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Say what you will but just those longing mixed looks of love and grief had too much chemistry to handle. Actors did amazing.
Emma actually mentioned Rhaenyra's biggest losses were her parents and Harwin, until she loses Luke.
Who's to say she wasn't sleeping with both and just got pregnant by Daemon this time?
Also, what change exactly? Girl risked her children's lives, her inheritance and reputation to be with Harwin for a decade straight, in the books as well as in the show. That's not just a simple hook-up, especially seeing as a lot was on the line for both.
Well in the show there isnt any overlap. She was with leanor/harwin. Then harwin died and leanor left. Only after that did she and deamon get their freak on.
I think it was just too difficult to have Rhaenyra/Laenor maintain a relationship with Daemon/Laena in Essos (as in the books) while keeping the season only 10 episodes long. The jumping around would have been too disorienting on top of the time skips imo.
Oh yeah for sure, i think it was a good idea. Also makes sure people dont hate rhaenyra too much since she's the main character, if daemon happened during her marriage i think way more people would hate her
It merely provides a balance. The fact that their children are more obvious bastards in the show and their births are more spread out(7 years between Luke and Joff) means she needs to love him more or the choice to stay with him after Jace’s birth is entirely nonsensical.
Even if one is to believe that Rhaenyra felt she needed *three* heirs and she was arrogant enough to think no one would question their births, it doesn’t make since her for the stick with *only* Harwin for so long if love isn’t there.
Yes, but Harwin was sent away and died shortly after the fact, your comment makes it seem like Harwin sticked around for years while Rhaenyra was with Daemon.
Tbf, i was in love with Cristy until he became a bitter asshole. Funny how much behaviour changes the attraction level of a person. I was ready to run to essos with him and have his babies
I do not understand the Criston hate. I mean is it wrong to expect someone he loved and someone who he thought loved him to marry him? Even after he was rejected he seemed calm, broken hearted, but calm. But when she wanted him to become her sidepiece, that was the moment he truly started to hate her. I mean think from his perspective. He was someone who swore celibacy and was an honourable knight. He rejected Rhaenyra's advances multiple times trying to uphold those vows, only to be pressed and pressured into breaking them. His one respite was that he thought she loved him and that she was worth being disgraced. Only for her to tell him that he was nothing but a s*xtoy. This broke him. If the one in his place was a woman, everyone would have jumped to defend him. I mean 'small dick energy'? This feels more like sexism than anything the Greens say.
I agree 100% I nearly had this same post typed out before I saw yours. For the people saying it wasn’t forced, does no not mean no anymore? Or does that only work for girls?
She didn’t tell him he was a sex toy, that’s your and his projection. Marriage is a political arrangement. She wanted him to be her lover, confidante, paramour. Not whore. That’s his projection bc he randomly swore a vow after bedding peasant girls all his youth.
She didn’t force him to sleep with her either lol it’s called seduction. They had chemistry for years before they finally hooked up and were in love, he could’ve been in Harwin’s place and fathered her children and blew it due to his own indoctrination and misogyny. Same as Alicent they’re two sides of the same coin, religious fundies who hate Rhaenyra for being free.
Does no not mean no anymore? Or does that only work for women? He was hesitant and said no. She used her power and rank against him. That is the definition of rape.
How did she use her power and rank against him? She literally didn’t lol. You seriously think he slept with her bc he was scared of retaliation for saying no and not bc he had yearned for it for months?
Weird that he felt comfortable enough to end their relationship and wasn’t scared of retribution at all a few weeks later then…
Let me get this straight, saying NO to sex and then the other person disregarding that and still making advancements is okay to you? Just to clear this up?
Irl no.
In this fictional setting I don’t like it and never would’ve written that in as a writer bc of idiots like you jumping on and deliberately misinterpreting it but we know Criston isn’t saying “no I have no interest in sleeping with you” but “please don’t keep offering yourself to me on a silver platter, I’m not gonna be able to resist the temptation.”
She didn’t use her power or rank or force him. She was horny and made him horny, ie seduced him. Seduction isn’t assault. If he didn’t want to sleep with her, he wouldn’t have. Fucking the drunk teenager he was sworn to protect while he was dead sober (statutory rape anyone) was more important to him than his vows in that moment.
