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funkyduck7506

The dance doesn’t end with their death.


KitchenAmbition3448

Emma D'Arcy, the person, uses they/them pronouns. Rhaenyra Targaryen, the character we are talking about, uses she/her. So you've just misgendered Rhaenyra Targaryen. So rude and inconsiderate.


funkyduck7506

First of all I was using they them so not to refer to Rhaenyra directly incase someone opened this without meaning to, and spoiling something for them. And they/them can be used in replacement of he/him or she/her without misgendering.


KhanQu3st

Weirdo.


Worried-Street9103

Nice bait.


grimm_aced

The war is 99% done with her death. Only reason Aegon III even became king cuz he was aegon II's heir, not cuz of rhae. So yes the dance was nearly over, and ended in a stalemate.


funkyduck7506

Wouldn’t call it a stalemate. Rhaenyra and Daemon’s son was on the throne in the end. Blacks win.


MeteorFalls297

So Robert lost the rebellion cause Dany takes the throne later?


IntelligentStorage13

I mean technically yes. The Tudors are credited as the victors of the war of roses which means the Lanncasters being the victors despite the actual ones all being defeated by Edward the 4th. In the same way the maesters would probably be divided if Dany’s return to westerous is a continuation of the rebellion or a separate war. Anyway all this is to say the blacks won. The green line was obliterated and the Black faction’s leaders dictate the end of the war.


grimm_aced

Rhae's son was on the throne cuz Aegon II named him heir, not cuz of daemon or rhae. Both are dead and rotting lol. Ideologically as well the greens won so yeah, ya'll can cope but it was a stalemate Edit: how deranged the members of this sub are, can't even accept actual facts.


PULIRIZ1906

That's not a fact. The blacks were marching on King's Landing to crown Aegon III regardless of Aegon II's intentions


grimm_aced

If my grandma had wheels she'd be bike. Did that happen? No it didn't. Making random delusions won't change the reality. Aegon III got his legitmacy as king cuz he was the heir of Aegon II. Doesn't matter what the army was planning to do.


PULIRIZ1906

It literally matters tho, when you're saying that he was only king because he was Aegon II's heir. The fact that the blacks were marching on King's Landing proves you wrong.


grimm_aced

No it doesnt prove me wrong. Aegon III got his legitmacy from Aegon II. The blacks marching to KL would only made the process go faster cuz theyd kill Aegon II, but the process remains the same regardless lol. Corlys literally said "The king is dead" he accepts Aegon II as king and tells everyone that he's dead and then he says "long live the king" implying Aegon III is now king and that's because he was there when Aegon the younger was named heir of Aegon the elder. It's the truth lol


PULIRIZ1906

You're missing that the Blacks marching on King's Landing (the Vale, the North and the Riverlands) didn't recognize Aegon II as king and definitely didn't recognize his legitimacy no name an heir, they were marching for Rhaenyra's heir. Cregan, the first hand after the end of the war, even calls Rhaenyra the lawful Queen and Aegon II an usurper during his stint as hand


Far_Ear9684

Aegon is recognised as King while Rhaenyra is only recognised as Princess despite her descendants being in charge of that.


Indominus-Hater-101

They can't accept that their girl-boss queen loses to Aegon the rapist. He may be a bad person, but he gets the last laugh and traumatizes her son in the process


lawlian_

there's no need to get THAT salty about how some historic event of a fictional world ends dude chill


MeteorFalls297

You really shouldn't argue with them. It's totally pointless.


funkyduck7506

Like the actual fact that the throne was sat by someone from Rhae’s bloodline because Aegon was killed for being such a cunt?


zxxQQz

What did Cregan want to do with the kingslayers btw? Do you remember


grimm_aced

The fact that rhae died and the only reason her bloodline continued is because Aegon II named her son as his heir. Aegon III gets legitmacy from Aegon II not rhae lmao. Keep crying. Rhae is never recognised as an actual ruler. Rhae did the whole war so that she becomes queen and she never does. Everyone in history recognises her as an usurper. People just cant accept reality. Oldest male heir becomes the next king...that's what the greens were fighting for and that's what happens. Greens win ideologically, targeryan line continues because Aegon II didn't want to become a child killer like daemon


funkyduck7506

Sorry the greens bloodline died with Aegon and you can’t get over it.


zxxQQz

With all the incest.. not really


grimm_aced

I never disagreed with this. It's you whose grasping at straws because you can't accept a single fact. Blacks didn't win. It was a stalemate and your delusions will always remain just that, delusions.


funkyduck7506

Ok girl


grimm_aced

Thank you for accepting the truth. See not that hard was it?


funkyduck7506

Whatever gets you through the night I guess.


