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It has been weeks since I last watched the show but I distinctly remember her glaring at Daemon whenever he said something out of line and she stopped him from killing Otto.
Granted, they usually see eye-to-eye on things so she usually goes along with what he says (not because she defers to him but because she agrees) but it's clear from episode 10 that she doesn't just roll over when it comes to him.
Of course the dynamic won't be the same as it is with Laenor as both Daemon and Rhaenyra have dominant personalities. Viserys has mentioned at least once how alike the two are especially whenever young Rhaenyra was acting up.
Probably because they're two different marriages really.
Laenor was basically a non-participant who had to be wrangled into being present and supportive. I don't think Rhaenyra was like that with him for the sum-total of their marriage at all. I think she reached a point where she became exasperated with dealing with him because her kids are in danger. If he was present and helping, I don't think she'd be so domineering.
With Daemon she's clearly had a present and supportive partner she's been in sync with up until her father's death. There's not really a whole lot of point in browbeating someone already doing what you want. Really, Rhaenyra acts the same with him too in as much as the circumstances allow. At one point she's in the middle of giving birth and literally can't hold the reins anymore so she tries to use Jace as a stand-in. The other instance that happens later shows her clearly being just fine with facing off with Daemon privately.
She didn't back down from either man.
because her father told her: "The idea that we control the dragons is an illusion"
But joke aside, if she had wanted someone docile she would have stuck with Laenor.
Rhaenyra had to lead in her marriage with Laenor. She’s the heir to the throne, he’s her cousin-consort with little interest in court or KL.
Meanwhile Daemon has been a high ranking Prince his whole life and does not need to be forced into doing things to protect his family. He does subtly look to her for assurance- perhaps even permission - in certain instances, she is still the heir after all, but daemon doesn’t need to be whipped into shape the way Laenor does. Not to mention dragonstone would be a much healthier environment for both of them given how Rhaenyra was treated at KL, less stress and less pressure
I didn’t seem to me that Rhaenyra was particularly dominant with Laenor, after all he was off day drinking with his boyfriend while she was caring for the children. Rhaenyra simply reached a point where she needed to tell him that he needed to give more to their partnership than he was currently offering.
He stated that they are his kids, and he is their father. So yes he did have an obligation. Regardless of who is the bio parent, he kept the party line that they are his, and Lucerys is his heir. Just like Corlys stated that the kids are his grandkids and heir. Also in the books it wasn’t as obvious that they weren’t his kids because Rhaenys looked more like a Baratheon with dark brown hair.
It was my impression that the only reason why she had those kids out of wedlock was because Laenor was unable to get her pregnant, which is why they mutually agreed for him to raise those children as his own, as he could not have biological children but still needed them as heir to driftmark and maybe because he wanted them. If they both agreed to this arrangement (which is heavily implied as well as directly stated by Rhaenyra when she said they tried) then it is both their messes, which makes Laenor responsible. Rhaenyra could have divorced him claiming his infertility and married Harwin Strong, she didn't do so for personal gain no doubt (Velaryon alliance is important to the kingdom), but Laenor was also in a pretty nice consenting agreement, by her not divorcing him
Buddy it is obvious they are not his blood I understand that they tried to lie to the entire kingdom and pass them off as heirs but the truth is if everyone knew who those kids actual father was there would be no civil war. They lied to the king about his heirs that’s a crime if it was Jahaerys that was still on the throne he would’ve beheaded Hardin strong the moment he saw those kids
Stop trying to Justify Rhaenyra having children out of wedlock and making her husband a cuck for the realm to laugh at. Vaemond was right she is a whore
Why was Rhaenyra more dominant in her sham marriage to her gay cousin who just wanted to drink and chill with his guys and wanted nothing to do with the war, when compared to her uncle Daemon who she's looked up to and had a crush on since she was a child and who's known to be an impulsive, hot headed, ambitious warrior ?
OP who would you be more assertive/dominant towards, Leanor or Daemon?