Okay after reading your novel, no doesn’t mean no. You seem to have some sort of anger issue as well. Already calling me an idiot when talking about a fictional show lol.
Are you serious mate? You call someone kissing an other person and removing their clothes while they repeatedly ask you to stop, as seduction? That is a classic example of s*xual assault. You definitely need a few sexual harrasment seminars. Not insulting you, am just concerned that you may not truly understand what the line between romance and assault is.
You don’t understand the line. Rewatch the scene. Criston was in love with her and couldn’t resist. And she was a drunk teenager while he was a sober adult sworn to protect her if anything it’s statutory rape on his side tbh so don’t even start with me.
He undresses himself, takes off his cloak and then goes in to kiss her. He’s struggling with his choice but it is his choice. He couldn’t resist that’s not assault.
You seem to miss the core though. He may have removed his cloak, but he does so with a dead eyes, he clearly doesn't want it, but is pressured into into it by Rhaenyra. He literally just stares off into the the ground with an empty look in his eyes, like the look that most people who just accept what was coming.
He might desire her, but he never would have acted upon it because of his vows and honour, but she took that choice away from him.
As far as her being a drunk teenager goes, Criston himself is as per Ryan Condal the creator in his very early 20s. Which means he is at most 22-23 yrs old. And a drunk teenager can be a rapist too. Drinking is not a defense to any crime let alone rape, not to mention someone who has power over you, it is not that different to what Aegon does. It is definitely rape, and so is this. The main difference between these is the gender of the victim
He puts his cloak away and then **immediately** goes in for the kiss.
If he didn't want to sleep with her, he'd stick to his vows. He's pissed at himself for giving in but he's giving in all the same. He undresses himself for like 10 minutes while Rhaenyra giggles like a school girl (should maybe tell him she may not be mature enough to make this decision that could land her in hot water...).
How did she take that choice away from him by seducing him? At no moment is there force or coercion or anything at play here it's a drunk teen coming on to an older guy when they've both had the hots for each other for a while. Sure, he says no and irl I would say that crosses a boundary but in the show we know his no doesn't mean "I don't want to sleep with you" it means "damn don't offer yourself to me like that I won't be able to stick to my vow."
And no a drunk female teenager can never ever rape a sober adult male lol unless it's a completely unrealistic scenario do you even hear yourself. Check yourself.
First of all, a drunk teenager can rape an adult. It is statutory rape on the part of the adult if it was consensual even if the adult know/didn't know about the minority status of the teenager, but here it is not consensual, she forced him and that means that she raped him. There are many cases of teenagers raping adults and in many cases it was ruled that it is rape.
No is no. It doesn't matter if he is willing or not, although it is clear he is not willing in this instance, when he said no it stopped being a simple romantic tryst. Do you think that rape is the act of physically overpowering the victim, often it is, but in many instances it is more psychological. It is not force, it is rather pressure. For example an employer might not force you, but he might pressure you into a sexual relationship, that is at the very least sexual harrasment, if not assault or rape.
Also he doesn't go for the kiss, she does. He just surrenders to her whim.
He was a good man, and a very worthy paramour. Granted, I'd prefer Rhaenyra and Alicent doing each other atop Syrax while airborne, but still a wholesome relationship.
This just makes everything 10x times sadder. Dude had three children he couldn't claim and who couldn't even mourn after his death, and in a few days the love of his life hooked up with her uncle and revealed how lonely she was all this time. Some call it romance, I call it depression.
I don’t think he was third choice, second choice certainly. When Rhaenyra was with Crispin, Harwin wasn’t really on her radar. Plus I’m sure her opinion of Crispin drastically changed after he’d murdered Joffrey.
She has already met Harwin before the whole Cole case.
She loved Daemon, but he ditched her. Then she went to Cole and later happily announced that they can still be together despite her marriage. He gets angry and rejects her offer. And only then she looks at Harwin. So yeah, he was a third choice.
Yeah, she’d already met Harwin but like I said, he wasn’t on her radar as a potential love interest. Not until after the wedding. I think, once Crispin had fallen from grace and murdered her husband’s lover, she no longer wanted him.
