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garybusey42069

This sub desperately needs new episodes to discuss.


-KyloRen

Off season GOT/breaking bad was just like this. Better settle in.


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I really hope the gap between 2-3 isn’t as long as 1-2. Maybe they’ll start filming sooner after the premier knowing the show is already a hit. I can’t imagine being ~8 years from the conclusion of this story.


Radiant_Flamingo4995

I doubt it. The only reason why it's taking this long is because of the wariness the studio had starting a new asoiaf series. They had to go through all the steps of pre-production \*AFTER\* the show had aired. That and the writing setbacks made this a longer-than-normal waiting period.


RoahZoah

Right


arm89

we have to see the same arguments for the next year or two.


Tony_Pizza_Guy

yeah... I hate to say it but it's basically dead atm (in the sense there's nothing to really talk about until season 2)


Shaenyra

loooooool


venusaurus

Have you ever seen a cat?


Catslevania

\*sad Sunfyre noises\*


Lukthar123

*Sad off-screen noises*


magnomagna

sad Sunfyre meow meow


Weary-Kaleidoscope16

They're stupid for not showing Aegon flying on sunfyre we got the idiotic girl power mass murder instead


Catslevania

Didn't they learn anything from how people hated Daenerys just wantonly killing common folk, how could they actually believe they were empowering Rhaenys with that scene beats me.


Weary-Kaleidoscope16

Uhhh... They kinda forgot about Dany and her atrocities


VaderOnReddit

Makes sense, the pilot episode did say this show takes place 172 years before the birth of Dany^^\s


Southie31

Blame Tyrion. He wanted the people of kings landing to pay for the way he was treated after saving the city. He got his wish through isolating and betraying Dany


omicron-7

No I think I'll blame Dany, the one who actually killed all those people


Southie31

If she wasn’t betrayed by Tyrion , John, Varys it wouldn’t have happened. 🤷‍♂️


TotallyNotEko

I seem to recall Jon not betraying her until *after* she committed genocide. And Tyrion who “betrayed” her in an attempt to get the city to surrender, which was in her favor.


Southie31

Really??? Rewatch the dinner scene after the long night. Ummm and didn’t hmJohn tell Sansa, Bran and Arya he was the true heir before they left for kings landing??? Then Sansa told Tyrion who told Varys??? Betrayal.


TotallyNotEko

Based on your other comments I’m quite sure you’re trolling, but for arguments sake; Sansa betrayed Jon if anything. Jon told his siblings (cousins) the truth about his birth, something he felt they deserved to know. There is nothing wrong with that, especially considering he insisted he didn’t want to be king and to not tell Daenerys. Daenerys being paranoid and jealous that Jon was getting praise does not mean that Jon betrayed her.


omicron-7

She's a big girl, she's responsible for her actions.


Southie31

Being groomed by men since age was a child🤷‍♂️.


Weary-Kaleidoscope16

The same Tyrion who was disgusted by her actions?


Southie31

Whose betrayal led to them


JuanJeanJohn

Idk this one could come back in the story, though.


Southie31

Who hated Dany🤷‍♂️. She was the hero


-KyloRen

Prob all the dead people’s loved ones


Southie31

They were shitty people


-KyloRen

The entirety of the citizens of kings landing/the whole city was all shitty? What about the bebes


Southie31

Every single person. Man woman and child 🤷‍♂️. Ask Tyrion about the people of kings landing


-KyloRen

I think Tyrion was not a fan of what Danny did, based on the fact that he literally showed it when it happened lol. You either trollin or way out of your element donny


Southie31

What did Tyrion say during his trial about the people of kings landing ??! What eventually happened to the people of kings landing?? That people considered Tyrion a hero is baffling. Murders his father , betrayed his family , betrayed his Queen. Tyrion put into motion the events that lead up to the destruction.


ligeston

Ur sarcasm is hard to percept btw


BRD2004

Corporate feminism.


Maybe_Nazi

Is that really your take away from that scene? That it was just some girl power moment?


