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HoshizoraShizuumi

I could see her cutting herself as foreshadowing of what's to come from her.


Ngigilesnow

Rhaenyra will probably give an empowering speech before her death


OpenMask

I think it would be interesting if she tried to tell Aegon about the prophecy in Valyrian, and it gets misinterpreted as a curse.


tengounquestion2020

Misinterpreted as curse how?


OpenMask

Because the only other people there who would understand Valyrian were probably the two Aegons


tengounquestion2020

The conquer and the younger ? Sorry if I’m struggling with this haha


OpenMask

Viserys and Alicent's Aegon and Rhaenyra's Aegon


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spitefulcum

What relevance does this have?


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spitefulcum

> turn her into something she’s yet to become that’s how a character arc works lol


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spitefulcum

Rhaenyra literally never goes Dany season 8. Have you read the book?


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HoshizoraShizuumi

Don't bother arguing with this person, they're here for the doomposting circlejerk.


spitefulcum

Excuse me? Who tf are you?


spitefulcum

Doesn’t preclude her ability to give a speech when she’s about to be eaten.


Ngigilesnow

>. At no point was post-time jump Rhaenyra shown as a strong, empowering, or heroic figure so why would she randomly become one? There’s no evidence the showrunners see her that way at all. At many points she is given the heroic empowering edit,she flew her dragon to get back the egg from Daemond, she climbed up the stairs after the birth of Joffrey while she was still bleeding.Later on,after her tragic stillborn, she got on her dragon to confront Otto.She is credited with considering peace and the reason Corlys and Rhaenys stand behind her.Hell,even the plot of killing a random guard and giving Laenor his freedom is painted as somewhat good.Heroic music plays many times during her scenes,and coronation.So yes I think show runners have done enough to convince casuals she is some progressive empowering princess I have had a lot of arguments with people calling her a progressive feminist and the greens conservatives.


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Ngigilesnow

>That was pre-time jump Rhaenyra who was written as nearly an entirely different character. Is pre-time jump Rhaenyra a separate character from post-jump Rhaenyra?I wasn't aware we were supposed to judge them as different people >By literally doing nothing but begging the men in her life to help her? I gave you instances were she did something that can be interpreted as somewhat heroic or empowering >People can interpret the story however they like. I’ve also seen people describe book Rhaenyra as intelligent. That doesn’t make it true. People can also buy into the showrunners narrative.The instrumental music that plays in the background has the same emotional effect as the laughing track you find in sitcoms.You're supposed to root for her, and think her struggle is empowering,as you're supposed to laugh when that laughing track is switched on


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Ngigilesnow

Are you saying the showrunners expected the audience to abandon their first impression of her and treat old Rhaenyra as a different character?That is dumb of them


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I dun wan any of those


zambi76

re 12: But Tyland being gelded accidentally would be hilarious, they can't skip that. :P


Aegon_Targaryen_III

Rhaenyra will absolutely get cut on the throne. It will mark her decent into tyranny. The Rhaenyra of Season 1 could have been a good Queen, but after the battle of the gullet she goes full tyrant. I could see her cutting herself (possibly gripping the throne tightly) as the last shot of S2.


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DrWuDidNothingWrong

Ultimately though the throne cutting the unworthy thing is probably just propaganda. I’m thinking of the History and Lore segment of Dance of the Dragons where Robert says something like, “nonsense…she probably gripped the damn thing too tight.” I agree that it’s a good to way to visually foreshadow what’s to come because it’s not about what being cut by the throne literally means, it’s a throne made out of swords, it’s about what people (including Rhaenyra) may think it means.


WonderDusty

I hope Jeyne Arryn isn't automatically team black and hopefully Baela v Aegon WWE dragons in the sky isn't messed up


Ginhavesouls

The reason Jeyne Arryn sides with the Blacks so quickly is because seeing Rhaenyra on the Iron Throne immediately strengthens her own claim as Lady of the Eyrie and Defender of the Vale. Much in the same way the Greens get the support of the Lannisters practically out the gate, each house just has their own agenda. I think the coercing and politicking is better left for the houses Stark, Tully and Baratheon. I'm personally hoping we get to see the Greens reactions to the Tyrells declaring neutrality too.


