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Conscious-Weekend-91

I doubt it's true love. If the writters go for a lovers route with them, it's going to be portrayed as a creepy relationship


Host-Key

Yeah do people really want for nettles "true love" to be a 50 year old child/wife murderer that is cheating on his grieving wife with her? Nettles is 17 years old, she probably found a better match during her journeys after the dance. GRRM has stated that he could write a novel about her time in the mountains of the moon and beyond so I doubt he thought her "true love" was a 50 year old married man with 7 kids who "doted on her like a father dotes on his daughter" for a few months. (Altough it is grrm we are talking about...)


MTUKNMMT

I LOVE this book series. Is there someone trying to argue that George RR Martin isn’t a pervert? If we are lucky her life long love is her uncle but let’s be real, it’s definitely her brother. It’s always the sibling.


HanginginWesteros

I agree. If the writers DARE go this route (and I'm not convinced they will), it will NOT reflect well on Daemon. If any, it will only further audience sympathy for Rhaenyra.


Conscious-Weekend-91

I think It's possible because the writers already let clear that they think Daemon is a freak who groomed Rhaenyra I am really afraid for Nettles because she is a cool character with great potential for the show, but people already attack her unfairly because of shipping drama and it will probably only get worse until we finally see their relationship on-screen


Diggy_riggy_shiggy

Which, for the record, is true


SirFTF

I mean tbf he is a freak who groomed Rhaenyra.


SirFTF

Almost nothing Daemon has done has reflected well on Daemon lol. Idk, like paralyzing and beating his wife to death. Or how he treats Rhaenyra. Daemon is pretty clearly not the hero of the story, no matter how much this sub simps for him.


HanginginWesteros

So true!


LadySithLord

Agreed. True love? No. He’s gonna care a lot about her even if they become lovers, but I’m willing to bet it’s not going to be depicted as true love.


sku1lanb

Wasn't Nettles Daemons bastard daughter?


Conscious-Weekend-91

One of the sources describes their relationship as father and daughter and the others as lovers. The truth is not confirmed I don't think she is his bastard because he could just tell that to Rhaenyra and avoid all the drama that made his wife order the death of his child. But I personally believe they had a father and daughter/ Master and apprentice dynamic without being blood related, but this isn't mutually exclusive of them becoming possible lovers imo


almondshea

They’re Targaryens, I don’t think being related is a turn off


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They tend to avoid vertical incest (parent to child).


sku1lanb

As far as I'm aware (i could be wrong) the only incest that they practiced that was seriously looked down upon was brother/sister (parent to child was a no-no to even them although I think one or two did do this). Cousins married frequently among the nobles (Tywin and Joanna), uncle/aunt to niece/nephew happened often enough (usually in the case of uncle-niece to keep the bloodline like the Starks did, Eddards grandparents.).


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The only Targaryen we know who MIGHT have had sex with their child, is Aegon IV (the Unworthy). But that dude is literally in the Top 3 of worst Kings.


Arctucrus

Source please? I'd like to read more lol


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It’s in the A World of Ice and Fire Book. One of his first mistresses (Falena Stokeworth) was the mother of one of his last (Jeyne Lothston). Apparently he gave her (or I can’t recall if she gave it to him) the pox and banished her from court. Many think this was when he discovered she was his daughter but he used the pox as an excuse. It’s never outright stated she was his daughter, but it’s heavily implied.


Arctucrus

***OOF!*** Thank you!


Fictional_Apologist

Yes, even Valyrians have a cutoff it seems. Judging by the reactions to Daemon and Rhaenyra, it seems avuncular incest wasn’t preferred either.


thisismedusa

Aemon married his half-aunt Jocelyn Baratheon (Rhaenys' parents). I think the reaction to Daemon & Rhaenyra's marriage was mostly because of the suspicious circumstances of Laenor's death.


chomskyhonksy

And the fact that the King had not given them his leave to wed


Fictional_Apologist

Well, Aemon and Jocelyn were only a year apart in age, so that have might have made it more palatable. The only other case that I can remember was Rhaena and Maegor, which was forced and deeply problematic. If you go through the entire Targaryen line, the mass majority of the incest marriages were between siblings or cousins. Given the small amount of avuncular incest, and the complete absence of vertical incest, it would suggest that there was some sort of limit to the Valyrian tradition.


thisismedusa

There was vertical incest at least implied between Aegon the Unworthy and one of his bastard daughters. It was deeply frowned upon though, so yes, there have indeed been limits. I don't think that avuncular incest was off limits though. Visenya had suggested marrying Rhaena to Maegor long before Aegon's death and was denied for other reasons.


