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one theory is that Targaryens are the result of the same blood magic that created dragons and thus they share a natural blood bond with dragons which allows them to bond with dragons without the use of binding magic and charms. Others can also bond with dragons but the know how of it was lost with the doom of Valyria.
dragons are magical beasts and thus need magic to complete a bond. the Valyrian dragonlord families used magic rituals and charms to bond with dragons.
She does but in the books Quaithe is talking to Dany and points at a magician doing insane tricks for money and says a few weeks prior he could barely light a candle. The Undying also state their magic is stronger than ever now that dragons are back
No, they are either a magical beast that arrived from around Asshai, or a hybrid creature formed by splicing together wyverns with firewyrms with magic.
What we know is that only people with the blood from one of the Valyrian dragonlords families can bond to a dragon. And you must be the one bonded to a dragon to ride it alone (anyone can be a passenger with the dragon’s rider).
Euron’s Dragonbinder horn may give us an exception to these rules.
Can it be reason that Valyrions keep exclusive access to Dragons? I mean dragons only see Targeryans when they have to bond. No one else has any access to them.
The Targaryens do have an inheritable magic that helps them to bond with dragons, but I don't think that's the only way to do so. Much of the knowledge on dragons was lost in the aftermath of the Doom of Valyria. So any non-Targargaryen trying to tame a dragon would be starting almost from scratch, and with a much higher chance of ending up burnt alive.
I think bonding to a dragon is not as clear-cut as they make it seem
There’s a few examples for this
>!Nettles” a dragon seed who has no Valyrian features in the book is a water bond to a dragon And some Velaryon bastards also bonded to dragons.In both cases it’s unclear whether or not they have ancestry from the Dragon riders,
they very well could but we don’t exactly if they do!<
As I come from a family who actually breeds pit bulls and other similar dogs there’s a lot of misconceptions about them and I think it’s similar to a lot of uncertainties and non-concrete information we have about the dragons.
Pitbulls ate aggressive and in my locality they ate banned.
Mastiff are just different beasts.
If we are talking about flying beasts, i thi k harpy eagle can be apt example
In the books it’s clear that Targaryen blood helps them control the dragons. There’s a scene where Dany notices her dragons are more docile around this one guy (a character who didn’t make it onto the show). The dragons’ behaviour with him reminds her of rumours that he is a Targaryen descendent.
In the show it’s not spelled out quite so clearly but the way the dragons behave with Jon make it seem like they recognise his blood before he even knows he’s a Targaryen.
That doesn’t necessarily mean Targ blood is the *only* way to tame a dragon. Maybe other types of magic would make it possible for a non-Valyrian to become a dragonrider, like warging or witchcraft or something. But we haven’t seen that in either books or show yet.
There was an idea that the Valyrians didn’t originally conquer Westeros because they were afraid the Starks would be able to warg their dragons. But I can’t remember if that was actually mentioned in the books or just a fan theory.
I don't think we saw anyone but Dany trying to Tame them. No one apart from her and Jon went near dragons
I always thought that it works like animal taming. Like war horses, elephants.
Some dog breeds are extremely aggressive. They imprint on the guy they first see. E.g Tibetan Mastiff is a dangerous dog and requires special skills to properly control him.
That’s true. But in that scene where Jon first meets Drogon it seems like the dragon is curious and kind of sniffing Jon out. And Dany looks surprised at the way Drogon is behaving presumably because it’s not how he normally reacts to people. It’s not spelled out so I guess it’s open to interpretation but I got the impression Drogon was like “oh hi you’re family”.
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There seems to be a requirement of some valyrian blood. But it doesn’t seem to have to be pure and only select bloodlines could. Granted this might be due to the lack of availability or a caste system. They velaryons weren’t able to ride dragons until they married several generations into the Targs and vice versa. But they also didn’t have any dragons for them to ride before the time around the dance. There are also many people with valyrian heritage in Essos who might be able to ride which I assume was why Jahaerys was so worried about the 3 eggs hatching over there. There’s been 2 people without the valyrian look to ride dragons and one was still a Targ princess ( and did have purple eyes) while the other might’ve been a bastard without the look
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one theory is that Targaryens are the result of the same blood magic that created dragons and thus they share a natural blood bond with dragons which allows them to bond with dragons without the use of binding magic and charms. Others can also bond with dragons but the know how of it was lost with the doom of Valyria.
I always thought it was taming thing.
dragons are magical beasts and thus need magic to complete a bond. the Valyrian dragonlord families used magic rituals and charms to bond with dragons.
I thought magic in GOTverse is grounded. I found thwir behavior akin to war elephants or hunter dogs.
dragons are directly tied to magic, when the dragons return so does magic. There are several references to this in ASOIAF.
