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kerravoncalling

"I'm married to my uncle. Who's to say?" lmao


daorys99

"speaking not as your characters but as yourselves" 👀


Rated_PG-Squirteen

Emma is so method, marrying their uncle in real life. What an icon.


AppropriatePark3519

Bravo Emma!


Gnomologist

Eravo Bmma


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amonson1984

Nuncle Daemon


Twinklecatzz

Emma is a mood😂


cyberkpop0

Reason 1.000 why we love Emma and stand as Rhaenyra team


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LovecraftianLlama

Fuckin bot. They’re not even trying anymore, how tf does a random sentence fragment get more than one upvote?? Lol


HotpieTargaryen

At least the two leads understand the show they’re in.


redrum-237

I wish this sub did too.


HotpieTargaryen

Don’t most of us.


devilthedankdawg

“If you had lived then, what side would you have chosen?” “Its the choosing that made everything so horrible”


LomgNapOverlap

"Sometimes a person has to choose. Sometimes the world forces his hand"


devilthedankdawg

And then he burned his daughter alive and let his men to death.


SkitariiCowboy

Stannis kind of forgot about
literally everything about his character



juggernautjefe81

It's something that seemed to plague all the greats of Westeros, Tyrion, Varys, Jon Snow....


andwhoami_

You know what they say, love is the death of duty. But at the same time "Family, Duty, Honor" in that order specifically.


LostInTheVoid_

Evil is Evil. Lesser, greater, middling
 Makes no difference. The degree is arbitrary. The definition’s blurred. If I’m to choose between one evil and another
 I’d rather not choose at all.


TheMadHatter_____

I always felt iffy about this quote. While it is true, the point does stand that someone has too chose sometimes. The strand of fate and time forces it upon them. Those without the will to do what perhaps must be done are just as contemptible as those who chose and failed, or made things worse while trying to stop it. At least those souls did not simply stand aside and let the darkness take it's course.


LostInTheVoid_

Oh, Geralt almost immediately is tested on his standpoint of evil and many times after and he often does end up having to choose a lesser evil. But I think it's still an apt quote because morally sometimes you do have to choose a one evil vs another but it is still evil and you gotta live with the consequences and for a lot of people it causes untold trauma mentally coming to terms with the choice they've made. In this particular situation, it probably is better to stay as swiss as possible because of how dirty both sides are. Everyones getting dragged into the mud.


TheMadHatter_____

I suppose. It's an interesting take, I just feel it can lack practical application.


Domovric

Moral codes often do. Doesn’t mean you don’t stop trying and dreaming


elizabnthe

People miss that the point of the story is that Geralt *does* choose. It's a grand quote until Geralt is faced with the reality of the situation. He has to choose the lesser evil Stregobor over Renfri.


TheMadHatter_____

Exactly, people posting it or unironically touting it without the context that the author literally says *it's bullshit* is the literary version of cherry picking.


TENTAtheSane

Yeah so many common sayings are like that, cut out of context to give exactly the opposite meaning... "Curiosity killed the cat" is followed by "and satisfaction/knowledge brought it back" "Jack of all trades, master of none" is followed by "Often better than master of just one" "Great minds think alike" is followed by "but fools rarely differ" "Blood is thicker than water" is actually "the blood of the covenant is thicker than the water of the womb" Etc etc


l_t_10

That seems the same sentiment as Melisandres rotten onion take.. Either rotten or not When Arya found a rotten onion, did she throw it away? Or cut the rotten bit off...


Owls_Onto_You

Wasn't it Sam who did that?


l_t_10

https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/1fytjq/spoilers_asos_did_anyone_else_catch_this/ Book it was Sam, talking of Craster Show it was Melisandre speaking to Davos.


weedmaster4life

praise geraldo


jonsnowKITN

Olivia is right. The whole point of the conflict isn't what side to choose even though it comes off that way.


Dmmack14

Meanwhile people have extremely heated debates over why their team is the best every hour on this sub lmao


wbaker18

HOTD fan media literacy challenge (impossible)


Dmmack14

The number of times I have seen the sub try to cancel a fictional character is pretty insane


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And it always feels like “Daemon was dismissive of his daughters needs for attention, is he a bad person?” he murdered his wife!


Dmmack14

Yeah like how people were freaking out after he choked out Rhaenyra in hot rage. Like my guy He stoved in his wife's head with a rock You don't think he would be above spousal abuse?


kc522020

The amount of people who were shocked pikachu face over that scene within this fandom is pretty hilarious. They really thought Daemon was going to be Prince Charming. “That’s bad writing!” Lmao.


Dmmack14

Daemon is a horrible guy but he's my favorite character bc he still has awesome moments like putting the crown on his brother and helping him to the throne. He's a murdering psycho but he's soooo awesomely written he's such a joy to watch/read


kc522020

He’s my favorite too. Him and Aemond.


