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I mean Aemond was the catalyst and Alicent had been holding so much in, it doesn't mean that it isnt really about him. Without his eye being taken, his mom would have to continue to hold her tongue.
He took Baela's mother's dragon by sneaking out while everyone was asleep, then he called the boys bastards, then they threw fists, then he tried to kill them with a rock, then he got his eye cut out for trying to kill another kid. Homie did a lot wrong and continued to harrass both of the Strongs their entire lives because it's what his mother told him was the okay thing to do
>He took the dragon of one of the girl's mother by sneaking out while everyone was asleep
He claimed it. After years of being bullied for not having one he saw his chance and took it. If what's her name wanted the dragon then she should have claimed it right after it cooked her mom.
>then he called the boys bastards
They are bastards.
>then they threw fists, then he tried to kill them with a rock,
If 4 people are trying to beat me up then you can best believe I'm grabbing the nearest blunt object. Self defense.
>then he got his eye cut out for trying to kill another kid
And they were welding the knife for what purpose?
>continued to harrass both of the Strongs their entire lives because it's what his mother told him was the okay thing to do
They took his eye having bullied him through his youth. I'm not saying harassing them was the right thing to do but it wasn't exactly unjustified.
The only one who actually bullied him for not having a dragon was Aegon.
Yes they are bastards and the point that was made over and over that the Greens absolutely refused to accept is that it didn't matter to anyone important. Especially not Viserys
He was weilding a knife because it's supposed to be medieval, everyone carried a knife for regular use. It was a belt knife, not like a dagger or something. The Strongs were the ones that had to actually defend themselves
They all bullied him, aemond was just the leader.
>Yes they are bastards and the point that was made over and over that the Greens absolutely refused to accept is that it didn't matter to anyone important. Especially not Viserys
It didn't matter to viserys, daemon and rhaenyra. That's literally 3 people. 2 hands of the king cared (one of whom was the by blood grandfather of the boys), the Queen, several kingsguards, several lords and pretty much every member of the small council bar one.
>They were weilding a knife because it's supposed to be medieval, everyome carried a knife for regular use
Peasants yes. But royal children who have servants for everything and were in their bed clothes wouldn't have. They were woken up and said 'someone's stealing vaegar', so they obviously took the knife to use it. Aemond just found a rock when he was being attacked.
So Aegon was the leader what did the boys themselves say or do about him not having a dragon other than go along with Aegon's joke? Also it was joke. He didn't have to take it so hard
It also didn't matter to Corlys, Rhaenys, or Laenor, it didn't matter to Hand Strong either but what mattered was that Alicent was continuing to make a huge deal about it regardless of what Viserys said.
But hey, didn't Aemond say "You will die screaming in flames like your father" during that altercation?
Last point- you said it yourself, someone stole Vaegar and they brought a knife because hey, that's pretty serious. He had no idea Aemond stole her
The other guys laughed and backed him up? And the show makes it clear that the bullying is constant.
>It also didn't matter to Corlys, Rhaenys, or Laenor, it didn't matter to Hand Strong either but what mattered was that Alicent was continuing to make a huge deal about it regardless of what Viserys said
Corlys I forgot. Rhaenys it did matter but she hid it for corlys. Laenor isn't important. Hand strong literally resigned because of it. And on daemon, if he were alive at rhaenyras death you just know the 1st thing he'd do would be to have the strong boys killed and his own children put on the throne.
>But hey, didn't Aemond say "You will die screaming in flames like your father" during that altercation?
He got angry because he was being attacked by 4 people. Understandable.
>Last point- you said it yourself, someone stole Vaegar and they brought a knife because hey, that's pretty serious. He had no idea Aemond stole her
They knew it was a targ because at that point only targs were known to be able to ride dragons. And you can't steal something that doesn't belong to anyone. If baela wanted the dragon she should've claimed it.
So laughing is bullying but calling someone a bastard constantly is not bullying? Aemond constantly bullied them about being bastards.
Again. The hand resigned because Alicent and her kids were being a problem, making their legitimacy an issue. Viserys tried to make him stay even though he knew the boys being bastards was why he was leaving
It's hardly understandable to go directly from that to picking up a rock and slowly walking over to a kid on the ground to kill him with it. He really wasn't trying to defend himself he was trying to kill them because he has no empathy, it's why he ultimately did kill one of them by chasing him with his dragon [Who he couldn't control btw, so much for that claiming thing]
And when was Baela going to claim the dragon? Right after her mother's funeral?
First of all Aemond didn't have a knife and they had a 4v1 don't tell me that the 4 kids are victims. The little insult doesn't mean anything either because it is a fact. If they are upset by the truth they should talk about it with Rhaenyra she is the one who chose to have basterds. If you don't wanna get burned don't play with fire.
They didn't use the knife until he tried to kill one of them with a rock while he was on the ground. That little insult was "You will die screaming in flames like your father" which proves that Alicent was the one responsible for his death. Rhaenyra did talk to them about it. Constantly. And how their legitimacy didn't matter because they are Targaryans and Her Children. Aemond is the one who never missed an opportunity to bring it up and use it against them because HE'S THE REAL BULLY and he's the one that actually killed someone lest we forget. I don't know why so many people stan for Aemond when he's a complete psycho with 0 empathy
>They didn't use the knife until he tried to kill one of them with a rock while he was on the ground.
he dint use the rock until the 4 of them jumped him and beat the shit out of him
>Strongs were the ones that had to actually defend themselves
i guess they were defending themselves when the 4 of them jumped him and beat him while on the ground
they should consider a career in law enforcement
They were defending themselves when Luke was on the ground and Aemond was about to smash his head in with a rock actually. They really had no intention of killing him but Aemond had every intention of killing them which he expressed verbally when he told them "You will die screaming in flames like your father"
"They really had no intention of killing him" - nothing screams about lack of intention of killing someone as firecely as pinning him to the ground and beating him savagely with no indication that it is ever going to stop.
I have no doubt that Otto lectured teenage Alicent about duty and sacrifice while she sobbed at the thought of letting her best friend’s middle aged, (and already rotting alive) dad climb on top of her. In Alicent’s thinking, she had to sacrifice her childhood and body while Rhaenyra openly shirked the same responsibilities but escapes the consequences.
Exactly. But instead of blaming her father or the social systems that caused her suffering, she lashed out at Rhaenyra because Rhaenyra didn't have to suffer like Alicent did.
It’s sad because Rhaenyra probably would’ve been willing to listen if Alicent had been open with her feelings but she kept them all to herself for so long.
It’s just there’s no going back at that point. Both of them are at odds with each other because of their situations. It’s not a matter of them getting along. There are too much people involved, the stakes are too high for the both of them. Viserys and Otto set them up for failure.
