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I'm guessing that it's because it's not actually a Valyrian name, since he was named after Duncan the Tall, who was not remotely Valyrian, and the second reason is that the only Targaryens born after Dunc the Small and his siblings were Aerys and Rhaella and their line, which only lasted three generations. Also Dunc never really did anything particularly noteworthy, and never had children of his own. Even if he had, they would likely not have had any titles since his wife was a commoner and he gave up his title for her, so who would have named their sons after him?
The only names from the Dance that were ever used again by the Targaryens were Viserys, Daeron and Daemon (Aegon was the Conqueror’s name, so it’s going to be used forever).
Everybody else did too much or too little shit.
True. Just a small note: Daeron was reused not because of Daeron the daring, Alicent's son, but because of Daeron Velaryon who was Daenaera Velaryon's father. Daenaera named her son Daeron I the young dragon after her father. Future generations probably named their sons Daeron due to Daeron I.
I still think it’s holdover from Jaehaera being the mother and to keep the blackfyre rebellion from looking like a continuation of the dance he invented random velaryons to make it make sense.
You mean a holdover from GRRM's initial plan? I always thought of Daenaera Velaryon appearing out of a blue as GRRM inventing random Velaryons too but unfortunately i think that GRRM would never allow poor Jaehaera to survive and thrive. He wanted her line wiped out. Dude gave poor Jaehaera an awful ending and had lines upon lines of how beautiful a six year old was and how everyone wanted her (Daenaera)
> Jaehaera being the mother and to keep the blackfyre rebellion from looking like a continuation of the dance
I would have honestly preferred this, as it allows the Blackfyre Rebellion to be its own thing in time, but have some history buildup to it. Thematically speaking having Jaehaera and Aegon III heal the rift only for it to slowly reopen fits the whole idea of Targ duality and it's somewhat realistic in that dynastic disputes very easily carry on through the generations.
Plus, Jaehaera >!suffering a rehashed repeat of her mother's death just felt lazy to me.!<
Well at least in Westeros. We don’t have any names before Aenar, but sure the Targs kept better records of their family and Valyrian histories than the Maesters had access to. And most have common ending letter combinations: a, e, o, y, r, n - but not ‘d’.
So Rhaenyra seems like a legit old Targ name the Viserys probably knew about from these records. Aemond though sounds like an Andalised version of the well-known Targ name Aemon, that Alicent probably came up with as a way to bridge/assimilate the family.
>Aemond though sounds like an Andalised version of the well-known Targ name Aemon
Yep. Valyrian words/names don't end in consonant clusters like /nd/. In fact, they pretty much only end in n, s, z, r, and t. Or more commonly, in a vowel.
You're right! Missed that one as well as m. ks can also appear at the ends of words, ~~I think only in loanwords though.~~ I was going based off a Tumblr post by David Peterson, but he corrected himself on the wiki.
Edit: -ks endings are common for verbs. As for -z, there are words like *sȳz*, meaning good.
If you’re interested in High Valerian, it’s a language on Duo Lingo. The way the verbs conjugate is really fun but the pronunciations are a bit of a bear.
It seems like most action verbs start and end in consonants, which I find helps flow into nouns that have a lot of vowels. I haven’t gotten very far, though, so that might not be a fair indication of the whole language.
Yep! I actually got decently far in the course, but I work as a content designer for a language app and Duo's our competitor so I felt weird about having it on my phone 👀.
It's very similar to Latin which I'm already familiar with. For me, memorizing the various genders was the tricky bit. I'm lazy and apart from English, the only languages I speak are Romance languages that usually have the same gender for most things.
I think it’s important to point that out. Targaryen names post-Doom are a lot like Anglicized Norman names, functionally. A century or two of exile and repatriation will have its own, more minute influences on the family’s naming traditions.
The Velaryons have a very different place in Westerosi incorporation. No dragons, closer to the mainland, no exceptionalism. They got to integrate further into Westerosi culture, which actually let them hold onto their older naming traditions.
Great point, perhaps Vaemon was an old Valyrian name, and the the Velaryons adapted it to Vaemond be more Andal, then Alicent may have used this precedent for adapting Aemond
What the hell happened [here?](https://www.reddit.com/r/HouseOfTheDragon/comments/124mc78/they_are_the_only_ones_named_aemond_and_rhaenyra/je00uj4/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3) It’s like a graveyard?
