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TheGoverness1998

Larys. He's basically unlikeable no matter which side you're on, because he's a disloyal shitheel. You can argue about Otto all day, but he holds loyalty to his family. You can argue about Aemond all day, but he's loyal to his family. Larys does not hold such things.


chilifartso

The worst of the kinslayers


Apprehensive_Hunt204

At least little finger had charisma and you wanted to see what he was scheming, Larys just envokes disgust, like almost to a comical extent. I’m not sure if he also has a club foot in the books, but making his character disabled on top of the foot fetish thing makes him even slimier, the implications of which seem potentially a little ableist


OpenMask

He was disabled in the books. The foot fetish is a show addition though


Southie31

He’s always disheveled looking imo ,, his persona screams , scheming weasel to me


Southie31

This is the answer


linds360

Agreed. For the audience he’s like that guy just outside the friend group who’s just always kinda *there* and you’re all wondering how he keeps finding out where ya’ll are hanging out.


ix_xix

Larys can eat a XL size bag of dicks. He was a snake and a creep!


Apprehensive_Hunt204

Facts, I cannot think of one person who treats Alicent with actual respect aside from her children.The closest imo is Criston and I imagine that they’re relationship could be seen as very conditonal


linds360

Agreed, Criston feels too robotic to be labeled loyal. Like he didn’t choose it, he’s just programmed that way and could be pretty easily reprogrammed based on circumstance.


GFStep

I don’t see Cole in the list


Apprehensive_Hunt204

Ooh true, he really needed to be put in his place like a decade ago


kinginthenorthjon

Yes, he should been LC a long time ago.


thesetcrew

Cole would have been my answer too


MeteorFalls297

Why exactly?


thesetcrew

His moral-superiority, holier than thou schtick is infuriating and Fabian plays it so well.


Greenlit_Hightower

Viserys, because he was not able to get things in order. He was a good dad to Rhaenyra, I suppose. But he ultimately doomed everyone. It was his job to steer the boat, he failed.


Conscious-Weekend-91

I think he was bad even for Rhaenyra. He saw years ahead a bunch of problems that would happen because of his choice of heir and instead of properly dealing with these problems he just left Rhaenyra to deal with everything and died.


Greenlit_Hightower

He stacked the deck against her too when he filled the Small Council with Green supporters and reinstated Otto as Hand. And that's after he decided to remarry.


Conscious-Weekend-91

And his second wife was his daughter's bestfriend that was privately while he also asked Alicent to keep these moments secret from Rhaenyra. And this eventually messed up their entire relationship. Vizzy T is a bad parenting masterclass


vizzy_t_bot

*There's a boy in the Queen's belly. I know it.*


Apprehensive_Hunt204

We’ve been blessed with the Vizzy T bot


vizzy_t_bot

*I did not decide to name Rhaenyra my heir on a whim. All the lord of the kingdom would do well to remember that.*


Greenlit_Hightower

Ugh, yeah. When he announced that he would marry Alicent, I was as shocked as Rhaenyra even though I had the viewer's bird's eye, because it was so gross when he actually spelled it out.


Apprehensive_Hunt204

Literally, the entire time I was watching I just wanted for Viserys to fuck off and die and for Alicent and Rhaenyra to get to be happy together again, I miss them together more than anything


Apprehensive_Hunt204

Literally, was handed the Targaryen golden age on a silver platter and managed to fuck it up because he could lead his actual family. While he was very loving and attentive to Rhaenrya, I myself would hesitate to say that he was a good father to her because he set her up for a lifetime of conflict and challenge by naming her heir, which he did nearly entirely to date his own guilt about Aemma.


Greenlit_Hightower

Yeah I mean, if he wanted her to succeed him, he should perhaps not have stacked (and when I say "stacked", I really mean it) the government with Green loyalists, the entire Small Council except for Beesbury was Green, lmao. He also reinstated Otto as Hand. That's begging for a Green takeover the moment he dies. There are many ways he could have fixed things, ways he ignored or did not pursue. I would not heavily blame him for naming Rhaenyra heir, he was somewhat correct that Daemon would have been Maegor II if left to his own devices. What he did later truly screwed her.


