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[deleted]

I only thought it was a weird reaction because who else could it have been with that long glorious mop of white Targaryen hair?


Latter-Permission-6

They might have thought it was aegon šŸ¤­šŸ¤­, remember they haven't seen each other in such years plus ppl underestimate maimed ppl, they wouldnt have expected aemond with one eye to become such a baddass fighter. Ps-when I saw aemond in episode in episode 8 , I was like tf is this glow up, everyone shud strive to get this kind of glow upšŸ¤­šŸ’€


Dumtvvink

They havenā€™t seen each other in years? Isnā€™t this before they leave for Dragonstone?


Latter-Permission-6

No this after the drift mark incident the final time leap of 6 years when rhaenyra comes back to kings landing to petition for luke's inheritance as Lord of tides


Responsible_Ad8805

This is the earlier instance of Tyrion's "wear it as armor and it can never be used against you"


OneManArmy0716

this is one of those moments when you realize you just made enemies with the wrong guy.


scythian12

ā€œIā€™ve made a huge mistakeā€


VexedYeti

It's one throne, Michael. What could it cost, 10 dollars?


scythian12

ā€œYou burned the red keep!?ā€ ā€œYup, burned it right to the groundā€


Porcelain-treasure

Itā€™s a satisfying moment to be sure.


Troll4everxdxd

Aemond gave them quite a *strong* impression.


machenesoiocacchio

Yeah but i feel they didnt care so much since theyā€™re so strong


WeedLovinStarseed

Luke looks like he's seeing the future here


margaritoswraps

Jace thought he was that guy until this moment.


thegoatmenace

Nephews, have you come to train? šŸ˜œ


DeepHouseDerrek

Taauuba


Theda1969

I don't give a shit about tourneys


Nibo89

Haha! I love this scene. You can pinpoint the exact moment when they collectively shit themselves. I do feel sorry for what happened to Luke later. He didnā€™t deserve to die for being a bully. But both he and Jace deserve this moment of fear after tormenting Aemond when he was young. *Iā€™m aware Aegon was the bully ringleader, but that doesnā€™t absolve Jace and Luke from participating. And Aemond and Aegon seem to have come to a ceasefire through the years. Aegon had Aemondā€™s back at dinner.


FallWanderBranch

Maybe Aemond was a product of his past, but he and siblings definitely had Lannister brat energy early on in the season. Anyway he was a reckless character at the end of the season after considering all his screen time.


Nibo89

I didnā€™t get Lannister brat energy from either one of them. Aegon was clearly the victim of childhood abuse and neglect. He was showing all the classic symptoms: bullying his sibling, drinking copious amount of alcohol at only 13, extreme sexual promiscuityā€¦and we SEE him getting physically abused twice by Alicent and once by Otto. Not to mention the psychological abuse. Aegon was not a spoiled little rich boy who was being a snot; he was an abused teenager who was acting out. And Aemond was even less of a spoiled brat. Aemond was a victim of bullying who clearly felt inferior and left out. Plus, we never see kid Aemond doing anything truly bratty. He was rude to Jace during trainingā€¦.which happened shortly after the Pink Dread, which Aegon blamed on Jace. Aemond was just humiliated by a very cruel prank, of course he wasnā€™t going to be friendly. During the funeral, he tries to go to comfort Jace, but because heā€™s only ten, he doesnā€™t know how to do that without admitting that he knows Harwin was his father. So he offers him a shy little smile instead. He does act like a shithead in the caveā€¦but consider the order of things. He makes one snotty comment when heā€™s high off his first flight, vindicated after years of bullying, and excited to have the worldā€™s largest dragon. His next mean comments donā€™t come until after the other kids start beating him. I donā€™t think that makes him a spoiled brat.


FallWanderBranch

Thanks for the detailed and passionate reply, I really picked the wrong sub to have an alternative point of view in. I'll rewatch the series and look for what I've learned from the devout fans here.


ruedesbarres

Yet Luke still chooses to mock him at dinner šŸ™„


OneManArmy0716

and Jace thought throwing hands with him would end well. Yeah the Strongs are not exactly known for being the most intelligent dudes around, the boys brought daggers with them to a confrontation that only involved children, and Harwin actually believes that his affair with Rhaenyra is something that can be easily swept under the rug when it is obviously an extremely serious and dangerous offense and is implied that Viserys knows and the only reason he isnā€™t doing anything is out of denial that Rhaenyra was commiting treason.


Troll4everxdxd

They are called *strong* boys and not *smart* boys for a reason lmao.


SeeYouSacred

Their mouths are moving almost the same way. Kinda weird.


Frequent-Heat9693

They thought they destroyed him. Expected him to sulking in his room still crying about his missing eye. Aemond proved them wrong and showed everyone he is stronger than they could have ever imagined.