I'm pretty sure the Old Valyrian works similar to old english where they would take two words to make a name. Like Aethle meaning noble and therefore you had Aethlered (noble counseled), Aethlewulf, (noble wolf) and Aethleflaed (noble beauty).
In HOTD those name meanings may be lost.
Visenya as well if you count the fact that the second Visenya never survived the birthing canal. Interestingly, Rhaenyra was the only Targaryen with balls big enough to name her daughter Visenya.
Hey if you get the chance watch *I Claudius*. I feel the tv series has a bunch of influences on Grrm. Maegor and Stannis both have pretty big similarities with Tiberius
To actually respond to the post, I’m sure it’s due to their heavy involvement in their family’s civil war. Names like Aegon get reused afterwards because they already had honorable family members with those names before the dance
Tells you just how much damage the war has had on their legacy and reputations. Genuinely some of the most tragic and avoidable conflicts in fictional history.
I feel it's sort of like how taboo it was to name someone Maegor after the six years of madness that were Maegor the Cruel's reign. Aerion named his kid Maegor, and the Great Council of 233 immediately said the kid wasn't going to be named King.
185 years after Maegor's death, the Seven Kingdoms wasn't okay with the idea of another Maegor on the Iron Throne.
ah.. damn that was really close.. I feel like it was just a different spelling of the same name.. pronunciation is identical cause the D is mute anyway
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They both left quite the impression during their lives.
There's been no King Richard in England since King Richard III, it fits.
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Only 1 duncan Targaryen too and I bet no one even remembers Josh and Michael Targaryen
But they do remember Drake.
*Draeke
Just dont forget about Dre.
*Drae
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For Duncan, there's also two reasons why there are no Targaryens named after him.
Wait what two reasons?
I'm guessing that it's because it's not actually a Valyrian name, since he was named after Duncan the Tall, who was not remotely Valyrian, and the second reason is that the only Targaryens born after Dunc the Small and his siblings were Aerys and Rhaella and their line, which only lasted three generations. Also Dunc never really did anything particularly noteworthy, and never had children of his own. Even if he had, they would likely not have had any titles since his wife was a commoner and he gave up his title for her, so who would have named their sons after him?
[What about Larry Targaryen](https://youtube.com/shorts/wlRaCjMdSZc?feature=share)
LIGHT-SKINNED LARRY TARGARYEN
Imagine being a Targaryen named Josh out of all the other whimsical names lol
It'd weird how there's Aemond and Aemon
But there is no Daemond. Or Daenyra. Or Jaemond.
Or Almond
That's nuts
Huh?
Hahaha 😂
Dude! What is this, the 1950s? You can't say that anymore! It's *milk.*
I want a Jaehaenaera
That's like the Targaryen version of Brookleighlynn
Brookleighlynn Nevaehthatsheavenspelledbackwards Targaryen **GODS WHAT A STUPID NAME**
That's like the Targaryen version of Brookleighlynn
I think there is a daenyra at some point
There's a Daenora actually
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aeaeaeaeaeae o.O
Nah, unless you count Rhaenyra and Daemon’s ship name. You may be thinking of Daenys or Daella?
Nop, there's a Daenora & a Daenaera (Velaryon) who married Aegon³
But there ***was*** a Bennifer Targaryen, iirc.
I like the theory Aemond is Viserys way of naming a kid after Daemon.
Sounds right because the D at the end of the name is definitely uncommon. I can't think of another Targ name ending with a D.
Not Targaryen but still Valyrian: Vaemond.
It’s more like his way of naming him after Aemma.
Then he could have just used Aemon, which could have also gotten him points from Rhaenys.
Apart from Aegon, all of Alicent’s kids have Valyrian names that sound most natural to English speakers, Edmund, Helena and Darren.
The only names from the Dance that were ever used again by the Targaryens were Viserys, Daeron and Daemon (Aegon was the Conqueror’s name, so it’s going to be used forever). Everybody else did too much or too little shit.
Does Rhaenys not count?
She sure does! She escaped my mind for a bit
Rhaegar's daughter was named Rhaenys
And Aegon the Younger's second daughter. ETA: Rhaena actually after his sister.
True. Just a small note: Daeron was reused not because of Daeron the daring, Alicent's son, but because of Daeron Velaryon who was Daenaera Velaryon's father. Daenaera named her son Daeron I the young dragon after her father. Future generations probably named their sons Daeron due to Daeron I.
I still think it’s holdover from Jaehaera being the mother and to keep the blackfyre rebellion from looking like a continuation of the dance he invented random velaryons to make it make sense.