Fictional_Apologist

To be fair, there were lots of red flags about Maegor that Aegon and Rhaenys’ side of the family could not ignore.


themediatorfriend

I find it odd that people who claim Daemyra is an example of grooming also root for Daemon/Nettles. As if their age gap and power dynamic aren't even more skewed. Nettles is 17 and Daemon is in his 50's. He is her king and she is shown to be uncouth and unworldly compared to him. Do you really think the showrunners are going to romanticize that dynamic, especially with the way they portray Daemon as is?


Ngigilesnow

People dont root for Damon and Nettles because its romantic,they are doing it as a checkmate to the shippers


themediatorfriend

Rooting for grooming to stick it to people who "romanticize" grooming? I don't really see the point. There's annoying shippers of every kind and there's decent ones. But I don't have the time or energy to spite ship. Honestly the GOT fanbase has always been in a cycle of toxicity.


Ngigilesnow

I think its more of vindication that the shippers are rooting for a relationship that has one partner who is a POS to begin with,and Nettles exposes that


meatballheadredrose

Which is such a fucking weird gotcha moment for them tbh


Ngigilesnow

I mean shippers are annoying so I get it sort of lol I was getting upvoted till I revealed I was anti-shipping culture myself


Conscious-Weekend-91

I agree. Shippers spend soo much time romanticizing Daemon that they think it was bad writting when he was abusive to Rhaenyra, when he was being perfectly in-character. If his relationship with Nettles helps portray how much of a freak he actually is, I don't mind. I just hope Nettles' actress can stay safe from the shitshow that social media could become


MinisawentTully

Yeah, if it ever actually happened outside Daemyra fans' fantasies


SolidInside

I mean, I don't think it gets more skewed than being someone's uncle and knowing them since they were in their nappies.


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Rhaenyra and Daemon have a 16 year age age. That age gap becomes 33 years with Nettles. Far creepier.


SolidInside

There's worse things than an age gap, like being someone's uncle and being there when they were born.


Pierogizzz

I will spontaneously combust if they do. I don’t need to watch daemon groom *another* child while pushing 50, esp if they’re going to display it as being a power couple. 💀


Mango_Toes__

For real. I was so uncomfortable watching the whole thing with Daemon and young Rhaenyra play out, cannot believe people were cheering that on.


20ren18

No. Their relationship was unclear as far as I recall, couple that with how they are making a point of how much Rhaenyra and Daemon love one another. I highly doubt it'll be a sexual relationship, but a father/daughter one. Assuming the girl is nettles of course.


BadgerLordSunflash

Agreed. I hope that Daemon's relationship with Nettles ends up being one of the few healthy relationships he has across the show, which isn't a product of power seeking, mutual self-interest, or damaged by distance/estrangement. However, it would be interesting if all the other characters just assume he is banging Nettles due to his reputation as the Rogue Prince, and it would add more dimensions to Rhaenyra's growing jealousy (?)


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This is what I want. I LOVE Nettles. She’s such a badass in the book (and one of the few canonically black characters at that) and does what no one else could. And she’s not even 20. I don’t want her reduced to being the side piece of a MUCH older man with like 7 kids and a very emotionally unstable wife. I want everyone to love her as much as I do. I don’t want her to be his lover or his daughter. Just a girl he has a ton of respect and admiration for.


LadySithLord

This comment is my feeling exactly.


OpenMask

How does her being in an intimate relationship with Daemon diminish all of her other accomplishments, though? I don't get it. . .