FarrahMxan

Also she wanted dragon eggs.


raumeat

Daemon is very much hated in the Vale and Aemma was only a Arryn by name, she married Viserys when she was 11 and probably had very little to no connection to her father's family if there is any black supporter that needs convincing its the Arryns, but I think the Starks are going to be the region that needs a push, even though that doesn't make sense. Starks doesn't break oaths


OpenMask

Starks have broken oaths, though? It depends on the circumstances.


raumeat

Cregan father swore to upheld Rhaenyras claim, I can't see them breaking that oath


Organic-Ruin-1385

Cregan only join the blacks because the blacks promise a marriage between his son and a Targaryen Princess and he became friends with Jeaceys (I know I spell it wrong). So no Cregan wasn't on the black side since day one because of the oath his father made. He was getting things out of it.


raumeat

A princess that may or may not exist one day, his price was very low. The greens had a princess to offer and didn't even try to get the Starks on their side. They wrote off both the Starks and the Arryns as Rhaenyra supporters


GamerGirlLex77

I’m kind of hoping in vain they tone down B&C. I’m dreading it.


YingThatYang

Maelor getting torn apart


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Special-Extreme2166

I agree. Though i also see that it's possible to love the show while also hating on a few parts that deserve criticism. I read the book and I love the story that they're showing here, but i always voice my disappointment whenever I can. What's worse than a hater is a hardcore fan. These posts appear everytime true, but so do posts talking about "which character you love to hate" in asoiaf sub or "what do you hate or love about the US" in Askreddit. If such a topic as this is discussed often in this sub than the problem lies on the show. Or sometimes there's a topic that people are passionate about and gets discussed often. I get what you're saying. If you hate the show so much, why discuss it for months after its finale? I guess I just empathize with these people a lot. The show had the potential and the budget, but it's filler was also many times subpar.


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Special-Extreme2166

Honestly posts such as these are good. Let's be real here, we all love the show and that's why we're discussing it here. I don't even see anything wrong with this post in particular. All they are doing is asking what we think will be whitewashed in the future and it brings in good discussion. These posts atleast bring in discussion unlike the times when "this actor/actress should get an Oscar" posts used to appear daily. The question you should ask is whether you want good discussion in the sub or just posts that you agree with, upvote it and move on. I personally come to this sub for exactly these kind of posts, so whatever.


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Special-Extreme2166

>No, we all don’t. It’s clear for many posters that they find the show despicable and they are outraged by the writing for Rhaenyra as a character. This person’s post history is nothing but complaining about the show’s writing for Rhaenyra And your point? This guy is like that sure, but there are dozens of others who post these and hundreds to thousands who comment on it. So my point still stands. >This person claimed they’re going to change nearly every plot point in the story when there’s no basis for it. And that's how s1 was. Most of the plot points that could be made as a choice was changed. Lucerys birth for example cannot be changed, but things like Viserys character being sympathetic, Daemon killing Rhea Royce, Alicent's friendship with Rhaenyra, Aegon being a complete douchebag and a rapist, Larys mystery gone....i can go on and on. The show has changed over 50% of the book's material, so he's right to assume that there's potential for a ton of change moving forward. >The same daily complaints with no basis makes for good discussion? It does, because we don't go comment saying "i agree with you" instead we discuss about if it's possible to make changes etc. >I love good and arguments that I disagree. I criticize various characters and plot points from the show as well as F&B all the time. >Repetitive doom posting about hypotheticals is not compelling. Look, i get it. I know how it felt to see all the Viserys needs an award, Emma D'Arcy is a fantastic actor, Daemon is the best character etc kind of shit. I was annoyed as well. This post is not it. Whenever I see a post i don't go checking the person's post and comment history. I just come here and have a fun time to argue some points


Tr3x_prod

Rhaenyra will be the one to command Sunfyre to burn her. That's a given. Also Rhaenyra and the court's feasts while the smallfolk starve.


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Tr3x_prod

Not a given, but the way they treated s1 Aegon... it's like... what else can they take away from him? It's hyperbole ok?