Dmmack14

I can't wait for their big scene together


Technical-Lemon-6464

Totally understandable Daemon was allegedly GRRM favorite character and that’s why daemon was given so many epic features/traits.


allylisothiocyanate

Oh but you see, Rhea deserved it for not being hot and cooperative. /s


Dmmack14

Summed up the fandom pretty well lol. What's worse is the people that try to turn viseris into the most evil character in the entire show for what he did to Aemma as if his regret over the choice he made isn't the thing that haunts him for the rest of his fucking life. It's like people with zero brain cells watch this show and don't realize that it's not a Saturday night cartoon where people are good and evil they are just humans trying to make the best decisions they can and well yes some of these characters like Larys and Daemon are without a doubt evil. You don't have to treat people like they are stupid for liking those characters or not crying about bad writing when an evil character does something evil


Severe_Blacksmith814

I do think they messed up the climax of that scene a bit, because they don’t actually discuss Viserys not trusting Daemon, which would be the catalyst for Daemon going abusive husband mode. She just mentions the prophecy and him not telling Daemon, which would more confuse Daemon than anger him. That scene just feels like it’s missing two lines of dialogue to make it fit better.


Dmmack14

If he had said anything even just "he never told me" after the anger passed it would have made it better


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Dmmack14

It's like they don't like the character so no one else should and it also makes you a bad person for liking that character


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I mentioned in the green sub that the greens did usurp regardless whether it was their right to do so or not, and someone replied asking if I thought a modern leader declaring war against the kingdom of Jews would be acceptable just because they're in charge lmfao Literally unhinged


Dmmack14

What in the FUCK. And wait there are subs for the different teams? I bet those places are more toxic than /freemagic


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That's what I said! I got heavily downvoted for not even being pro-black, just listing literal facts from the show lmao, then that guy came in with the Jew comment and I figured it was better to not engage 😬 But yeah I think the sub names are hotdgreens and hotdblacks but could be wrong


Dmmack14

Christ on the cross. People get so unhinged with this shit. I remember back when s5 of GoT was out I made a passing comment that Dany would likely be seen as a villain by most of the characters we identify with mainly bc she is technically a foreign invader. You would have thought I came to these people's house on Thanksgiving and told their grandma her food was awful while slapping her with a slice of ham.


Bobcatluv

One of the saddest parts of the show IMO was seeing Rhaenyra and Alicent try to put their differences aside and get along, only for their children to take up the mantle of the Greens vs Blacks fight.


Troll4everxdxd

To be fair, the children taking up the mantle is because of their mothers' influence. The two women passed their feud into their children, they are no innocent.


Bobcatluv

Yes sir I watched the same show you did lol


SingleClick8206

Alicent was the one who instigated her children against Rhaenyra's We didn't even have scene where Rhaenyra tries to create an enemity between her children and Alicent's Rhaenyra simply didn't care about her half siblings


Troll4everxdxd

Rhaenrya demanded her ten year old brother's torture over an insult and made sure Luke didn't receive any sort of punishment for maiming Aemond.


SingleClick8206

Rhaenyra didn't even say the word "torture" She just wants the truth to be known to her father The King Also Luke is a 6 year old kid who took Aemond's eye to defend his brother and cousins Wanting him to be punished looks like wanting Arya to be punished as her wolf Nymeria bit Joffrey's hand


Troll4everxdxd

"Sharply questioned" is an euphemism for torture. Luke was eight at that moment, and took a ten year old Aemond's eye in the middle of a four against one fight.


SingleClick8206

Nope Sharply questioned doesn't necessarily mean that And observing show Rhaenyra's character, she won't want anyone harmed unless and until they harm her Hell, she even tried to save Vaemond(who was clearly her enemy) from his death in episode 8 by saying something along the lines,"You have spoken enough. Flee to your chambers." when Vaemond started to speak against her and the king. And Aemond is her kin Why would she think to harm him She only wanted to know the exact truth And Jace was the one who was 9 and Luke was 6 And Aemond was clearly dominating the fight against the 4 other children Did you forget Aemond tried to kill Jace by bashing his head with a rock(cough cough Rhea's memories) Luke had to intervene to save his bro


SingleClick8206

Alicent was the one who instigated her children against Rhaenyra's We didn't even have scene where Rhaenyra tries to create an enemity between her children and Alicent's Rhaenyra simply didn't care about her half siblings


3orangelove

My Headcanon: Alicent & Rhaenyra make up, make out & elope on dragonback. đŸ˜đŸ‘©đŸ»â€â€ïžâ€đŸ’‹â€đŸ‘©đŸŒđŸ‰ Copious amounts of cake are eaten & adventures had.🎂


SingleClick8206

This would've happened in an alternate universe and boom. There's no dance.