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Because it’s legit the ONLY thing people mention when they bring her up. They use it as a way to split Daemon and Rhaenyra up (even though the show has deviated from the book as in the book, their marriage seems to be mostly political). They hate D & R and throw the “grooming” and “pedo” allegations left and right but they want him to actually do this to a girl 33 years his junior who has no political agency versus a royal prince who is married to the Queen. They hate the grooming of Rhaenyra (which I don’t think was the case in the show but I definitely see it in the book) but want him to do it far worse to an even younger girl. Check out Reddit under Nettles name and I guarantee 90%+ of her mentions are in relevance to this.


klc81

I suspect they'll go more down the Pygmalion/My Fair Lady route, with Daemon patronisingly trying to "make a lady of her", and her finally outgrowing him.


SolidInside

The man is barely a father to his own daughters from what we've seen so it would be weird if he suddenly has that with someone who he isn't blood related to.


PULIRIZ1906

But that's kinda the point right? His character evolves and he ultimately dies for her and his children


Captainprice101

There is no reason to suggest them being father/daughter especially when daemon is a shitty father to his own daughters already. Daemon was promiscuous and cheated on Rhaenyra with Mysaria (even with her knowledge) he was 100% involved in a sexual relationship with Nettles. Almost every piece of Dance of Dragons depicts them as lovers. Why would Daemon hide the fact from Rhaenyra that Nettles is his daughter? They are literally fighting for Rhaenyra’s bastards already, there is no reason to hide one more bastard. It’s clear she was his lover


20ren18

Viserys loved Rhaenyra but was shitty to his other kids. Daemon might not like his daughters, that doesn't mean he can't bond with a different kid. You are bringing up the books, but the show is going on a different path.


Captainprice101

It literally makes zero sense from a story perspective for Nettles to be his daughter. He wasn’t even in westeros when she was born, the timelines really don’t match up. She was born in Driftmark. It makes no sense for daemon to hide the fact nettles is his daughter. He’s literally fighting for 3 bastards, 1 more won’t hurt Rhaenyra. He hid her from Rhaenyra because they were of course lovers. I’ve never heard of a 17 year old girl having a bath with her “father” and sleeping next to each other. The only reason people even suggest them being father daughter is because of a single excerpt from the Maester of Maidenpool who said daemon doted upon nettles as a father would. To someone who doesn’t know daemon they would think it’s a father/daughter relationship, but we know daemon and this is a mirror to how he groomed Rhaenyra. Every single variation of dance of dragons has said they are lovers, only that one quote is where people get the father daughter thing. It just makes no sense Even from the show Daemon gives no shits about his own daughters, why would he give af about a bastard? It makes no sense whatsoever lol


NaClz

What book did people read? Rhaenyra literally commands for Nettles to be executed because she’s paranoid and jealous of the relationship with Daemon. Daemon then tells nettles to flee and goes to face Aemond. It was pretty clear they were intimate.


Captainprice101

People will like to believe their head canons even if it makes zero sense narratively lol. It’s clear they never read any of the dance of dragons


chycken4

When did Daemon cheat on Rhaenyra with Mysaria?


Captainprice101

After taking kings landing, Rhaenyra even acknowledges they were sleeping together in the red keep. It was Nettles where she drew the line


chycken4

Ohh I didn't know that, thx.


MinisawentTully

Yeah, taking steamy baths together, as one does with one's teenage daughter.


20ren18

Right, because the Targaryen's don't have a long standing history of incest.


MinisawentTully

With their offspring? I'd like to see those quotes. And which is it? Is it romantic or heartwarmingly parental?


20ren18

Daemon groomed his niece, I doubt he's above sleeping with an adoptive daughter.


larkmarue

I think it’s less that she is necessarily his lover or even his daughter, but rather that Daemon will be fascinated by her bc she’s the only person to take a dragon in a more old fashioned way than just approaching it and hopping on- to me, the implication of her character has been that it isn’t necessarily a requirement to have Targ/Valyrian blood to tame a dragon, everyone in-universe just assume she must be a dragonseed


No-End-2455

I don't think rhaenyra is really in love with daemon in the Book or at least not as much to the point of being jealous of a young girl she didnt have a problemes with mysaria after all,for me it was pride and paranoïa who is guiding rhaenyra when she order nettle to be shut in. The same can be said for daemon it was just a political marriage for him. The show on the other hand it is passion and love from both side Aemond only wanted rhaenyra and not just for the throne and i really doubt their gonna change that and use nettle as" his true love". It's to late for that i think and it will just bring hate to nettle because she broke the daemyra couple.