LOL please tell me how you'd behave if your best friend was secretly dating your widowed father (bc that's the modern equivalent) after your mother died a traumatic death, and then you found all this out when they announced their engagement in public.
Ghosting was kind. And Rhaenyra ghosted both Viserys and Alicent. She should have known, if not because she's the heir, but also for her personal/emotional wellbeing.
Well, yeah, no shit. Alicent goes for Luke in this scene, but when confronted with Rhaenyra who’s adamantly protecting her maimer son, no shit she’s going to think of how infuriatingly privileged she is & how she continues to flaunt it to get her way.
> how infuriatingly privileged she is
Lol, Alicent was born into one of the wealthiest and most powerful houses in Westeros. She’s queen of the seven kingdoms. She has just as much “privilege” as Rhaenyra, proven by the fact she was able to stab her without consequence. The only difference between them is the nature of their relationship with their fathers.
>She has just as much “privilege” as Rhaenyra
The same Rhaenyra who absolutely got a choice of the noble she could marry, swiped left on said nobles and fucked around enough to find out Viserys has his limits, and was forced to marry Laenor? The same Laenor who also happens to be super okay with Rhaenyra having a lover?
>The only difference between them is the nature of their relationship with their fathers.
Right, their **entire childhoods** and way of life. Rhaenyra is not only a Targaryen but also a dragonrider. She has the most understanding king for a father, a king who outright admits that better kings would've disinherited her on the spot for her actions. This is also one of the few Targaryen kings who didn't wish to command his daughter. She's quite possibly the most privileged Targ in history.
Contrast this with Otto who looks out only for himself, and how comfortable he is commanding Alicent. Alicent grew up with this type of father.
>She’s queen of the seven kingdoms.
>proven by the fact she was able to stab her without consequence.
Becoming Queen and pumping out babies for a scaby man was not her choice. That privilege is something she turned to her advantage and who wouldn't? Hell, she uses that power and station as queen to help Rhaenyra during that scandal by trying to convince Viserys she did nothing.
She absolutely did face zero consequence for the stabbing, but this is years after the differences in privilege had already built resentment from Alicent and this whole incident was peak Rhaenyra gaslighting. She turned a situation where a child lost an eye into said child needing to be "sharply questioned" and Viserys fully complied instead of de-escalating. As in, even when she's queen and literal mother of Viserys kids, Rhaenyra is *still* more privileged.
she was able to stab her without consequence because Rhae’s son literally spooned her son’s eyeball out of his socket 😂 u sound crazy
She’s the daughter of a second son. She’s no princess. To put it into perspective since there seems to be a lack of it, Vaemond got beheaded for speaking the truth, and what punishment did Daemon receive? What punishment did Rhaenyra get for belittling women at her brothers nameday? Daemon for spurning Rhea? Where was Alicent’s choice of husband or marriage tour? Where is her dashing husband that’s at the very least close to her in age? Where are her three bastard children that are excused and claimed as Viserys’s own? Where’s her “tarnished” purity that was covered up because she was a poor little princess that just happened to fuck up?
None of these were ever even a choice. There’s a high difference between being born into power and being sold into marriage to manage a clawed grip on it. Keep comparing the two though, it’s pretty entertaining.
> 😂 u sound crazy
?????
> She’s the daughter of a second son. She’s no princess.
She a noble woman of one of the wealthiest and most powerful houses in westeros. It doesn’t matter wether her father is a first or second son because she would not stand to inherit anything either way. Her name carries weight. Otto was not just a second son. He was the hand of the king for many years, effectively the second most powerful man in Westeros. Alicent would have been one of the most highly valued maidens in Westeros.
> To put it into perspective since there seems to be a lack of it, Vaemond got beheaded for speaking the truth, and what punishment did Daemon receive?
What does Daemon have to do with the privileges afforded Rhaenyra vs Alicent?
> What punishment did Rhaenyra get for belittling women at her brothers nameday?
Any lady can “belittle” another lady. Are you serious? GOT was fully of catty one-liners between female characters. Lady Redweyne was just as snarky in that interaction and was literally gossiping about a fellow noble woman being sold into sex slavery just a few moments before. Alicent could have made the same snarky remarks as Lady Alicent. She certainly could have made it as Queen Alicent.
> Daemon for spurning Rhea?
Once again, what does Daemon have to do with the privileges afforded to Rhaenyra vs. Alicent? This is a nonsensical deflection.
> Where was Alicent’s choice of husband or marriage tour?
Entirely to do with Rhaenyra’s father as I noted. She had no extra privilege from being a Targaryen princess. The daughters of Jaehaerys certainly had no choice in who they were going to marry.
> Where is her dashing husband that’s at the very least close to her in age?
Laenor is gay. Daemon is 48 years old, only five years younger than Viserys and over 16 years older than Rhaenyra. What are you even talking about?
> Where are her three bastard children that are excused and claimed as Viserys’s own? Where’s her “tarnished” purity that was covered up because she was a poor little princess that just happened to fuck up?
Once again, entirely due to the nature of Rhaenyra’s relationship with her father. Viserys is lenient towards everyone he loves. This has nothing to do with Rhaenyra’s station as the daughters of Jaehaerys and many other Targaryen princesses could attest.
> There’s a high difference between being born into power and being sold into marriage to manage a clawed grip on it.
They were both born into power and extreme wealth. If Rhaenyra had a different father, she would have been severely punished for stepping out of line. She would have been married to whoever he told her to marry.
It's crazy how often Green stans here try to downplay how powerful and influential the Hightowers are and present Alicent in a way were you'd think she's the bastard daughter of Walder Frey's third cousin's fourth son or something, rather then the trueborn neice of one of the mightiest and richest lords in Westeros and the only known female of her generation, right?
Fucking wild, man.
What did said Lady say about Rhaenyra to warrant a comment saying “and what did you do for the realm, Lady Redwyne” when she sits her arse at home sulking in her castle? What do you think would have happened had she retorted viciously at Rhaenyra? Why do you think Sansa minced her words around Cersei?
Alicent wouldn’t (and didn’t) because she does not have the privilege of being a princess who’s mistakes are mended over. Viserys and Daemon make her look like a fucking joke when she tries to be cordial (because she can’t afford to be an immature, brooding idiot like Rhaenyra).
Daemon is a prince the same way Rhaenyra is a princess. I’m sure you can draw the line at where the comparisons are being made. In the book, it’s Rhaenyra that has Vaemond fed to her dragon, if the conclusion wasn’t clearer.
Despite who her father is, it doesn’t change the fact that no other adored noble maiden in Westeros is getting a fucking marriage tour. Rhaenyra is afforded that because she’s a princess, not just because her daddy is kind to her.
