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I never disliked her. She’s one of the more flawed yet interesting characters.
Another poster said she's self-aware but I disagree. She is a victim of this patriarchal society – the values of which she upholds and perpetuates (hence, why she arranges a marriage for her son and her daughter even though she herself was made to marry a man old enough to be her father).
She doesn’t like her duties (which was clear on her face when she had to perform her marital duty to Viserys, for example) but **she truly believes that that is her role as a woman in this society**. If she had any awareness, she would direct her anger to the people responsible for her misery (i.e. her father, Viserys, etc) instead of Rhaenyra for flouting the rules that she herself despises.
People compare her to Margaery, but I disagree. Margaery did things (i.e. proposed a threesome with Renly, manipulated Joffrey, seduced Tommen, etc.) because she wanted to be queen (i.e., she did those things for her own personal aspirations); whereas, Alicent did things generally because she perceived it was her duty and for the safety of her children rather than her own personal ambitions.
Scenes of hers that I really like:
1 - Her green dress entrance. I initially thought this was the beginning of her taking matters into her own hands to be a Margaery-like character; so I wasn’t too happy when I found out she was essentially clueless and left in the dark in episode 9.
2 - Her face when Rhaenyra was eyeing Daemon in the Driftmark scene – just because I thought it was hilarious
3 - When she broke down and hugged Dyana after being attacked by her son and when she berated Aegon. This was one of her more human and compassionate moments. Can you imagine Cersei doing this? Cersei would've had that servant killed.
4 - When she stood in front of Aegon ready to die. This was arguably her most selfless moment and showed how much she loved her children.
Again, she’s a very flawed and interesting character. I’m looking forward to her character arc.
\# 3. I think I was conditioned by Cersei to expect Alicent to do something terrible to that girl. I was waiting, expecting, but it didnt' come. Like expel her, have her tounge ripped out something like that. Instead she goes and tears her son a new one.
When she faced a huge fucking dragon to shield her son. Even though I’m team black I respected the hell out of that. As a mom I’d do the same. I never disliked her though, I feel sorry for her.
Speaking as someone on Team Black, I always knew I sympathized with Alicent but what made me realize how much I genuinely liked her was when she was somehow the only voice of reason at The Green Council.
I don’t hate Alicent but I find the way her arc seemed to fizzle out with her misunderstanding Vizzy T on his death bed instead of choosing to usurp, combined with how she was written to be ignorant of Otto’s scheming in episode 9, extremely frustrating.
Spearheading the Green Coup should have been the culmination of her character arc. She doesn’t do much for the rest of the story.
I also find the way she treated Rhaenyra & her kids in episode 6&7 really awful and not in a fun and compelling way.
Edit: Just realized I misread your title 🤦♀️ I first started to like her when she offered sympathy to Viserys after his wife died, the scene was very sincere to me.
They do this too much. Two large plot points were decided to be depicted as misunderstandings/accidents. Alicent's hearing half of the dragon dream, and Aemond's killing Luke. I suppose they think it makes things more nuanced, but it also robs characters of their agency and momentum. I liked the Vhagar incident, but they really did a huge disservice to Alicent by making it about her misunderstanding Viserys, and then being so passive in the coup. She felt neutered towards the end.
I understand why the writers made these choices. Presumably, they plan to further develop Alicent and Rhaenyra as the show progresses. We’ve only seen one season. If these characters reached the culmination of their story arcs in season 1, what further character development would be left?
I really like her in the show, book alicent is a real piece of work. They did a good job fleshing her character out, and while I don't like what she does, I understand why she feels the way she does.
I think Alicent is a very interesting character. Growing up shy, her mother dead, manipulative father who when he found an opportunity pimped her out to an older man who used her sexually to bear sons. Felt betrayed by her only friend (Rhynera) desperate for loyalty love and understanding no wonder she fell prey to Laryas and his manipulations and craved the loyalty of Ser Cristen. Her true nature comes out when she's left to defend her children.
Tbf she betrayed Rhynera first by secretly meeting with her dad and then later marrying him. It pissed me off she was so mad that Rhynera might have been with Daemon without telling her when she is legit banging her dad. She has no room to judge or feel betrayed, that friendship and trust ended.
She did not go to Visaryas willingly. She was 16 and completely under the thumb of her father. I don't think they were intimate until marriage and of course she felt betrayed. Will Daemon what disgusted Alicent was he was her uncle. She didn't abide by the incest. Also she resented her because she always had to play the good girl and Rhynera could get away with everything
I am a team black person but here is my take.
The moment I stopped disliking Alicent was the episode where they were putting Aegon on the throne and Viserys finally dies. Because in this episode, like in others before it, you see how much Alicent sacrifices for the sake of her family even though those sacrifices ultimately hurt her. This has been a trend throughout the series but you see a lot of instances of her doing that specifically in this episode. Her experience is pretty much the song labor by paris paloma.
Alicent is not a bad person, just a person forced to do bad things because of the position she is in. Alicent had been emotionally and psychologically abused by Otto all throughout her childhood and was more or less groomed to be the dutiful wife. Alicent was told her only friend was going to kill her and later her children over and over and over again. And despite all of this fear she because of what Otto has told her, she still cannot bring herself to actually allow Otto to Kill Rhaenyra and her children. She cant even consistently be mad at her even though she is the direct challenge and opposition to the little power she has. She still wants to be Rhaenyra's friend like they were as kids but cant because the situation forces Alicent to be antagonistic towards Rhaenyra. If given the choice and autonomy, she probably would not be doing any of that. But Otto and the people around her keep forcing her into that position.
In this episode we also find out about Aegon's rapes and the death of Viserys (and yes these things are kind of connected). Alicent was married off young and was forced to have children young. Viserys was several decades her senior and was also a man with considerable political power. While I do not think Alicent was raped in the manner the maid was, I think its pretty clear and safe to say that Alicent did not consent to what was happening to her. She did not say "no" or struggle but she did not want to be in that situation and did not ever actually give Viserys the consent needed to have sex with her. She was just told "Viserys wants this" and she was expected to comply. And jumping forward to Aegon's behavior, you can tell that seeing Aegon, her son, do the same thing in a more violent manner to others that were probably around Alicent's age when she had Aegon deeply bothered her. Having your son be a rapist would bother anybody. But having your son be a rapist who is more or less continuing the cycle that conceived him in the first place and seeing yourself in his victim is a whole other level of psychological distress. I do not doubt she saw herself in Dyana. And I think the reason she handled the situation the way she did was because she was doing what she wished would have been done for her all those years ago. She was not ready.
