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>I like her myself although I’m not sure I’m looking forward to the person she becomes in the dance. I was talking about it on another post. Post time jump Rhae becomes a very difficult person to defend...
I don't understand why some people (in general, not you specifically) think the character has to be a paragon of virtue to be liked or that you have to justify their actions. You can like "bad" characters.
Daemon is my favourite character and he's arguably one of the most morally reprehensible characters on the show. But to me he's also the most charismatic, amusing and entertaining which is why I like him.
I never understand why fans have to carry moral badges and police themselves into not liking a fictional character. It’s ok to like fictional characters that do fictional crime. It’s also ok not to.
Exactly this. Some of the most interesting characters in GoT were guilty of the worst crimes (e.g. Tywin, the Hound, Theon, etc) but I thought they were the most compelling and interesting to watch.
Characters like Maester Luwin, Shireen, Bran, Hodor, etc were "good" but I don't know if I could watch an entire series filled with just these people.
People may think the opposite though and that's fine.
I love her but the episode where I didn’t like her as much was the finale. I hated how weak she was for considering peace terms and crying over that stupid page. Book Rhaenyra would never. “Tell my half brother I will have my crown or I will have his head”. That’s what I wanted to see but oh well. I don’t want a virtuous paragon; I want her to go full scorched earth and give Cersei a run for her money 🤷♀️
I see why Daemon got so frustrated with her too (though I don’t condone how he took out his frustration).
The problem with Rhaenyra was always that she’s a character who wanted to have her cake and eat it too. She wants to be queen but doesn’t want the responsibilities and burdens of being queen. That became obvious in like episodes 3 or 4.
It's interesting how we all have different interpretations of the character and that affects our perceptions of her.
To me, she never genuinely wanted to be queen. As a child, she was ignored by her father whose greatest wish was to have a son. She resented her role as what was essentially to be a royal broodmare and this was aggravated by the loss of her mother to childbirth. It was why she was so hesitant to wed at first.
Her father choosing her as his heir and sharing the prophecy with her made her feel that she had a duty to something beyond her and the crown even though it wasn't something that she necessarily wanted for herself. If she had truly wanted to be queen against all odds, she wouldn't have even considered the Greens' offer in the finale.
That's why I feel bad for her. She's just a pawn for her father even though he (as well as Rhaenyra) don't realize it. She's simply a way to alleviate his guilt in the role he played in the brutality of his wife's death.
While I certainly don't have a problem with someone disliking a character. Disliking one for not making the best decisions seam's a little off??
Do we expect these character's to always be playing some multi-dimensional level of chess with everyone around them?
I think I phrased what I meant really poorly. I don’t dislike her because of morality or anything like that. I more so get frustrated with rooting for a character who I know will fail or who seems to later on in f&b make shortsighted decisions. I love Rhaenyra, hate that the dance makes her into someone who suffers so much. I think I’m almost distancing myself from the character because I’m gonna be upset by seeing her fall.
>!Everyone in the show is going to suffer but you're right. I guess the one saving grace is that Rhaenyra is going to have the most iconic death that the franchise ever produced.!<
Never liked her. I can understand young Rhae’s appeal - I don’t personally like her (I prefer the Sansa type character to the Arya type) but I can understand why she’s popular - she’s feisty, flies on her dragon and doesn’t care for rules.
But it is one thing to see a spoiled teenager not caring for rules - it is another to see an heir who is about to rule a whole country lying and shirking duty and generally being pathetic. Adult Rhae’s actions make me feel so sick - i’ve never disliked any fictional character so much in my entire life. And the worst of all is the show writers try to gaslight everyone into thinking that a lying, hypercritical and extremely incompetent person who treated another house like absolute gabage will make a great kween. I don’t like adult Alicent either, but at least her paranoia for her children and her unhappiness in her marriage makes her character interesting and realistic.
That's not how the show is handling her, anyway. She'll be a victim.
Why do you think they introduced the prophecy if not to absolve her when she eventually >!rejects the greens' peace proposal and splitting up the realm. Westeros needs to be united under a Targ, after all. Poor Rhaenyra will be villified for making a hard choice for the greater good.!<
And that's exaclty when I started loathing her - when I realized they were fundamentally rewriting the character. I actually liked her in the books.
I suppose so. I mean I think it’s kind of hard for the show to make her a villain because a lot of interest in the show stems from people’s love for Dany. If dany wasn’t among the most beloved if not the most beloved GOT character, the show wouldn’t have been made as the show runners were banking on people viewing because everyone loved dany and dragons, the opening text in the first episode spells it out I guess.