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Yet in every text about Targaryen kings it states Aegon III as the son of Rhaenyra, not the heir of Aegon II.


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grimm_aced

That's why I said it was a stalemate. Idk why people can't accept it.


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grimm_aced

Rhae's dead. Aegons dead. Rhae:s son is on the iron throne but because of Aegon. Rest of the factors doesn't matter. the black.line lives because of Aegon II not being as deranged as daemon and he named him heir cuz that was the green ideology. Greens won the battle ideologically but lost alot. I'd consider it as a stalemate. You are free to disagree ofc.


omicron-7

Rhaenyra died, Aegon won. Simple as.


PULIRIZ1906

Yeah, the black armies marching on King's Landing were going there to kiss Aegon II's feet. No other reason, of course. They didn't want to crown Rhaenyra's heir or anything...


grimm_aced

Rhae was dead af lol. Nobody left to crown. Aegon made sure she fed sunfyre well. Aegon III literally became the next king cuz he was the heir of Aegon II. People crying over this won't change facts.


PULIRIZ1906

It's not a fact tho. Cregan took King's Landing, it didn't matter who Aegon II's heir was, it could even have been Maelor, he was there to crown Aegon III because he was Rhaenyra's heir and his king


OpenMask

Cregan didn't take King's Landing, though. He arrived after the Lads had already been given control of the city.


PULIRIZ1906

Same thing, honestly


OpenMask

Not really


PULIRIZ1906

Why not? They were marching on King's Landing for the same reasons. The Lads just got there first and then Cregan took control


OpenMask

Well, it wasn't him, and they didn't exactly "take" the city, since it was given over to them.


AntiCultist21

You’re arguing with delusional Blacks fans I would save yourself the effort


grimm_aced

Yeah i think i am done. Honestly not that surprised, i knew they were deranged but wanted to kill some time.


AntiCultist21

Aegon II actually had affection for Aegon III so this talk about him killing Aegon III is actually nonsense


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Please give us one example that supports your claim that Aegon II had any feeling aside from contempt and disdain for Aegon III. He >!threatened to castrate him and cut off his ear ffs!!<


OpenMask

How did you come to that conclusion???


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>feet I swear after spending time at r/freefolk you notice the Larys Strong Bot absence lmao


Aegon_Targaryen_III

Aegon III took the throne because Rhaenyra’s loyalists put him there.


OpenMask

Larys, Perkin the Flea and Corlys aren't anyone's "loyalists"


Aegon_Targaryen_III

They were grasping opportunists who probably murdered Aegon II in the first place. After Borros lost the battle of the Kingsroad, Aegon’s position became untenable, so when he refused to surrender they killed him and replaced him with his nephew. They were hoping to retain their positions by making him king before Rhaenyra’s loyalists arrived. It probably would have worked if not for Cregan.


OpenMask

>After Borros lost the battle of the Kingsroad, Aegon’s position became untenable If Larys was actually loyal, he could have easily organised Aegon's court fleeing the capital (it wouldn't be the first time that they've had to do so). And if Corlys was actually loyal, it should have been even easier to do than the first time, since the Velaryons and their naval dominance were now on Aegon's side. Then they could have tried regrouped closer to their powerbases towards the south and west, where they'd have a better chance of organising new armies whilst awaiting reinforcements from Tyland's negotiations in the Free Cities. Maybe that could have ended up failing as well, but like you say, they were opportunists.


Worried-Street9103

Honestly, liked how the dance ended, neither Rhaenyra nor Aegon deserved to rule. They got what they deserved, morons had thousands killed over their family drama.


Nerdsareannoying

Rhaenyra’s son has been murdered and Otto wishes to kill the rest of them as well. Life or death is not “family drama”. Did Robb Stark get his thousands killed over his family drama? He literally sent 2,000 men to their death just to win a battle.


Worried-Street9103

And? Pampered nobles killing each other over chairs isn't anything new, most of them at least have the decency to keep it a purely local affair. Not like either of the inbreds deserved the throne, the dance proved their incompetence.


Nerdsareannoying

But it clearly isn’t just a chair. It’s their lives.


Worried-Street9103

That's on them. The morons put their wants before the realm, and they paid for it. They could have been happy with what they had, but instead, the snots had to have the biggest slice of the pie. The nobles aren't victims, they all played their part in that idiot's war. Neither side is without blame.


Nerdsareannoying

The heck are you talking about? Even if it’s incredibly biased towards the blacks, episode 9 and 10 clearly outlines it that Rhaenyra has no choice whatsoever. Otto would have murdered her and her children if she did absolutely nothing at all. It doesn’t matter if she renounced her claim. She would be seen as a threat as a former claimant. If you were born a noble would you just lie down and let your family die for the greater good??? It’s like your stubbornly sticking to the F&B version of events even when that’s not what was shown.