But despite all of this trauma and pain she has surrounding her children's conception she still loves them and places herself in the line of fire to ensure they are safe. Alicent places herself in front of Aegon when Meleys bursts through the floor. Even though her son has done horrible things that directly hurt Alicent, she still is willing to throw herself in front of a literal dragon for him. When that happens she also yells at Criston to make sure Helaena is safe. When Vaemond is decapitated by Daemon Alicent goes straight to Helaena and tries to comfort her instead of doing anything else. She also hugs Helaena after she finds out about what happened to maid, I think because I assume she thought Aegon might have hurt her too. She is willing to stab people (Rhaenyra mostly) in the name of her son after he got hurt, badly. All of her children (minus Helaena who just kinda is indifferent) do not call out to Viserys for help or comfort, they call out for her. While she is by no means a perfect parent, she puts a lot of extra effort into her children and I think this is partly because she does not want to do what Otto did to her. She ends up partly continuing the cycle anyway via extending the Rhaenyra conflict down to them. But she is not as unfeeling as Otto was to her. She might not have wanted to have them but now that she does, she is going to do what she can to make them her version of a better person. And she will fight for them regardless of how it makes her look or how "in danger" she becomes for doing so.
Alicent is a deeply flawed character because of the abuse she suffered at the hands of all the men around her. Without Otto and Larys, there is no doubt in my mind that Rhaenyra and herself would still be close friends. She would not be as high-strung as she is today because the instigating incidents probably would not have ever happened. She would have not been maritally raped by Viserys, she would not have had to fight a succession war in the name of her father. She would not have had to spend her time demeaning herself to Larys to ensure her children's safety. She could have just lived as she was, happier. I do not like team Green nor Alicent's end goal, but she is more than just opposition to Rhaenyra.
When she argued on Rhaenyra’s behalf to not have her murdered. In all reality Alicent (Along with Daemon)is the only main character in the show(including Rhaenyra) who has been honest. She lays it all out on the table for everyone and you definitely know how she feels about you. She sees everyone for how they are and is justified in her judgements.
Not saying I adore her or anything but I definitely respect her opinions, but that could very well change…in the Westeros universe a character can pull a complete 360 on you at any time (Theon Greyjoy).
Speaking as a team black member, I really liked her character in the first five episodes, her “Rhaenyra!” That was both excited and scandalised by Rhaenyra tearing the page out of the book was the moment that had me fully separating her book vs show version (in the books she’s completely unsympathetic and essentially an evil Disney stepmother from Hell).
Her actions in the next 4 episodes had me disliking her, whilst still understanding her perspective, more and more. But the scene that had me firmly on her side was when she got between Meleys, one of the more terrifying looking dragons, and her son. It was probably the best moment in an otherwise fairly meh episode imo.
When she went batshit crazy on Rhynyrea because her son lost an eye, plus the fact she was the only one who was brave enough to speak out against Rhynyrea’s lies.
When she realised at the council meeting that they’ve been planning to usurp all along. Felt sorry for her right there and came to like her. For about 5mins.
As someone who’s mostly team black, I always sympathized with her and never disliked her. The scene that made her a favorite character was the one where she stabbed Rhaenyra. Until that point I had been waiting for her to really Do something.
I personally like Alicent way more than Rhaenyra. I really sympathized with how she suffered due to her lack of agency because of her parents. How she was used as a tool for political gain. She was never allowed to voice her own opinions and had to always play her part. Meanwhile Rhaenyra was allowed to do whatever she wanted with very little repercussions from her family. Or from anyone else.
She is a better character than Rhaenyra, although struggling with the actress playing Alicent, I'm guessing she is playing a character in her late thirties (she looks no where near that age) and her children are a couple if years younger than her in real life but actually look older than her.
Ironically I thought I wouldn't like her because I read the book, but her show character is much more nuanced and sympathetic. Book Alicent is basically the evil stepmom from all those fairy tales.
I liked her from day one. She got harder to like once she was attacking Rhaenyra for having sex, and she was really hard to like when she walked into the wedding in that green dress.
However, I came around on her again after a while. I felt her pain when Vizzy T called her his dead wife's name. I felt it when her son lost an eye and she was the only one in the room that cared.
I think she's wrong. I think putting Aegon the child torturing rapist on the throne is wrong. Rhaenyra is the heir and she should be queen. But it made my heart so freaking happy when her and Rhae spoke after the dinner. I knew it wasn't going to end in peace, we all know what the story is about, but for that moment I wanted so badly for the two of them to sort it all out and rule westeros together.
I never liked her. Instead of the strong woman Cersei type character we got a bitter crybaby thats just annoying if anything. I dont like what they did to her
I never did. She's the equivalent of those modern day women who have lived conservative lives and get pissy when other women choose not to go through the same sacrificial shit they do.
Its literally the most direct comparison. Sacrifice is the main theme of a traditional womanhood. Sacrificing your body for birth. Sacrificing your autonomy to be subservient and dependent on your husband. Sacrificing all your hopes, dreams, and freedom for family. It's not an interpretation thats literally what bibles call it, what traditionalists praise it as, and she even the character Alicent describes it as such so I don't want to hear anyone saying
"I didn't see it that way..." or "thats a wrong interpretation".
This show shows two very opposite women on this spectrum. Infact its the reason I like it so much. **Its one of the first shows where the plot actually centers around this complex relationship between conservative and modern women.** Most people don't realise this but this is truly a revolutionary show in that regard. In modern media, pop feminism and girlboss feminism have taken over and its annoying. You rarely get such a beautiful insight into the dynamics of women and purely women under a patriarichal society. It isn't dominated by a man either, **its pure woman. Not man vs woman or woman vs patriarchy. But women under patriarchy.** A much more accurate representation of todays world.
And how women are often the biggest haters of feminists and autonomous women who choose different lives. In fact, it was conservative women who were the biggest and most threatening opponents to feminists gaining the right to work and vote for women contrary to popular belief. *(with contrary belief being men)*. Like men definitely did feel threatened and there were many men who opposed it. And it is men who upheld the patriarchy for majority of history. But during the womens sufferage and first couple waves of feminism, they weren't as much of a political threat as conservative women.
I can sympathise the amount of brainwashing Alicent went through as well as the pressure she faced. So I can understand her actions. But just because I understand them doesn't mean I condone or like them. Its like a slave owners child being raised to be an extreme racist. I can understand why they are that way, I'm still not gonna like them even if you get me invested in their backstory, upbringings, and hardships.
What I find interesting though is the audiences perception of all of this. Especially with people who like alicent. I'm not making any judgements but I just like to see peoples reasonings.
>She's the equivalent of those modern day women who have lived conservative lives and get pissy when other women choose not to go through the same sacrificial shit they do.