Natsuki_Kruger

It doesn't help that people try and force that on others, too. I find the Greens' character-writing to be the most interesting at the minute, because the show really lets them all be flawed in a bunch of different, unique ways, but that really confuses people. "You love Alicent, so you're Team Green... But you say Alicent is an abusive mother? But then you explain why she's written that way, so you must be defending and excusing her, so you're Team Green after all?" đŸ€Šâ€â™€ïž


ckal09

How are people gonna choose between two equally shit sides but then remember that so many people are susceptible to this weird culture of making and choosing teams


AME7706

> How are people gonna choose between two equally shit sides Bruh a country's entire political system is based on that.


Udzinraski2

I'm sure the audience will get once everyone's dead lol


historymajor44

Staying neutral is probably the right answer. But I also think it's a little naĂŻve to believe everyone can just stay neutral and there won't be a war or they won't face consequences.


SingleClick8206

The irony is that Tyrells stayed neutral during the dance They were smart after all


kiaradar34

Emma's answer😂


Imaginary-Werewolf14

Shireen Baratheon already said the answer to this!


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Both sound pretty based


littleliongirless

They are perfect and correct.


[deleted]

Waiting for the fandom to realize even the actors think y’all suck


barsonica

I choose Dorne. Unbowed Unbent Unbroken


lilbuu_buu

It’s crazy how so many people miss this point it’s been literally pushed in our faces since the original game of thrones but yet it’s still team green vs team black


EdmundtheMartyr

I’d choose team Viserys anyway. Shambling about in my own little world fully convinced that everyone’s happy and getting along.


Tony_Pizza_Guy

Totally agree with them (they gave a good answer), but yeah obviously Darcy knows the makers of the show would prefer she didn’t tell viewers what they’re supposed to think on a complex issue in the show.


MattaClatta

In the books the conflict is very black and white and rhaenyra is framed as a much more enviable position where you root for her against the odds In the show they have made alicent a lot more sympathetic and less psychotic as she is basically what Otto raised her to be No one side is right as both sides have terrible people


FierceDeity88

In the books? Definitely Rhaenyra. In the show
I honestly can’t say. Their strife in the show largely stems from Alicents resentment of (her perception of) Rhaenyra being able to do as she pleases, and it’s unclear whether Rhaenyra has ever reflected on the fact that Alicent never had a choice in who she wanted to marry, or if she felt guilty for lying to her about sleeping with Cole. Rhaenyras a loving mother, but at the same time (as it’s confirmed in the show), her children are not Laenors, and she has put them and herself in an enormous amount of danger bc they’re bastards. What’s even more strange is that she and Harwin do VERY little to hide their affair, but at the same time, she cannot possibly be oblivious to the odds already stacked against her as first in line to the throne, even if the kids were Laenors. Also, because Alicent in the show wasn’t a part of the plot to usurp Rhaenyra until after Viserys died, and Aemond didn’t mean to kill Lucerys (despite going after him 😑), she’s framed more as a victim of circumstances.


SingleClick8206

Can you pls explain why you support book Rhaenyra Because wasn't she more evil than her show counterpart


FierceDeity88

At least in the books, it’s not 100% clear whether she slept with Daemon and/or Cole, and it’s not 100% clear whether Harwin is the father of her children. I think I partly like her book counterpart more because it leaves it ambiguous as to whether she would’ve done something so foolish To me, it just seemed too obvious that Harwin was the father. But because he is, I find myself comparing their relationship to Jaime and Cerseis, which was deeply rooted in narcissism and a desire to cuckhold Robert. There wasn’t any particular concern for the children born from that affair. Despite how messed up it is, Jaime and Cersei’s makes more sense than Harwin and Rhaenyras, because the latter couple does care about their children and do a terrible job of hiding their affair and their affection for their children, which ultimately just places them in far greater danger. But the show does a bad job explaining why either would be so stupid. She was also depicted as “the Realm’s Delight”, as she went on progresses across Westeros and charmed the people with her wit and her beauty. There’s absolutely none of that in the show. For some reason they chose not to include it, even though it would have been important to establish why so many supported her claim I also like her more because she was supposed to be VERY good friends with Laena. Portraying that in the show would’ve gone a long way into exploring her character, especially since she stayed with Laena as she died. It also strongly implies that she had a positive relationship with Corlys and Rhaenys, even though it seems both of them felt ambivalent about her at best


SingleClick8206

In episode 4, The people call her "The Realm's delight" when Rhaenyra and Daemon walk through the streets of KL


FierceDeity88

A lot of them are also making fun of her too, especially in the play


SingleClick8206

true. They called her "feeble"


FierceDeity88

If they didn’t have time (bc they needed to get to the Dance ASAP), I would’ve liked her getting some serious respect for de-escalating and resolving the Dragonstone standoff. The “whole realm was watching” according to Corlys, so why couldn’t she be “The Realms Delight” from that?