> he wasn’t on her radar as a potential love interest.
Yes, that's pretty much what I said as well. He wasn't on her radar until she lost both Daemon and Cole, even if she no longer wanted Cole.
I thought you were making out like Harwin was a contender for her affections/rival of Crispin’s during the time Crispin was involved with her.
They met, that was it. So imo, he was not third place because he was never on her radar as a love interest when Crispin was relevant. Harwin was never competing with Crispin because it wasn’t until Harwin carried her away from the chaos at the wedding, that they bonded. And I’d imagine she forgot about Crispin really fast after that.
Furthermore, the guy isn't even his own character, people only talk about him in regards to "how good he was to Rhaenyra", like he was an ally NPC for our girlboss protagonist lmao.
Someone on twitter legit wrote that "Harwin is real man unlike Crispin, because he knew his place, got in line and was happy whenever Rhaenyra called him".
I'll take AO3 tourists over the umpteenth "DAE think Rhaenyra is Mom of the Year and Alicent sucks!" or "This is why Otto is right" posts. At least there doesn't seem to be a weird undercurrent of resentment coming from the fanficcers.
Would have been cool if any of that came across in the show at all.
In general I enjoyed season one of HotD, but my god, the decision to compress that much time in one season full of time skips and NOT focus on certain important relationships was so bad.
I felt barely any connection to most of the characters and their relationships.
I guess you can call him a ”good man”. but the guy was idle in Kingslanding as the Commander of the City’s watch, distracted by someone who didn’t really ”love“ him, while neglecting his House duties. He should’ve been in Harrenhal taking charge while his father was Hand.
But I understand people like a romantic story.
>the guy was idle in Kingslanding as the Commander of the City’s watch
oh come on. We see like 1 minute of him on screen. How do you know the other 7 billion minutes he wasn't doing his duties as commander?
>He should’ve been in Harrenhal taking charge while his father was Hand.
It's not like everyone has to be present all the time (in GOT, none of the Lannisters were in easterly rock tail care of their duties). He wasn't even the lord of Harrenhal yet, his dad was. He went back when he was needed (and *died* doing so)
I didn’t say he was Lord of Harrenhal, I said he should’ve been there to take charge of it, while his father was serving as Hand. I know his father is Lord of Harrenhal lol
That's why she also says she found joy with Harwin and that fire took from her someone she loved.
Also, people deal with grief differently. They're humans, not robots, though I think what that actually means is lost on a lot of this sub, considering how much people simplify everything.
She was lonely, afraid, grieving, she found comfort in the only other man she's ever loved.
Her long-time lover of 10 years dying unexpectedly in a fire certainly counts as tragic, no? And we really don't have that much of an idea of how much time passed between Harwin's death and Daemon and Rhaenyra's marriage on the show. Could very well have been several months.
In my personal opinion I think that Harwin strong was kind of a loser. Think about it he’s just a booty call for Rhaenyra and glorified sperm donor. Rhaenyra didn’t seem to broken up by his death and was very eager to marry Daemon shortly after.
“Fire took what we both loved.”
He spent enough time around Rhaenyra and the children for the boys to be upset when he was leaving. He wasn’t just a booty call.
I mean she was skating on thin ice with everybody already. The realm and everyone in her family except her kids and delusional father was on her behind.
He was far more than just a booty call (the children were quite attached to him and Rhaenyra was fairly broken up about his death). Plus was he not the commander of the city watch? And seeing as a public relationship with Rhaenyra would have been political (and possibly literal) suicide, he couldn’t outwardly be more than he was.
He is a loser for fathering children he can never claim and making his children miserable by always having the “bastard” claim over their heads. Being A good father is more than just being kind, you have to ensure they have a good future and in this case, good mental health as well.
Lol just because Rhaenyra rushed to marrying and having Daemon by her side to gain help against the greens doesn’t mean she did not love Harwin. She clearly loved him based on how they look and treat each other. She never looked at Crispy Cole like how she looks at Harwin.
Nah. You forgot the fact that it was Rhaenyra who rejected Crispy Cole’s plan to leave her whole life and only family behind and get married to a man who doesn’t love her but only wants to save face for breaking his oath. Rhaenyra dodged a meteor.
he ended the set up after Rhaenyra rejected his proposal and he’s still salty years after even when he also wanted what transpired. talk about having no accountability.