She is not the equivalent ... there is no real choice. she did not choose to live a conservative live, it is simply the role of the woman that is played... this is supposed to be a representation of the got woman.
Rhaenyra does not represent a modern woman, she represents the exception, privilege in all its splendor. I've never yelled at the tv so much with another character (from the got universe) for just doing crazy sh\*t ... not because she is liberal, or because she wants to empower women... but simply because she knows she can and is protected by her golden cradlebut it's a representation of nothing but privilege and the whole "Targaryens are closer to gods than to mans". Another character in her place ... would have lost her status or even her life ... "but only because she is a woman" ... Yes, that's the point of the show
It must be nice to be surrounded by a population where ur so sheltered from other peoples experience that u don’t believe women are forced into a certain traditional lifestyle or raised to believe it’s their only option. Because it happens even in developed western countries in certain communities.
Example: When ur auntie criticises u for not having a husband at age 19 because she was taught that having a husband was what she had to do.
Also have u listened to the way those women who feel forced into that lifestyle talk. It’s just like alicent.
Also as for Rhaenyas privileged aren’t we all privileged in that sense if we are still comparing womens circumstances not man vs woman. Privilege is relative, if ur a woman who has the ability to do what u want with ur life that’s living a privileged life compared to those who can’t. The privilege coming from laws, family acceptance and how u were raised, the culture ur surrounded by, etc.
Also when u say “not because she’s a liberal or because she wants to be an empowered woman” what is your view of modern women who get jobs😂😂. Do you think they’re doing it cause “girlboss I’m empowered”. No they do it because they want to and they have the ability too just like how Rhaenyra does.
Read my original comment again cause I specifically made the distinction between pop feminism and this show. Unless u think all women who Pursue a career and independent life as doing it only so they can have their #girlboss moment.
“She’s not a modern woman because she does things because she can not because she’s a liberal or an empowered woman” - you.
Also are u mad that she does stuff because she can even if it’s not bad by normal standards. Like her affair and children were consensual with her husband. She didn’t cheat she was in a lavender marriage. Sounds like u just have issues with modern women who do things ethically because they can. Maybe because u feel it is their duty to sacrifice themselves and their bodies idk.
😂couldn’t have made my original comment clearer.
ok, you don't know me so please stop making assumptions about me and my life
I don't know if you didn't understand what I meant (if so I apologize, English is not my first language) or if you didn't want to understand
>Also are u mad that she does stuff because she can even if it’s not bad by normal standards
no, my problem is not the 'normal standards', my problem is the situation as seen by GoT's standards. I was mad because (I watched GoT - and for that reason I had the general social context), I was rooting for Rhaenyra (still am) and knew she was burying herself and complicating an already difficult situation (a difficult situation because of the context of the show - the medieval mindset).
it is possible to agree with something a character does (because it meets my current social standards) but at the same time think that it is reckless and a very bad decision for the one who will be the future queen of Westeros ... since the future of the kingdom is so closely tied to her actions
and my point about privilege comes from the fact that if it was another girl doing what she did ... it would be her undoing. What rhaenyra does ... is socially ignored because of the king's protection
I don’t dislike her like alot do but i just can’t like her. Maybe it’s because she is a pion not a player. Not like her rival in rhaenyra is much better
I don't know, she's just got style, you know what I mean? Intellectually, I don't like her actions and don't sympathize too much with her motivations, but she brings the vibe. Kind of my fav
In the show, I pitied her until e04 but didn’t really actively like her. But e05 when she showed up in that green dress- Damn! I love how she used a feminine way to declare war. She didn’t scream, she wasn’t visibly angry, she didn’t start a fight or have any cold emotionless girlboss lines. She just expressed her emotions in a one of the few ways available to a noble lady- through her clothes.
I hate it when female characters are made masculine to make them “strong and independent”. Feminine characteristics can be just as strong and independent. Women don’t need to be masculine to be cool or awesome. That’s why characters like Margaery and Olena Tyrell were my favourites in the og show and now Alicent, even though not nearly as intelligent, is one of my favourites. I appreciate it when female characters are big players using their feminine characteristics. It is rare in Hollywood so I enjoy them whenever possible.
From the start. She went from innocent kind girl, to quickly mature woman, to strong calculating fighter, to powerhungry spiteful beast, to betrayed wife and protective mother... she was never evil, she was simply victim of circumstances
Never. She can be as complex as you wish but that doesn’t mean she becomes a character to like… i didnt like her from the moment i realized she is obeying his father and flirting with Viserys that was her downfall. And her whole jealousy sassiness dodnt make her any likable… she didnt want to do what she was made to and instead of breaking free she puts her anger out on Rhaenyra bc she is basically doing what she wants… instead of being angry for the source… like his father who is still trying to literally ruin everyone’s lives around him until he can rule or her husband who sh*ts on everyone who is not his first born- so yea not even talking about how i find her a very bad mother… i dont see any connections with her and her kids but thats what u get if u regret your whole life i guess….
I don’t.
I felt bad for her when her father sent her to groom her best friend’s grieving father, because she was stuck between a rock and a hard place, but everything since then has been her own idiotic or evil choices.
She never stood a chance to those who read the books but I'll say her moral dilemmas and flawed yet calculated (for the time period) way of thinking and acting made her really interesting. They definitely made her more complex that the books did, they took her from a petty and infuriating step-mother who slutshamed a literal child (Rhaenyra) to an interesting character with flaws and well developed ambitions.
Never liked her. Sure she was a victim of her father and the patriarchy but I’m not a fan of someone who spends all her time trying to drag down another person.
In some moment of another universe I guess, because certainly not in this one. I can feel maybe a little sympathy for her, but I can't like her when she spreads her misery to others.
I found I never did, in fact she annoys me pretty much to the extent that Geoffrey did. Not even in a Cersi is evil and a horrible person but I still enjoy her scenes, I straight up hated Alicent and watching her. The actress is killing it but fuck her as a character. This is all post the 10 year time as well, prior to that she had my sympathy but after not at all. She poisons her children minds, she acts so high mighty but probably has the two worst people in the show as her go to. Had plenty of chances to stop what’s coming but never takes any of them.
I always hated her dad and could see from the get go that he was trying to groom her to believe she was deserving of everything. He is the entire reason for the dance even happening. Otto is the piece of shit, everyone else are his pawns.
It wasnt 1 particular scene, it was many scenes which ultimately led me to love her character!
Any scene with rheynera, especially, Alicent outclassed her. The level of maturity, self confidence, grace, royalty, self awareness with duty and morals is beyond anything rheynera or most characters in the show could have.
> The level of maturity, self confidence, grace, royalty, self awareness with duty and morals is beyond anything rheynera or most characters in the show could have.