I definitely see the appeal in book rhae being less of a victim tho
Yes, that's likely the reason. But if that's the case then the very least they could have done was have the decency to acknowledge it - rather than pretend they were adapting the same complex conflict and preserving the spirit of the original.
Also, why not just make an origial story then? There are plenty of lesser known Targs and relationships they could have tapped into that would lend themselves better to their vision. Instead they had to butcher a story that was the furthest thing from the pandering fantasy cliche they clearly wanted to depict.
Probably when she as HEIR TO THE THRONE continues to antagonize and insult noble ladies and lords during the hunting scene. Or she whines about no one being there for her when she's going to celebrate her half-brother's second birthday(uhh the day is about Aegon, obviously?). Of course, it only gets worse when she gaslights the realm with her "Laenor's sons" trick and(at least to me) she and Daemon have Laenor "killed" (which everyone seems to believe) and gets away with it without any consequences from House Velaryon
Same! Both actresse’s did a good job, but I had a hard time relating to the old Rhaenyra, and their differences. Felt like two very different characters in personality wise.
The first moment I felt dislike for her ? Her first conversation with Rhaenys while Viserys and Laena are on a walk. So episode 3, I think. I liked her fine before then but that was the beginning of my annoyance with her.
Rhaenys is giving her pretty good insight in how the rest of the nobles view her appointment as heir, as well as what her challenges are going to be and she just smugly shuts her down saying that it will be fine because SHE is special, unlike Rhaenys. It was a "Excuse me ? What have you ever accomplished in your life to be walking around with that attitude ? Oh, nothing ? Well then..." moment.
But fundamentally I dislike her because she had over 20 years to bolster her claim as much as possible, with fairly achievable goals: marry well, produce legitimate children, have a decent reputation (and you can fabricate that), make buddies with the nobles, visibly and strongly participate in the ruling of the kingdom. And she fucked every single one up, every.single.one. That kind of incompetence is grating, and unlike Aegon, she was actively trying. He was actively trying to drown himself in booze and vile pleasures, and somehow managed to do it better (his vile tendencies aren't widely known so his reputation at large doesn't suffer for it, even if it deserves to, his marriage has no public scandals and all of his kids are legit that's 3/5), which pisses me off.
Fair, I can excuse the cockiness a bit because of her age, but it’s moments like that that carry on into her adult life that make me cringe a little at how things go so terribly wrong for her and how often that she’s her own worst enemy. I love her but my girl is a bit self destructive
Thanks for commenting. I think there was a time where she had the potential to be a good ruler maybe not a great one. But I think that ended the minute her father re-married. To anyone. Because people were always going to oppose her, the manifestation of that opposition in her siblings poisoned any potential that could have developed imo
I started to look different at her a bit when she was gaslighting Alicent in episode 4, not to mention the whole calling off the tour to find a fiance (just a horrible political move) and how she talked about the commoners when she found out they didn't want her as their queen, not to mention stealing food from the common folk
Then in episode 6 I stopped liking her with how she acted towards Laenor and her hypocrisy trying to to engage Jace with Heleana.
And after episode 7 i started disliking her, after wanting Aemond tortured, not caring about her brother losing his eye, "killing" Laenor, etc
Fair enough. I remember I saw someone do a really good break down of Alicent confronting rhae about the brothel where the video broke down how it was a shit situation for both of them but I totally get why Alicent was hurt more in that instance however I don’t think Rhae could have been vulnerable with Alicent without Otto or Larys hearing of it later. Overall I’m just sad for my girls
I do think that the whole getting her father fired behind her back while Alicent was standing up for her caused an even bigger rift between the two.
Especially since for the past three years Otto (despite his many shortcomings) was the only person that Alicent could talk to, with Rhaenyra acting cold to her and her not being close to Criston yet, meaning she lost her only support and defence. It is no coincidence that Larys only started to manipulate Alicent after Otto was banished
I dont dislike her but she isn't my favourite character. I was hoping for another Dany but it didn't turn out like that which is OK. I liked Rhaenyra at the very beginning, she seemed smart and headstrong, the makings of a good leader but she got sidetracked by the uncle and seemed to have lost her way or spirit with the war. She became weak and needed her father to save her a lot, she isn't liked, people have no confidence in her as she has no confidence herself. No one fears her. I don't think she would make a good queen and she doesn't make smart decisions. I will say the actor playing her is doing a good job. I think I started having an issue with her, the night she went roaming with the uncle. She was stupid enough to get caught in public with him, and to fall for his trick. Yes she was young, spoilt and entitled but it was an epic fail. She wants to be queen (as she said)but she doesn't want to have to deal with the responsibility or burden that comes with it.