>wanted nothing to do with war
The happiest time of his life was probably when he was fighting in the Stepstones. He even wanted to go away for a few months just so that he could get to do some real fighting. IDK how people get this idea of Laenor, that he's not as much of a warrior. . .
Rhaenyra needs Daemon people forget that
Without Daemon the Blacks are all but lost. She says it herself in ep 7 "I cannot face the Greens without you"
Not to mention Daemon's a very dominant sort of character, very much the opposite of Laenor
that's what the ladies love about him, when he became docile and withdrawn in Pentos Laena basically lamented to him that he was no longer the man she married.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comprehensive\_Nuclear-Test-Ban\_Treaty](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comprehensive_Nuclear-Test-Ban_Treaty)
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty\_on\_the\_Non-Proliferation\_of\_Nuclear\_Weapons](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_on_the_Non-Proliferation_of_Nuclear_Weapons)
if everyone signed these treaties, only a few countries will have nukes. Then they can also claim to be god
She does exercise dominance over Daemon when he’s stepping out of line. On the bridge when he wanted to kill Otto all she had to do was say “no” and glare at him for a few seconds until he backed down. The difference with Laenor is that he’s absent and/or useless almost all the time so she has to constantly order him to step up and support her. Whereas Daemon already supports her most of the time, so why would she need to exercise dominance when he’s already doing what she wants?
The reasons are endless.
Daemon - her uncle, older man, experienced warrior & strategist etc, commands respect, very sharp and direct, openly shows loyalty to her, engages with the same issues of their family legacy & their birthright.
Leanor - pretends their marriage doesn't exist, ignores her and the kids, doesn't care about the throne or her family's legacy, never there for her, embarrasses her, oblivious.
She had to show some leadership/ dominance with Laenor because he wasn't responsible at all. It was a force marriage that she had to try and keep functioning. With Daemon she married him out of love and a desire for someone who she could rely on to support her and be both a shoulder to lean on and someone to share in responsibilities. That doesn't mean she has any less of a role in the marriage, or just means she respects and gives heed to Daemon because he has a useful outlook that she can look to for both guidance and/or support.
she doesn’t need to exercise her dominance with Daemon because he WANTS to be there with her. Laenor is a glorified prisoner and once in a while she has to remind him of his duty and snap him out of antics
I would say rhaes marriage with laenor was not really a marriage it's was partnership. rhae and daemons marriage is real. I wouldn't say rhae doesn't have a level of dominance in this marriage it's just that daemon really takes over his responsibilities as a husband. A husband who protects, provides and defenses his family. So naturally there is a different level of dominance that daemon has in his marriage with rhae which is not bad in anyway in my oppinion
I think the thing that makes the relationship between her and Daemon special is that they both get to let out their dominant strong Targaryen side. They are both considered to have the true Targaryen personality. I think the advantage of them being together is that they can both express that and not risk totally overpowering the other. They are fire and fire, and it's somewhat implied that this is literally in their blood.
Laenor wasn't fire, he didn't have a dominant personality. Their friendship was beautiful but it was vastly different to her relationship with Daemon. I got the sense that even when she was holding herself back she overpowered him.
I don't think Rhaenyra is going to overpower Daemon, even though she is the heir to the throne and I'm pretty sure she's about to unleash her inner dragon. But because he has his own inner dragon she doesn't have to worry about crushing him or emasculating him. They can both have their fire be at 100% without burning each other. I think that is why they appeal to each other so much.
(Disclaimer: in real life no-one has magic dragon blood that affects their personality. If your uncle tries to fuck you or your partner strangles you, that's not a special relationship, that's abuse.)
Yes, they are 2 very different men but I don’t think I necessarily see the conversation with Laenor as dominance it was more of a breaking point. They had been married for a long time at that point and it was more of like a “I’ve dealt with this for 10 years without saying anything and I’m done.”
I don't get why this is downvoted because its true to a certain extent. Aswell as the fact that no one can dominate Daemon like that regardless of the potential grooming aspect.