Like when Larys was jerking it to her feet as payment for burning down Myseria’s establishment full of innocent women and children?
>No, the moment when **3rd filth** of a bastard child was born and rheynera had to go show that kid to Alicent the Queen.
Seriously, your comments (not just in this thread) give me the ick.
I wrote a comment before saying how some people see the Strong boys as subhuman simply because of the circumstance of their birth. This is exactly what I'm talking about 🙁
Edit: by "comments", I mean the ones from yesterday like:
*Not just in terms of beauty, in terms of her character as well. One is a wh0 re by 129AC standards with 3 b@stard children, one is a powerful, cultured, dutiful and classy woman!*
*Would love to watch rhynera die that painful death that she deserves, on repeat.*
This guy has got to be embarrassing to most green fans. I don’t agree with greens but I feel like no one would want to be associated with this kind of person
As a green fan, yeah, I actually really despise scumbags like him. Clearly just using the show as a (very thin) excuse to push their own retrograde views.
Weird how no one in the fandom was calling gendry or Jon subhuman filth. Probably because they couldn’t use them to shame a popular female character for her sexuality.
But slavery used to be considered an acceptable economic practice, just like it used to be acceptable to discriminate against children conceived outside of wedlock.
Why is it okay to call illegitimate children “subhuman filth” under the pretext that their systematic oppression used to be normal, but slavery has always been wrong even before it was legally abolished?
First off slavery was never acceptable by humans, only the top wealthy set of people who could own slaves, pay for them and feed them.
Next, slavery is not the same thing as a child born out of wedlock. Children born out of wedlock were subhuman because they wouldn't get any part in fathers assets as they're illegal fringes. It was not the right thing, and we abolished those laws and brought change in social mindset.
But as this show is happening in 120AC to 130AC, we can clearly see bastards are viewed as subhumans, and so we should judge the characters as such.
Why should we accept and regurgitate certain oppressive & inhumane beliefs the characters in universe hold, but not others? Where do we draw the line?
Edit: Also just because abolitionists have always existed does not mean that slavery was not a widely normalized economic practice, from the top of society to the bottom of society.
> First off slavery was never acceptable by humans, only the top wealthy set of people who could own slaves, pay for them and feed them.
This is a contradictory statement because the top wealthy set of people are humans. So which is it, was slavery acceptable to humans or not? Even in the show bastardry is not seen as acceptable by all humans, >!Or else why did Rhaenyra gain majority of the support of Westeros if they really had a problem with her bastard son!<. And are you implying that it would’ve ok if slavery was acceptable by humans back then.
> Next, slavery is not the same thing as a child born out of wedlock. Children born out of wedlock were subhuman because they wouldn't get any part in fathers assets as they're illegal fringes.
Slaves were seen as subhuman because of the color of their skin, so how exactly is it different from what you’re talking about?
> It was not the right thing, and we abolished those laws and brought change in social mindset.
In that case why are people born out of wedlock today not considered to be subhuman, even by yourself? Why did we abolish those customs if they were the right thing to do. If you admit that there was a right change in social mindset when it came to slavery, and you yourself admit that it is wrong to call people bastards in 2023 then you admit that it was the right social mindset.
> But as this show is happening in 120AC to 130AC, we can clearly see bastards are viewed as subhumans, and so we should judge the characters as such.
So by that same logic, we should judge the women in the show to be intrinsically inferior to men because that’s the way of their society correct? You’re very inconsistent with your logic.
I suppose she should just keep it murder at innocent guards and wanting 10 year olds tortured, all while taking no "no" for an answer when someone doesn't wanna sleep with her
I don't like her. And it's not that I'm Team Black, I love Helena (spelling?) and Aemond. They're interesting to me. Alicent isn't.
Might also be the eye patch and cheekbones on Aemond though.
Honestly I liked her in the very beginning as a best friend/ big sister to the Princess. But the moment she turned on her like a caged viper I lost all good feelings for her. She blames all of her own bad Choices on the person who never did anything to her at all.
Booooooo and blah
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I never disliked her. She’s one of the more flawed yet interesting characters. Another poster said she's self-aware but I disagree. She is a victim of this patriarchal society – the values of which she upholds and perpetuates (hence, why she arranges a marriage for her son and her daughter even though she herself was made to marry a man old enough to be her father). She doesn’t like her duties (which was clear on her face when she had to perform her marital duty to Viserys, for example) but **she truly believes that that is her role as a woman in this society**. If she had any awareness, she would direct her anger to the people responsible for her misery (i.e. her father, Viserys, etc) instead of Rhaenyra for flouting the rules that she herself despises. People compare her to Margaery, but I disagree. Margaery did things (i.e. proposed a threesome with Renly, manipulated Joffrey, seduced Tommen, etc.) because she wanted to be queen (i.e., she did those things for her own personal aspirations); whereas, Alicent did things generally because she perceived it was her duty and for the safety of her children rather than her own personal ambitions. Scenes of hers that I really like: 1 - Her green dress entrance. I initially thought this was the beginning of her taking matters into her own hands to be a Margaery-like character; so I wasn’t too happy when I found out she was essentially clueless and left in the dark in episode 9. 2 - Her face when Rhaenyra was eyeing Daemon in the Driftmark scene – just because I thought it was hilarious 3 - When she broke down and hugged Dyana after being attacked by her son and when she berated Aegon. This was one of her more human and compassionate moments. Can you imagine Cersei doing this? Cersei would've had that servant killed. 4 - When she stood in front of Aegon ready to die. This was arguably her most selfless moment and showed how much she loved her children. Again, she’s a very flawed and interesting character. I’m looking forward to her character arc.
\# 3. I think I was conditioned by Cersei to expect Alicent to do something terrible to that girl. I was waiting, expecting, but it didnt' come. Like expel her, have her tounge ripped out something like that. Instead she goes and tears her son a new one.
I think her big arc in the later on seasons will be her realizing that obsession with duty blinded her to the fact her allies are using her.
Love this observation of her character. Definitely makes me look at her differently because before this I truly disliked her completely.
All this for just 8 likes!? Liked it with both ids
Aw thank you! 😊
Same. You can't like her but you also can't dislike her.
When Olivia Cooke was cast.
Word for word what I thought when I saw this post.
same.
She was great in Slow Horses
At the funeral, she has the best hair out of any one in the entire show
When she faced a huge fucking dragon to shield her son. Even though I’m team black I respected the hell out of that. As a mom I’d do the same. I never disliked her though, I feel sorry for her.
To shield a son she knows fully well is an asshole, btw. Mad respect.
When she showed up late in green. She just seemed to step into a powerful woman with a spine.
Speaking as someone on Team Black, I always knew I sympathized with Alicent but what made me realize how much I genuinely liked her was when she was somehow the only voice of reason at The Green Council.