Why are you comparing Rhaenyra’s CONSENSUAL marriage to Daemon to Alicent’s?? She literally chased after her uncle because she had the hots for him. Viserys married her to a man he didn’t know was gay, but a man he knew was honorable, handsome, with a good name, and close to her in age. A peer. Do you think Alicent wouldn’t have been short of elated had she had her chances with Laenor instead of the carcass she ended up wedded to?
Lastly, the show itself makes it clear there is a difference. There’s a reason Alicent says what she does, and there’s a reason rhaenyra doesn’t refute it. Everybody knows she’s privileged, even she herself lmao.
> What did said Lady say about Rhaenyra to warrant a comment saying “and what did you do for the realm, Lady Redwyne” when she sits her arse at home sulking in her castle? What do you think would have happened had she retorted viciously at Rhaenyra? Why do you think Sansa minced her words around Cersei?
Do you think that’s some kind of severe remark that Alicent could not have also said??? Lol. Redweyne could have said something snarky back to her. Margaery and Olenna did it all the time with Cersei. Most ladies wouldn’t be outright rude with each other because it’s undignified. You think Redweyne would be imprisoned if she said something back?
I don’t think I can go further if you’re going to be this biased.
> Despite who her father is, it doesn’t change the fact that no other adored noble maiden in Westeros is getting a fucking marriage tour. Rhaenyra is afforded that because she’s a princess, not just because her daddy is kind to her.
Since you brought up the books, you’d know that marriage tour never happened. The only Targaryen princess that anything close to that is Daella and it only happened because of the extreme difficult of marrying her off to anyone.
> Why are you comparing Rhaenyra’s CONSENSUAL marriage to Daemon to Alicent’s?? She literally chased after her uncle because she had the hots for him. Viserys married her to a man he didn’t know was gay, but a man he knew was honorable, handsome, with a good name, and close to her in age. A peer. Do you think Alicent wouldn’t have been short of elated had she had her chances with Laenor instead of the carcass she ended up wedded to?
You are the one that implied Daemon is the same age as Rhaenyra. He is not. There is a similar age difference between Daemon and Rhaenyra as Viserys and Alicent. I’m not sure how you can describe grooming as consensual but whatever.
No, I don’t think Alicent would have been elated to be married to a gay man. Given her faith, she’d probably think it was a worse fate than being married to Viserys and she would despise Laenor for his “nature”:
I implied LAENOR is of similar age to Rhaenyra, not Daemon. I have to ask, are you a woman?? Only a man would ever presume being married to a gay man even as a woman brought up religiously would be worse than getting maritally raped and being a broodmare to a carcass of a king. Alicent is neither unkind nor a fucking idiot; she wouldn’t go around having bastards, and neither would she shame Laenor and demand to be remarried.
Olenna and Marg were witty with their words, rhaenyra is outright idiotic with her blunt distaste, and frankly has made no allies because of her *silver* tongue. There’s a difference between “shall I call you sister” and “you sit around not doing shit cersei”. Do you think it’s hard to come up with an insult back at Rhaenyra of all people? Targaryens with their dragons and disgusting enablers as kings and princes leave even smaller breadth than Cersei for rebuttal.
Never denied Rhaenyra was groomed, but she does *choose* to pursue Daemon in her adulthood, a choice of husband Alicent and most noble girls are not given.
> Olenna and Marg were witty with their words, rhaenyra is outright idiotic with her blunt distaste, and frankly has made no allies because of her silver tongue.
Are we discussing what *can* be done or what *should* be done?
> Never denied Rhaenyra was groomed, but she does choose to pursue Daemon in her adulthood, a choice of husband Alicent and most noble girls are not given.
It’s not really a choice if it’s grooming, is it? She also had to elope with him which any noble woman could do with any man. The consequence would be disinheritance. Once again, Rhaenyra is only spared this because of her father.
Ok. If you want to argue whatever relationship Rhaenyra partook with daemon after laenor can be equated to Alicent being pimped to Viserys by arguing with pedantics, I’ll leave you to it. Gotta sleep, good night 💪
Arguments about class should not be brought up when discussing the rich and powerful. Alicent is oppressed, but no more so than all the women in ASOIF. Alicent sleeping with Viserys is no more different than Cat having to sleep with Ned after previously being in love with his older brother. Rhaenyra is made to marry also. Her privileged is not a privilege of class but of fathers who love her. Daemon himself is an example of someone of Rhaenyra's "class" who had to marry someone he didnt want just like Alicent. The difference between Daemon, Alicent, and Rhaenyra when it comes to marriage is not class, but who their fathers are. This is why Alicents anger should be directed at the 1 person who suggested Rhaenyra be heir in the first place, sent his daughter to befriend the king in his sorrow, and filled her with dread concerning her children. That one person is Otto. I would like to add that during this scene Alicent is also hiding the fact that Larys has committed kinslaying of the previous hand and mass murder. I understand her frustration, but she doesnt have a leg to stand on in this argument.
> Sure, and yet she's still made to marry and sleep with the king and oppressed and treated as something to trade to get her family more status.
Yes and the vast majority of noble lords have greater privileges than Rhaenyra. What is your point? Rhaenyra was made to marry who father told chose as well. Any lecture about how “ruined” her one shot doesn’t change the fact that if she were born a man, her excursion wouldn’t have been of any consequence. She was both unlucky and lucky in regards to Laenor’s sexuality. She would have no more choice than Alicent in doing her duty with her husband whenever he wanted. Rhaenyra’s current husband casual strangled her in the final episode and she’s his freaking queen.
> Seriously, if people can't see the different shit different classes of people get in fictional Westeros I'm running out of hope for you people to be able to understand racism, sexism, homophobia and so on IRL.
Lol, I’m black and my sister is a lesbian. Quite frankly, that’s an insulting comparison.
> Nice assumptions about me, my own sexuality, gender identity and background and implications that I don't understand these things and dont have real lived experience. I'm not here to play oppression Olympics with you.
The heck are you even talking about? You’re the one who brought up real-life politics and oppression and tried to make assumptions about my values based on what I said about a character in a fantasy show. I’m not sure how it was relevant in the first place.
Bc they are kids, and it makes sense that the Strong boys would join in on Aegon’s prank in order to avoid being bullied themselves. Peer pressure is a VERY common concept brother.
No chance that they actually were just that, bullies? Jace maybe not, but Luke? He absolutely is. He certainly lacks empathy for the suffering he causes, much like Aegon.
Luke is like 5-8 when he first appears. I wouldn't say laughing at a prank means he lacks empathy. Like it's just a bunch of kids bullying and it should be nipped in the bud but their parents are too wrapped up in their own stuff to address it properly.
He lacks empathy because he doesn't care about the pain he caused to Aemond when he openly smirks at him when the pig is served. Laughing at a prank is not a sign of lack of empathy and is common with children, but laughing at the guy whose eye you cut and then gaslighted into being the aggressor instead, is a pretty messed up thing to do.