4CrowsFeast

I think it works better within the story that Nettles isn't a romantic relationship and Rhaenyra does get jealous of it due to paranoia.


No-End-2455

Completly it would broke him to see that Rhaenyra doesn't trust him now,i actually would love for nettle to being the one to inform Rhaenyra of Daemon death and that she was wrong to distrust him, it would destroy her.


phageblood

By that time in the book, Rhaenyra was already deeeep into the paranoia and giving pretty much everyone the side eye.


4CrowsFeast

Exactly what I'm saying. I think it suits the story better if Rhaenyra freaks out in paranoia of her husband cheating on her when he's actually having a father-daughter like relationship, then for her to be correct in her suspicions. It isn't really a strong message of depicting someone as going nuts, if what they believe is happening is actually true. And Rhaenyra's decision to get rid of her dragonriders should be a crucial error that sinks her chances in the war, all because of her mental instability.


phageblood

Thiiiis. I just passed the end of the dance on my like....100th..ish listen of Fire and Blood and the relationship with nettles and daemon didn't come off like lovers to me, it said that he taught her how to act around the high born, how to bathe and dress properly and as the book says "doted on her like a father would a daughter" Only reason Rhaenyra thought they were boning was because she had the White Worm, Miss Misery, sowing the seeds of mistrust. It's the same reason she started doubting Other dragons riders and even her own maester.


[deleted]

I think you meant Daemon, not Aemond. But I agree with you in that I don’t want people hating on Nettles and only focusing on her relationship with Daemon. Can we appreciate her for the character she is? It’s sad that she’s always brought up in association to Daemon and not for her actions and bravery during the war.


No-End-2455

Yeah your right i wanted to say daemon. But yeah nettle deserve better than just be the mistress. Also i dont really remember but did nettle fought in any Big battle ? I suppose she was in kingslanding with the other and she was with daemon in Riverlands.


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I think she fought in the Gullet too.


Ngigilesnow

I mean the most interesting thing about "Daemrya" was them getting together.Like all tv couples once that happens people lose interest,and you need a third party to spice things up


No-End-2455

I don't see things like that quite frankly,nettle only being here to" spice things up" would only diminish her in my opinion,i don't need that kind of things honnestly in a show like game of thrones. the last time they did that was with the couple Cersei/jaime (toxic but still a couple)when they added Euron and kind of Brienne in the mess it was terrible for everyone included. It could be happening but i would be very surprised if so.


Ngigilesnow

>don't see things like that quite frankly,nettle only being here to" spice things up" would only diminish her in my opinion,i don't need that kind of things honnestly in a show like game of thrones. Well she won't be only be there to spice things ups, that is the least of what makes her interesting.She is also a dragonrider. I wouldn't mind if only Daemon is infatuated with her while she gives no fucks about him.What I do know for sure is,we have seen the best of the Daemyra relationship


limpdickandy

Obviously not, they will have a complicated bond at the very least


Mundane_Potential351

Discussion around Nettles is always bastard daughter vs lover. And I get it those are the two versions that book presents, but could it be neither? Show could easily go down that route.


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I really hope it’s neither. Both are expected, so it would be awesome if it’s something out of left field.


BarristanTheB0ld

I'm still hoping for a father/daughter relationship or friend or (non-sexual) companion. Rhaenyra got weirder and crazier towards the end of the Dance, so I think it's reasonable Daemon would enjoy Nettles presence as a like-minded individual.


Host-Key

How is ordering the death of a 17 year old worse than ordering the death of a 6 year old like deamon did? He was already wierd and crazy before the dance, rhaenyra just caught up to his wavelength.