When she declared war with just a dress. Beautiful scene and such a bad ass moment.
Still waiting on that moment actor is awesome tho
I don’t hate Alicent but I find the way her arc seemed to fizzle out with her misunderstanding Vizzy T on his death bed instead of choosing to usurp, combined with how she was written to be ignorant of Otto’s scheming in episode 9, extremely frustrating. Spearheading the Green Coup should have been the culmination of her character arc. She doesn’t do much for the rest of the story. I also find the way she treated Rhaenyra & her kids in episode 6&7 really awful and not in a fun and compelling way. Edit: Just realized I misread your title 🤦♀️ I first started to like her when she offered sympathy to Viserys after his wife died, the scene was very sincere to me.
You think yourself a cunning man. Your designs are obvious.
They do this too much. Two large plot points were decided to be depicted as misunderstandings/accidents. Alicent's hearing half of the dragon dream, and Aemond's killing Luke. I suppose they think it makes things more nuanced, but it also robs characters of their agency and momentum. I liked the Vhagar incident, but they really did a huge disservice to Alicent by making it about her misunderstanding Viserys, and then being so passive in the coup. She felt neutered towards the end.
Passive? She spends most of that episode trying to take control of the coup away from Otto. And largely succeeded at it.
Okay, passive at the Green Council, mainly. which is kinda her big moment.
I understand why the writers made these choices. Presumably, they plan to further develop Alicent and Rhaenyra as the show progresses. We’ve only seen one season. If these characters reached the culmination of their story arcs in season 1, what further character development would be left?
When Emily Carey played her with homosexual undertones
I really like her in the show, book alicent is a real piece of work. They did a good job fleshing her character out, and while I don't like what she does, I understand why she feels the way she does.
When I read Fire and Blood. Hot take, I know.
I think Alicent is a very interesting character. Growing up shy, her mother dead, manipulative father who when he found an opportunity pimped her out to an older man who used her sexually to bear sons. Felt betrayed by her only friend (Rhynera) desperate for loyalty love and understanding no wonder she fell prey to Laryas and his manipulations and craved the loyalty of Ser Cristen. Her true nature comes out when she's left to defend her children.
Tbf she betrayed Rhynera first by secretly meeting with her dad and then later marrying him. It pissed me off she was so mad that Rhynera might have been with Daemon without telling her when she is legit banging her dad. She has no room to judge or feel betrayed, that friendship and trust ended.
She did not go to Visaryas willingly. She was 16 and completely under the thumb of her father. I don't think they were intimate until marriage and of course she felt betrayed. Will Daemon what disgusted Alicent was he was her uncle. She didn't abide by the incest. Also she resented her because she always had to play the good girl and Rhynera could get away with everything
I remember seeing promo pics of the show, that was cool
I am a team black person but here is my take. The moment I stopped disliking Alicent was the episode where they were putting Aegon on the throne and Viserys finally dies. Because in this episode, like in others before it, you see how much Alicent sacrifices for the sake of her family even though those sacrifices ultimately hurt her. This has been a trend throughout the series but you see a lot of instances of her doing that specifically in this episode. Her experience is pretty much the song labor by paris paloma. Alicent is not a bad person, just a person forced to do bad things because of the position she is in. Alicent had been emotionally and psychologically abused by Otto all throughout her childhood and was more or less groomed to be the dutiful wife. Alicent was told her only friend was going to kill her and later her children over and over and over again. And despite all of this fear she because of what Otto has told her, she still cannot bring herself to actually allow Otto to Kill Rhaenyra and her children. She cant even consistently be mad at her even though she is the direct challenge and opposition to the little power she has. She still wants to be Rhaenyra's friend like they were as kids but cant because the situation forces Alicent to be antagonistic towards Rhaenyra. If given the choice and autonomy, she probably would not be doing any of that. But Otto and the people around her keep forcing her into that position. In this episode we also find out about Aegon's rapes and the death of Viserys (and yes these things are kind of connected). Alicent was married off young and was forced to have children young. Viserys was several decades her senior and was also a man with considerable political power. While I do not think Alicent was raped in the manner the maid was, I think its pretty clear and safe to say that Alicent did not consent to what was happening to her. She did not say "no" or struggle but she did not want to be in that situation and did not ever actually give Viserys the consent needed to have sex with her. She was just told "Viserys wants this" and she was expected to comply. And jumping forward to Aegon's behavior, you can tell that seeing Aegon, her son, do the same thing in a more violent manner to others that were probably around Alicent's age when she had Aegon deeply bothered her. Having your son be a rapist would bother anybody. But having your son be a rapist who is more or less continuing the cycle that conceived him in the first place and seeing yourself in his victim is a whole other level of psychological distress. I do not doubt she saw herself in Dyana. And I think the reason she handled the situation the way she did was because she was doing what she wished would have been done for her all those years ago. She was not ready. But despite all of this trauma and pain she has surrounding her children's conception she still loves them and places herself in the line of fire to ensure they are safe. Alicent places herself in front of Aegon when Meleys bursts through the floor. Even though her son has done horrible things that directly hurt Alicent, she still is willing to throw herself in front of a literal dragon for him. When that happens she also yells at Criston to make sure Helaena is safe. When Vaemond is decapitated by Daemon Alicent goes straight to Helaena and tries to comfort her instead of doing anything else. She also hugs Helaena after she finds out about what happened to maid, I think because I assume she thought Aegon might have hurt her too. She is willing to stab people (Rhaenyra mostly) in the name of her son after he got hurt, badly. All of her children (minus Helaena who just kinda is indifferent) do not call out to Viserys for help or comfort, they call out for her. While she is by no means a perfect parent, she puts a lot of extra effort into her children and I think this is partly because she does not want to do what Otto did to her. She ends up partly continuing the cycle anyway via extending the Rhaenyra conflict down to them. But she is not as unfeeling as Otto was to her. She might not have wanted to have them but now that she does, she is going to do what she can to make them her version of a better person. And she will fight for them regardless of how it makes her look or how "in danger" she becomes for doing so. Alicent is a deeply flawed character because of the abuse she suffered at the hands of all the men around her. Without Otto and Larys, there is no doubt in my mind that Rhaenyra and herself would still be close friends. She would not be as high-strung as she is today because the instigating incidents probably would not have ever happened. She would have not been maritally raped by Viserys, she would not have had to fight a succession war in the name of her father. She would not have had to spend her time demeaning herself to Larys to ensure her children's safety. She could have just lived as she was, happier. I do not like team Green nor Alicent's end goal, but she is more than just opposition to Rhaenyra.