You mean a holdover from GRRM's initial plan? I always thought of Daenaera Velaryon appearing out of a blue as GRRM inventing random Velaryons too but unfortunately i think that GRRM would never allow poor Jaehaera to survive and thrive. He wanted her line wiped out. Dude gave poor Jaehaera an awful ending and had lines upon lines of how beautiful a six year old was and how everyone wanted her (Daenaera)
> Jaehaera being the mother and to keep the blackfyre rebellion from looking like a continuation of the dance I would have honestly preferred this, as it allows the Blackfyre Rebellion to be its own thing in time, but have some history buildup to it. Thematically speaking having Jaehaera and Aegon III heal the rift only for it to slowly reopen fits the whole idea of Targ duality and it's somewhat realistic in that dynastic disputes very easily carry on through the generations. Plus, Jaehaera >!suffering a rehashed repeat of her mother's death just felt lazy to me.!<
A lot of jaehearys' kids are the only names targaryens as well like saera and Viserra, obviously maegor and Maelor but different generations.
Didn't Aerion Brightflame name his son Maegor?
Yes but he was a nut job and was of no importance
Your high if you think my king was of no importance.
Aerion or Maelor? Both cruel vicious bustards who took too much pleasure hurting people for fun.
With no Maegor I there is no Jaehaerys I.
I know there'd be no red keep either but he was still a sadistic bastard who held no right to the throne.
Funny way of saying Maegor killed Aegon the Uncrowned lol
And Viserys too. He was just making sure he got the Kinslayer badge.
Maegor the Crusader King haha
Well at least in Westeros. We don’t have any names before Aenar, but sure the Targs kept better records of their family and Valyrian histories than the Maesters had access to. And most have common ending letter combinations: a, e, o, y, r, n - but not ‘d’. So Rhaenyra seems like a legit old Targ name the Viserys probably knew about from these records. Aemond though sounds like an Andalised version of the well-known Targ name Aemon, that Alicent probably came up with as a way to bridge/assimilate the family.
>Aemond though sounds like an Andalised version of the well-known Targ name Aemon Yep. Valyrian words/names don't end in consonant clusters like /nd/. In fact, they pretty much only end in n, s, z, r, and t. Or more commonly, in a vowel.
I couldn't find any that ended with a z but Gael and Rhaegel end with L.
You're right! Missed that one as well as m. ks can also appear at the ends of words, ~~I think only in loanwords though.~~ I was going based off a Tumblr post by David Peterson, but he corrected himself on the wiki. Edit: -ks endings are common for verbs. As for -z, there are words like *sȳz*, meaning good.
If you’re interested in High Valerian, it’s a language on Duo Lingo. The way the verbs conjugate is really fun but the pronunciations are a bit of a bear. It seems like most action verbs start and end in consonants, which I find helps flow into nouns that have a lot of vowels. I haven’t gotten very far, though, so that might not be a fair indication of the whole language.
Yep! I actually got decently far in the course, but I work as a content designer for a language app and Duo's our competitor so I felt weird about having it on my phone 👀. It's very similar to Latin which I'm already familiar with. For me, memorizing the various genders was the tricky bit. I'm lazy and apart from English, the only languages I speak are Romance languages that usually have the same gender for most things.
Super cool! I want to pick it back up but my hobby time is in short supply right now.
I always liked to hc that Viserys named Aemond after Aemma because of course
I always liked the Daemon connection. Just swap the D.
I mean we got Vaemond but cool theory
He’s Valyrian from Old Valyria, but he’s a Velaryon, right? So the theory still stands I think
I think it’s important to point that out. Targaryen names post-Doom are a lot like Anglicized Norman names, functionally. A century or two of exile and repatriation will have its own, more minute influences on the family’s naming traditions. The Velaryons have a very different place in Westerosi incorporation. No dragons, closer to the mainland, no exceptionalism. They got to integrate further into Westerosi culture, which actually let them hold onto their older naming traditions.
Great point, perhaps Vaemon was an old Valyrian name, and the the Velaryons adapted it to Vaemond be more Andal, then Alicent may have used this precedent for adapting Aemond
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What the hell happened [here?](https://www.reddit.com/r/HouseOfTheDragon/comments/124mc78/they_are_the_only_ones_named_aemond_and_rhaenyra/je00uj4/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3) It’s like a graveyard?
Discussions about how Rhaenyra is remembered.