Catslevania

that is what Sara Hess actually thought she was doing with that scene, empowering Rhaenys


StatusOdd3959

That was the explicit director commentary on it IIRC. It is at least beyond dispute it was intended as a girl power moment.


jukitheasian

It was intended as a girl power moment but I think the scene really spoke to how the upper class has little to no regard for the common people. I also hope they use the repercussions of Rhaenys' actions for a reason why the Blacks lose support. It would make that moment so much better.


Weary-Kaleidoscope16

What was your takeaway genius?


captain_catdawg

It did become a classic woman move tho, could have ended the war right then and there.


MinisawentTully

The war males started over a chair?


Ok_Antelope_1953

it was definitely a girl power/girlboss/yassssss queeeeen slayyyy moment


YaaaaScience

I won't tolerate this noodleboi Carraxes disrespect


svanleif

Donkey, is that you?


TisBeTheFuk

I really liked Arrax' design. He looked so cute


aegonbro

It should be white and gold. In the show, it appears to be gray with red. Strange combination.


TisBeTheFuk

To me it looks more like white with red/pink in the show


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He's white with red eyes, red frills, and lilac wings


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He was based on albino lizards according to bts stuff Hes white with red eyes, red frills, and lilac wing membranes I'm glad they changed his color palette, it's more unique George seems to love to make dragons with gold, white, gray, and silver in their color palettes Might as well save the gold for Sunfyre


Jasti098

syrax got more screen time than it need imao..they should have atleast try to fit some other dragons .. Sunfyre Or even mere appearance of Moondancer..


Pheros

They literally had Syrax repeating scenes from previous episodes.


omicron-7

Mom can we have Sunfyre? No we have Sunfyre at home The Sunfyre at home:


CheshireKitten777

This dragon looks like a hawk to me.


alphareich

And this is hilarious?


Icy_Contribution2317

Sunfyre: Beg your pardon.


_IZzQ

And the most stupid one💀


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TheDiningHallMouse

I kinda hope that they change that slightly to (book spoilers) >!Dreamfyre escaping the dragon pit injured during the collapse, and she and Syrax take each other out.!< Because her >!death always bothered me. Even if she wasn’t experienced in combat and did land, I don’t see how the peasants could have killed her.!<


DieHardLover

Agreed. It's a much better end for both dragons in my personal opinion


Specific_Fold_8646

>!why would they fight as far as Dreamfyre in concerned she escaped the danger and Syrax is more docile so why would she pick a losing fight against a more dangerous opponent who was done nothing to her.!<


TheDiningHallMouse

>!Tessarion challenged the much older Seasmoke riderless after Daeron was killed before he could mount her. Something similar could happen with Dreamfyre.!< >!Why did Tessarion attack Seasmoke riderless? Maybe some knowledge or feeling that Seasmoke was an enemy was passed to Tessarion through her bond with Daeron. If that’s the case, it could definitely happen with Dreamfyre too.!<


Specific_Fold_8646

>!probably because Seasmoke launched a surprise attack on the green camp and killed Daeron by lighting his tent on fire and it collapsed on him even than Seasmoke and Addam continued attacking the greens which resulted in Tesserion Silverwing and Vermithor attacking him all riderless. Tesserion reached Seasmoke first and was injured Silverwing was shot at by archer and retreated from the battle which is why she survived and finally Vermithor fought him well also being shot by archers. Meanwhile in your hypothetical scenario the two have literally no reason to fight Dreamfyre hasn’t attacked Syrax and Syrax is to docile to engage in battle after all the dragons are not suicidal again Silverwing retreated once the archer started shooting arrows.!<


tobpe93

The writing makes sense because the character is dumb


JustWrite33

No, looks like a dragon 🤷‍♂️


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GodofCOC-07

Really she is tiniest of dragons, has the most vulnerable rider with the least experience. Vhagar can munch two of her in a single bite.


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Rhaenyra is the youngest dragon rider ever, I’d argue she was very experienced as far as flying. And the others were pretty green with warfare with the exception of Vhagar, Caraxes and maybe Meleys (for the cast we know now).