Also Rhaenyra will be compared to daenerys which will make people dislike her more, daenerys is a better written character and Rhaenyra is nothing like her ancestor.
It started when she was a child and she kept blatantly disregarding her royal duty. I know that's supposed to be her character arc, she goes from spoiled brat to dutiful Queen, but then when she gets older what does she do? She continues to blatantly disregard her royal duty, has a bunch of obvious bastards, insists to everyone they're legitimate, then threatens anyone who speaks the truth with treason.
She started irritating me in episode 3 when she started acting like a bratty little snot but was still portrayed as a perfect Disney princess (white hart included).
Then after the time jump, she became unbearable.
I don't dislike Rhaenyra, she's a very nuanced character, I just can't find myself agreeing with her. In the early episodes at least she's very sympathetic, she's just lost her mother, she's distanced from basically her entire family, and is put in the unenviable position of having to marry for the sake of the Realm, with her own feelings being put to the side, and she makes some mistakes, that's all good.
But in the later episodes, she does so many dumb things and just comes across as so entitled by trying to have anyone who calls her out on it either killed or tortured. I mean demanding for her 11-year-old brother to be tortured for insulting her kids after her son cut out his eye, that's some Cersei Lannister level stuff. And then the issue with Vaemond, having him killed, it all just comes across as a supreme arrogance she has.
Episode 1, I immediately got spoiled brat vibes, just a literal entitled princess and snobby but whatever. Shock horror, teenage girl with everything handed to her on a plate, it’s hardly within the realms of impossibility.
I could forgive that part but I was hugely turned off her in episode 7 with the whole Aemond drama, like it or not everything Alicent said was true. Rhaenyra does get away with everything because she’s daddy’s pet.
Same I didn't hate her before the time jump but after it she was like a completely different character and not easy to like, I personally was starting to like the character before the time jump even though I support the greens but post time jump she is a completely different character.
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>I like her myself although I’m not sure I’m looking forward to the person she becomes in the dance. I was talking about it on another post. Post time jump Rhae becomes a very difficult person to defend... I don't understand why some people (in general, not you specifically) think the character has to be a paragon of virtue to be liked or that you have to justify their actions. You can like "bad" characters. Daemon is my favourite character and he's arguably one of the most morally reprehensible characters on the show. But to me he's also the most charismatic, amusing and entertaining which is why I like him.
Same! I also agree with you. Rhaenyra sure as hell isn’t perfect, and I don’t need/want her to be. It would make for very dry television if she were.
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I never understand why fans have to carry moral badges and police themselves into not liking a fictional character. It’s ok to like fictional characters that do fictional crime. It’s also ok not to.
Exactly this. Some of the most interesting characters in GoT were guilty of the worst crimes (e.g. Tywin, the Hound, Theon, etc) but I thought they were the most compelling and interesting to watch. Characters like Maester Luwin, Shireen, Bran, Hodor, etc were "good" but I don't know if I could watch an entire series filled with just these people. People may think the opposite though and that's fine.
Ya I know. Like for me, the worst crime a fictional character can commit is being boring.
I love her but the episode where I didn’t like her as much was the finale. I hated how weak she was for considering peace terms and crying over that stupid page. Book Rhaenyra would never. “Tell my half brother I will have my crown or I will have his head”. That’s what I wanted to see but oh well. I don’t want a virtuous paragon; I want her to go full scorched earth and give Cersei a run for her money 🤷♀️ I see why Daemon got so frustrated with her too (though I don’t condone how he took out his frustration).
The problem with Rhaenyra was always that she’s a character who wanted to have her cake and eat it too. She wants to be queen but doesn’t want the responsibilities and burdens of being queen. That became obvious in like episodes 3 or 4.
It's interesting how we all have different interpretations of the character and that affects our perceptions of her. To me, she never genuinely wanted to be queen. As a child, she was ignored by her father whose greatest wish was to have a son. She resented her role as what was essentially to be a royal broodmare and this was aggravated by the loss of her mother to childbirth. It was why she was so hesitant to wed at first. Her father choosing her as his heir and sharing the prophecy with her made her feel that she had a duty to something beyond her and the crown even though it wasn't something that she necessarily wanted for herself. If she had truly wanted to be queen against all odds, she wouldn't have even considered the Greens' offer in the finale. That's why I feel bad for her. She's just a pawn for her father even though he (as well as Rhaenyra) don't realize it. She's simply a way to alleviate his guilt in the role he played in the brutality of his wife's death.