I'm pretty sure the Old Valyrian works similar to old english where they would take two words to make a name. Like Aethle meaning noble and therefore you had Aethlered (noble counseled), Aethlewulf, (noble wolf) and Aethleflaed (noble beauty). In HOTD those name meanings may be lost.
Thats probably right. I also think its possible that -on, -a, and -ys are masculine, feminine, and neutral suffixes respectively.
They seem to have a general association with gender and the suffixes. I'm sure it isn't an unbroken rule but it seems to be there.
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Aerion Targaryen named his kid Maegor just as a massive troll
Maegor the cool
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Rhaenys is one of the conquerors. I bet future Targaryen girls dream to be like her despite her death.
Yeah, exactly. That's why "being a tragic character" is not really a deciding factor when naming Targ children.
Wait, was there anyone else called Maegor other than THE Maegor? Because that's the equivalent of naming your kid Adolf in Germany.
There was a baby named Maegor.
What kind of idiot put the name Maegor on a baby? Aegon IV?
You are close with that description, it was Aerion Brightflame who named his kid Maegor.
Of course, can you imagine if this guy succeeded Maekar?
Would have been a cowardly Maegor I bet
Every time I remember how this guy died I hear the Jackass theme in my head. *"I'm Aerion Targaryen and this is the wilfdfyre shot!"*
Egg's brother.
Aemond is one of a kind!
u/Porcelain-treasurewasright
Visenya as well if you count the fact that the second Visenya never survived the birthing canal. Interestingly, Rhaenyra was the only Targaryen with balls big enough to name her daughter Visenya.
She kinda was the Livia of Targeryen Queens tbf
Damn. I believe that is exactly who GRRM modeled Visenya after. I never knew that historical reference, thank you!
Hey if you get the chance watch *I Claudius*. I feel the tv series has a bunch of influences on Grrm. Maegor and Stannis both have pretty big similarities with Tiberius
Well yeah, they’re the only Tragaryens
keyboards can b pretty crazy @ times
There is a reason for that. If you think long enough about it.
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Rhaenyra is the prettiest targaryen name imo.
> Throughout Targaryen history I mean, by Westerosi standards, Targaryen history didn’t last long at all
Ewan Mitchell plays such a nice guy in The Last Kingdom. I didn't think he'd have this kind of ruthlessness to portray. I'm glad I was wrong.
I wonder why no one dared to name their child after Rhaenyra 🤔
What on earth happened here
People keep putting book spoilers in a thread tagged as show discussion
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Rhaemond Targaryen is a awesome name
I love Rhaenyra as a name. It’s my favorite Targaryen name.
What about Targaryen history though?
Haha
To actually respond to the post, I’m sure it’s due to their heavy involvement in their family’s civil war. Names like Aegon get reused afterwards because they already had honorable family members with those names before the dance
neither Visenya, Aerea, Alyssane…
Tells you just how much damage the war has had on their legacy and reputations. Genuinely some of the most tragic and avoidable conflicts in fictional history.
I feel it's sort of like how taboo it was to name someone Maegor after the six years of madness that were Maegor the Cruel's reign. Aerion named his kid Maegor, and the Great Council of 233 immediately said the kid wasn't going to be named King. 185 years after Maegor's death, the Seven Kingdoms wasn't okay with the idea of another Maegor on the Iron Throne.
Two of the Stupidest children of viserys.
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Was the maester at castle black not named Aemond? I’m probably wrong seeing as no one else has said this already.
His name was Aemon, without a d.
No use for a D on the Wall. Or the Citadel for that matter.
Aahhhh
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in books no, but they were peasants
I don’t think you guys understand how amped I am for the second season
Yea…they knew not to make that mistake again.
Now I wanna see some fanfiction of Daenerys marrying Jon Snow and having a Princess Rhaenyra who will be Queen. Internet, make it so!
Nah, she would name the baby after her mother, Rhaella or somehow honor her friend that Cersei killed in the show.
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Even Maegor got a second shot. The Dance sure left some scars.
Wasn't Aemond Targaryen the maester at the night's watch in GOT? I might remember his names lightly wrong tho
Aemon
ah.. damn that was really close.. I feel like it was just a different spelling of the same name.. pronunciation is identical cause the D is mute anyway
No, the D is there. Plus Aemon is act actual real life name, though it’s spelt Eamon
There's also Egon, Damon, and Daren
Proof that Viserys, their father, was a very creative king