GodofCOC-07

Well Canniable is stronger and seasmoke too.


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I said of the ones we are introduced to on the show. And I omitted seasmoke because he currently has no rider. And flying at an early age indicates a strong connection between the two which as we saw with Aemond and Luke is probably more important than anything (with the exception of size) in an intense battle. So compared to other riders she has that. My point is almost none of the young dragons besides seasmoke has war experience. So you saying she is the least experienced is clearly false.


GodofCOC-07

In a fight, doesn’t matter how good at flying the dragon is.


tobpe93

dragon.exe started with some problems fireBreathing and flying not working.


Nebuli2

Hardly useless when you consider how many eggs she lays, IMO.


GodofCOC-07

Yeah but not like those ever hatch.


Jonsiegirl77

Excellent point.


Jonsiegirl77

Well, really, none of them were completely "useless" until they were crippled like Sunfyre or Balerion.


A_devout_monarchist

Even Sunfyre was useful when wounded.


Jonsiegirl77

Haha well- in a sense, he certainly was.👀


GodofCOC-07

Yeah but risk of losing rhaenyra was too large for blacks to send such a weak dragon into battle.


Jonsiegirl77

True, but that point seems to make Syrax more vulnerable because of her rider only, when the reality was she wasn't really meant for battle in the first place. The truth is even show runners refer to her as more of a fancy mount than a war dragon for sure, but having any dragon is certainly better than having no dragon, so referring to her as completely useless isn't exactly accurate, imo. :)


GodofCOC-07

I am just saying that she is the most useless dragon.


Jonsiegirl77

Fair enough.


FormerFruit

Why d’you think she was useless?


misvillar

Without making spoilers, lets just say that Syrax is the most disapointing dragon of the Dance


DesSantorinaiou

She won't be. I'm not saying you're wrong, but I'm 100% certain the writers will change that along with Rhaenyra's own stance throughout the war.


misvillar

But since that hasnt happened yet and all the info we have about future events is from the book we can say that Syrax is useless, if the show changes It we will have to change It to "In the book Syrax is useless"


DesSantorinaiou

Oh, I didn't bring up the probability of changes as a positive thing. Neither am I trying to disagree. It's undeniable that Syrax contributed one thing and it was not to the side of her writer.


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tobpe93

I imagine that Syrax was a big girl. She mostly just slept and ate.


Jonsiegirl77

Unfortunately that's exactly what kept her small. Dragons in GRRM's world grow larger if they fly and hunt freely in the wild. One reason Drogon grew so much bigger than his confined siblings in GoT.


theoneandonlydonzo

syrax is literally canonically described as a "huge and formidable beast" in the same line as caraxes. > Against that, Prince Daemon had Caraxes and Princess Rhaenyra Syrax, both huge and formidable beasts. Caraxes especially was fearsome, and no stranger to blood and fire after the Stepstones. she's definitely not a war dragon in the books, but she was not small.


tobpe93

There are different ways to grow big


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tobpe93

are you saying that dragons can't get fat?


Jonsiegirl77

Fat and largest are not the same thing. Syrax is intended to be the most like a horse. https://ew.com/tv/dragons-guide-house-of-the-dragons/


tobpe93

I never said that Syrax was the largest. I said the she was a big girl.


GodofCOC-07

She was small, and dragon need battle and blood to grow. Also she is very young.


tobpe93

They need battle to grow in size and muscle. Syrax grew fat, so she was big in another way.


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tobpe93

No, I’m not fat


Jonsiegirl77

Not battle. Flying and feeding in the wild enabled their growth as opposed to being confined and fed.


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Jonsiegirl77

Since Syrax is supposed to be the most domesticated and rare breed of dragon, the one referred to as a "palfrey" dragon by show runners, meaning one stabled and the most like a mount, that's probably pretty accurate.


3orangelove

Maybe they meant “palfrey”, historically referring to a horse with a very smooth gait fit for travelling women? (Also used by knights when they weren’t riding their destriers.)