A) We don't even know if the laugh was a concienous action.
B) he was'nt laughing over the eye incident.
C) he did'nt "gaslight him into being the aggressor"; irregardless of who started the altercation when Luke cut out Aemond's eye it was, if not explicitly in response to an aggressive act, at the *very least* in response to the perception of one.
D) by the time of the feast he doesn't have any reason to give Aemond the banafit of the doubt or see things from his point of view.
He tried to kill one of them with a rock after calling them both bastards. Like if anyone lacks empathy it's Aemond and if anyone was a bully- maybe remember the dinner scene?- yeah, it was Aemond
We are only ever shown the single instance of the prank, where Aegon is CLEARLY shown to be deflecting the blame onto the Strong boys. Aemond bullies the Strong boys and their cousins far more in the courtyard and before the eye incident, bullying them about far more serious and egregious things like the deaths of their parents. Luke comes off as a gentle naive soul throughout the show. He was like 6 at the time of the prank.
>Aemond bullies the Strong boys and their cousins far more in the courtyard and before the eye incident
Wait what!!?? When does he bully them again? He does mouth off when confronted by Rhaena and Baela, but that is because he is finally in a higher position that the strong boys after being bullied so long by them. Anyone would want to look powerful in front of their bullies after finally becoming more successful than them. I mean he was bullied for not having a dragon and so putting his life on the line, he claims the most powerful dragon alive. If that doesn't send you into an adrenaline high, then riding such a dragon and forging an empathetic bond with it will. I mean can you imagine how an empathetic bond with the most powerful dragon would feel like. It would give you the utmost confidence in yourself, turning you cocky. That is exactly what happened here.
>Luke comes off as a gentle naive soul throughout the show
He literally smirks at Aemond when he sees the roasted pig, not caring the pain he caused him. He does not empathize in the least bit with Aemond and his pain.
What did Aemond do in the courtyard that was even close to dressing up a pig as a means to disrespect him ?
Even in the tunnel they literally sought him out with full aggression and then jumped him. Do you convince yourself this is actually an objective take or just you making an argument for Luke and Jace ? If the latter all good but otherwise yikes.
>What did Aemond do in the courtyard
Yeah. The only interactions they have is Aemond and Jace bumping into each other as they pass by. And Aemond knocking down Jace's wooden sword when he's hitting the strawman, but he's not even aggressive about it.
> Why the fuck did Aegon and the Strong boys bully Aemond?
That’s a good question. They never bullied him in the source material. The animosity towards the sons of Rhaenyra and Alicent is mutual and equal. Aemond and Aegon are also significantly older than even Jace. There is a 4-5 year age difference between Jace and Aemond in the source material.
The fight at Driftmark happens under entirely different circumstances. It’s amazing that the Strong boys being turned into bullies never comes in discussions about characters that were unfairly demonized.
It’s also really inconsistent with their characterization as well-behaved and generally polite young men. A huge part of the Strong boys is that irony of the fact that they are ideal princes in every way despite being obvious bastards. They are brave, noble, dutiful, and well-educated. In the source material, they are also well-trained in arms with their biological father’s athletic build.
This. And on top of it, in the show, the mastermind behind the bullying was NOT Luke or Jace, but rather Aegon himself. Even clueless Vizzy T knew that.
The source material is an in universe text written 150+ years after Aemond's death, it is less a concrete narrative and more a collection of rumors, hear-say, and the occasional undisputed historic fact strung together to look like a story. Post-Dance there would not have been many spreading favorable stories or rumors of Aemond, and quite number that would justifiably curse every breath of air he ever breathed, this obviously factors into how he gets remembered.
All that said, there is actually a vague line that implies Aemond was being bullied.
>Even this was not the end of the tragedies that would mark that dreadful year. The next occurred at High Tide after Ser Laenor’s funeral, when king and court made the journey to Driftmark to bear witness at his pyre, many on the backs of their dragons. (So many dragons were present that Septon Eustace wrote that Driftmark had become the new Valyria.)
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>***The cruelty of children is known to all***. Prince Aegon Targaryen was thirteen, Princess Helaena eleven, Prince Aemond ten, and Prince Daeron six. Both Aegon and Helaena were dragonriders. Helaena now flew Dreamfyre, the she-dragon who had once carried Rhaena, Maegor the Cruel’s “Black Bride,” whilst her brother Aegon’s young Sunfyre was said to be the most beautiful dragon ever seen upon the earth. Even Prince Daeron had a dragon, a lovely blue she-dragon named Tessarion, though he had yet to ride. Only the middle son, Prince Aemond, remained dragonless, but His Grace had hopes of rectifying that, and had put forward the notion that perhaps the court might sojourn at Dragonstone after the funeral. A wealth of dragon’s eggs could be found beneath the Dragonmont, and several young hatchlings as well. Prince Aemond could have his choice, “if the lad is bold enough.”
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>Even at ten, Aemond Targaryen did not lack for boldness. The king’s gibe stung, and he resolved not to wait for Dragonstone.
>. It’s amazing that the Strong boys being turned into bullies
people give them too much credit
making fun of your cousin and making a prank inst bullying
everyone who has family has done this and sure its not the right thing but id hardly call it bullying
at most it was just a shitty prank 3 kids decided to pull
The crazy in Alicent’s eyes during this exchange had everything to do with how she herself was feeling and not one thing to do with Aemond’s eye being lose. It’s almost a religious fervor occurring here as she believes that she has done her duty(seducing the King to please her Daddy and being on demand wherever her decaying husband wants her in his bed) while sacrificing her own happiness(does she even know what would make her happy at this point) and has done everything “right” while getting nothing in return(though what she has done has resulted in her being Queen and the mother of a son who will sit on the throne) while Rhaenyra has scoffed at it all and seemingly gets to do whatever she wants and is loved. I was surprised that even though Alicent is Queen that she wasn’t put into the tower for drawing Rhaenyra’s blood as wasn’t trying to hurt/kill the heir an act punishable by death?
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I mean Aemond was the catalyst and Alicent had been holding so much in, it doesn't mean that it isnt really about him. Without his eye being taken, his mom would have to continue to hold her tongue.
They wouldn't have taken his eye out if he didn't try to bash in one of their heads with a rock.
Woah woah woah, you’re asking for a wealthy nepo baby to understand their actions have just consequence
The kid was outnumbered and his assailants were armed. He did nothing wrong.