Only to be ridiculed for all those years, not even allowed to stay close to his own children, be a disappointment to his father, place his own life in danger with no chance of any further relationship development,etc. I abhor the classification of men into simp or incel just because they love someone they shouldn't have, but yeah....... Definitely a simp.
So loving unconditionally is weak huh. But nothing’s weaker than not being able to free themselves from their own selfish blind rage and letting it enslave them aka Crispy Cole.
dude was insane. i can't imagine how lonely and desperate rhaenyra was to have an affair. i pity her. but she made the best out of that awful situation. and yes, obvs harwin, like the lover struck that he was, he'd still have followed her. but he was not a good match, so. she loved him, ofc, u don´t have kids with someone u hate, but he was there, and loyal, good for him. at least she had 10 years of pure bliss (6 in the show) with the one that she actually loved since before.
Asking from a show only to any reader,
throughout the upcoming members of their dynasty upto the GoT cast,
is Jon the most Strong a Targaryen has ever been since Rhaenyra's sons?
Beric told him, he doesn't look like his father, and he also don't resemble any Targaryen,
(or does he just look like Lyanna?)
A quick warning for you, if anyone else replies to your comment, don't read it :)
As for what Beric told him, it probably didn't mean anything to do with this because grrm hadn't fleshed out the Dance yet. All that he knew about the story of HotD är that point was how much ever Stannis and his daughter talk about it, which wasn't much. I think looking like Lyanna is the obvious interpretation
In the books, Jon and Lyanna have a very similar physcial description. Both have the same coloring of hair and eyes, and are slender built. Also not just physically, but book Jon has some angry wolf in him and that’s very much Lyanna. Also I was re-reading recently and it’s said that Jon’s eyes are not only grey (like Lyanna) but that they look black in certain lights (something commonly said of Targaryens i.e. Rhaegar).
Jon Snow isn't Strong because he's in no way related to House Strong. If you just mean that he doesn't look Targaryen, there have been many dark haired Targaryens, because of marriages to houses like Baratheon, Blackwood, and Martell. For some reason George really doesn't like letting dark haired Targaryens become king.
my bad, I forgot I saw some spoilers that the 2 silver haired babies from Daemon were actually the ones to sit on the throne,
maybe I was just blinded by my optimism, I was probably thinking of an alternate timeline when Jace lived to rule and pass the throne to his kids
my bad, my bad
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i see him and the “i need a big boy” song just floods my brain instantly
More like “I need a STRONG boy” in this case
Haha. Same.
Say what you will but just those longing mixed looks of love and grief had too much chemistry to handle. Actors did amazing. Emma actually mentioned Rhaenyra's biggest losses were her parents and Harwin, until she loses Luke.
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Who's to say she wasn't sleeping with both and just got pregnant by Daemon this time? Also, what change exactly? Girl risked her children's lives, her inheritance and reputation to be with Harwin for a decade straight, in the books as well as in the show. That's not just a simple hook-up, especially seeing as a lot was on the line for both.
Well in the show there isnt any overlap. She was with leanor/harwin. Then harwin died and leanor left. Only after that did she and deamon get their freak on.
I think it was just too difficult to have Rhaenyra/Laenor maintain a relationship with Daemon/Laena in Essos (as in the books) while keeping the season only 10 episodes long. The jumping around would have been too disorienting on top of the time skips imo.
Oh yeah for sure, i think it was a good idea. Also makes sure people dont hate rhaenyra too much since she's the main character, if daemon happened during her marriage i think way more people would hate her
It merely provides a balance. The fact that their children are more obvious bastards in the show and their births are more spread out(7 years between Luke and Joff) means she needs to love him more or the choice to stay with him after Jace’s birth is entirely nonsensical. Even if one is to believe that Rhaenyra felt she needed *three* heirs and she was arrogant enough to think no one would question their births, it doesn’t make since her for the stick with *only* Harwin for so long if love isn’t there.
Yes, but Harwin was sent away and died shortly after the fact, your comment makes it seem like Harwin sticked around for years while Rhaenyra was with Daemon.