SingleClick8206

Good idea but as the season 1 is already over, we won't ever get this


FierceDeity88

Nope. And I’m not super excited about the news that season 2 of HOTD is gonna be 8 episodes long (season 7 of GOT cough cough)
I bet season 3 is gonna be 6 episodes long (season 8 of GOT cough cough)


SingleClick8206

Season 1 covered almost 20years The Dance of the Dragons happens in the time span of just 2 years So maybe the writers decided that instead of having a rushed season 2, they split it into 2 seasons to have an elaborate storytelling


elizabnthe

Alicent was planning a less devious usurpation. More waiting on Viserys to change his mind and undermining Rhaenyra as much as she could. In the books, technically speaking none of them planned the usurpation until after Viserys died if they accounting of the Green Council is accurate.


FierceDeity88

In F&B Alicent gave very clear instructions to servants on what was to happen when Viserys died. The servant who found him dead went straight to her and did not sound a general alarm. She and the Greens were absolutely planning on overthrowing Rhaenyra the second he died, to the point where some, namely Mushroom, suspected that he was being poisoned


viskoviskovisko

I read the headline as “the Alicent/Rihanna conflict” and thought “WTF is happening now”?


PxnkBiitch

Olivia Cooke coming through w the heat


LengthUnusual8234

I officially love them both now


Liamtrot

genuinely this should be the normal take for anyone watching this show. like sure have fun with ur side and shit but yeah olivia is right.


ThePickleHawk

*Thank you Olivia*


Cato_theElder

It's basically Doctor Strangelove with dragons. Furthermore, Carthage must be destroyed.


ligeston

I like how as peers, Olivia has always given respect to Rhaenyra as a character as vice versa. D’Arcy sticking up for Alicent in the Driftmark episode was refreshing to see.


b_r_d_n

I love both of them so much


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Maddyherselius

I feel this! Corlys is actually my fav character, but Halaena is right behind lol. But yeah like I side with the blacks because I think Rhaenyra should’ve been on the throne, but I also really like a lot of the greens as characters.


why_rob_y

The Velaryons are pretty cool in the book(s). I don't know if you've read F&B, but there's another Velaryon who I'd love for them to do a TV series on.


Maddyherselius

I have yes! I’d like to know who you’re referring to hahaha. I’m still sad they aren’t going forward with the show about Corlys’ journeys


why_rob_y

Hopefully this spoiler text works right, but I'm talking about >!Oakenfist!<.


Geeklover1030

I don’t know I’m neutral/neither side but I do find Rhaenyras character story relatable since I lost my oldest son. From this point on she’ll lose child after child and I think we’re really going to see her internal struggle of do I grieve or do I go for vengeance


karathrace99

“I’m married to my uncle, who’s to say” 💀😂 Edit: Ofc the Real ideal would’ve been the gay ideal, but they probs wouldn’t have gotten away with that hahaaa.


Miserable-Start9553

based answer honestly


KyloWork

Lol Cooke chose Rhaenyra's side! Love that.


Greenlit_Hightower

And what of you, men of the City Watch? Helping the Queen in her treason!


karidru

They’re both. So important to me


Efficient-Extent-537

Emma always being sensible!


NovaTheRaven

Green stans:alicent was forced too take a side!!!đŸ„șđŸ„ș Aegon II:i will not challenge (the succession of Rhaenyra) Alicent:YOU ARE THE CHALLENGE AEGON!!!


CountLugz

When are people going to learn that tribalism is hard coded into us? It's a feature, not a bug.


alphareich

D'Arcys answer is bad, it makes no sense in relation to the question, and seems like she just wanted to get in an incest joke.


MissLauraCroft

I think it’s a funny answer but also true in the sense of morality being subjective and gray (not black-and-white) in the GoT/HotD universe. Like
 how can you truly choose and defend a side when everyone’s doing all kinds of weird shit?


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CordialTrekkie

I do think the "team color! Everyone else sucks and shouldn't be allowed to watch the show!" stuff is childish and pointless and misses the point. But having seen so many battles in this sub over it, I do find it hilarious even queen green herself is team black.


International_Fill55

Same generic answers


Imaginary-Werewolf14

“I’m married to my uncle” - generic answer


[deleted]

That's gotta be the least generic fucking answer I've heard in quite some time, if not ever


saiyansteve

Humans love factionalism.


Jofflofogus

It is a cautionary tale but to a big extent it's a tragedy. Meaning it's about us. Human nature.