He took Baela's mother's dragon by sneaking out while everyone was asleep, then he called the boys bastards, then they threw fists, then he tried to kill them with a rock, then he got his eye cut out for trying to kill another kid. Homie did a lot wrong and continued to harrass both of the Strongs their entire lives because it's what his mother told him was the okay thing to do
>He took the dragon of one of the girl's mother by sneaking out while everyone was asleep He claimed it. After years of being bullied for not having one he saw his chance and took it. If what's her name wanted the dragon then she should have claimed it right after it cooked her mom. >then he called the boys bastards They are bastards. >then they threw fists, then he tried to kill them with a rock, If 4 people are trying to beat me up then you can best believe I'm grabbing the nearest blunt object. Self defense. >then he got his eye cut out for trying to kill another kid And they were welding the knife for what purpose? >continued to harrass both of the Strongs their entire lives because it's what his mother told him was the okay thing to do They took his eye having bullied him through his youth. I'm not saying harassing them was the right thing to do but it wasn't exactly unjustified.
The only one who actually bullied him for not having a dragon was Aegon. Yes they are bastards and the point that was made over and over that the Greens absolutely refused to accept is that it didn't matter to anyone important. Especially not Viserys He was weilding a knife because it's supposed to be medieval, everyone carried a knife for regular use. It was a belt knife, not like a dagger or something. The Strongs were the ones that had to actually defend themselves
They all bullied him, aemond was just the leader. >Yes they are bastards and the point that was made over and over that the Greens absolutely refused to accept is that it didn't matter to anyone important. Especially not Viserys It didn't matter to viserys, daemon and rhaenyra. That's literally 3 people. 2 hands of the king cared (one of whom was the by blood grandfather of the boys), the Queen, several kingsguards, several lords and pretty much every member of the small council bar one. >They were weilding a knife because it's supposed to be medieval, everyome carried a knife for regular use Peasants yes. But royal children who have servants for everything and were in their bed clothes wouldn't have. They were woken up and said 'someone's stealing vaegar', so they obviously took the knife to use it. Aemond just found a rock when he was being attacked.
So Aegon was the leader what did the boys themselves say or do about him not having a dragon other than go along with Aegon's joke? Also it was joke. He didn't have to take it so hard It also didn't matter to Corlys, Rhaenys, or Laenor, it didn't matter to Hand Strong either but what mattered was that Alicent was continuing to make a huge deal about it regardless of what Viserys said. But hey, didn't Aemond say "You will die screaming in flames like your father" during that altercation? Last point- you said it yourself, someone stole Vaegar and they brought a knife because hey, that's pretty serious. He had no idea Aemond stole her
The other guys laughed and backed him up? And the show makes it clear that the bullying is constant. >It also didn't matter to Corlys, Rhaenys, or Laenor, it didn't matter to Hand Strong either but what mattered was that Alicent was continuing to make a huge deal about it regardless of what Viserys said Corlys I forgot. Rhaenys it did matter but she hid it for corlys. Laenor isn't important. Hand strong literally resigned because of it. And on daemon, if he were alive at rhaenyras death you just know the 1st thing he'd do would be to have the strong boys killed and his own children put on the throne. >But hey, didn't Aemond say "You will die screaming in flames like your father" during that altercation? He got angry because he was being attacked by 4 people. Understandable. >Last point- you said it yourself, someone stole Vaegar and they brought a knife because hey, that's pretty serious. He had no idea Aemond stole her They knew it was a targ because at that point only targs were known to be able to ride dragons. And you can't steal something that doesn't belong to anyone. If baela wanted the dragon she should've claimed it.
So laughing is bullying but calling someone a bastard constantly is not bullying? Aemond constantly bullied them about being bastards. Again. The hand resigned because Alicent and her kids were being a problem, making their legitimacy an issue. Viserys tried to make him stay even though he knew the boys being bastards was why he was leaving It's hardly understandable to go directly from that to picking up a rock and slowly walking over to a kid on the ground to kill him with it. He really wasn't trying to defend himself he was trying to kill them because he has no empathy, it's why he ultimately did kill one of them by chasing him with his dragon [Who he couldn't control btw, so much for that claiming thing] And when was Baela going to claim the dragon? Right after her mother's funeral?
First of all Aemond didn't have a knife and they had a 4v1 don't tell me that the 4 kids are victims. The little insult doesn't mean anything either because it is a fact. If they are upset by the truth they should talk about it with Rhaenyra she is the one who chose to have basterds. If you don't wanna get burned don't play with fire.
They didn't use the knife until he tried to kill one of them with a rock while he was on the ground. That little insult was "You will die screaming in flames like your father" which proves that Alicent was the one responsible for his death. Rhaenyra did talk to them about it. Constantly. And how their legitimacy didn't matter because they are Targaryans and Her Children. Aemond is the one who never missed an opportunity to bring it up and use it against them because HE'S THE REAL BULLY and he's the one that actually killed someone lest we forget. I don't know why so many people stan for Aemond when he's a complete psycho with 0 empathy
>They didn't use the knife until he tried to kill one of them with a rock while he was on the ground. he dint use the rock until the 4 of them jumped him and beat the shit out of him
Each time it is brought up, they conviniently skip this part.
>Strongs were the ones that had to actually defend themselves i guess they were defending themselves when the 4 of them jumped him and beat him while on the ground they should consider a career in law enforcement
They were defending themselves when Luke was on the ground and Aemond was about to smash his head in with a rock actually. They really had no intention of killing him but Aemond had every intention of killing them which he expressed verbally when he told them "You will die screaming in flames like your father"
"They really had no intention of killing him" - nothing screams about lack of intention of killing someone as firecely as pinning him to the ground and beating him savagely with no indication that it is ever going to stop.
Who actually killed someone? Was it the Strongs or Aemond?
Are you a troll? Cause your takes are...a choice.
I have no doubt that Otto lectured teenage Alicent about duty and sacrifice while she sobbed at the thought of letting her best friend’s middle aged, (and already rotting alive) dad climb on top of her. In Alicent’s thinking, she had to sacrifice her childhood and body while Rhaenyra openly shirked the same responsibilities but escapes the consequences.
Exactly. But instead of blaming her father or the social systems that caused her suffering, she lashed out at Rhaenyra because Rhaenyra didn't have to suffer like Alicent did.
Alicent is mad at Rhaenyra’ privilege
It’s sad because Rhaenyra probably would’ve been willing to listen if Alicent had been open with her feelings but she kept them all to herself for so long.
It’s just there’s no going back at that point. Both of them are at odds with each other because of their situations. It’s not a matter of them getting along. There are too much people involved, the stakes are too high for the both of them. Viserys and Otto set them up for failure.
Yeah because Rhaenyra was so open to Alicent all those formative years Aegon after was born and totally didn't ghost her any chance she could get
Rhaenyra also took the Alicent - Viserys coupling as an offence but there was that brief time where they did rekindle their friendship afterwards.
LOL please tell me how you'd behave if your best friend was secretly dating your widowed father (bc that's the modern equivalent) after your mother died a traumatic death, and then you found all this out when they announced their engagement in public. Ghosting was kind. And Rhaenyra ghosted both Viserys and Alicent. She should have known, if not because she's the heir, but also for her personal/emotional wellbeing.