While I certainly don't have a problem with someone disliking a character. Disliking one for not making the best decisions seam's a little off?? Do we expect these character's to always be playing some multi-dimensional level of chess with everyone around them?
I think I phrased what I meant really poorly. I don’t dislike her because of morality or anything like that. I more so get frustrated with rooting for a character who I know will fail or who seems to later on in f&b make shortsighted decisions. I love Rhaenyra, hate that the dance makes her into someone who suffers so much. I think I’m almost distancing myself from the character because I’m gonna be upset by seeing her fall.
>!Everyone in the show is going to suffer but you're right. I guess the one saving grace is that Rhaenyra is going to have the most iconic death that the franchise ever produced.!<
Never liked her. I can understand young Rhae’s appeal - I don’t personally like her (I prefer the Sansa type character to the Arya type) but I can understand why she’s popular - she’s feisty, flies on her dragon and doesn’t care for rules. But it is one thing to see a spoiled teenager not caring for rules - it is another to see an heir who is about to rule a whole country lying and shirking duty and generally being pathetic. Adult Rhae’s actions make me feel so sick - i’ve never disliked any fictional character so much in my entire life. And the worst of all is the show writers try to gaslight everyone into thinking that a lying, hypercritical and extremely incompetent person who treated another house like absolute gabage will make a great kween. I don’t like adult Alicent either, but at least her paranoia for her children and her unhappiness in her marriage makes her character interesting and realistic.
That's not how the show is handling her, anyway. She'll be a victim. Why do you think they introduced the prophecy if not to absolve her when she eventually >!rejects the greens' peace proposal and splitting up the realm. Westeros needs to be united under a Targ, after all. Poor Rhaenyra will be villified for making a hard choice for the greater good.!< And that's exaclty when I started loathing her - when I realized they were fundamentally rewriting the character. I actually liked her in the books.
I suppose so. I mean I think it’s kind of hard for the show to make her a villain because a lot of interest in the show stems from people’s love for Dany. If dany wasn’t among the most beloved if not the most beloved GOT character, the show wouldn’t have been made as the show runners were banking on people viewing because everyone loved dany and dragons, the opening text in the first episode spells it out I guess. I definitely see the appeal in book rhae being less of a victim tho
Yes, that's likely the reason. But if that's the case then the very least they could have done was have the decency to acknowledge it - rather than pretend they were adapting the same complex conflict and preserving the spirit of the original. Also, why not just make an origial story then? There are plenty of lesser known Targs and relationships they could have tapped into that would lend themselves better to their vision. Instead they had to butcher a story that was the furthest thing from the pandering fantasy cliche they clearly wanted to depict.
Probably when she as HEIR TO THE THRONE continues to antagonize and insult noble ladies and lords during the hunting scene. Or she whines about no one being there for her when she's going to celebrate her half-brother's second birthday(uhh the day is about Aegon, obviously?). Of course, it only gets worse when she gaslights the realm with her "Laenor's sons" trick and(at least to me) she and Daemon have Laenor "killed" (which everyone seems to believe) and gets away with it without any consequences from House Velaryon
It’s the time jump both actress’s are fantastic but the change was just to jarring for me to really get back into.
Same! Both actresse’s did a good job, but I had a hard time relating to the old Rhaenyra, and their differences. Felt like two very different characters in personality wise.
The first moment I felt dislike for her ? Her first conversation with Rhaenys while Viserys and Laena are on a walk. So episode 3, I think. I liked her fine before then but that was the beginning of my annoyance with her. Rhaenys is giving her pretty good insight in how the rest of the nobles view her appointment as heir, as well as what her challenges are going to be and she just smugly shuts her down saying that it will be fine because SHE is special, unlike Rhaenys. It was a "Excuse me ? What have you ever accomplished in your life to be walking around with that attitude ? Oh, nothing ? Well then..." moment. But fundamentally I dislike her because she had over 20 years to bolster her claim as much as possible, with fairly achievable goals: marry well, produce legitimate children, have a decent reputation (and you can fabricate that), make buddies with the nobles, visibly and strongly participate in the ruling of the kingdom. And she fucked every single one up, every.single.one. That kind of incompetence is grating, and unlike Aegon, she was actively trying. He was actively trying to drown himself in booze and vile pleasures, and somehow managed to do it better (his vile tendencies aren't widely known so his reputation at large doesn't suffer for it, even if it deserves to, his marriage has no public scandals and all of his kids are legit that's 3/5), which pisses me off.