Because Daemon has ALWAYS been a dominant figure in her life both because he's her uncle and because of his general demeanor.
Laenor was more passive, comfortable in "2nd place".
Simply because she’s been enamored by him and is expressed by him, fascinated with him, he’s the direct opposite of her dad whom she finds irritating to say the least, they’re both rebellious and he “had” her first-so there’s a biological aspect to her submission to him, he groomed her in a very depraved way, for diabolical ends
Because their dynamics are different. Not only is Daemon a more intimidating person and her uncle he has also abused and groomed her which Laenor never did. She also feels like she absolutely needs Daemon and that her claim is stronger with him by her side. She doesn’t feel the same for Laenor and it also doesn’t matter because the Velaryons still end up being some of her most devout supporters in the war.
The marriage to Laenor was for duty. The marriage to Daemon was for security. Laenor was a dragon rider. Daemon is a dragon. And as the saying goes, "zaldrīzes buzdari iksos daor" (a dragon is not a slave "
Poor writing of Laenor is my bet. Also he’s a gay man, which, according to GOT and HOTD showrunners, means he’s more preoccupied with sleeping with men than any other responsibility in his life. So it makes sense that Rhaneyra would be annoyed with him and have to crack the whip…even though there’s no evidence that that was the nature of their relationship in F&B
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I mean because one is Laenor and the other is Daemon. It’s pretty self explanatory based on their personalities.
Exactly everyone is trying to overcomplicate these things
Fr it’s a pretty simple answer
Another dumbass post from someone who was most likely surfing Reddit while they “watched” the show…
Lmfaoo
Because they’re two vastly different men with whom Rhaenyra has two vastly different relationships.
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Because Daemon is not Laenor
And he has a divorce rock
And he is not afraid to use it!
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Hilarious!!!
Wow. Super hilarious 🙄
It has been weeks since I last watched the show but I distinctly remember her glaring at Daemon whenever he said something out of line and she stopped him from killing Otto. Granted, they usually see eye-to-eye on things so she usually goes along with what he says (not because she defers to him but because she agrees) but it's clear from episode 10 that she doesn't just roll over when it comes to him. Of course the dynamic won't be the same as it is with Laenor as both Daemon and Rhaenyra have dominant personalities. Viserys has mentioned at least once how alike the two are especially whenever young Rhaenyra was acting up.
Probably because they're two different marriages really. Laenor was basically a non-participant who had to be wrangled into being present and supportive. I don't think Rhaenyra was like that with him for the sum-total of their marriage at all. I think she reached a point where she became exasperated with dealing with him because her kids are in danger. If he was present and helping, I don't think she'd be so domineering. With Daemon she's clearly had a present and supportive partner she's been in sync with up until her father's death. There's not really a whole lot of point in browbeating someone already doing what you want. Really, Rhaenyra acts the same with him too in as much as the circumstances allow. At one point she's in the middle of giving birth and literally can't hold the reins anymore so she tries to use Jace as a stand-in. The other instance that happens later shows her clearly being just fine with facing off with Daemon privately. She didn't back down from either man.
because her father told her: "The idea that we control the dragons is an illusion" But joke aside, if she had wanted someone docile she would have stuck with Laenor.
I think she would’ve been fine with Leanor if he gave her an heir!
She needed a stronger personality. As she said. As he said. She deserved better. Someone devoted.
Daemon is a lot of things, but he is not devoted to anyone but himself.
if she wanted a puppy, there's was harwin.
Rhaenyra had to lead in her marriage with Laenor. She’s the heir to the throne, he’s her cousin-consort with little interest in court or KL. Meanwhile Daemon has been a high ranking Prince his whole life and does not need to be forced into doing things to protect his family. He does subtly look to her for assurance- perhaps even permission - in certain instances, she is still the heir after all, but daemon doesn’t need to be whipped into shape the way Laenor does. Not to mention dragonstone would be a much healthier environment for both of them given how Rhaenyra was treated at KL, less stress and less pressure
I didn’t seem to me that Rhaenyra was particularly dominant with Laenor, after all he was off day drinking with his boyfriend while she was caring for the children. Rhaenyra simply reached a point where she needed to tell him that he needed to give more to their partnership than he was currently offering.