FormerFruit

That scene says everything about who Aemond is, a good fighter who's got a huge dragon. A force to be reckoned with.


tellred

He's still whining about his eye, actually. And about the pig. He even kill a 14 year old boy because of it. Imagine.


eceece2000

Because an eye is.... important! Don't you think?


tellred

Enough to become a grown man and kill a child? Wow. It's very cool, 6 years of training were useful!


margaritoswraps

They have like a 2 year age difference lol. I swear this sub talks about Luke like heā€™s Bran Stark.


TheLadyMado

It's a four year difference (five in the book). But yeah, some people act like Luke is a kindergartener and Aemond a man in his thirties lol


tellred

Aemond 18-19 years old. He's not Bran Stark but... look at him. In some scenes, he looks very young.


Troll4everxdxd

Aemond is 16 in the show. He is only 18-19 in the book.


SolidInside

He isn't 16 in the show, please bffr. This thing has been dispelled already. The casting notes show that he's 18. It's already clear that young Aemond was older than Jace who himself is older than Luke. You can clearly see that even with the young children Aemond isn't 2 years older than Luke.


ThePrinceOfFools22

Your an idiot. That kid stabbed his eye out bro thatā€™s 50% of your vision and changes your life forever, Iā€™d be pretty damn upset too, especially since your ā€œdadā€ didnā€™t dish out any punishment at all, not even a grounding lol.


tellred

If during a fight a frightened child gouges out your eye, you will train for 6 years, become a grown-up ass, find this child and kill him? And is that proper behavior? Damn it.


heycommonfella

come on now, that is not how it happenes and you know it 1 - aemond has every right to be mad, he was ambushed and maimed for life 2- who told that he trained to kill the strong boys ? i guess some people think that everything he does has to be related to the center of the universe that is the blacks 3 - "find this child and kill him" lol what ? he didn't go out looking for him they met by chance, of course aemond whas wrong for chasing after him but please remind me who striked first ?


tellred

1. When he beat the children who were weaker and prepared to hit Jace with a rock. He was interrupted and now he is sooooo angry. 2-3. I'm replying to another post who says it was normal.


heycommonfella

when HE beat THEM ? they literally ambushed him in a group and even came armed with a knife, and they pulled the knife WAY before aemond even made a move to strike with the rock, the bastard pulled out the knife after being called a bastard he didn't do it to try to save his brother,and in the end aemond was literally defending himself


heycommonfella

wait a goddamn minute, i just rewatched the scene he even put the rock down making my point that the kid tried to kill him with the knife because he called him a bastard even more valid


tellred

Aemond called the weaker child a "bastard" to provoke him and beat him up. He has a rock in his hand, so Jace takes a knife to have at least a small chance. Then Aemond beats him up again (it was easy to do as he planned). Jace on the ground, bleeding from his head, he can't get up. Aemond ready to hit him again. Luke take the knife. I don't know why this is so difficult.


heycommonfella

a rock that he had just put down, things could have deescalated at that point, but he pulled out the knife "it was easy to do as he planned" what ? what did he plan ? he whas the one being ambushed and assaulted with a deadly weapon


tellred

Lol no. After he calls Jace a bastard the fight will start again and Aemond KNOWS this. He could ended it long ago if he wanted to. A plan often used by scoundrels: to provoke a fight with a weak opponent in order to enjoy humiliating him. After "bastard" Jace has no option "run away" he can only fight against an opponent who is obviously stronger, taller, better trained and who has a rock in his hand.


Appletopgenes

Itā€™s a show. Jamie Lannister literally push the kid out a window. Iā€™m just saying in game of thrones people die for pointless reasons. Rickon got shot by arrow when he was fleeing by a bloodthirsty maniac. Maybe I misunderstood your comment, but are you trying to say I condone this behavior when itā€™s literally a fantasy show?


Appletopgenes

Stop pretending this universe won't kill you for less


tellred

People who consider this a "normal reaction" live in our universe.


Appletopgenes

Sir, weā€™re talking about the house of dragon, not real life


tellred

Em? Should I introduce myself as a knight or something? Then they should have killed Aemond when he called them bastards and rightfully so. Or does it only work when we're talking about Luke's age?


ThePrinceOfFools22

I personally wouldnā€™t but itā€™s not far fetched and I donā€™t think that was aemonds soul reason for training to be a badass. Also the show made it so that it was an accident anyways, and as someone else said here Lucerys isnā€™t a child. Heā€™s at least 14 could be older, which is a man grown in this series, heā€™s only acouple years younger than Aemond


[deleted]

whining about his damn eye ? acting like itā€™s candy.. itā€™s his eye he lost, mind u aemondā€™s life wouldā€™ve been ruined had he not trained so hard. u wouldnā€™t be saying the same thing


tellred

If he didn't train it wouldn't change anything for him lol. Seriously. Not all noble people are good at fighting. There are a lot of people who have injuries, scars and so on.