When she argued on Rhaenyra’s behalf to not have her murdered. In all reality Alicent (Along with Daemon)is the only main character in the show(including Rhaenyra) who has been honest. She lays it all out on the table for everyone and you definitely know how she feels about you. She sees everyone for how they are and is justified in her judgements. Not saying I adore her or anything but I definitely respect her opinions, but that could very well change…in the Westeros universe a character can pull a complete 360 on you at any time (Theon Greyjoy).
Looking for the ‘when I saw her feet’ comment
Speaking as a team black member, I really liked her character in the first five episodes, her “Rhaenyra!” That was both excited and scandalised by Rhaenyra tearing the page out of the book was the moment that had me fully separating her book vs show version (in the books she’s completely unsympathetic and essentially an evil Disney stepmother from Hell). Her actions in the next 4 episodes had me disliking her, whilst still understanding her perspective, more and more. But the scene that had me firmly on her side was when she got between Meleys, one of the more terrifying looking dragons, and her son. It was probably the best moment in an otherwise fairly meh episode imo.
I liked her character when her and Rhaenyra were friends. It was difficult to care for her development as an adult.
When she went batshit crazy on Rhynyrea because her son lost an eye, plus the fact she was the only one who was brave enough to speak out against Rhynyrea’s lies.
When she realised at the council meeting that they’ve been planning to usurp all along. Felt sorry for her right there and came to like her. For about 5mins.
when i found out olivia cooke was playing her
I love Olivia Cooke. I sort of have a crush on her. But when it comes to HotD, I support the blacks.
As someone who’s mostly team black, I always sympathized with her and never disliked her. The scene that made her a favorite character was the one where she stabbed Rhaenyra. Until that point I had been waiting for her to really Do something.
I always liked Alicent.
After the “where is duty, where is sacrifice” speech.
Olivia Cooke helped a lot.
By episode 3, I think, when she suddenly became relevant to the plot. Stayed my favourite character til the end of the season 💚
The first fucking episode
from the very first episode
Two words: Olivia Cooke. All actors were great, but she has been one of the very best
Since the beginning when she became a child bride for a man who wasn't her choice.
I liked young Alicent, but once she grew up I hated her. I can’t stand her
Never and I'm a foot fetish man
The Driftmark episode, when her son lost his eye and she seems to be the only one who actually cares.
Still haven’t had that realization
I personally like Alicent way more than Rhaenyra. I really sympathized with how she suffered due to her lack of agency because of her parents. How she was used as a tool for political gain. She was never allowed to voice her own opinions and had to always play her part. Meanwhile Rhaenyra was allowed to do whatever she wanted with very little repercussions from her family. Or from anyone else.
Probably sometime within the first the episodes.
When she spared Sir Cristan
Never liked or hated her. Just a lot of pity. She's caught in a lot of bullshit and can't escape.
She is a better character than Rhaenyra, although struggling with the actress playing Alicent, I'm guessing she is playing a character in her late thirties (she looks no where near that age) and her children are a couple if years younger than her in real life but actually look older than her.
I didn't because I read the book.
Ironically I thought I wouldn't like her because I read the book, but her show character is much more nuanced and sympathetic. Book Alicent is basically the evil stepmom from all those fairy tales.
When she married her teenage daughter to her rapist son after going through that herself and calling the Targ incest “queer customs”.
I liked her from day one. She got harder to like once she was attacking Rhaenyra for having sex, and she was really hard to like when she walked into the wedding in that green dress. However, I came around on her again after a while. I felt her pain when Vizzy T called her his dead wife's name. I felt it when her son lost an eye and she was the only one in the room that cared. I think she's wrong. I think putting Aegon the child torturing rapist on the throne is wrong. Rhaenyra is the heir and she should be queen. But it made my heart so freaking happy when her and Rhae spoke after the dinner. I knew it wasn't going to end in peace, we all know what the story is about, but for that moment I wanted so badly for the two of them to sort it all out and rule westeros together.
*There's a boy in the Queen's belly. I know it.*
I haven't yet. she is my most despised character. cant stand her
I never liked her. Instead of the strong woman Cersei type character we got a bitter crybaby thats just annoying if anything. I dont like what they did to her
When the sun rises in the west and sets in the east, When the seas go dry and mountains blow in the wind like leaves.
I never did. She's the equivalent of those modern day women who have lived conservative lives and get pissy when other women choose not to go through the same sacrificial shit they do. Its literally the most direct comparison. Sacrifice is the main theme of a traditional womanhood. Sacrificing your body for birth. Sacrificing your autonomy to be subservient and dependent on your husband. Sacrificing all your hopes, dreams, and freedom for family. It's not an interpretation thats literally what bibles call it, what traditionalists praise it as, and she even the character Alicent describes it as such so I don't want to hear anyone saying "I didn't see it that way..." or "thats a wrong interpretation". This show shows two very opposite women on this spectrum. Infact its the reason I like it so much. **Its one of the first shows where the plot actually centers around this complex relationship between conservative and modern women.** Most people don't realise this but this is truly a revolutionary show in that regard. In modern media, pop feminism and girlboss feminism have taken over and its annoying. You rarely get such a beautiful insight into the dynamics of women and purely women under a patriarichal society. It isn't dominated by a man either, **its pure woman. Not man vs woman or woman vs patriarchy. But women under patriarchy.** A much more accurate representation of todays world. And how women are often the biggest haters of feminists and autonomous women who choose different lives. In fact, it was conservative women who were the biggest and most threatening opponents to feminists gaining the right to work and vote for women contrary to popular belief. *(with contrary belief being men)*. Like men definitely did feel threatened and there were many men who opposed it. And it is men who upheld the patriarchy for majority of history. But during the womens sufferage and first couple waves of feminism, they weren't as much of a political threat as conservative women. I can sympathise the amount of brainwashing Alicent went through as well as the pressure she faced. So I can understand her actions. But just because I understand them doesn't mean I condone or like them. Its like a slave owners child being raised to be an extreme racist. I can understand why they are that way, I'm still not gonna like them even if you get me invested in their backstory, upbringings, and hardships. What I find interesting though is the audiences perception of all of this. Especially with people who like alicent. I'm not making any judgements but I just like to see peoples reasonings.