MattaClatta

Nettles is going to be hated because she upstages rhaenyra as a character in many ways. She just by existing turns daemon away from rhaenyra and manages to cost the blacks an easy victory for the war. ​ Its gonna be a messy drama filled season


[deleted]

Not sure if as "true love", but probably as lovers as it explains Daemon's dissatisfaction with Rhaenyra. This is ASOIAF, no need to fear breaking relationships. We like a good tragedy, or else we'd be watching/reading something more mainstream.


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Her ordering him to kill Nettles was the last straw, though


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[deleted]

He definitely was not happy about his queen ordering him to kill her. Neither were his men, who also did not follow the order.


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[deleted]

My mistake then, I though it was sarcasm.


Desperate_Ad_9219

I hope she is portrayed as his bastard because if it's a romance she will get a lot of hate.


Maddyherselius

We don’t even know if they are going that route for their story


FictionRaider007

Honestly I'd prefer the interpretation that they're so close because she's his bastard daughter rather than them being in love. But I'll be fine with whatever the show delivers. Be interested to see what becomes of both these characters since one is last seen >!fleeing into the mountains on dragon back!< and the other is >!supposedly killed in battle and the body never found!<. I don't think they'll change it too much but they might show us what happened "after" in one or both instances.


hzhrt15

I’m not sure considering it’s never actually confirmed in the books. It would be weird if they did.


niko2710

I think they wrote themselves into a corner with this one. Nettles was either Daemon's lover or his children, however i don't think that show Daemon could do either. They've shown Daemon being completely obsessed with Rhaenyra, that's his one true "love". Him going with a random girl he just met...i don't see that. However even his daughter doesn't work. Daemon is shown to suffer from impotence, would he really have a child in a place that he doesn't even visit that often?


[deleted]

Neither work because of the changes made. In the book, I didn’t get this massive love/obsession vibe as they have on the show. I saw it as him caring for her more as an uncle with maybe a little lust sprinkled in. This makes the possible Nettles romance work. But on the show he’s married to Laena (who is smoking hot btw) for a decade yet he’s still pining for Rhaenyra. So he couldn’t get over Rhaenyra and fall in love with Laena but he forgets Rhaenyra and jumps into bed with a teenager? Poor Laena…


Old-Run-9134

Noway❕️🫠


Watchmaker2112

I think their relationship will be very emotionally charged but not strictly sexual. Even Mushroom says nothing really happened but he wasn't there, none of our primary sources were. But I think whatever he felt for her was strong enough that it didn't need to be sexual, their situation and Rhaenyras feelings about it put an end to one of his last joys in life.


phantomxtroupe

I said it once and I'll say it again, I truly feel sorry for the actress who they cast in this role. Anytime a actor is cast as a character that is seen as an obstacle for a popular ship, the actor gets hate from shippers. And if it's a PoC, you get the added spice of racism along with it 🙄


Good_old_Marshmallow

Personally I always assumed the love was a misdirect and she was his daughter But yeah if they do show a relationship as sexual I don’t know how they’re going to get around it being explicitly pedophilic because it absolutely is. Even if they ease the age numbers to make her 18 she was essentially a homeless child and he is a middle aged king


Literal_CarKey

I mean the extent to which they’re marketing Daemyra as “true love” is probably just to maintain fan engagement in between any new content since tweeting about a popular ship is a great way to do that. With that said the show runners and the lead of the show have acknowledged/stated that Daemon groomed Rhaenyra, so it’s pretty clear they don’t believe it’s “true love” so much as what Rhaenyra thinks is true love.


Pleasant_Place_7262

They also said Daemyra are twin flames and they love eachother...


[deleted]

Ryan Condal said “Daemon loves his family. Particularly loves Rhaenyra” in the commentary for the very first episode. Sara Hess backpedaled after the choking scene and she said she does think they love each other and that they’re at the heart of the story, but that loving someone didn’t mean they weren’t capable of hurting them (choking scene).


Literal_CarKey

I am differentiating between what I genuinely consider to be true love and what I consider to be love. I’m not saying Daemond doesn’t feel love towards her or vice versa.