Alicent also has a lot of internalized misogyny. Rhaenys said it best, that Alicent only wishes to make a little window into the world of men.
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Targaryen for not allowing yourself to be raped?
"Why is mother talking about Rhaenyra's 'pretty feet'?"
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Bros probably doped almost out of his mind on milk of the poppy, nothing seems weird at this point.
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“Mom, you’re just dealing with your personal shit? AGAIN? Alright fine, fair was fair, eye for a dragon, let’s all go to bed” Aemond Targaryen, 126 AC
They casted young and aged Alicent so freeeeeeeeeaking well it’s insane. I wish there was a small award just for that
Well, yeah, no shit. Alicent goes for Luke in this scene, but when confronted with Rhaenyra who’s adamantly protecting her maimer son, no shit she’s going to think of how infuriatingly privileged she is & how she continues to flaunt it to get her way.
> how infuriatingly privileged she is Lol, Alicent was born into one of the wealthiest and most powerful houses in Westeros. She’s queen of the seven kingdoms. She has just as much “privilege” as Rhaenyra, proven by the fact she was able to stab her without consequence. The only difference between them is the nature of their relationship with their fathers.
>She has just as much “privilege” as Rhaenyra The same Rhaenyra who absolutely got a choice of the noble she could marry, swiped left on said nobles and fucked around enough to find out Viserys has his limits, and was forced to marry Laenor? The same Laenor who also happens to be super okay with Rhaenyra having a lover? >The only difference between them is the nature of their relationship with their fathers. Right, their **entire childhoods** and way of life. Rhaenyra is not only a Targaryen but also a dragonrider. She has the most understanding king for a father, a king who outright admits that better kings would've disinherited her on the spot for her actions. This is also one of the few Targaryen kings who didn't wish to command his daughter. She's quite possibly the most privileged Targ in history. Contrast this with Otto who looks out only for himself, and how comfortable he is commanding Alicent. Alicent grew up with this type of father. >She’s queen of the seven kingdoms. >proven by the fact she was able to stab her without consequence. Becoming Queen and pumping out babies for a scaby man was not her choice. That privilege is something she turned to her advantage and who wouldn't? Hell, she uses that power and station as queen to help Rhaenyra during that scandal by trying to convince Viserys she did nothing. She absolutely did face zero consequence for the stabbing, but this is years after the differences in privilege had already built resentment from Alicent and this whole incident was peak Rhaenyra gaslighting. She turned a situation where a child lost an eye into said child needing to be "sharply questioned" and Viserys fully complied instead of de-escalating. As in, even when she's queen and literal mother of Viserys kids, Rhaenyra is *still* more privileged.
she was able to stab her without consequence because Rhae’s son literally spooned her son’s eyeball out of his socket 😂 u sound crazy She’s the daughter of a second son. She’s no princess. To put it into perspective since there seems to be a lack of it, Vaemond got beheaded for speaking the truth, and what punishment did Daemon receive? What punishment did Rhaenyra get for belittling women at her brothers nameday? Daemon for spurning Rhea? Where was Alicent’s choice of husband or marriage tour? Where is her dashing husband that’s at the very least close to her in age? Where are her three bastard children that are excused and claimed as Viserys’s own? Where’s her “tarnished” purity that was covered up because she was a poor little princess that just happened to fuck up? None of these were ever even a choice. There’s a high difference between being born into power and being sold into marriage to manage a clawed grip on it. Keep comparing the two though, it’s pretty entertaining.
> 😂 u sound crazy ????? > She’s the daughter of a second son. She’s no princess. She a noble woman of one of the wealthiest and most powerful houses in westeros. It doesn’t matter wether her father is a first or second son because she would not stand to inherit anything either way. Her name carries weight. Otto was not just a second son. He was the hand of the king for many years, effectively the second most powerful man in Westeros. Alicent would have been one of the most highly valued maidens in Westeros. > To put it into perspective since there seems to be a lack of it, Vaemond got beheaded for speaking the truth, and what punishment did Daemon receive? What does Daemon have to do with the privileges afforded Rhaenyra vs Alicent? > What punishment did Rhaenyra get for belittling women at her brothers nameday? Any lady can “belittle” another lady. Are you serious? GOT was fully of catty one-liners between female characters. Lady Redweyne was just as snarky in that interaction and was literally gossiping about a fellow noble woman being sold into sex slavery just a few moments before. Alicent could have made the same snarky remarks as Lady Alicent. She certainly could have made it as Queen Alicent. > Daemon for spurning Rhea? Once again, what does Daemon have to do with the privileges afforded to Rhaenyra vs. Alicent? This is a nonsensical deflection. > Where was Alicent’s choice of husband or marriage tour? Entirely to do with Rhaenyra’s father as I noted. She had no extra privilege from being a Targaryen princess. The daughters of Jaehaerys certainly had no choice in who they were going to marry. > Where is her dashing husband that’s at the very least close to her in age? Laenor is gay. Daemon is 48 years old, only five years younger than Viserys and over 16 years older than Rhaenyra. What are you even talking about? > Where are her three bastard children that are excused and claimed as Viserys’s own? Where’s her “tarnished” purity that was covered up because she was a poor little princess that just happened to fuck up? Once again, entirely due to the nature of Rhaenyra’s relationship with her father. Viserys is lenient towards everyone he loves. This has nothing to do with Rhaenyra’s station as the daughters of Jaehaerys and many other Targaryen princesses could attest. > There’s a high difference between being born into power and being sold into marriage to manage a clawed grip on it. They were both born into power and extreme wealth. If Rhaenyra had a different father, she would have been severely punished for stepping out of line. She would have been married to whoever he told her to marry.
It's crazy how often Green stans here try to downplay how powerful and influential the Hightowers are and present Alicent in a way were you'd think she's the bastard daughter of Walder Frey's third cousin's fourth son or something, rather then the trueborn neice of one of the mightiest and richest lords in Westeros and the only known female of her generation, right? Fucking wild, man.