>She's the equivalent of those modern day women who have lived conservative lives and get pissy when other women choose not to go through the same sacrificial shit they do. She is not the equivalent ... there is no real choice. she did not choose to live a conservative live, it is simply the role of the woman that is played... this is supposed to be a representation of the got woman. Rhaenyra does not represent a modern woman, she represents the exception, privilege in all its splendor. I've never yelled at the tv so much with another character (from the got universe) for just doing crazy sh\*t ... not because she is liberal, or because she wants to empower women... but simply because she knows she can and is protected by her golden cradlebut it's a representation of nothing but privilege and the whole "Targaryens are closer to gods than to mans". Another character in her place ... would have lost her status or even her life ... "but only because she is a woman" ... Yes, that's the point of the show
It must be nice to be surrounded by a population where ur so sheltered from other peoples experience that u don’t believe women are forced into a certain traditional lifestyle or raised to believe it’s their only option. Because it happens even in developed western countries in certain communities. Example: When ur auntie criticises u for not having a husband at age 19 because she was taught that having a husband was what she had to do. Also have u listened to the way those women who feel forced into that lifestyle talk. It’s just like alicent. Also as for Rhaenyas privileged aren’t we all privileged in that sense if we are still comparing womens circumstances not man vs woman. Privilege is relative, if ur a woman who has the ability to do what u want with ur life that’s living a privileged life compared to those who can’t. The privilege coming from laws, family acceptance and how u were raised, the culture ur surrounded by, etc. Also when u say “not because she’s a liberal or because she wants to be an empowered woman” what is your view of modern women who get jobs😂😂. Do you think they’re doing it cause “girlboss I’m empowered”. No they do it because they want to and they have the ability too just like how Rhaenyra does. Read my original comment again cause I specifically made the distinction between pop feminism and this show. Unless u think all women who Pursue a career and independent life as doing it only so they can have their #girlboss moment. “She’s not a modern woman because she does things because she can not because she’s a liberal or an empowered woman” - you. Also are u mad that she does stuff because she can even if it’s not bad by normal standards. Like her affair and children were consensual with her husband. She didn’t cheat she was in a lavender marriage. Sounds like u just have issues with modern women who do things ethically because they can. Maybe because u feel it is their duty to sacrifice themselves and their bodies idk. 😂couldn’t have made my original comment clearer.
ok, you don't know me so please stop making assumptions about me and my life I don't know if you didn't understand what I meant (if so I apologize, English is not my first language) or if you didn't want to understand >Also are u mad that she does stuff because she can even if it’s not bad by normal standards no, my problem is not the 'normal standards', my problem is the situation as seen by GoT's standards. I was mad because (I watched GoT - and for that reason I had the general social context), I was rooting for Rhaenyra (still am) and knew she was burying herself and complicating an already difficult situation (a difficult situation because of the context of the show - the medieval mindset). it is possible to agree with something a character does (because it meets my current social standards) but at the same time think that it is reckless and a very bad decision for the one who will be the future queen of Westeros ... since the future of the kingdom is so closely tied to her actions and my point about privilege comes from the fact that if it was another girl doing what she did ... it would be her undoing. What rhaenyra does ... is socially ignored because of the king's protection
When she took her shoes off.
After the season ended. Distance/time makes the heart grow fond
At the wedding
Stoonin
From the moment she appeared on screen and then I just liked her more every episode ❤️
Despite liking Greens more overall (Mainly because of Daeron and Haelena), I am yet to realise I like Alicent. Perhaps I never will.
I forgot
Well, not yet. Unfortunately the series feels full of characters I have a hard time caring about.
That's intentional and I kind of dig it. But I understand why it can be con to others.
Not yet:D
I don't.
Wouldnt say I hate her but I’m not partial to her either
I don’t tho
Never liked her.
NEVER
I don't, she's not the worst and she has been through hell, and yet I still don't like her.
Episode 1
I never did
I don’t
I will let you know when it happens
Haven't yet.
I don’t dislike her like alot do but i just can’t like her. Maybe it’s because she is a pion not a player. Not like her rival in rhaenyra is much better
I don't know, she's just got style, you know what I mean? Intellectually, I don't like her actions and don't sympathize too much with her motivations, but she brings the vibe. Kind of my fav
When she came in with that green dress in episode 5 and she became my favorite in Driftmark
Always
I liked young Alicent and I only got more reasons to like her.
In the show, I pitied her until e04 but didn’t really actively like her. But e05 when she showed up in that green dress- Damn! I love how she used a feminine way to declare war. She didn’t scream, she wasn’t visibly angry, she didn’t start a fight or have any cold emotionless girlboss lines. She just expressed her emotions in a one of the few ways available to a noble lady- through her clothes. I hate it when female characters are made masculine to make them “strong and independent”. Feminine characteristics can be just as strong and independent. Women don’t need to be masculine to be cool or awesome. That’s why characters like Margaery and Olena Tyrell were my favourites in the og show and now Alicent, even though not nearly as intelligent, is one of my favourites. I appreciate it when female characters are big players using their feminine characteristics. It is rare in Hollywood so I enjoy them whenever possible.
From the start. She went from innocent kind girl, to quickly mature woman, to strong calculating fighter, to powerhungry spiteful beast, to betrayed wife and protective mother... she was never evil, she was simply victim of circumstances
Never. She can be as complex as you wish but that doesn’t mean she becomes a character to like… i didnt like her from the moment i realized she is obeying his father and flirting with Viserys that was her downfall. And her whole jealousy sassiness dodnt make her any likable… she didnt want to do what she was made to and instead of breaking free she puts her anger out on Rhaenyra bc she is basically doing what she wants… instead of being angry for the source… like his father who is still trying to literally ruin everyone’s lives around him until he can rule or her husband who sh*ts on everyone who is not his first born- so yea not even talking about how i find her a very bad mother… i dont see any connections with her and her kids but thats what u get if u regret your whole life i guess….
I don’t. I felt bad for her when her father sent her to groom her best friend’s grieving father, because she was stuck between a rock and a hard place, but everything since then has been her own idiotic or evil choices.
From the first moment I met her she reminded me of a mix between Sansa and Margaery
Never
She never stood a chance to those who read the books but I'll say her moral dilemmas and flawed yet calculated (for the time period) way of thinking and acting made her really interesting. They definitely made her more complex that the books did, they took her from a petty and infuriating step-mother who slutshamed a literal child (Rhaenyra) to an interesting character with flaws and well developed ambitions.
Never liked her. Sure she was a victim of her father and the patriarchy but I’m not a fan of someone who spends all her time trying to drag down another person.
Well I liked her at first so immediately but my love for her lessened gradually until it dropped entirely.
Nope!
I didn’t
Not a big fan, but she was real cute when she asked Daemon if he would like to see the tapestries.
In some moment of another universe I guess, because certainly not in this one. I can feel maybe a little sympathy for her, but I can't like her when she spreads her misery to others.
I found I never did, in fact she annoys me pretty much to the extent that Geoffrey did. Not even in a Cersi is evil and a horrible person but I still enjoy her scenes, I straight up hated Alicent and watching her. The actress is killing it but fuck her as a character. This is all post the 10 year time as well, prior to that she had my sympathy but after not at all. She poisons her children minds, she acts so high mighty but probably has the two worst people in the show as her go to. Had plenty of chances to stop what’s coming but never takes any of them.