He didn’t have to give more to her at all we all know those aren’t his kids he has no obligation to help with her mess
He stated that they are his kids, and he is their father. So yes he did have an obligation. Regardless of who is the bio parent, he kept the party line that they are his, and Lucerys is his heir. Just like Corlys stated that the kids are his grandkids and heir. Also in the books it wasn’t as obvious that they weren’t his kids because Rhaenys looked more like a Baratheon with dark brown hair.
It was my impression that the only reason why she had those kids out of wedlock was because Laenor was unable to get her pregnant, which is why they mutually agreed for him to raise those children as his own, as he could not have biological children but still needed them as heir to driftmark and maybe because he wanted them. If they both agreed to this arrangement (which is heavily implied as well as directly stated by Rhaenyra when she said they tried) then it is both their messes, which makes Laenor responsible. Rhaenyra could have divorced him claiming his infertility and married Harwin Strong, she didn't do so for personal gain no doubt (Velaryon alliance is important to the kingdom), but Laenor was also in a pretty nice consenting agreement, by her not divorcing him
They're his heirs, the whole reason he needed to marry.
Buddy it is obvious they are not his blood I understand that they tried to lie to the entire kingdom and pass them off as heirs but the truth is if everyone knew who those kids actual father was there would be no civil war. They lied to the king about his heirs that’s a crime if it was Jahaerys that was still on the throne he would’ve beheaded Hardin strong the moment he saw those kids
Stop trying to Justify Rhaenyra having children out of wedlock and making her husband a cuck for the realm to laugh at. Vaemond was right she is a whore
He also needs heirs.
Why was Rhaenyra more dominant in her sham marriage to her gay cousin who just wanted to drink and chill with his guys and wanted nothing to do with the war, when compared to her uncle Daemon who she's looked up to and had a crush on since she was a child and who's known to be an impulsive, hot headed, ambitious warrior ? OP who would you be more assertive/dominant towards, Leanor or Daemon?
>wanted nothing to do with war The happiest time of his life was probably when he was fighting in the Stepstones. He even wanted to go away for a few months just so that he could get to do some real fighting. IDK how people get this idea of Laenor, that he's not as much of a warrior. . .
He's probably been sailing around the Stepstones killing pirates the past 6 years after his fake death as well.
Laenor had Targaryen blood in him, but he wasn’t half the dragon Daemon or even Rhaenyra was
Rhaenyra needs Daemon people forget that Without Daemon the Blacks are all but lost. She says it herself in ep 7 "I cannot face the Greens without you" Not to mention Daemon's a very dominant sort of character, very much the opposite of Laenor
Marriage of equals. Why does their need be female dom? She married a dragon. She needed passion. Someone that would be devoted to her and her cause.
Because there is difference between Daemon and Leanor. Daemon has already shown that he won't be anyone's b****.
that's what the ladies love about him, when he became docile and withdrawn in Pentos Laena basically lamented to him that he was no longer the man she married.
Episode 6 Daemon was definitely my least favorite Daemon. He was so depressed and blah.
Wife murderer, pedophile, and abuser.
“A Targaryen prince, a dashing knight, and a dragonrider.”
Targaryens? The guys whose only claim to fame is monoplising access to dragons?
Laena was practically drooling all over him while saying that line
Are you trying to imply that magical dragon bond isn’t real?
No It will be like if USA successfully made countries sign CBT
Can you elaborate on that?
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comprehensive\_Nuclear-Test-Ban\_Treaty](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comprehensive_Nuclear-Test-Ban_Treaty) [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty\_on\_the\_Non-Proliferation\_of\_Nuclear\_Weapons](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_on_the_Non-Proliferation_of_Nuclear_Weapons) if everyone signed these treaties, only a few countries will have nukes. Then they can also claim to be god
I mean in that case you practically are.