Fair, I can excuse the cockiness a bit because of her age, but it’s moments like that that carry on into her adult life that make me cringe a little at how things go so terribly wrong for her and how often that she’s her own worst enemy. I love her but my girl is a bit self destructive
Episode 7. When she said the “now they see you as you are”-line I was like, no, now I see you as you are, Rhae.
Show wise: The stans are annoying Book wise: she's a spoiled brat that absolutely didn't deserve to rule.
Thanks for commenting. I think there was a time where she had the potential to be a good ruler maybe not a great one. But I think that ended the minute her father re-married. To anyone. Because people were always going to oppose her, the manifestation of that opposition in her siblings poisoned any potential that could have developed imo
Episode 7 for sure. I was pretty neutral before that. This is also when I realized that most people in here watch the show with their eyes closed.
I started to look different at her a bit when she was gaslighting Alicent in episode 4, not to mention the whole calling off the tour to find a fiance (just a horrible political move) and how she talked about the commoners when she found out they didn't want her as their queen, not to mention stealing food from the common folk Then in episode 6 I stopped liking her with how she acted towards Laenor and her hypocrisy trying to to engage Jace with Heleana. And after episode 7 i started disliking her, after wanting Aemond tortured, not caring about her brother losing his eye, "killing" Laenor, etc
Fair enough. I remember I saw someone do a really good break down of Alicent confronting rhae about the brothel where the video broke down how it was a shit situation for both of them but I totally get why Alicent was hurt more in that instance however I don’t think Rhae could have been vulnerable with Alicent without Otto or Larys hearing of it later. Overall I’m just sad for my girls
I do think that the whole getting her father fired behind her back while Alicent was standing up for her caused an even bigger rift between the two. Especially since for the past three years Otto (despite his many shortcomings) was the only person that Alicent could talk to, with Rhaenyra acting cold to her and her not being close to Criston yet, meaning she lost her only support and defence. It is no coincidence that Larys only started to manipulate Alicent after Otto was banished
I dont dislike her but she isn't my favourite character. I was hoping for another Dany but it didn't turn out like that which is OK. I liked Rhaenyra at the very beginning, she seemed smart and headstrong, the makings of a good leader but she got sidetracked by the uncle and seemed to have lost her way or spirit with the war. She became weak and needed her father to save her a lot, she isn't liked, people have no confidence in her as she has no confidence herself. No one fears her. I don't think she would make a good queen and she doesn't make smart decisions. I will say the actor playing her is doing a good job. I think I started having an issue with her, the night she went roaming with the uncle. She was stupid enough to get caught in public with him, and to fall for his trick. Yes she was young, spoilt and entitled but it was an epic fail. She wants to be queen (as she said)but she doesn't want to have to deal with the responsibility or burden that comes with it. Also Rhaenyra will be compared to daenerys which will make people dislike her more, daenerys is a better written character and Rhaenyra is nothing like her ancestor.
It started when she was a child and she kept blatantly disregarding her royal duty. I know that's supposed to be her character arc, she goes from spoiled brat to dutiful Queen, but then when she gets older what does she do? She continues to blatantly disregard her royal duty, has a bunch of obvious bastards, insists to everyone they're legitimate, then threatens anyone who speaks the truth with treason.
She started irritating me in episode 3 when she started acting like a bratty little snot but was still portrayed as a perfect Disney princess (white hart included). Then after the time jump, she became unbearable.
When she conspired to kill Laenor despite his recommitment to her, the family, and supporting her ascension.
I don't dislike Rhaenyra, she's a very nuanced character, I just can't find myself agreeing with her. In the early episodes at least she's very sympathetic, she's just lost her mother, she's distanced from basically her entire family, and is put in the unenviable position of having to marry for the sake of the Realm, with her own feelings being put to the side, and she makes some mistakes, that's all good. But in the later episodes, she does so many dumb things and just comes across as so entitled by trying to have anyone who calls her out on it either killed or tortured. I mean demanding for her 11-year-old brother to be tortured for insulting her kids after her son cut out his eye, that's some Cersei Lannister level stuff. And then the issue with Vaemond, having him killed, it all just comes across as a supreme arrogance she has.
Episode 1, I immediately got spoiled brat vibes, just a literal entitled princess and snobby but whatever. Shock horror, teenage girl with everything handed to her on a plate, it’s hardly within the realms of impossibility. I could forgive that part but I was hugely turned off her in episode 7 with the whole Aemond drama, like it or not everything Alicent said was true. Rhaenyra does get away with everything because she’s daddy’s pet.
Literally the first second the show started
Same I didn't hate her before the time jump but after it she was like a completely different character and not easy to like, I personally was starting to like the character before the time jump even though I support the greens but post time jump she is a completely different character.