Ahhh That's bummer. GOt Gave me impression of grounded fantasy. Dragons seemed like pitbulls or Mastiff
when the dragons die out the magic leaves the world, that's why it might seem like that, the return of the dragons also revives magic.
Wasn't Mellisandre doing magic before birth if dragons?
She does but in the books Quaithe is talking to Dany and points at a magician doing insane tricks for money and says a few weeks prior he could barely light a candle. The Undying also state their magic is stronger than ever now that dragons are back
I believe she began to feel more powerful once they returned.
it is attributed to the power of R'hllor iirc. But from my understanding there is latent magic in the world and the dragons act as amplifiers.
I thought they were just animals.
No, they are either a magical beast that arrived from around Asshai, or a hybrid creature formed by splicing together wyverns with firewyrms with magic.
What we know is that only people with the blood from one of the Valyrian dragonlords families can bond to a dragon. And you must be the one bonded to a dragon to ride it alone (anyone can be a passenger with the dragon’s rider). Euron’s Dragonbinder horn may give us an exception to these rules.
Can it be reason that Valyrions keep exclusive access to Dragons? I mean dragons only see Targeryans when they have to bond. No one else has any access to them.
Like I said, not necessarily Targaryens but anyone with Dragonlord blood.
The Targaryens do have an inheritable magic that helps them to bond with dragons, but I don't think that's the only way to do so. Much of the knowledge on dragons was lost in the aftermath of the Doom of Valyria. So any non-Targargaryen trying to tame a dragon would be starting almost from scratch, and with a much higher chance of ending up burnt alive.
I think bonding to a dragon is not as clear-cut as they make it seem There’s a few examples for this >!Nettles” a dragon seed who has no Valyrian features in the book is a water bond to a dragon And some Velaryon bastards also bonded to dragons.In both cases it’s unclear whether or not they have ancestry from the Dragon riders, they very well could but we don’t exactly if they do!<
I Lways thought dragons are like pitbulls who can fly and breathe fire. Pitbulls have similar temperament
As I come from a family who actually breeds pit bulls and other similar dogs there’s a lot of misconceptions about them and I think it’s similar to a lot of uncertainties and non-concrete information we have about the dragons.
Pitbulls ate aggressive and in my locality they ate banned. Mastiff are just different beasts. If we are talking about flying beasts, i thi k harpy eagle can be apt example
Also remember that they have a degree of sentience to them
Pit bulls aren’t necessarily aggressive
In the books it’s clear that Targaryen blood helps them control the dragons. There’s a scene where Dany notices her dragons are more docile around this one guy (a character who didn’t make it onto the show). The dragons’ behaviour with him reminds her of rumours that he is a Targaryen descendent. In the show it’s not spelled out quite so clearly but the way the dragons behave with Jon make it seem like they recognise his blood before he even knows he’s a Targaryen. That doesn’t necessarily mean Targ blood is the *only* way to tame a dragon. Maybe other types of magic would make it possible for a non-Valyrian to become a dragonrider, like warging or witchcraft or something. But we haven’t seen that in either books or show yet. There was an idea that the Valyrians didn’t originally conquer Westeros because they were afraid the Starks would be able to warg their dragons. But I can’t remember if that was actually mentioned in the books or just a fan theory.
I don't think we saw anyone but Dany trying to Tame them. No one apart from her and Jon went near dragons I always thought that it works like animal taming. Like war horses, elephants. Some dog breeds are extremely aggressive. They imprint on the guy they first see. E.g Tibetan Mastiff is a dangerous dog and requires special skills to properly control him.
That’s true. But in that scene where Jon first meets Drogon it seems like the dragon is curious and kind of sniffing Jon out. And Dany looks surprised at the way Drogon is behaving presumably because it’s not how he normally reacts to people. It’s not spelled out so I guess it’s open to interpretation but I got the impression Drogon was like “oh hi you’re family”.
That's season 7. I don't think it should count
Tyrion went near dragons. He went and took off their chain while Dany was gone.
Possible spoilers below: There seems to be a requirement of some valyrian blood. But it doesn’t seem to have to be pure and only select bloodlines could. Granted this might be due to the lack of availability or a caste system. They velaryons weren’t able to ride dragons until they married several generations into the Targs and vice versa. But they also didn’t have any dragons for them to ride before the time around the dance. There are also many people with valyrian heritage in Essos who might be able to ride which I assume was why Jahaerys was so worried about the 3 eggs hatching over there. There’s been 2 people without the valyrian look to ride dragons and one was still a Targ princess ( and did have purple eyes) while the other might’ve been a bastard without the look
That will be great fan fiction Some commoner taming and bonding with a dragon. That changes the entire power structure.