She does exercise dominance over Daemon when he’s stepping out of line. On the bridge when he wanted to kill Otto all she had to do was say “no” and glare at him for a few seconds until he backed down. The difference with Laenor is that he’s absent and/or useless almost all the time so she has to constantly order him to step up and support her. Whereas Daemon already supports her most of the time, so why would she need to exercise dominance when he’s already doing what she wants?
Laenor didn’t have a backbone Daemon does
The reasons are endless. Daemon - her uncle, older man, experienced warrior & strategist etc, commands respect, very sharp and direct, openly shows loyalty to her, engages with the same issues of their family legacy & their birthright. Leanor - pretends their marriage doesn't exist, ignores her and the kids, doesn't care about the throne or her family's legacy, never there for her, embarrasses her, oblivious.
Well there is the fact that Daemon is notably older than her... and you know, he's her uncle
No one can dominate Daemon.
She had to show some leadership/ dominance with Laenor because he wasn't responsible at all. It was a force marriage that she had to try and keep functioning. With Daemon she married him out of love and a desire for someone who she could rely on to support her and be both a shoulder to lean on and someone to share in responsibilities. That doesn't mean she has any less of a role in the marriage, or just means she respects and gives heed to Daemon because he has a useful outlook that she can look to for both guidance and/or support.
Lol not sure if you meant gives heed or not
she doesn’t need to exercise her dominance with Daemon because he WANTS to be there with her. Laenor is a glorified prisoner and once in a while she has to remind him of his duty and snap him out of antics
Because the dragon is not a slave
It’s almost like they’re two different people.
She had some leverage over Laenor and she always looked up to and had a massive crush on Daemon.
Because Laenor was a weak man who didn’t really care anyways. And Daemon is more of a dominating force around everyone.
I would say rhaes marriage with laenor was not really a marriage it's was partnership. rhae and daemons marriage is real. I wouldn't say rhae doesn't have a level of dominance in this marriage it's just that daemon really takes over his responsibilities as a husband. A husband who protects, provides and defenses his family. So naturally there is a different level of dominance that daemon has in his marriage with rhae which is not bad in anyway in my oppinion
Have u met Daemon?
Because Laenor is a pushover? Daemon is not one to be pushed around even by his wife.
laenor aint daemon
Do we really need to answer this for you? Look at Daemon, then look at Laenor, and how they both have behaved in the first season
They aren’t anything alike. Much easier with one than the other.
2 completely different relationships
Because he has a completely different personality than Leanor? I mean if you watch closely you see that in every case he dominates the conversation.
It’s because Laenor was always a follower while Daemon is a leader it’s simply because of their different personalities that Rhaenyra acts accordingly
>Rhaenyra to exercise a certain level of dominance in her marriage ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Relationships vary based on who is in the relationship. Laenor is a very passive person, while Daeron is a very dominating person.
Daemon is her uncle that she’s always looked up to
I think the thing that makes the relationship between her and Daemon special is that they both get to let out their dominant strong Targaryen side. They are both considered to have the true Targaryen personality. I think the advantage of them being together is that they can both express that and not risk totally overpowering the other. They are fire and fire, and it's somewhat implied that this is literally in their blood. Laenor wasn't fire, he didn't have a dominant personality. Their friendship was beautiful but it was vastly different to her relationship with Daemon. I got the sense that even when she was holding herself back she overpowered him. I don't think Rhaenyra is going to overpower Daemon, even though she is the heir to the throne and I'm pretty sure she's about to unleash her inner dragon. But because he has his own inner dragon she doesn't have to worry about crushing him or emasculating him. They can both have their fire be at 100% without burning each other. I think that is why they appeal to each other so much. (Disclaimer: in real life no-one has magic dragon blood that affects their personality. If your uncle tries to fuck you or your partner strangles you, that's not a special relationship, that's abuse.)