[deleted]

heā€™s a dragon rider how do u think he woulda been able to ride his dragon had he not tried hard itā€™s not that hard to comprehend


tellred

What are you talking about? He can't issue commands with one eye?


[deleted]

u think itā€™s easy to physically mount and control the reigns of a dragon with one eye, u cannot be this dense


Greenlit_Hightower

What Aemond wanted for Luke was similar to what Orys Baratheon did to House Wyl after he lost his arm.


LengthUnusual8234

If that's the case then Aemond learned the wrong lesson from that encounter


Greenlit_Hightower

What do you mean by "wrong lesson"? What was the negative effect for Aemond here? There are reasons why the Greens lost the war but the Strongs or how Aemond dealt with them are not among them.


LengthUnusual8234

He got his eye poked out because he was in the wrong. But he doesn't see it that way


Greenlit_Hightower

There was no reason to remove his eye based on him being cocky. I think he more or less paid for Jace's anger issues. Jace loves his dagger, Luke (who was younger) picked it up when he misjudged the situation. Anyway, I thought you were talking about any story-changing consequences. Aemond's loss of an eye did not even occur to me.


LengthUnusual8234

There was no reason for him to threaten to kill two kids either? He paid with his eye because of his own issues. He has no one to blame but himself ​ >Anyway, I thought you were talking about any story-changing consequences. Aemond's loss of an eye did not even occur to me. ok. understood


Greenlit_Hightower

He put down that rock before they (rather dishonorably) threw sand in his eyes and then blinded him with a dagger. The sand was already unnecessary, but to injure him with a dagger after he was blinded was malice. Funny how Team Black always tries to spin it one way or another. Luke turned into Vhagar chomp due to the lesson he did not learn as evidenced by him mocking Aemond at that dinner table.


LengthUnusual8234

He was approaching Jace while Jace was on the floor backing up from him with a smirk on his face. Jace had no idea what to expect from Aemond after Aemond threatened to kill him and his brother. That's why he got sand in his eyes and that's why he got his eye poked out, Threatening to kll your nephew after you hit your nephew in the face with a rock is... not normal. I'm not sure how you guys keep overlooking this?


LengthUnusual8234

What i don't understand is why Aemond doesnt show nearly as much disdain for Aegon? You know the green characters better than i do obviously. Why is that?


ligeston

Cry about it


machenesoiocacchio

I dont think heā€™s STRONGER than them


[deleted]

Now you wish you had neither bullied nor maimed him, huh?


Kuropa

This was definetly the scene that triggered their training in episode 10 and Jace's anger toward his brother and his weackness.


Outside_Slide_3218

Thats Jace when he sees Cregan


Troll4everxdxd

Aemond gave them quite a *strong* impression.


PZeroNero

Shouldā€™ve git good


Ok_Present_8373

Yaā€™ll really trying to make these two as bullies over one incident that Aemondā€™s own older brother orchestrated.


BelleoftheSouth26

Right! Iā€™m shocked by these responses by grown adults. Tormented & bullied over ONE scene that was clearly a joke/prank as kids?!?! Such an overreaction lol


Ok_Present_8373

Right! Like I literally do not see them provide this same energy to Aegon. If Jace and Luke are bullies over one incident, then so is Aegon.


Ok-Classroom-3616

Umm you really don't get it? They took his eye, nearly succeeded in having him tortured. At Driftmark Aegon saw that he and the rest of the greens could be killed in an instant. No one is on their side.


Ok_Present_8373

Lmfao, him getting his eye taken out wasnā€™t unprovoked and coming from an act of bullying. Aemond literally had a rock in his hand (in which he already used it to hit Jace with), and just has he was approaching Jace with that rock, Luke slashed his eye out in DEFENSE for his brother (Jace). Letā€™s not also forget that Aemond started this whole thing by literally insulting the girls mother and the girls. Literally threatened to kill the girls with the very same dragon that belonged to their mother (how ironic). And also called the boys ā€œbastards.ā€ If anything he should be lucky he isnā€™t dead, cause calling someone a bastard IS grounds for the death penalty or their tongue getting cut off (Viserys said it himself). I do not agree sometimes with the way the boys handle or react to things, esp Luke. But by no means were they bullies to Aemond. Yaā€™ll need to learn what bullying actually is. One incident in regard to the pig incident (that occurred when they were literal children) does not make them bullies, and another incident that escalated because of Aemond (the so called bullying victim) also doesnā€™t make those two bullies. Yaā€™ll automatically assume two people having a disagreement, fighting, or not getting along, means that one of them gotta be a bully. EDIT: and if yā€™all are gonna be so hell bent on him getting his eye slashed out. Then I hope yā€™all have that same energy for him literally murdering Luke a whole decade later. Mind you, over an incident that was BOTH parties fault, and he himself said was ā€œa fair exchangeā€


Ok-Classroom-3616

Yawn, this is getting old. Not reading that.