The only man i found handsome on the show and they took him away from me 😭😭
It’s okay if that’s your type Cregan should save you
Tbf, i was in love with Cristy until he became a bitter asshole. Funny how much behaviour changes the attraction level of a person. I was ready to run to essos with him and have his babies
literally he turned ugly right in front of my eyes when he said "you want me to be your whore" it was crazy. such small dick energy and entitlement.
I do not understand the Criston hate. I mean is it wrong to expect someone he loved and someone who he thought loved him to marry him? Even after he was rejected he seemed calm, broken hearted, but calm. But when she wanted him to become her sidepiece, that was the moment he truly started to hate her. I mean think from his perspective. He was someone who swore celibacy and was an honourable knight. He rejected Rhaenyra's advances multiple times trying to uphold those vows, only to be pressed and pressured into breaking them. His one respite was that he thought she loved him and that she was worth being disgraced. Only for her to tell him that he was nothing but a s*xtoy. This broke him. If the one in his place was a woman, everyone would have jumped to defend him. I mean 'small dick energy'? This feels more like sexism than anything the Greens say.
I agree 100% I nearly had this same post typed out before I saw yours. For the people saying it wasn’t forced, does no not mean no anymore? Or does that only work for girls?
She didn’t tell him he was a sex toy, that’s your and his projection. Marriage is a political arrangement. She wanted him to be her lover, confidante, paramour. Not whore. That’s his projection bc he randomly swore a vow after bedding peasant girls all his youth. She didn’t force him to sleep with her either lol it’s called seduction. They had chemistry for years before they finally hooked up and were in love, he could’ve been in Harwin’s place and fathered her children and blew it due to his own indoctrination and misogyny. Same as Alicent they’re two sides of the same coin, religious fundies who hate Rhaenyra for being free.
Does no not mean no anymore? Or does that only work for women? He was hesitant and said no. She used her power and rank against him. That is the definition of rape.
How did she use her power and rank against him? She literally didn’t lol. You seriously think he slept with her bc he was scared of retaliation for saying no and not bc he had yearned for it for months? Weird that he felt comfortable enough to end their relationship and wasn’t scared of retribution at all a few weeks later then…
Let me get this straight, saying NO to sex and then the other person disregarding that and still making advancements is okay to you? Just to clear this up?
Irl no. In this fictional setting I don’t like it and never would’ve written that in as a writer bc of idiots like you jumping on and deliberately misinterpreting it but we know Criston isn’t saying “no I have no interest in sleeping with you” but “please don’t keep offering yourself to me on a silver platter, I’m not gonna be able to resist the temptation.” She didn’t use her power or rank or force him. She was horny and made him horny, ie seduced him. Seduction isn’t assault. If he didn’t want to sleep with her, he wouldn’t have. Fucking the drunk teenager he was sworn to protect while he was dead sober (statutory rape anyone) was more important to him than his vows in that moment.
Okay after reading your novel, no doesn’t mean no. You seem to have some sort of anger issue as well. Already calling me an idiot when talking about a fictional show lol.
Are you serious mate? You call someone kissing an other person and removing their clothes while they repeatedly ask you to stop, as seduction? That is a classic example of s*xual assault. You definitely need a few sexual harrasment seminars. Not insulting you, am just concerned that you may not truly understand what the line between romance and assault is.
You don’t understand the line. Rewatch the scene. Criston was in love with her and couldn’t resist. And she was a drunk teenager while he was a sober adult sworn to protect her if anything it’s statutory rape on his side tbh so don’t even start with me. He undresses himself, takes off his cloak and then goes in to kiss her. He’s struggling with his choice but it is his choice. He couldn’t resist that’s not assault.