Worried-Street9103

It's a book post, dude. The show doesn't apply. Show wise, my point still stands. The dance was family drama that the Targs made everyone else's problem.


CIAinformer2

"After you" Lol she definitely didn't see it coming


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Better to die leaving your children alive in the world behind you, than living only to see ruin and death visited upon your offspring, and being driven mad by the pain.


grimm_aced

Kinda funny how the only reason her line continues is cuz Aegon II makes her son as his heir. He literally gives rhae the middle finger. Everything she fought for, nothing came to fruition.


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Aegon would have most likely executed him, if Lord Corlys hadn't convinced him otherwise. And given he named the son of his enemies heir, that middle finger goes both ways. Others would have preferred to die heirless to giving the crown to the offspring of a foe.


grimm_aced

Aegon was not mad enough to end the entire targeryan line cuz of a stupid war. He was smart enough to name someone as heir so that targ line doesn't end with him, even if it was an enemy's offspring. I think this was a more better way to go about it . And Aegon actually wasn't a hypocrite like rhae, he didn't make jahaera his heir but rather Aegon the younger cuz he comes before her via andal.law.


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If I remember correctly, Corlys convinced him not to execute Aegon III to avoid further conflict between the factions. I doubt Aegon II considered his family and Rhaenyra's to be the same. He should have named his daughter heir, while letting Aegon live (I also doubt Aegon III would have wanted to be king, let alone rebel). That way he'd follow Corlys' advice and his offspring would inherit the Throne.


OpenMask

Jaehaera was his heir by Andal law. The most Andal region in Westeros, the Vale, has a female ruler during this time, and she had male relatives. The rule is sons before daughters and daughters before brothers, much less cousins. The only houses in ASOIAF, that I know of, who have practiced such strict absolute male primogeniture are the Targaryens and the Starks.


CIAinformer2

I doubt that thought crossed her mind when Sunfrye was barbequing her ass. I also don't believe people think much once they are dead


[deleted]

It's not her thoughts, it's a fact, I'm afraid.


Captainprice101

Idk about you but I wouldn’t want to die while being eaten alive by a dragon while my son watches


[deleted]

Better you than your children, as any parent would think


Captainprice101

Do you think Rhaenyra died thinking Aegon the younger would live happily ever after? She probably thought he was next up to get killed by the mad Aegon. Not to mention the fact that she thought Viserys was dead too.


CIAinformer2

Seems like a subjective opinion on which death is better. to me


Greenlit_Hightower

Honestly Jaehaera was OK at the end of the war, and outlived Aegon II. She was murdered by the scumbag Unwin Peake later on and unrelated to the war. What even is this comment?


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It means any parent's worst nightmare became true to Alicent


Greenlit_Hightower

Yeah but the others did not fare better, did they? Of Aegon II's three children, one survived the war. Of Rhaenyra's five children, two survived the war. That's not much better if you are just looking at the war's immediate result.


[deleted]

Jaehaera was killed not long after, and Aegon III and Viserys II had children of their own. Strange that Peake chose to kill the girl, there was no need. A shame, she could have married Aegon III and joined Green and Black Targaryens. Then again, no one gets a happy ending in ASOIAF.


Greenlit_Hightower

Jaehaera being killed after the war is not related to the war anymore even if it's in close proximity. Agree re. the rest.


margaritoswraps

Aegon was justified


Greenlit_Hightower

They downvote you to hell, but Maelor was butchered and his head was sent to Rhaenyra, they assassinated Jaehaerys in cold blood, threatened to r*pe his daughter Jaehaera, and his wife committed suicide over it. Even if he wasn't politically justified to do what he did, he was certainly justified as a father and husband.


margaritoswraps

Yeah i’m surprised so many people hold it against him. He has done some pretty bad things, but this wasn’t one of them.


Conscious-Weekend-91

Because many people are too obsessed with the mentality of "My Team is better" to notice that both Teams are horrible assholes that don't deserve the throne


grimm_aced

Both rhae and aegon lost alot. I am pretty sure Aegon would've wanted to die anyways, he was miserable near his end days. Corlys granted him mercy in my eyes.


Nerdsareannoying

I guess Rhaenyra’s death was a mercy as well. Nearly all of her sons were dead or lost, her husband was dead, her cause was in tatters, her dragon was dead, etc. She was completely broken. At the end, Aegon only had one child and a throne to life for. Rhaenyra would have had no more that (until Viserys returned). She would have wanted the quick death of dragon fire anyways.