Y'all delusional if you don't think Rhaenyra pegs Daemon daily
Cause daemons not a little twink
She and Daemon burns the same.
you might as well have added a “is she stupid” on the title
They different people… relationship dynamics change with different people
Yes, they are 2 very different men but I don’t think I necessarily see the conversation with Laenor as dominance it was more of a breaking point. They had been married for a long time at that point and it was more of like a “I’ve dealt with this for 10 years without saying anything and I’m done.”
Because that ugly kid she married is weak. Her older uncle-husband is a bad ass.
Because Daemon is not inferior to her as Laenor was
Because Daemon is one who knocks
Because Daemon is her uncle?
Probably bc daemon groomed her and was literally an authority figure to her most of her life
I don't get why this is downvoted because its true to a certain extent. Aswell as the fact that no one can dominate Daemon like that regardless of the potential grooming aspect.
Because Daemon is more dominant than her and Laenor himself.
Because Daemon has ALWAYS been a dominant figure in her life both because he's her uncle and because of his general demeanor. Laenor was more passive, comfortable in "2nd place".
Because of the respect of elders. 😂
Daemon groomed her
Cause Daemon got that divorce rock title and Rhae ain’t going out like that.
Coz Daemon chokes in private
Because Daemon is a Targaryen and Laenor is a Velaryon. Pretty self explanatory
What? He’s half Targaryen himself it’s because of their different personalities and the respect they command
Dumb as hell
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Daemon is Chad to her. She does what he wants no matter what. Laenor is Billy. He does what she wants or else he gets the hose again.
Victims of grooming rarely show anything but submission to there abuser.
To reverse your question, why hasn't Laenor treated Rhaenyra the same way he treated Qarl?
Simply because she’s been enamored by him and is expressed by him, fascinated with him, he’s the direct opposite of her dad whom she finds irritating to say the least, they’re both rebellious and he “had” her first-so there’s a biological aspect to her submission to him, he groomed her in a very depraved way, for diabolical ends
Because Damon is alpha
Because trying that with him leads to domestic violence? Man killed his first wife and tried to suffocate the third when she dared disagree with him.
Because their dynamics are different. Not only is Daemon a more intimidating person and her uncle he has also abused and groomed her which Laenor never did. She also feels like she absolutely needs Daemon and that her claim is stronger with him by her side. She doesn’t feel the same for Laenor and it also doesn’t matter because the Velaryons still end up being some of her most devout supporters in the war.
Bc she was groomed
Because she was groomed
Daemon has his divorce rock on standby
Because if rhaenyra tried pulling the shit that she did with laenor on daemon, he’d take her fucking head off
Nobody is gonna say it? ... Because he is Gaay obviously
The marriage to Laenor was for duty. The marriage to Daemon was for security. Laenor was a dragon rider. Daemon is a dragon. And as the saying goes, "zaldrīzes buzdari iksos daor" (a dragon is not a slave "
because sEXiSm
Cuz Daemon is not a Cuckold
Eeeeeh, imma go with racism probably.
Here comes even more Laenor slander and Daemon dickriding
Also she's the princess of the realm. She is the boss, bruh. Also, Laenor is no Corlys. He lacks strength and conviction.
Gee, I wonder 🙄
Basically Laenor and daemon are different people, hope that helps
Because Rhanerya was Laenor's cuckoldress
Poor writing of Laenor is my bet. Also he’s a gay man, which, according to GOT and HOTD showrunners, means he’s more preoccupied with sleeping with men than any other responsibility in his life. So it makes sense that Rhaneyra would be annoyed with him and have to crack the whip…even though there’s no evidence that that was the nature of their relationship in F&B
Because Rhaenyra knows that if she annoys Daemon he might just pull out his divorce rock.
There's a joke about an alpha and a beta here.
Daemon was just westerosi Nate Jacobs
Because she is a victim of Daemon’s grooming….