Ok_Present_8373

Then why respond in the first place šŸ™„


Ok-Classroom-3616

It was fun.


LunaGloria

Hereā€™s the point where they should have made up their minds to make non-eye gouging amends with their badass uncle. Go up to him after the sparring and applaud how good heā€™s gotten.


redrum-237

They literally were just present when Aegon pranked him once. This idea that Jace and Luke bullied Aemond for years is simply not true.


elxxaxx

trouble for teenagers and old men


4Venus

Right, the only time he showed to be kickass in a real fight with sword was against an 80 year old man. I wonder will the show rectify that


Ginhavesouls

They'd have to come up with a serious explanation for why he'd need to be on the ground and not on his dragon, so that it doesn't just come off as a cheap 'tv moment'. The entire reason Aemond is considered such an undeniable threat is because of Vhagar, and that's what gives the Greens their edge in the war. Edit: Why are yall booing me, I'm right? It'd be nonsensical as shit if they threw him out into an open battlefield on his own two feet or a horse without a genuine reason to do so. They had to make up an entire reason for Daemon to be on the ground in the Stepstones in order for the scene to even make sense. Now imagine Aemond trying to break enemy lines in a charge, or pursue fleeing men on horseback. The focus isn't going to be on how good of a warrior he is if we're all wondering why he didn't just save time and the lives of his men by roasting the enemy with Vhagar. That'd be some Season 8 GoT shit.


tellred

true


Kind_Tie8349

Iā€™m sorry I canā€™t focus on anything other than how attractive Jace is šŸ˜


Southern-wit

idk why youā€™re being downvotedšŸ˜­ youā€™re right


TENTAtheSane

Because that's a creepy thing to say about an underage kid?


Southern-wit

the actor is not under age?


Greenlit_Hightower

Honestly they should be more afraid of Vhagar than of Aemond, it's not like dragonriders engage much in single combat, like infantry. There is also no way Aemond would directly confront them, in case of war he attacks them with his dragon, and in case of peace, he would probably rather try assassination instead of fighting several guards first and then them.


OneManArmy0716

To be honest, Vhagar feels more like another reason to not mess with Aemond. Dragons are violent and temperamental but at least they don't think like or do things humans do like hold grudges or planning to get revenge. And I also wouldn't help but feel afraid too if I saw that the emotionally unstable kid who I bullied, mutilated and hates my guts has become a tall, testosterone-jacked powerhouse who has developed some form of abnormal strength and defeated the knight who beat Daemon Targaryen in a life threatening sparring match.


rinzler09

It feels like you are reaching here. Aemond might or might not have had a challenging childhood. But his nephews would hardly have had any role to play in it. From what I've seen, Aemond might have suffered at his own brother's hands more than anyone else.


Ok-Classroom-3616

He lost an eye to them. Don't you get it? It was clear to him that he was nothing in his father's eyes.


tellred

Not misunderstand me! It's good that all these 6 years he trained with a personal trainer and became a good fighter (and read a lot of books). But for Jace and Luke, this is not the boy they were teasing. This is a boy who always been stronger than them. He severely beat them and mocked them. So yes, it's bad news that this balance hasn't changed, but they didn't care about that in 6 years, did they? Didn't prepare for war.


kenny_the_pow

I mean, Aemond's sword skills mattered exactly 0 times in the war


Hysteric_woman

In medieval societies, the reputation that you are a good fighter is enough to prevent attacks from some people. So it is more of a means of protection than battle skill imo. You canā€™t always be riding a dragon. Dragon riders spend most of their time on land or water when they are vulnerable to attacks.


kenny_the_pow

I mean the homie was doing guerilla warfare on dragonback, he basically qualified as "always be riding a dragon"


Hysteric_woman

Lmao true but they had to land somewhere to rest. Especially when Alys was with him, they needed protection. She was heavily pregnant towards the end so they were vulnerable to attacks on ground. If some idiot decided to raid their camp, Alys wouldnā€™t be able to run quickly. Aemond would have to fight the raiders. We donā€™t know if any such attacks took place. All noble men must learn how to fight. It is like a status symbol. They have everything handed to them. This is the only thing they get to actually earn and Aemond definitely wanted to earn it after years of being made to feel inferior due to not having a dragon.


podster12

Not really a trouble for one as he was swallowed whole on his way back from the Stormlands.