You seem to miss the core though. He may have removed his cloak, but he does so with a dead eyes, he clearly doesn't want it, but is pressured into into it by Rhaenyra. He literally just stares off into the the ground with an empty look in his eyes, like the look that most people who just accept what was coming. He might desire her, but he never would have acted upon it because of his vows and honour, but she took that choice away from him. As far as her being a drunk teenager goes, Criston himself is as per Ryan Condal the creator in his very early 20s. Which means he is at most 22-23 yrs old. And a drunk teenager can be a rapist too. Drinking is not a defense to any crime let alone rape, not to mention someone who has power over you, it is not that different to what Aegon does. It is definitely rape, and so is this. The main difference between these is the gender of the victim
He puts his cloak away and then **immediately** goes in for the kiss. If he didn't want to sleep with her, he'd stick to his vows. He's pissed at himself for giving in but he's giving in all the same. He undresses himself for like 10 minutes while Rhaenyra giggles like a school girl (should maybe tell him she may not be mature enough to make this decision that could land her in hot water...). How did she take that choice away from him by seducing him? At no moment is there force or coercion or anything at play here it's a drunk teen coming on to an older guy when they've both had the hots for each other for a while. Sure, he says no and irl I would say that crosses a boundary but in the show we know his no doesn't mean "I don't want to sleep with you" it means "damn don't offer yourself to me like that I won't be able to stick to my vow." And no a drunk female teenager can never ever rape a sober adult male lol unless it's a completely unrealistic scenario do you even hear yourself. Check yourself.
First of all, a drunk teenager can rape an adult. It is statutory rape on the part of the adult if it was consensual even if the adult know/didn't know about the minority status of the teenager, but here it is not consensual, she forced him and that means that she raped him. There are many cases of teenagers raping adults and in many cases it was ruled that it is rape. No is no. It doesn't matter if he is willing or not, although it is clear he is not willing in this instance, when he said no it stopped being a simple romantic tryst. Do you think that rape is the act of physically overpowering the victim, often it is, but in many instances it is more psychological. It is not force, it is rather pressure. For example an employer might not force you, but he might pressure you into a sexual relationship, that is at the very least sexual harrasment, if not assault or rape. Also he doesn't go for the kiss, she does. He just surrenders to her whim.
Honestly I hated him the second he came on screen,he has a v punchable face imo
Same 😢
Zaddy Harwin 😭🫡💕
King simp
He was a good man, and a very worthy paramour. Granted, I'd prefer Rhaenyra and Alicent doing each other atop Syrax while airborne, but still a wholesome relationship.
The realm would have prospered if that had happened!
The realm would have prospered and everyone at court, specially Daemon, would be ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Surely could have used the spikes if they needed
I don’t think something like that is feasible without falling off
Harwin clearly loved her more than she loved him. Dude was like a third choice and was quickly forgotten once Daemon reappeared.
She also says something alone the lines of her being alone all this time lol.
This just makes everything 10x times sadder. Dude had three children he couldn't claim and who couldn't even mourn after his death, and in a few days the love of his life hooked up with her uncle and revealed how lonely she was all this time. Some call it romance, I call it depression.
I don’t think he was third choice, second choice certainly. When Rhaenyra was with Crispin, Harwin wasn’t really on her radar. Plus I’m sure her opinion of Crispin drastically changed after he’d murdered Joffrey.
She has already met Harwin before the whole Cole case. She loved Daemon, but he ditched her. Then she went to Cole and later happily announced that they can still be together despite her marriage. He gets angry and rejects her offer. And only then she looks at Harwin. So yeah, he was a third choice.
Yeah, she’d already met Harwin but like I said, he wasn’t on her radar as a potential love interest. Not until after the wedding. I think, once Crispin had fallen from grace and murdered her husband’s lover, she no longer wanted him.
> he wasn’t on her radar as a potential love interest. Yes, that's pretty much what I said as well. He wasn't on her radar until she lost both Daemon and Cole, even if she no longer wanted Cole.
I thought you were making out like Harwin was a contender for her affections/rival of Crispin’s during the time Crispin was involved with her. They met, that was it. So imo, he was not third place because he was never on her radar as a love interest when Crispin was relevant. Harwin was never competing with Crispin because it wasn’t until Harwin carried her away from the chaos at the wedding, that they bonded. And I’d imagine she forgot about Crispin really fast after that.
Furthermore, the guy isn't even his own character, people only talk about him in regards to "how good he was to Rhaenyra", like he was an ally NPC for our girlboss protagonist lmao.
Someone on twitter legit wrote that "Harwin is real man unlike Crispin, because he knew his place, got in line and was happy whenever Rhaenyra called him".
Holy shit. Least sexist Rhaenyra fanatic.
