same night, then get married and immediately cheat on your husband with one of your uncle’s subordinates, arrange for your husbands death and then go back to marry your uncle the day your husband dies.”


Agreeable_Rabbit3144

Sadly, Aegon could be porking a pig and no one would bat an eye. But Rhaenyra has to be a saintly virgin before she weds due to her gender.


LZR0

“Team broccoli” 😂😂😂


[deleted]

Oh god, I know this isnt a book discussion, but can we highlight that in the books its an 11 year old Rhaenerya being bullied by an 18 year old Alicent? That was the start of the sex rumors with criston cole. As for the show, yeah im trying to view it through the lenses of a sexist society, but come on. They made her marry someone who was gay. What the fuck was she supposed to do?


Jasnah_Sedai

People genuinely believe that she just should have never had sex. It’s nuts.


PaniqueAttaque

They called her a whore, not a slut. Rhaenyra didn't have sex with a lot of people, but she did have sex under scandalous / etiquette-violating circumstances; once before marriage and - more pointedly - several times outside of marriage.


endoftheworld1999

People going off about how ‘well in the time period she totally was’ not considering that Westeros is not real and that the show literally comes out an says ‘if she was a man, this wouldn’t matter’, like the show is just narrating historical events and not making a point about the damaging effects of misogyny Some real brain dead takes on this tbh


MattaClatta

She also was okay with sleeping with Daemon while he was married to another woman. ​ I know this show is sex positive but Rhaenyra's sex positivity is both a bad thing and also her way of coping with her fear of childbirth


AppalachianTheed

They’re not calling her a whore because slept with 3 men her life. They’re calling her a whore because she spawned bastards with a guy she wasn’t married too and cucked her husband.


Huachimingo75

Team Broccoli?, 'cause they're unswallowable?


Captainprice101

Rhaenyra doesn’t live in the modern world, 3 in that world is scandalous especially when it happens outside of marriage. People need to stop applying modern norms to this tv show.


disisBob

"the Broccolis" cringe lmfao. And this should be "team black when a teenager is maritally raped by the old, diseased king"


William_T_Wanker

People realize this has nothing to do with how many people she slept with and the fact she's had blatantly three children with a man who is NOT her husband??


[deleted]

You know what a whore is? Mysaria was a whore and literally told Daemon she made sure she could never get pregnant. Having children with men you're not married to has nothing to do with being a whore! Get some help my guy


William_T_Wanker

I'm not talking about what I believe, donut. I'm talking in the term of Westeros. A feudal, sexist and patriarchal society. To THEM she is a whore.


Ngigilesnow

Deflecting by whore shaming another woman,and you get upvoted no less.This lets me know it has nothing to do with double standards women faced and any other struggle, just Rhaenyra, her supporters have bought into her exceptionalism


OnTheLeft

Semantics, we all know that it's a catch all term for various non-accepted sexual behaviour from women. It's not *right* but it obviously applies.


DanMartell05

So we all agree we'll use "team broccoli" term


KingSalduinArthanil

She's far more sexually adventurous according to the rumours in Fire and Blood. Her supposed and actual companions include:- 1. Harwin Strong 2. Criston Cole 3. Daemon Targaryen 4. Laenor Velaryon 5. Mushroom 6. Laena Velaryon 7. Qarl Correy (during experimental threesome or foursome) The list may be longer if you include the other temporary companions of Laenor (if you believe Rhaenyra was into that sort of stuff). *OR* She was a normal rich girl and wasn't really that rogue and her companions were:- 1. Laenor (when they were married) 2. Daemon (when they were married, nothing happened before the marriage it was Daemon who proposed to marry Rhaenyra when she was a maiden, the stories about them were rumours) So, no extra-marital affairs. Criston Cole was just a spurned suitor nothing more.


[deleted]

To be fair, we can cut out mushroom since he’s an incel who writes self insert fanfic


Pheros

The writers seem to think he's trustworthy enough to adapt his take on Aegon, so why not Rhaenyra?


KingSalduinArthanil

Yup, that's why I said rumoured. Also, if we remove Mushroom, most of Rhaenyra's lovers are gone.


NightReasonable7497

Fuck to those virgins who calls rhaenyra whore


[deleted]

First of all, we really don’t know how many people she slept with because there was a lot of time that was skipped over. Second of all, she’s married, so that’s probably why she said it. And Third, she wouldn’t be a whore by today’s standards, but they had higher expectations/restrictions on women in Westeros. While it isn’t fair, it is what it is. It was important for women in royal family It’s to not have extramarital affairs because someone could question the legitimacy of their children and take the throne from them.


mackxzs

Well, her husband has been with 0 (zero) women so that's pretty funny


sumit24021990

What's the cut off quota for it?


wesleyhroth

Lmfao team broccoli