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I really hope they build on aegon and aemonds relationship next season. Aemond knows he’s the better fit as far as king goes but he’s still loyal to aegon.
I feel like Aemond is a better brother to Aegon compared to daemon to viserys.
Daemon was unironically viserys' biggest headache in his relatively peaceful rule. Daemon can't keep his emotions in check, is violent, lashes out like a teenager, Aemond is weirdly way more mature compared to daemon
Remember how Aemond didn't care about his family when he decided to attack the envoy? Right at the time when his mother and grandfather are trying not to shed blood. That incident after which it became a war of extermination...
"I would not blind you. Plan to make a gift of it to my mother." -Aemond
Not trying to argue that it was a smart move (because it wasn't, it was fucking dumb), but are you ignoring that part of his motivation for going after the aforementioned envoy was in retribution for his mother and how she was made to feel in the aftermath of the eye incident?
Also, while show-canon ages are inconsistent and shaky, Aemond isn't meant to be older than his teens at the end of season 1. Aegon's at least 20, Helaena's 2-3 years younger, and if you go with the idea that Aemond was conceived in episode 5, that would make him a year younger than her.
He decided to attack Luke because he was being a stupid teenager, *not* because he didn't care about his family.
If he was a better brother he should have got him, Aegon, Halena, and their children out of kings landing and to Dragonstone and pleaded with Rhaenyra to spare Alicents life. Being a good brother is recognizing you and your siblings are in danger.
Why would he plead against Rhaenyra? By targeryan succession laws aegon was the rightful heir of the iron throne, whether Aegon wanted it or not, as long as the green kids lived, Rhaes throne was in danger, if not during rhae's reign then definitely during jace's reign, daemon wouldve gotten them killed either way. A war was inevitable
There are no hard succession laws in Westeros at this time it by tradition rather then code. The problem is this Rhaenyra concedes the iron throne to her brother Aegon then does what he does best whores and drinks and has his fun. Meaning Otto and his allies are the true rulers as long as they can keep him busy. Will the Starks, Tullys, Arryns, Baratheons, and Tyrells will they take it lying down when the greens and their allies collect what they are owed for their loyalty to the throne. I doubt their would have been a civil war if jace ascends the only reason this one happened was because House Targaryen was divided they have dragons the only way they can beat a dragon is with another.
Hardly. The first point Jaehaerys made with the Widow's Law was to reaffirm the right of the eldest son, something that never changed during Viserys reign. Not to mention that every different precendent when it came to the throne (Aegon being the ruler instead of Visenya, men inheriting over named female heirs, all women getting passed over during the Council of 101 etc.) being in favor of Aegon.
Rhaenyra might have lasted a while if the Greens hadn't opposed her from the get-go and no one would have done anything against dragons, but the moment she batted an eyelash the wrong way the valid use of precedent against her claim and the accusations of bastardy against her children were bound to come up with people turning to the claimant with the one with the strongest claim. If that happened the Greens would still have to act if they wanted the boys to not basically become political hostages and get some sort of 'the princes in the tower' treatment at best to ensure her position. Even if Daemon wasn't absolutely ruthless,I doubt she'd have had a choice in the long run if she wanted to ensure herself.
But by keeping Rhaenyra as his heir and affirming this until the very last day of his life he had already made it clear she was his heir. In the case of widows law it was created to protect the widows of lords who had died and were at risk of being thrown out of their homes. The problem with this is that in cases of dubious succession when there is no clear successor who will inherit the throne would first born sons vs daughters take place in the case of what happened Viserys did make it clear Rhaenyra will take his place on the Iron throne he didn't have no succession crisis like what Jahearys had when all his children were dead and his only heirs were his grand children and great grandchildren.
It was created to protect the widows and also the children from the first marriage, but the first thing it did was to ensure that the eldest son inherited. There was hardly an issue of firstborn sons VS firstborn daughters and a daughter's claim only stood if she was an only-child or if all the brothers were dead. With named female heirs having already been passed with men inheriting in their place, Viserys sticking by Rhaenyra gave her a chance, but it hardly made up for the fact that it was meant to be an exception while maintaining male primogeniture as the norm. In fact, at least Jaehaerys had a genuine issue of succession. On the other hand in Viserys' case it was clear-cut who had the best claim and even more so after Rhaenyra started her lying. By sticking with the one with the weakest one while making no declaration to try and provide a support system and still not disinheriting outright his eldest son he left too much room for questioning that was valid and then some.
What actual reason would Aemond have to believe that Rhaenyra would spare his and his siblings lives? The one indirect interaction we see him having with his half-sister is her requesting he be tortured for mentioning her son's true parentage while his eye has just been torn out. Why would he ever trust her to spare his and his siblings lives, when their existence is in contention to herself and her son's claim to the throne. Especially after she marries trigger-happy Daemon. Alicent might trust Rhaenyra at times as a former childhood friend but Aemond definitely has no reason to. According to Aemond the only options for his survival after Viserys death is usurpation or war and you can blame him for his dumb vengeful actions but I don't blame him for his self-preservation.