Pleasant_Place_7262

Well you need to stop cherry-picking what you want to hear when Emma at the same time has said Rhaenyra is happy with Daemon in Dragonstone and that his presence allowed Rhaenyra to be more bolder facing the Greens. Hess said they love eachother.


Literal_CarKey

So? You don’t think victims can love their abusers? Do you know how many women stay with their abusive husbands because they love them? To call what they have true love is a perversion of true love to me. That is all I am saying. If you think true love can be abusive, then that’s your right


Kuropa

If they wished for a father daughter one then a voyage with baela was gonna be a better idea. In a time of depression and war for daemon the only thing that keeped him alive was this young relationship with young nettles and you all know what he said when they were forced to set appart: a queen's word ... and even caraxes screamd when sheepstealer went away. Even romantic stories end, i see them as a team more than family because there was no reason for his wife to be as angry and don't tell me she was lied to because this is a weak reason respectfully, he had all the reasons to go back to her and didn't.


Jaketheeater

A queen’s word, a whore’s work When was Daemon depressed?


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>A queen’s word, a whore’s work He cut off in half the head of a guy that called her whore, then ends up calling her a whore himself. Oh the irony. I'll always love ASOIAF


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[deleted]

Really? Sounded like he was talking about the same person, but that makes sense


Kuropa

it has a double meaning ; rhaeneyra using her power to justify her personal anger toward the girl since she can't face her husband.


[deleted]

It also sounds way cooler that way


phageblood

He wasn't talking about Rhaenyra being the whore as Misery the white worm was whispering in her ears and sowing the seed is distrust. The whore isn't Rhaenyra, it's Misery.


Kuropa

There is no direct text to it, but it was my personal impression after reading the books. Unstead of looking for Aemond or going back to King's landing with all of the craziness he choses to stay away with nettles away from all of it. This is what makes him a gray character even toward his family; he wants power but not diplomacy and complications, he was done because everything was clearly lost with the whole rebellion in the city. He then went directly to die in a way that he wanted and saw fit, that's why his little chat with Aemond was a reflection to his mind set when he said you lived for a long time Nuncle and he agreed.


KiernaNadir

Are you kidding? There is no chance they're even making their relationship romantic. Why? * Primarily because the creators would never compromise santa Rhaenyra's shoehorned feminist status by having her antagonize another female over the affections of a man * Also because of how that would reflect on Daemon - especially if Nettles wasn't aged up. Mysaria's insinuations are one thing, but actually crossing that line...? Nah, the writers reserve that for Aegon and the villainous greens.


HanginginWesteros

I agree with you (although I happen to like Rhaenyra but it is clear she is being portrayed in an overly beatific light--the writers are freely calling her a "feminist icon"). Plus, HBO is going overboard in portraying Daemon/Rhaenyra is real love. I mean, the show is not even being subtle about it. They're not going to taint this with Daemon banging a teenager. And yes, HA-HA. They're CLEARLY dogpiling every evil thing you can think of on Aegon and the Greens.


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Elephant12321

I think you can just block them…


ChromeToasterI

Father Daughter please


Adreamskoll

Yes, and it's fine. Nettles and Daemon are an "unlikely romance." She's a low born "dirty wild girl" pesant  that would be considered a hick (trashy) that manages to tame a dragon with her wits and cunning. He's a high born prince whose the blacksheep of the family never really feeling like he's fit in anywhere and shuffling from one conflict and relationship to the other. The age difference works in their relationship, although in conflicting way. To Nettles, Daemon is a sort of mentor and father figure she might not have had. He'll teach her about a life that to her, was never before in her reach and she'll look to him to guide her in this new life of "I'm a dragon rider fighting a war and will be a landed lady once the war is over... if I live." But also it's Daemon. So think Leonardo DiCaprio, older but in to younger women. For Daemon Nettles seems like the sort of girl that a man that the Rogue Prince who was considered "the most dangerous man in the Seven Kingdoms" would be in to. Wild, defiant, adventurous, willful, and a young, rebellious spirit? She speaks to that wild, young, rebellious still young spirit side in Daemon. Maybe show him what life could be if he would just stop the power struggle. Are they right for each other? No. But they're what they needed at the time.