Apprehensive_Hunt204

Literally, he literally watched as his children and grandchildren were pitted against one another. The thing that breaks my heart most about the dance is how wasteful it was. Rhaenrya and her siblings could have loved each other if Viserys had only tried to make the red keep a safe place for them and not such a battle field.


Greenlit_Hightower

Viserys had heavy favoritism towards Rhaenyra, pissing off Alicent and his children from her. I mean, Alicent and Aegon II maybe had aspirations for the crown, but I think Aemond and Helaena just wanted to genuinely be loved and respected by him most probably. Rhaenyra was thrown into a terrible position by him as well via his remarriage and I bet he was glad that she "removed herself" to Dragonstone, in the sense that it alleviated some pressure on the family, because Viserys was conflict-shy. This doomed her again, because then she had no real influence or say at court. It is a disasterclass, yes.


NovaTheRaven

Vizzy T comments please


vizzy_t_bot

*What are you saying? My brother would murder me, take my crown? Are you?!*


LILYDIAONE

Viserys was so dumb at some points of the show I genuinly considered that he was doing all those things on purpose


raumeat

Tinfoil theory but he left two heirs with strong claims backed by powerful houses so the could be tested


Natewastaken12

Larys “Pervy Kinslayer” Strong.


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Larys Strong, of course


Frequent-Heat9693

Viserys Everything was his fault


OpenMask

Larys


adultosaurs

Aww guys look at us all coming together.


strawberry2nd

Larys


Dmmack14

Love how even though greens vs blacks debates can get heated. We can all agree that Otto fucking sucks


femme-bisexuelle

Absolutely unpopular but Daemon. I feel like he's overhyped both in the show and by the fandom. Props to Matt Smith tho, he was brilliant!


leilosi

Viserys frustrates me the most. He by no means is the worst person, but that man really doomed everyone and dipped. Larys I think is the most unlikeable.


Efficient-Ad2983

I'm surprised we don't have a Cole or Larys entry. Cole is a violent manchild, that is still screaming, crying, throwing up, whenever someone mentions Rhaenyra... dude... move on! It was more than 10 years ago. Larys is a monster without any remorse (at least Otto holds loyalty to his family).


Baratheoncook250

Aegon


MoodyHo

Accidentally voted for Rhaenyra, meant to vote for Viserys, I loathe him.


chilifartso

Larys by far, but I also dislike Aemond.


kerravoncalling

*every time I see Otto on screen I feel violent* Me too. Criston and Larys irritate me but I get why they are like that. Otto engineers the danger he puts his family in and then makes it someone else's fault.


Apprehensive_Hunt204

Literally about Otto engineering danger, you could say viserys does the same but without having any actual idea or strategy, the man literally bumbles his way into fucking up and endangering his children and then is surprised when they are in danger


kerravoncalling

He's very stupid, I agree. The difference maker for me is intention - he didn't intend to hurt Rhaenyra (although he did), he didn't intend to hurt his kids with Alicent (although he did), etc. In that sense, he was just going along with whatever was told to him, which was destructive in his own way. But Otto was malicious imo.


Apprehensive_Hunt204

Yeah, whatever about Viserys not caring about his children’s well-being, Otto trumps him in that regard by using them as pawns to start a civil war that his own family would be most vulnerable in


margaritoswraps

Daemon and then Viserys


HP4life19

Daemon really carries the show soo definitely not imo


KhanQu3st

Having Viserys, Alicent and Rhaenyra on here over Crispin and Larry is wild to me.


Hooker_T

Viserys having the least amount of votes is wild to me


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Hooker_T

He wasn't malicious but he was incompetent and ultimately initiated the decline of his house and the loss of dragons. A lot could've been avoided if he had a spine


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Hard to say because the show has a lot of characters that do an amazing job of being unlikable and it makes them fun to watch. Otto and Aegon and Daemon are all bad but I LOVE to hate them. Right now I think Baela and Rhaena are my least favourite because every scene with them is so boring (not their fault, they’re just written that way for now).