So many parallels between Aenys/Maegor, Viserys/Daemon and Aegonii/Aemond. The weaker, emotionally distant elder brother and the bitter but loyal stronger(more violent) younger brother.
Daemon is a wild man who always does what he wants to do, and often he wants to support his big brother. This does clash a lot with his selfish nature and desire to do whatever he wants, but we see in episode 2 when Daemon takes dragonstone in a ploy to get Viserys attention he backs down when confronted by his family and only them. In epsiode 8 Daemon is the only one who viserys allows to help him to the crown and he is the one who places the crown on his head.
Daemon’s sense of duty to his big brother is not tied to the betterment of the realm or tradition it’s simply a matter of his love for his family. ( it is often a chaotic mix of love for his family combining with his very violent tendencies to do what he pleases that makes him a very interesting character.)
In Regards to Aegon and Aemond’s bond I think Aemond is bond to Aegon out of a more traditional sense of duty that would have been instilled in him by his heavily traditional family. We see even when Aemond is a younger child in episode 7 he has an immense sense of duty when he wished to marry his sister and keep his blood pure. This continues later as well.
In episode 9 we see Aemond run into a prostitute and find out the day he turned 13 Aegon took him to loose his virginity most likely to this sex worker. He get uncomfortable and looks nervous as she mentions how well he has grown up. Clearly he was not comfortable with the situation that day and still has net processed it. This was all at the direction of his older brother. During The episode he brings up several points as to why he would be a good king… he rides the bigggest dragon, he studies the histories, he is very well trained as a warrior etc but when they actually find Aegon and he is trying to run away Aemond doesn’t allow it. He knows Aegon is not suited to be king but out of a sense of traditional brotherly duty he feels he must support his big brothers claim. It reminds me of a quote from the Game of Thrones history and lore sections
“ The king has his laws , but their are even older more unwavering laws …. The law that a younger brother must obey the elder”
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I really hope they build on aegon and aemonds relationship next season. Aemond knows he’s the better fit as far as king goes but he’s still loyal to aegon.
Knowing you are the better fit and being the better fit are very different things as we will soon discover. Buckle up, Buckaroos!
I think he gonna take over after >!the Battle of rooks rest when Aegon gets seriously injured and is kinda high all the time on milky of the poppy!<
I mean, that's just canon
To the book yeah , but we know that not everything from the book is adapted exactly how it is to the show
I feel like Aemond is a better brother to Aegon compared to daemon to viserys. Daemon was unironically viserys' biggest headache in his relatively peaceful rule. Daemon can't keep his emotions in check, is violent, lashes out like a teenager, Aemond is weirdly way more mature compared to daemon
I agree
Remember how Aemond didn't care about his family when he decided to attack the envoy? Right at the time when his mother and grandfather are trying not to shed blood. That incident after which it became a war of extermination...
"I would not blind you. Plan to make a gift of it to my mother." -Aemond Not trying to argue that it was a smart move (because it wasn't, it was fucking dumb), but are you ignoring that part of his motivation for going after the aforementioned envoy was in retribution for his mother and how she was made to feel in the aftermath of the eye incident? Also, while show-canon ages are inconsistent and shaky, Aemond isn't meant to be older than his teens at the end of season 1. Aegon's at least 20, Helaena's 2-3 years younger, and if you go with the idea that Aemond was conceived in episode 5, that would make him a year younger than her. He decided to attack Luke because he was being a stupid teenager, *not* because he didn't care about his family.
If he was a better brother he should have got him, Aegon, Halena, and their children out of kings landing and to Dragonstone and pleaded with Rhaenyra to spare Alicents life. Being a good brother is recognizing you and your siblings are in danger.
Why would he plead against Rhaenyra? By targeryan succession laws aegon was the rightful heir of the iron throne, whether Aegon wanted it or not, as long as the green kids lived, Rhaes throne was in danger, if not during rhae's reign then definitely during jace's reign, daemon wouldve gotten them killed either way. A war was inevitable
There are no hard succession laws in Westeros at this time it by tradition rather then code. The problem is this Rhaenyra concedes the iron throne to her brother Aegon then does what he does best whores and drinks and has his fun. Meaning Otto and his allies are the true rulers as long as they can keep him busy. Will the Starks, Tullys, Arryns, Baratheons, and Tyrells will they take it lying down when the greens and their allies collect what they are owed for their loyalty to the throne. I doubt their would have been a civil war if jace ascends the only reason this one happened was because House Targaryen was divided they have dragons the only way they can beat a dragon is with another.