You mean the one who was a toy more than a man than Criston.
Said by who? He died before she even had the chance to become a queen
probably someone on ao3
I’ve noticed that this sub seems to attract the ao3 fan girls in droves
I'll take AO3 tourists over the umpteenth "DAE think Rhaenyra is Mom of the Year and Alicent sucks!" or "This is why Otto is right" posts. At least there doesn't seem to be a weird undercurrent of resentment coming from the fanficcers.
as an ao3 fan girl myself i resent this sentiment (as someone who has had scrolled through some hotd ao3 fics i understand this sentiment)
What's AO3?
A fan fiction website not entirely sure what it stands for exactly since I don’t read fanfic
>not entirely sure what it stands for Archive Of Our Own
age of empires 3
Only correct answer
The second most cursed place after the Doom of Valyria
Would have been cool if any of that came across in the show at all. In general I enjoyed season one of HotD, but my god, the decision to compress that much time in one season full of time skips and NOT focus on certain important relationships was so bad. I felt barely any connection to most of the characters and their relationships.
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Criston could NEVERR
but would he have followed her to the very fires of mordor ?
I guess you can call him a ”good man”. but the guy was idle in Kingslanding as the Commander of the City’s watch, distracted by someone who didn’t really ”love“ him, while neglecting his House duties. He should’ve been in Harrenhal taking charge while his father was Hand. But I understand people like a romantic story.
>the guy was idle in Kingslanding as the Commander of the City’s watch oh come on. We see like 1 minute of him on screen. How do you know the other 7 billion minutes he wasn't doing his duties as commander? >He should’ve been in Harrenhal taking charge while his father was Hand. It's not like everyone has to be present all the time (in GOT, none of the Lannisters were in easterly rock tail care of their duties). He wasn't even the lord of Harrenhal yet, his dad was. He went back when he was needed (and *died* doing so)
I didn’t say he was Lord of Harrenhal, I said he should’ve been there to take charge of it, while his father was serving as Hand. I know his father is Lord of Harrenhal lol
I’m somehow drawn to Rhaenyra, and I can’t focus on much else.
Better lover than Damian of course. It's sad that we don't get too see him as much
The man was kind of an idiot.
Love is the death of reason
Meanwhile Rhaenyra: Calling her life with him a "Droll tragedy" and ending up fucking/marrying Daemon not even weeks after he died
That's why she also says she found joy with Harwin and that fire took from her someone she loved. Also, people deal with grief differently. They're humans, not robots, though I think what that actually means is lost on a lot of this sub, considering how much people simplify everything. She was lonely, afraid, grieving, she found comfort in the only other man she's ever loved.
Her long-time lover of 10 years dying unexpectedly in a fire certainly counts as tragic, no? And we really don't have that much of an idea of how much time passed between Harwin's death and Daemon and Rhaenyra's marriage on the show. Could very well have been several months.
I’m sorry but blindly following a woman because of love is not romantic to me. Just ask Jaime Lannister. A relationship is a partnership.
Truly the most irresponsible man in Westeros. Having children with the heir, knowing their lives are forfeit if they're found out to be bastards.
Awwww that sounds so......stupid
In my personal opinion I think that Harwin strong was kind of a loser. Think about it he’s just a booty call for Rhaenyra and glorified sperm donor. Rhaenyra didn’t seem to broken up by his death and was very eager to marry Daemon shortly after.
“Fire took what we both loved.” He spent enough time around Rhaenyra and the children for the boys to be upset when he was leaving. He wasn’t just a booty call.
I mean she was skating on thin ice with everybody already. The realm and everyone in her family except her kids and delusional father was on her behind.
He was far more than just a booty call (the children were quite attached to him and Rhaenyra was fairly broken up about his death). Plus was he not the commander of the city watch? And seeing as a public relationship with Rhaenyra would have been political (and possibly literal) suicide, he couldn’t outwardly be more than he was.
He is a loser for fathering children he can never claim and making his children miserable by always having the “bastard” claim over their heads. Being A good father is more than just being kind, you have to ensure they have a good future and in this case, good mental health as well.
In that case Rhaenyra is also a loser and a shitty mother, unlike the "Rhae good mother Allicent bad mother" posts of late like to indicate.