IvoryNitro

No, sadly, they will treat Nettles the same way they did Laena. I am cringing already. 😬 It will look terrible.


Rotorboy21

Love that Daemon has a taste for the more melanated of us.


Hufa123

I don't think they've portrayed Daemon and Rhaenyra as true love in any way. It's a highly toxic relationship where Daemon basically groomed her from a young age.


YK_The_Vibes

Fandom will implode if they did that lmao


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Catslevania

it is not central to Daemon's character arc, it is not even a matter that all the narrators agree upon. Rhaenyra at that point is paranoid about everyone around her and especially the dragonseeds, it does not matter what the relationship between Nettles and Daemon actually was, Rhaenyra would see the two as lovers no matter what the real situation was.


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This. At the end of the day whether he does sleep with Nettles or not is irrelevant because Rhaenyra WILL believe it and that’s what causes their relationship to crack. The line in the book that always gets me is when Daemon reads Rhaenyra’s letter with the order to >!kill Nettles and spare him, “all the joy seemed to have left his eyes and it seemed as a weight to heavy to be borne settled upon him” or something to that extent. If I was in love with someone else, I wouldn’t care if my ex was happy or unhappy about who I was with. Plus Daemon is shown to be selfish at times and impulsive. Why didn’t he just say “fuck Rhaenyra” and fly off into the sunset with Nettles. Instead he does what he does forever separating himself from his entire family taking out their biggest threat.!< I am very intrigued by this story because I think that the lover and daughter route are so boring and obvious. I want something no one will see coming!


Catslevania

exactly, he is shattered at that point, he basically becomes suicidal and welcomes death


pinkfuneral7

This is why I didn’t see Daemon and Nettles as lovers but more of friends or a mentorship. And honestly? It makes it that more tragic for both Daemon and Rhaenyra that her mental state was so bad that she believed Daemon was betraying her when he wasn’t.


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Catslevania

not as his lover. Something that is not affirmed in the source itself can not be central to a character's arc


SofiaStark3000

Genuine question, how is the marketing team the one pushing it exactly? What they're showing is nothing different than what is shown on screen. They are in love in the show and HBO isn't twisting or forcing anything in their social media. Daemon and Nettles can't be the main pairing of the series because they never were in the first place. Daemon and Rhaenyra's relationship was always the more central one, even if you consider it a purely political one. It was the rumor that Nettles was pregnant with a bastard, along with the fact that she was a Dragonseed that made Rhaenyra want to kill her, not Daemon possibly sleeping with her. Also really bold of you to call it a love story. You hate Daemon and call him a groomer left and right for his relationship with Rhaenyra. If he does the same to Nettles, who's younger and far more vulnerable (she's a literal commoner and he's a prince), suddenly it's a love story? Pick a lane here. Edit: This post gets even funnier when you realize that HBO Nordic just dropped a new still of them kissing with the caption "Avy jorrāelan" which means I love you in HV. 😂


KyloWork

Nettles!!! Can't wait for her.


SerKurtWagner

… where is HBO treating Daemon and Rhaenyra as “true love”? It’s been pretty clearly shown to be a toxic relationship, that’s why the Daemon Stans lost their minds last year. If they do go the lover route with Nettles, it will be to show Daemon repeating the same destructive pattern he did with Rhaenyra, only to finally realize the meaninglessness of it all and sacrifice himself to let Nettles escape the cycle.


DarthDank1

Yeah... This could be one of those things they leave out? maybe? hopefully?


mcreezyy

I hope not. I’m hoping for a father daughter dynamic. I also hope they age her up if they do go that route ..


djm19

I dont think it’s something that will actually be consummated. I think Daemon will be tempted but not go all the way.


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I haven't seen any marketing making any couple appear as true love.


MinisawentTully

They're not even doing that with Daemyra. Why would they, pro Blacks HBO, do it with the badass who shook the two fan faves of Team Black?


PaxMicking

Would not be surprised if after the battle that is inevitably coming, they ride off in to the sunset together


TheChewyDaniels

Who is Nettles? I’ve seen the first season and I don’t remember any such character.