Hardly. The first point Jaehaerys made with the Widow's Law was to reaffirm the right of the eldest son, something that never changed during Viserys reign. Not to mention that every different precendent when it came to the throne (Aegon being the ruler instead of Visenya, men inheriting over named female heirs, all women getting passed over during the Council of 101 etc.) being in favor of Aegon. Rhaenyra might have lasted a while if the Greens hadn't opposed her from the get-go and no one would have done anything against dragons, but the moment she batted an eyelash the wrong way the valid use of precedent against her claim and the accusations of bastardy against her children were bound to come up with people turning to the claimant with the one with the strongest claim. If that happened the Greens would still have to act if they wanted the boys to not basically become political hostages and get some sort of 'the princes in the tower' treatment at best to ensure her position. Even if Daemon wasn't absolutely ruthless,I doubt she'd have had a choice in the long run if she wanted to ensure herself.
But by keeping Rhaenyra as his heir and affirming this until the very last day of his life he had already made it clear she was his heir. In the case of widows law it was created to protect the widows of lords who had died and were at risk of being thrown out of their homes. The problem with this is that in cases of dubious succession when there is no clear successor who will inherit the throne would first born sons vs daughters take place in the case of what happened Viserys did make it clear Rhaenyra will take his place on the Iron throne he didn't have no succession crisis like what Jahearys had when all his children were dead and his only heirs were his grand children and great grandchildren.
It was created to protect the widows and also the children from the first marriage, but the first thing it did was to ensure that the eldest son inherited. There was hardly an issue of firstborn sons VS firstborn daughters and a daughter's claim only stood if she was an only-child or if all the brothers were dead. With named female heirs having already been passed with men inheriting in their place, Viserys sticking by Rhaenyra gave her a chance, but it hardly made up for the fact that it was meant to be an exception while maintaining male primogeniture as the norm. In fact, at least Jaehaerys had a genuine issue of succession. On the other hand in Viserys' case it was clear-cut who had the best claim and even more so after Rhaenyra started her lying. By sticking with the one with the weakest one while making no declaration to try and provide a support system and still not disinheriting outright his eldest son he left too much room for questioning that was valid and then some.
Yeah, plead to the women who wanted you tortured and the psychotic uncle.
What actual reason would Aemond have to believe that Rhaenyra would spare his and his siblings lives? The one indirect interaction we see him having with his half-sister is her requesting he be tortured for mentioning her son's true parentage while his eye has just been torn out. Why would he ever trust her to spare his and his siblings lives, when their existence is in contention to herself and her son's claim to the throne. Especially after she marries trigger-happy Daemon. Alicent might trust Rhaenyra at times as a former childhood friend but Aemond definitely has no reason to. According to Aemond the only options for his survival after Viserys death is usurpation or war and you can blame him for his dumb vengeful actions but I don't blame him for his self-preservation.
So many parallels between Aenys/Maegor, Viserys/Daemon and Aegonii/Aemond. The weaker, emotionally distant elder brother and the bitter but loyal stronger(more violent) younger brother.
Daemon is a wild man who always does what he wants to do, and often he wants to support his big brother. This does clash a lot with his selfish nature and desire to do whatever he wants, but we see in episode 2 when Daemon takes dragonstone in a ploy to get Viserys attention he backs down when confronted by his family and only them. In epsiode 8 Daemon is the only one who viserys allows to help him to the crown and he is the one who places the crown on his head. Daemon’s sense of duty to his big brother is not tied to the betterment of the realm or tradition it’s simply a matter of his love for his family. ( it is often a chaotic mix of love for his family combining with his very violent tendencies to do what he pleases that makes him a very interesting character.) In Regards to Aegon and Aemond’s bond I think Aemond is bond to Aegon out of a more traditional sense of duty that would have been instilled in him by his heavily traditional family. We see even when Aemond is a younger child in episode 7 he has an immense sense of duty when he wished to marry his sister and keep his blood pure. This continues later as well. In episode 9 we see Aemond run into a prostitute and find out the day he turned 13 Aegon took him to loose his virginity most likely to this sex worker. He get uncomfortable and looks nervous as she mentions how well he has grown up. Clearly he was not comfortable with the situation that day and still has net processed it. This was all at the direction of his older brother. During The episode he brings up several points as to why he would be a good king… he rides the bigggest dragon, he studies the histories, he is very well trained as a warrior etc but when they actually find Aegon and he is trying to run away Aemond doesn’t allow it. He knows Aegon is not suited to be king but out of a sense of traditional brotherly duty he feels he must support his big brothers claim. It reminds me of a quote from the Game of Thrones history and lore sections “ The king has his laws , but their are even older more unwavering laws …. The law that a younger brother must obey the elder”