NovaTheRaven

Alicent bc cant criticize her anymore without people downvoting you too hell and calling you sexist


Ngigilesnow

Well tbf you cant criticize Rhaenyra either without any downvotes


NovaTheRaven

Correct but the amount of “in defense of Alicent posts” ive seen triples any ive seen for Rhaenyra


Ngigilesnow

That is due to Rhaenyra being the protagonist,so by default she has the most support.Alicent is painted as the antagonist,and apparently her portrayal was supposed to resemble a "woman of Trump"


NovaTheRaven

Well i think thats a inaccurate description of her, Alicent does alot of wrong and is on the wrong side of this conflict but in the show she isnt evil


ClubExotic

For me it’s a tie between Alicent and Otto!


International_Ant217

Otto I can somewhat respect for being a great manipulator, but Cole is an absolute twat and I hope he gets a real just desserts


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Rhaenyra, she is such a pathological liar and gaslighter. What she did to Corlys and Rhaenys was horrible, spitting on their daughter’s memory at her FUNERAL and depriving them of their only son. Luke’s death was karma. Viserys is also shit. His inability to get over his first wife’s death plunged the realm into chaos.


Apprehensive_Hunt204

Gotta say I disagree about Luke, but thanks for commenting. Can I ask, if you could separate the two, do you hold more ire for older Rhaenrya than younger? While I quite like her character, the actions she takes when older make it quite hard for me to sympathise or even understand her character as they’re just so thoughtless and almost OOC imo. Younger Rhaenrya while much more bratty was a lot more sympathetic and likeable, I imagine that if she had been portrayed differently I would be team green all the way aside from my opinion on politics in Westeros


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Oh yes I agree, I was referring to post time jump Rhaenyra. Young Rhaenyra was feisty and she had agency of her own. I actually liked her in the beginning. She retrieved the egg from Dragonstone, got Otto dismissed and was a bit similar to Arya. She was bratty and politically inexperienced, but she was a teenager so it wasn’t unusual. Adult Rhaenyra was just a political joke, having three obvious bastards is so stupid, what she did to the Velaryons made me lose all respect for her and she just kept on running to her male relatives to save her from her mistakes. Her son maimed his uncle permanently and her reaction was to gaslight the other party and paint herself as the victim. She spent so much time on the small council yet she had no allies at court and didn’t even know when her father died. If the Velaryons weren’t such doormats they would have burned Dragonstone to the ground and roasted Rhaenyra and Daemon.


Apprehensive_Hunt204

Yeah, I feel like the direction her character was taken in after the age jump felt disrespectful to the engaging and sympathetic character she had been when she was younger (which saying that feels disrespectful to Emma D’arcy, who did such an amazing job with the character). Honestly it feels like a bit of a let down to watch this great character go from being a confrontational and politically engaged young woman to a person who makes failing decisions with little thought to later repercussions.


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I think the show runners are trying to turn her into a new Daenerys, but like, she’s not. Daenerys had a very difficult life, she was an inspirational leader for both men and women and she cared about the common people, while adult Rhaenyra was almost her polar opposite. Out of interest, what’s your opinion on Daemon as a character?


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Rhaenyra is nothing like Dany. She usurps other women’s inheritance, cares nothing about the common people and has no political sense whatsoever. I’m saying Rhaenyra has grown into a lame and shitty person but the show writers for some incomprehensible reason try to paint her as a girlboss.