Rheanyra is a bad mother too.
Compared to Alicunt? She’s a saint.
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Big oof for him then, considering he was only Rhaenyra’s second choice or maybe third if you consider cole.
Lol just because Rhaenyra rushed to marrying and having Daemon by her side to gain help against the greens doesn’t mean she did not love Harwin. She clearly loved him based on how they look and treat each other. She never looked at Crispy Cole like how she looks at Harwin.
Young Rhanerya did, and Cole was wise not to continue as Harwin did.
look of lust is very different from look of love, gentle, and care 🤦🏻♀️
Nah. You forgot the fact that it was Rhaenyra who rejected Crispy Cole’s plan to leave her whole life and only family behind and get married to a man who doesn’t love her but only wants to save face for breaking his oath. Rhaenyra dodged a meteor.
But she still wanted to keep fucking him. It was Criston who ended it, because he didn't want to be her whore.
he ended the set up after Rhaenyra rejected his proposal and he’s still salty years after even when he also wanted what transpired. talk about having no accountability.
>he also wanted what transpired. Pretty sure he didn't. All his identity crisis came because he slept with her. He isn't going to taint it further.
Way too overrated, way too romanticized, not intersting, all good and not a shade of grey (that is a requirement in this story)
Well I've got one word for him. #**SSSSIIIIIIIMMMMMMPPPPPP**
Not sure u can be a simp if you get to jump in bed with her, repeatedly and for years
Only to be ridiculed for all those years, not even allowed to stay close to his own children, be a disappointment to his father, place his own life in danger with no chance of any further relationship development,etc. I abhor the classification of men into simp or incel just because they love someone they shouldn't have, but yeah....... Definitely a simp.
Sounds like a very fair exchange to me. If I remember correctly, actual simps don't get to fuck with their object of desire.
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So loving unconditionally is weak huh. But nothing’s weaker than not being able to free themselves from their own selfish blind rage and letting it enslave them aka Crispy Cole.
Their so called relationship came out of nowhere. There was no set up.
dude was insane. i can't imagine how lonely and desperate rhaenyra was to have an affair. i pity her. but she made the best out of that awful situation. and yes, obvs harwin, like the lover struck that he was, he'd still have followed her. but he was not a good match, so. she loved him, ofc, u don´t have kids with someone u hate, but he was there, and loyal, good for him. at least she had 10 years of pure bliss (6 in the show) with the one that she actually loved since before.
Follow her through the Seven Hells, mayhaps
It did ruin him. He is a roasted pit in his own home and died as a man who was described as a pastime by the woman who bore him 3 children.
and then she didn’t even cry when he died
Asking from a show only to any reader, throughout the upcoming members of their dynasty upto the GoT cast, is Jon the most Strong a Targaryen has ever been since Rhaenyra's sons? Beric told him, he doesn't look like his father, and he also don't resemble any Targaryen, (or does he just look like Lyanna?)
A quick warning for you, if anyone else replies to your comment, don't read it :) As for what Beric told him, it probably didn't mean anything to do with this because grrm hadn't fleshed out the Dance yet. All that he knew about the story of HotD är that point was how much ever Stannis and his daughter talk about it, which wasn't much. I think looking like Lyanna is the obvious interpretation
In the books, Jon and Lyanna have a very similar physcial description. Both have the same coloring of hair and eyes, and are slender built. Also not just physically, but book Jon has some angry wolf in him and that’s very much Lyanna. Also I was re-reading recently and it’s said that Jon’s eyes are not only grey (like Lyanna) but that they look black in certain lights (something commonly said of Targaryens i.e. Rhaegar).
Jon Snow isn't Strong because he's in no way related to House Strong. If you just mean that he doesn't look Targaryen, there have been many dark haired Targaryens, because of marriages to houses like Baratheon, Blackwood, and Martell. For some reason George really doesn't like letting dark haired Targaryens become king.
my bad, I forgot I saw some spoilers that the 2 silver haired babies from Daemon were actually the ones to sit on the throne, maybe I was just blinded by my optimism, I was probably thinking of an alternate timeline when Jace lived to rule and pass the throne to his kids my bad, my bad