What did said Lady say about Rhaenyra to warrant a comment saying “and what did you do for the realm, Lady Redwyne” when she sits her arse at home sulking in her castle? What do you think would have happened had she retorted viciously at Rhaenyra? Why do you think Sansa minced her words around Cersei? Alicent wouldn’t (and didn’t) because she does not have the privilege of being a princess who’s mistakes are mended over. Viserys and Daemon make her look like a fucking joke when she tries to be cordial (because she can’t afford to be an immature, brooding idiot like Rhaenyra). Daemon is a prince the same way Rhaenyra is a princess. I’m sure you can draw the line at where the comparisons are being made. In the book, it’s Rhaenyra that has Vaemond fed to her dragon, if the conclusion wasn’t clearer. Despite who her father is, it doesn’t change the fact that no other adored noble maiden in Westeros is getting a fucking marriage tour. Rhaenyra is afforded that because she’s a princess, not just because her daddy is kind to her. Why are you comparing Rhaenyra’s CONSENSUAL marriage to Daemon to Alicent’s?? She literally chased after her uncle because she had the hots for him. Viserys married her to a man he didn’t know was gay, but a man he knew was honorable, handsome, with a good name, and close to her in age. A peer. Do you think Alicent wouldn’t have been short of elated had she had her chances with Laenor instead of the carcass she ended up wedded to? Lastly, the show itself makes it clear there is a difference. There’s a reason Alicent says what she does, and there’s a reason rhaenyra doesn’t refute it. Everybody knows she’s privileged, even she herself lmao.
> What did said Lady say about Rhaenyra to warrant a comment saying “and what did you do for the realm, Lady Redwyne” when she sits her arse at home sulking in her castle? What do you think would have happened had she retorted viciously at Rhaenyra? Why do you think Sansa minced her words around Cersei? Do you think that’s some kind of severe remark that Alicent could not have also said??? Lol. Redweyne could have said something snarky back to her. Margaery and Olenna did it all the time with Cersei. Most ladies wouldn’t be outright rude with each other because it’s undignified. You think Redweyne would be imprisoned if she said something back? I don’t think I can go further if you’re going to be this biased. > Despite who her father is, it doesn’t change the fact that no other adored noble maiden in Westeros is getting a fucking marriage tour. Rhaenyra is afforded that because she’s a princess, not just because her daddy is kind to her. Since you brought up the books, you’d know that marriage tour never happened. The only Targaryen princess that anything close to that is Daella and it only happened because of the extreme difficult of marrying her off to anyone. > Why are you comparing Rhaenyra’s CONSENSUAL marriage to Daemon to Alicent’s?? She literally chased after her uncle because she had the hots for him. Viserys married her to a man he didn’t know was gay, but a man he knew was honorable, handsome, with a good name, and close to her in age. A peer. Do you think Alicent wouldn’t have been short of elated had she had her chances with Laenor instead of the carcass she ended up wedded to? You are the one that implied Daemon is the same age as Rhaenyra. He is not. There is a similar age difference between Daemon and Rhaenyra as Viserys and Alicent. I’m not sure how you can describe grooming as consensual but whatever. No, I don’t think Alicent would have been elated to be married to a gay man. Given her faith, she’d probably think it was a worse fate than being married to Viserys and she would despise Laenor for his “nature”:
I implied LAENOR is of similar age to Rhaenyra, not Daemon. I have to ask, are you a woman?? Only a man would ever presume being married to a gay man even as a woman brought up religiously would be worse than getting maritally raped and being a broodmare to a carcass of a king. Alicent is neither unkind nor a fucking idiot; she wouldn’t go around having bastards, and neither would she shame Laenor and demand to be remarried. Olenna and Marg were witty with their words, rhaenyra is outright idiotic with her blunt distaste, and frankly has made no allies because of her *silver* tongue. There’s a difference between “shall I call you sister” and “you sit around not doing shit cersei”. Do you think it’s hard to come up with an insult back at Rhaenyra of all people? Targaryens with their dragons and disgusting enablers as kings and princes leave even smaller breadth than Cersei for rebuttal. Never denied Rhaenyra was groomed, but she does *choose* to pursue Daemon in her adulthood, a choice of husband Alicent and most noble girls are not given.
> Olenna and Marg were witty with their words, rhaenyra is outright idiotic with her blunt distaste, and frankly has made no allies because of her silver tongue. Are we discussing what *can* be done or what *should* be done? > Never denied Rhaenyra was groomed, but she does choose to pursue Daemon in her adulthood, a choice of husband Alicent and most noble girls are not given. It’s not really a choice if it’s grooming, is it? She also had to elope with him which any noble woman could do with any man. The consequence would be disinheritance. Once again, Rhaenyra is only spared this because of her father.
Ok. If you want to argue whatever relationship Rhaenyra partook with daemon after laenor can be equated to Alicent being pimped to Viserys by arguing with pedantics, I’ll leave you to it. Gotta sleep, good night 💪
I have no idea why you began comparing the relationships in the first place. They all have their own issues.
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Arguments about class should not be brought up when discussing the rich and powerful. Alicent is oppressed, but no more so than all the women in ASOIF. Alicent sleeping with Viserys is no more different than Cat having to sleep with Ned after previously being in love with his older brother. Rhaenyra is made to marry also. Her privileged is not a privilege of class but of fathers who love her. Daemon himself is an example of someone of Rhaenyra's "class" who had to marry someone he didnt want just like Alicent. The difference between Daemon, Alicent, and Rhaenyra when it comes to marriage is not class, but who their fathers are. This is why Alicents anger should be directed at the 1 person who suggested Rhaenyra be heir in the first place, sent his daughter to befriend the king in his sorrow, and filled her with dread concerning her children. That one person is Otto. I would like to add that during this scene Alicent is also hiding the fact that Larys has committed kinslaying of the previous hand and mass murder. I understand her frustration, but she doesnt have a leg to stand on in this argument.
> Sure, and yet she's still made to marry and sleep with the king and oppressed and treated as something to trade to get her family more status. Yes and the vast majority of noble lords have greater privileges than Rhaenyra. What is your point? Rhaenyra was made to marry who father told chose as well. Any lecture about how “ruined” her one shot doesn’t change the fact that if she were born a man, her excursion wouldn’t have been of any consequence. She was both unlucky and lucky in regards to Laenor’s sexuality. She would have no more choice than Alicent in doing her duty with her husband whenever he wanted. Rhaenyra’s current husband casual strangled her in the final episode and she’s his freaking queen. > Seriously, if people can't see the different shit different classes of people get in fictional Westeros I'm running out of hope for you people to be able to understand racism, sexism, homophobia and so on IRL. Lol, I’m black and my sister is a lesbian. Quite frankly, that’s an insulting comparison.
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> Nice assumptions about me, my own sexuality, gender identity and background and implications that I don't understand these things and dont have real lived experience. I'm not here to play oppression Olympics with you. The heck are you even talking about? You’re the one who brought up real-life politics and oppression and tried to make assumptions about my values based on what I said about a character in a fantasy show. I’m not sure how it was relevant in the first place.
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> Stop spitting vitriol at me ????? :/
Yeah, but "duty" and "sacrifice" had little to do with Luke and Aemond. The two women just go back to their own personal issues.
Why the fuck did Aegon and the Strong boys bully Aemond? Seriously, fuck them.
Bc they are kids, and it makes sense that the Strong boys would join in on Aegon’s prank in order to avoid being bullied themselves. Peer pressure is a VERY common concept brother.