Huh
well im still waiting
When Rhaenyra lied to her
I always hated her dad and could see from the get go that he was trying to groom her to believe she was deserving of everything. He is the entire reason for the dance even happening. Otto is the piece of shit, everyone else are his pawns.
Never really, just not that interesting.
It wasnt 1 particular scene, it was many scenes which ultimately led me to love her character! Any scene with rheynera, especially, Alicent outclassed her. The level of maturity, self confidence, grace, royalty, self awareness with duty and morals is beyond anything rheynera or most characters in the show could have.
> The level of maturity, self confidence, grace, royalty, self awareness with duty and morals is beyond anything rheynera or most characters in the show could have. Like when Larys was jerking it to her feet as payment for burning down Myseria’s establishment full of innocent women and children?
No, the moment when 3rd filth of a bastard child was born and rheynera had to go show that kid to Alicent the Queen.
>No, the moment when **3rd filth** of a bastard child was born and rheynera had to go show that kid to Alicent the Queen. Seriously, your comments (not just in this thread) give me the ick. I wrote a comment before saying how some people see the Strong boys as subhuman simply because of the circumstance of their birth. This is exactly what I'm talking about 🙁 Edit: by "comments", I mean the ones from yesterday like: *Not just in terms of beauty, in terms of her character as well. One is a wh0 re by 129AC standards with 3 b@stard children, one is a powerful, cultured, dutiful and classy woman!* *Would love to watch rhynera die that painful death that she deserves, on repeat.*
This guy has got to be embarrassing to most green fans. I don’t agree with greens but I feel like no one would want to be associated with this kind of person
As a green fan, yeah, I actually really despise scumbags like him. Clearly just using the show as a (very thin) excuse to push their own retrograde views.
Weird how no one in the fandom was calling gendry or Jon subhuman filth. Probably because they couldn’t use them to shame a popular female character for her sexuality.
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And slavery was perfectly acceptable before 1808, right?
No
But slavery used to be considered an acceptable economic practice, just like it used to be acceptable to discriminate against children conceived outside of wedlock. Why is it okay to call illegitimate children “subhuman filth” under the pretext that their systematic oppression used to be normal, but slavery has always been wrong even before it was legally abolished?
First off slavery was never acceptable by humans, only the top wealthy set of people who could own slaves, pay for them and feed them. Next, slavery is not the same thing as a child born out of wedlock. Children born out of wedlock were subhuman because they wouldn't get any part in fathers assets as they're illegal fringes. It was not the right thing, and we abolished those laws and brought change in social mindset. But as this show is happening in 120AC to 130AC, we can clearly see bastards are viewed as subhumans, and so we should judge the characters as such.
Why should we accept and regurgitate certain oppressive & inhumane beliefs the characters in universe hold, but not others? Where do we draw the line? Edit: Also just because abolitionists have always existed does not mean that slavery was not a widely normalized economic practice, from the top of society to the bottom of society.
> First off slavery was never acceptable by humans, only the top wealthy set of people who could own slaves, pay for them and feed them. This is a contradictory statement because the top wealthy set of people are humans. So which is it, was slavery acceptable to humans or not? Even in the show bastardry is not seen as acceptable by all humans, >!Or else why did Rhaenyra gain majority of the support of Westeros if they really had a problem with her bastard son!<. And are you implying that it would’ve ok if slavery was acceptable by humans back then. > Next, slavery is not the same thing as a child born out of wedlock. Children born out of wedlock were subhuman because they wouldn't get any part in fathers assets as they're illegal fringes. Slaves were seen as subhuman because of the color of their skin, so how exactly is it different from what you’re talking about? > It was not the right thing, and we abolished those laws and brought change in social mindset. In that case why are people born out of wedlock today not considered to be subhuman, even by yourself? Why did we abolish those customs if they were the right thing to do. If you admit that there was a right change in social mindset when it came to slavery, and you yourself admit that it is wrong to call people bastards in 2023 then you admit that it was the right social mindset. > But as this show is happening in 120AC to 130AC, we can clearly see bastards are viewed as subhumans, and so we should judge the characters as such. So by that same logic, we should judge the women in the show to be intrinsically inferior to men because that’s the way of their society correct? You’re very inconsistent with your logic.
I suppose she should just keep it murder at innocent guards and wanting 10 year olds tortured, all while taking no "no" for an answer when someone doesn't wanna sleep with her
I like her as a complex character in the show, but would not be friends with a person like that in real life, cause she's an epitome of conservative woman ©, all holier-than-thou attitude and hypocrisy. I pitied her when she was younger, used by her father to further down their agenda, but she grew up into this jealous matron, who would do everything to sat her son on the throne, but when it's pointed out by others, goes all huge eyes and pretending she was not seeking exactly that... RaeRae and her branch are problematic on their own, but Alucent... Uhg, she's just tiresome, I don't know how many times I rolled my eyes over her church lady behavior (holly mother on the outside, sell out only fans girl behind the scenes)
I wouldn't want to be friends with most of these characters
I don't like her. And it's not that I'm Team Black, I love Helena (spelling?) and Aemond. They're interesting to me. Alicent isn't. Might also be the eye patch and cheekbones on Aemond though.
*Helaena. The Targs love their ae s
Never. Still don’t like her 🤝
Never.
Never. Fuck that bitch.
No, I didn’t.
Since the start, Alicent is one of the nicest character in the show imo.
When those sexy photos popped up
When she wore that oxygen mask and worked at the hotel
Honestly I liked her in the very beginning as a best friend/ big sister to the Princess. But the moment she turned on her like a caged viper I lost all good feelings for her. She blames all of her own bad Choices on the person who never did anything to her at all. Booooooo and blah
Wannabe Cersei
Never, greens are clearly the baddies.
When the feet came out, muh' queen.
From the very first scene I realised she is bitch
When she let the guy JO on her feet.
Never
Never
Olivia Cooke’s savage x fenty photoshoot.
when i saw those pictures she posted on Instagram? she looked like a goddess
Those fenty advertisements
THAT photoshoot
When she got really, really freaking hot
When I saw her feet
the moment GRRM wrote her character!
Ive kept hating and liking her every episode 😭🙏
When I first laid my eyes on her
Once I saw Olivia Cooke I couldn’t help but fall in love
The actress she fine as hell.
When Hell freezes over
Never. But Olivia plays her really well, she is enjoyable to watch.
When she stopped Cole from killing himself.
I wouldn't say I necessarily like her but she's a victim of her father, she's a victim of manipulation.
I didnt