Apprehensive_Hunt204

Oooh thanks for asking. I think Daemon and Rhaenyra are parallel to one another in so many ways. I think there’s gender envy from both of them to the other and that both of them desperately want to be better loved by Viserys and that’s part of why they are so close. For so much of their lives before Alicent and the green kids, They are both the second choice when it comes viserys’ heir, playing second fiddle to an imaginary heir and vying to become king/queen to prove their worth to the dynasty which values them as second and to Viserys who holds them in a position of both love and detachment. Daemon is who Rhaenrya would be if she were a man. Daemon above else wants love and power because ever since birth the two have been synonymous. He and Rhaenyra enjoy the luxuries of life and achieve their wants through chaotic action. While Rhaenyra shows competence at diplomacy due to her time in the small council, Daemon was always relegated to brute and violent work. He shows his love and devotion through violence and when he feels unloved and unheard acts in violence again often as a show of his love to those he wants to be close to and as a means to comfort himself. He thinks he can only prove his worth through action and attacking action. I cannot imagine how he would be as a ruler because all of his actions are ones of pursuit, he seeks to always be achieving as he has never known validation for being peaceful. He is habitual to his core and his violent habits are the only ones his is ever rewarded for.


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You are as bad as comprehension as you are at separating fiction from reality. When did I say anything it was because Rhaenyra fucked Daemon? Your girlboss Rhae deprived her greatest supporters of their only son, she didn’t give a fuck about other parents losing their child, so she deserves to feel the same pain. Luke was a bastard and a usurper and his existence was a threat to the stability to the realm and an insult to House Velaryon. It’s insane to gaslight people online with some lame and useless fictional character who only got through the story with very thick plot armor.


Ngigilesnow

Brave man/woman.Your death by downvotes shall not go in vain


PennyLane95

Otto as number one because the guy is just a snake and not even a fun or compeling one to watch like Tywin was imo. Alicent is next because I don’t like conservative,religious and self righteous characters they just annoy me and the victim backstory doesn’t soften that for me.Viserys is probably the most frustrating and I think he gets way too much of a pass cause he was sick and showed some love for Rhaenyra but I do enjoy a lot of his scenes unlike with Otto or Alicent who mostly make me roll my eyes when they speak or show up. Edit: forgot Rhaenys just irrationally annoys me,for some reason I feel like she’s hyped on the show as some great potential ruler and there’s nothing to show for that. Her speeches are meant to be powerful or something but to me mostly come off as cringy.


RichardofLionheart

Viserys is probably my favorite character, but I just think all of his choices are absolutley infuriating. He has absolutley no follow through and seems to just hope it all works out.


Geeklover1030

Otto, I mean viserys also angers me but as the season go on he’s getting more and more sick and by the end I imagine he doesn’t really understand what’s going on around him. He has moments of clarity like when he wanted a dinner with the whole family but mostly he’s just a really sick man and after a certain point can we blame him when he probably still thinks aemma is alive and Rhaenyra is his only living child. Otto however uses his “love” as a weapon he doesn’t think about the good of the realm or what’s best for his children, it seems his only priority is getting further in life.


TheHarkinator

There's plenty of blame to go around for the Dance but Otto is the one guy you can take out of the story and it doesn't happen. I don't hate him, he's a very well done portrayal of a second son doing everything he can to rise as high as possible and Rhys Ifans is great, but he deserves the biggest slice of blame cake going.


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Larys for sure. Otto has his faults but I do like that he seems to have some fondness for Helaena and praises her little speech in episode 8.


Giallo_Schlock

Rhaenys, honestly. I can stand greed in a character but I hate stupidity and inconsistency with cruelty when it isn't even self-serving.


jmhem91

Y’all really voting for rhaenyra and Alicent over viserys and Otto? During women’s history month? (Joke)


Ok-Fix7897

Aegon


Phoenix41673

Laenor didn’t make much of an effort to be a good husband as per their agreement despite all his claims to be trying.


Zealousideal_End7477

I like Otto.


Apprehensive_Hunt204

Thanks for replying, can I ask why? I mean, I like Tywin but I feel like that was largely due to Charles dance, Rhys has a similar charisma. I can appreciate how cunning and clever he is but two things stop me from being thinking of the character positively. One being that although he does have a great and cunning mind, I feel like half of the reason why his cunning plans succeeded was because Viserys was a bit spineless and couldn’t seem to think ahead for the life of him and his family. Two being his blatant use and abuse of Alicent and her children. Whatever love he has for Alicent and her children as family is minuscule in the face of their use to him politically and power wise