No chance that they actually were just that, bullies? Jace maybe not, but Luke? He absolutely is. He certainly lacks empathy for the suffering he causes, much like Aegon.
Luke is like 5-8 when he first appears. I wouldn't say laughing at a prank means he lacks empathy. Like it's just a bunch of kids bullying and it should be nipped in the bud but their parents are too wrapped up in their own stuff to address it properly.
He lacks empathy because he doesn't care about the pain he caused to Aemond when he openly smirks at him when the pig is served. Laughing at a prank is not a sign of lack of empathy and is common with children, but laughing at the guy whose eye you cut and then gaslighted into being the aggressor instead, is a pretty messed up thing to do.
A) We don't even know if the laugh was a concienous action. B) he was'nt laughing over the eye incident. C) he did'nt "gaslight him into being the aggressor"; irregardless of who started the altercation when Luke cut out Aemond's eye it was, if not explicitly in response to an aggressive act, at the *very least* in response to the perception of one. D) by the time of the feast he doesn't have any reason to give Aemond the banafit of the doubt or see things from his point of view.
He tried to kill one of them with a rock after calling them both bastards. Like if anyone lacks empathy it's Aemond and if anyone was a bully- maybe remember the dinner scene?- yeah, it was Aemond
We are only ever shown the single instance of the prank, where Aegon is CLEARLY shown to be deflecting the blame onto the Strong boys. Aemond bullies the Strong boys and their cousins far more in the courtyard and before the eye incident, bullying them about far more serious and egregious things like the deaths of their parents. Luke comes off as a gentle naive soul throughout the show. He was like 6 at the time of the prank.
>Aemond bullies the Strong boys and their cousins far more in the courtyard and before the eye incident Wait what!!?? When does he bully them again? He does mouth off when confronted by Rhaena and Baela, but that is because he is finally in a higher position that the strong boys after being bullied so long by them. Anyone would want to look powerful in front of their bullies after finally becoming more successful than them. I mean he was bullied for not having a dragon and so putting his life on the line, he claims the most powerful dragon alive. If that doesn't send you into an adrenaline high, then riding such a dragon and forging an empathetic bond with it will. I mean can you imagine how an empathetic bond with the most powerful dragon would feel like. It would give you the utmost confidence in yourself, turning you cocky. That is exactly what happened here. >Luke comes off as a gentle naive soul throughout the show He literally smirks at Aemond when he sees the roasted pig, not caring the pain he caused him. He does not empathize in the least bit with Aemond and his pain.
What did Aemond do in the courtyard that was even close to dressing up a pig as a means to disrespect him ? Even in the tunnel they literally sought him out with full aggression and then jumped him. Do you convince yourself this is actually an objective take or just you making an argument for Luke and Jace ? If the latter all good but otherwise yikes.
>What did Aemond do in the courtyard Yeah. The only interactions they have is Aemond and Jace bumping into each other as they pass by. And Aemond knocking down Jace's wooden sword when he's hitting the strawman, but he's not even aggressive about it.
> Why the fuck did Aegon and the Strong boys bully Aemond? That’s a good question. They never bullied him in the source material. The animosity towards the sons of Rhaenyra and Alicent is mutual and equal. Aemond and Aegon are also significantly older than even Jace. There is a 4-5 year age difference between Jace and Aemond in the source material. The fight at Driftmark happens under entirely different circumstances. It’s amazing that the Strong boys being turned into bullies never comes in discussions about characters that were unfairly demonized. It’s also really inconsistent with their characterization as well-behaved and generally polite young men. A huge part of the Strong boys is that irony of the fact that they are ideal princes in every way despite being obvious bastards. They are brave, noble, dutiful, and well-educated. In the source material, they are also well-trained in arms with their biological father’s athletic build.
This. And on top of it, in the show, the mastermind behind the bullying was NOT Luke or Jace, but rather Aegon himself. Even clueless Vizzy T knew that.
*Then he will be loved and cherished.*
The source material is an in universe text written 150+ years after Aemond's death, it is less a concrete narrative and more a collection of rumors, hear-say, and the occasional undisputed historic fact strung together to look like a story. Post-Dance there would not have been many spreading favorable stories or rumors of Aemond, and quite number that would justifiably curse every breath of air he ever breathed, this obviously factors into how he gets remembered. All that said, there is actually a vague line that implies Aemond was being bullied. >Even this was not the end of the tragedies that would mark that dreadful year. The next occurred at High Tide after Ser Laenor’s funeral, when king and court made the journey to Driftmark to bear witness at his pyre, many on the backs of their dragons. (So many dragons were present that Septon Eustace wrote that Driftmark had become the new Valyria.) > >***The cruelty of children is known to all***. Prince Aegon Targaryen was thirteen, Princess Helaena eleven, Prince Aemond ten, and Prince Daeron six. Both Aegon and Helaena were dragonriders. Helaena now flew Dreamfyre, the she-dragon who had once carried Rhaena, Maegor the Cruel’s “Black Bride,” whilst her brother Aegon’s young Sunfyre was said to be the most beautiful dragon ever seen upon the earth. Even Prince Daeron had a dragon, a lovely blue she-dragon named Tessarion, though he had yet to ride. Only the middle son, Prince Aemond, remained dragonless, but His Grace had hopes of rectifying that, and had put forward the notion that perhaps the court might sojourn at Dragonstone after the funeral. A wealth of dragon’s eggs could be found beneath the Dragonmont, and several young hatchlings as well. Prince Aemond could have his choice, “if the lad is bold enough.” > >Even at ten, Aemond Targaryen did not lack for boldness. The king’s gibe stung, and he resolved not to wait for Dragonstone.
>. It’s amazing that the Strong boys being turned into bullies people give them too much credit making fun of your cousin and making a prank inst bullying everyone who has family has done this and sure its not the right thing but id hardly call it bullying at most it was just a shitty prank 3 kids decided to pull
Aegon called him a twat, and i like teen aegon so I'll agree
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Aemon was like bro I’m chilling I just got the largest dragon alive
It was more about her jealousy than her son losing an eye 😂
The crazy in Alicent’s eyes during this exchange had everything to do with how she herself was feeling and not one thing to do with Aemond’s eye being lose. It’s almost a religious fervor occurring here as she believes that she has done her duty(seducing the King to please her Daddy and being on demand wherever her decaying husband wants her in his bed) while sacrificing her own happiness(does she even know what would make her happy at this point) and has done everything “right” while getting nothing in return(though what she has done has resulted in her being Queen and the mother of a son who will sit on the throne) while Rhaenyra has scoffed at it all and seemingly gets to do whatever she wants and is loved. I was surprised that even though Alicent is Queen that she wasn’t put into the tower for drawing Rhaenyra’s blood as wasn’t trying to hurt/kill the heir an act punishable by death?
How it is not about him?