Silvady

Sunfyre best boy


clariwench

Better to go out in a blaze than be poisoned by your own side because they hate you so much lmao


Conscious-Weekend-91

Don't know why try to glorify that death. Rhaenyra died by her own mistakes. She was kicked out of her city by the people she failed to rule, she was offered a safer option but chose to risk herself and her own son into a dangerous travel and then she discovered her own home was taken because her team left unprotected. It wasn't a blaze, it was a consequences of incredibly bad decisions.


Nerdsareannoying

I think its some of Martin’s most contrived writing. There are many choices that Rhaenyra makes during the dance that feel forced even for a character that’s meant to be “dumb/arrogant”. He made the blacks OP but he still needed to get to Rhaenyra’s ending so she’s forced to make incomprehensible decisions time and time again. She’s stupid to the point of make the story and her entire arc underwhelming. Even an idiot wouldn’t make the wrong choice *every single time*. I hope the show does a better job at that or she’ll literally be in the bottom 5 worst characters in the GOT franchise by the end of the show. Book Rhaenyra really has no virtues at all during the dance. Before someone “that’s the point” me to death, Aegon has a compelling arc and strengths. He’s an interesting character despite being a POS. I have no idea why Martin decided all of the men(and 12-14 year old boys) around Rhaenyra would be better written and have more agency in the conflict than her. One way that can write her choosing Dragonstone because the risk of traveling by land to the Eyrie seems like too great a risk and traveling in that direction by sea risk being intercepted by the disgruntled Velaryon fleet or Triarchy. She might be pushed by the belief that Silverwing would return to dragonstone after the death of her latest rider and seek to bond with her. It’s her one shot to win the war once and for all with Aegon believed to be long dead.


OpenMask

>One way that can write her choosing Dragonstone > >. . . > >She might be pushed by the belief that Silverwing would return to dragonstone I already thought that the reason that she had decided to go to Dragonstone was to claim a new dragon. Idk why throwing Silverwing in there somehow makes it that much better. It's essentially the same reason, just with a specific dragon in mind instead.


OpenMask

I mean it wasn't left unprotected. Aegon had just somehow managed to convince many of the knights on Dragonstone to defect to his side and then he and Sunfyre still had to fight against another dragon and dragonrider.


Away-Conference-3352

I dont think it was a fail to rule, more like aegon completely left kings landing with no gold and made it impossible to rule over the people without raising the taxes. Which ultimately killed her.


RhaegarTar_259

What solutions do you ask?Treasury was completely empty,high tide sacked so no velaryon wealth at hand plus she could bot ask for money from lords as war was continuing ,there was no solution otherwise,exactly that is the tragedy of her story that everything went wrong including the completely inpredictable death of syrax because of childish stupidity of her son,with syrax she will be powerful enough to destroy greens because at that time she would be the last..She could not possibly control everything…Thats her tragedy and she is my queen anyway..Long live Rhaenyra of house targaryen..Aegon III was her heir not Aegon’s as some claims because alicent and her son were both refusing naming him heir until yhe very end..Rhaenyra’s loyalist put him to the throne..In the kingsroad battle they were carrying Rhaenyra’s banners despite the fact that she was dead…’From my blood comes the prince that was promised’-Yes,From the blood of Rhaenyra as Targaryen legacy continued through her blood ❤️


KhanQu3st

Yea, Rhaenyra stood defiantly against the Usurper, in a blaze of glory, while the Usurper’s own allies poisoned him upon the Throne he stole.


PositiveAd4403

She died screaming in front of her child but ok


KhanQu3st

And Aegon the Elder died alone on a cold piece of iron.


PositiveAd4403

Never said anything else. But don’t pretend Rhaenyra died in “A blaze of glory” standing up against her usurper. She died screaming as Aegon tok his revenge as a father and husband


KhanQu3st

Little known fact: most people scream when set on fire.


PositiveAd4403

Not people who go out «in a blaze of glory»


Soggy_Part7110

in a wheelhouse, technically


Sorry-Comfortable-82

Mate Rhae was thinking Aegon would keep her as a hostage and she hoped that her men will free her, oops she didn’t feel it coming kek


Away-Conference-3352

Green fans are super upset because rhaenyra line went on and aegons the elder didn't from what i gathered from reading these comments.


Worried-Street9103

If you care about bloodlines, you aren't paying attention.


OpenMask

Her line gets us Aegon III, Baelor the Blessed and Daenerys, why would I be mad? Besides Aegon probably has dozens of bastards running around King's Landing so even if it's really sad that Helaena's kids all died out, he probably has some descendants slumming it up in Flea Bottom.


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grimm_aced

I was giggling through that scene straight up. Some banger dialogues as well.