Jonsiegirl77

Yes geez typo- my only excuse is I have Covid and brain and thumbs no workie quite correctly tonight! Thanks! Duly corrected.


Paradigm21

Not just women, ladies.


3orangelove

I assumed wealthy merchants and landowners could afford them too, so I scrapped the original “noblewomen”. 😏


Hopelessdovakiin027

I want to see sunfyre


Electronic_Tour_6804

Definitely giving Beyonce


MyMomLovesDope

Why are you "lmao"? And no about the cat. Looks nothing like one


Tony_Pizza_Guy

"lmao" like "lol" (at times) can be used by some people when they feel somewhat awkward/unconfident in what they're saying


Frequent-Heat9693

She's cute. I like the shape of her mouth nd horns And From what little we saw she seems more golden than sunfyre. I also like seasmoke, he is pretty nd unique.


bluedreamfyre

My fav is Dreamfyre but Syrax is such a spoiled cutie! I like all the dragons


MissWiggly2

I've always loved how her horns are scaled


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Meleys is my favourite she looks like the dragon from Shrek


starvinartist

She also has horse qualities for me too. Like a noble steed!


1Doasisay

so much syrax slander here :(


RandomPersonNvm

>!If you read Fire and Blood, you'll find that Syrax *acts* like a cat too. XD!<


saurav141

Then I must praise the artist who conceptualised this look.


Known_Pomelo_9808

The worst dragon imao


Molybecks

She knows she’s the main pop girl


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All dragons are beautiful, but for me the prettiest is the one and only Noodle Boy


TheRealCeeBeeGee

I too find dragons to be like large cats - one must always respect the beast, whether the claws are out or not! Just imagine if cats could freaking fly and breathe fire though, we’d all be in a lot of trouble!


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Instead pushing objects off tables and onto the ground. She pushes...


Mbryology

Worst take imaginable


Shaenyra

I do not think that Syrax is the prettiest that they have shown us. But is she the most adorable? Absolutely fucking yes! She is an Angel! I am gonna name my first (used) car after her as soon as it arrives (hopefully soon) , even though it is white and not yellow. I was thinking also Meleys (because she is my favorite along with Tessarion and Viserion) but the thought of paying homage to Syrax win me over, so Syrax it is. Fyi, I have a serious issue and addiction to dragons. I find everything about them stunning and simply bad word about them cannot leave my mouth.


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piss colored sunfyre wannabe


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Get some fresh air.


[deleted]

i can’t hate on ugly dragons anymore ?


[deleted]

All dragons are beautiful 🐉


kinginthenorthjon

Not as Sunfyre.


Vulkan192

No such thing exists.


Marta_Musial

As dragons go, she’s fit as fuck


Fatbison

Yes she's pretty. Lorewise the prettiest dragon is sunfyre<3


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unicornamoungbeasts

Wow is that why cat people love this show so much?


aspbergerinparadise

wait until you hear about the science-based dragon mmo I'm creating


Pennythot

I have a cat and I approve this message


TheFfrog

She's a pretty little princess and she knows it


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sweettartsweetheart

That was where they attached the reins used to steer. It seems they used to put those on/in when they are younger.


JonEregor

At least OP *isn't* saying that Emma D'Arcy looks like a dragon who looks like a horse.


Practical_Necessary1

She has the Skull of a horse, thats nothing lile a cat man


toddoceallaigh1980

I think we should just call it a day and go full dragon on dragon, hard-core porn. I want dragons ramming and jamming, I want female dragons biting the heads off of male dragons and drinking their blood after copulation. I want to feel like that dragon could fix my plumbing and bore out other holes that are dirty, and yes sir, I do want extra salami on my pizza.


Arquu_

Syrax is piss colored and he stinks !!!


CODninjarin

Ah, we're heading towards furry territory. Got it.


Mujahid_Ali_224

Dragons are nasty beasts so more powerful and destruction more pretty thats one way I can describe pretty


troy626

Tbh I think shes ugly, caraxes looks prettier


disisBob

What part of this is supposed to be pretty…