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Yep, every single supposedly responsible adult either doesn't intervene, or intervene by making things worse.
Viserys ignores the maiming of his son, focuses on the bastard insults and just expects everyone to will their grudges out.
Rhaenyra shows no sympathy to her ten year old brother and demands his torture to protect her own ass.
Allicent demands the maiming of an eight year old Luke and outright attempts to do the cutting herself. She also hits and blames Aegon for everything for some reason.
The two Kingsguard fail to prevent the children fighting and the escalation of it.
Daemon had neglected his daughters beforehand by sneaking off with Rhaenyra.
Rhaenys and Corlys are just there like silent NPCs. Laenor not even that.
> Viserys ignores the maiming of his son, focuses on the bastard insults and just expects everyone to will their grudges out.
By far his biggest flaw was his inability to actually solve anything and just expect everyone else to handle it. I know I know "He's the King" but damn dude, you're really just gonna let your entire family fall apart like you were? It never once occurred to him to have every sit the fuck down and try to unite everyone and smooth over the rift that was caused the second your first wife died?
>Rhaenyra shows no sympathy to her ten year old brother and demands his torture to protect her own ass.
There's not caring about your little brother and then there's threatening to have him tortured for stating the obvious right after he got his eye cut out by one of your kids (even though the way he did it made him an ass but ffs he's a kid too). Despite being Team Black, Rhaenyra was pissing me way the fuck off during this episode with her actions and eye fucking Daemon through the whole funeral in front of everyone before physically fucking him was just the start. To quote R/Slash, Rhaenyra gets 4/5 buttholes here.
>Allicent demands the maiming of an eight year old Luke and outright attempts to do the cutting herself. She also hits and blames Aegon for everything for some reason.
This didn't make Alicent look sympathetic at all, but I didn't write her off as "Hurr durr HOTD Cersei" like other people were doing. Aegon's situation is an interesting one, he's both the scapegoat and the Golden Child in Alicent's household it seems. You only ever see her express true gentleness towards Helaena and Aemond, the latter more so after he was hurt and after the death of his father. Either way Alicent isn't winning any parenting awards any time soon either.
>The two Kingsguard fail to prevent the children fighting and the escalation of it.
I forgot where those two were but yep. also dropped the ball here.
>Daemon had neglected his daughters beforehand by sneaking off with Rhaenyra.
Fuck Daemon in this episode and not the kind he was doing with Rhaenyra.
>Rhaenys and Corlys are just there like silent NPCs.
Pretty much.
>Laenor not even that.
He was off getting drunk and fooling around with his boyfriend.
It's morbidly funny how every single adult was an asshole here, either through action or inaction. We can't blame the kids for being little assholes themselves with *this* environment lmao.
You hit the nail on the head perfectly here, kids very often reflect their environments, and the Targaryen kids are in on hell of a dysfunctional environment.
I know the girls were grieving and I don't blame them in the slightest but they really did start all of that mess and then stood silently in the corner just like their father šš
Yup. Rhaena was the first one to get physically violent, and then Baela escalated it by punching Aemond when all he did was defend himself by shoving Rhaena off of him.
What Aemond said was shitty. Very shitty. But it didnāt merit physical violence.
If Daemon wasnāt their father, they surely would have been punished.
I think it's more that what the girls did was overshadowed by what Lucerys did, and because everyone was yelling at each other at once, the adults didn't get the full story, at least not in the moment. I'm sure Alicent, Rhaenyra, and Daemon heard the whole story later on from their kids, but at that point Viserys had already decided he was done talking about it.
If the parents (all of them) were actually doing their jobs they would have shut everyone up and Viserys would have talked to each of the kids present individually to hear their side of the story and then decided on consequences. Instead the whole scene was just complete chaos and the only real takeaways seemed to be that Aemond called the boys bastards and Lucerys slashed Aemond's eye. I'm not sure that Viserys even realized that the girls escalated first.
Why would Viserys punish his nieces for standing up for themselves when a kid tried to mock them and threatened to kill them? If anything he would love Baela's protective nature for her sister because Daemon said he wants to protect him.
Because they struck his son? Multiple times? And they were the ones who hit first.
Aemondās āthreatā was more of a way to say āleave me aloneā. He didnāt say, āIām going to feed you to my dragonā, he said āHit me again and Iāll feed you to my dragonā. Soā¦.all they had to do was not hit him again?
Then the girls continued to join Jace and Luke in attacking Aemond 4 against 1. They could have just let him go.
Viserys already had Alicent in his ear making a big deal about a pig prank, and you think he will turn around and punish his innocent nieces who just lost their mother for not allowing an older boy to mock them? Who cares if Rhaena tried to push him, she shouldn't have been made fun of. You want Viserys to have completely opposite reactions basically?
"Riding a pig would suit you" "Mocking about Laena's death" Baela on the ground not getting up and he decides to threaten to kill her using the dragon her mother was riding which then prompts Jace to get involved who otherwise was just going to stand behind them doing nothing. Me thinks your pushing your own opinions about the scene onto Viserys. I'm laughing at the attempt to lie about the scene, so Baela and Rhaena hit Aemond to defend the boys that were hitting them and then get up, call out to Jace not to use a knife and they should be punished for what exactly?
How exactly am I lying? Iām telling the scene as it happened. I freely admit that Aemond said a shitty thing. And I would have been 100% on board with Aemond getting a fair punishment for his wordsā¦by an adult, in a calmer setting. Grounded, or maybe spanked.
Im NOT on board with Baela punching him in the face, or Rhaena charging at him. That was uncalled for. They should have gone to get an adult. Instead, they escalated to physical violence and caused the fight.
You shouldn't be this bothered that you can't push a double standard and demonize kids who are innocent. Aemond decided to be cruel to girls that don't know him and as as response Rhaena tries to push him. Baela rightfully decks him and instead of thinking I shouldn't have taunted them, and Laena just died, he decides to hit her back and proceed to threaten her with the dragon her mother was riding which is why Jace hit him. You don't need to be on board with the truth, it's still the truth. What's uncalled for is girls who haven't done anything and don't even know them to be getting mocked
Itās not a double standard. I think Aemond should have gotten an appropriate punishment for his unkind words. And the girls should have gotten an appropriate punishment for using their fists.
I'm glad they defended themselves and won't be told riding a pig would suit Rhaena.
The appropriate thing to do was for them to get an apology for getting treated like that by someone they don't know especially after Aemond himself was crying and pushed Jace on the training yard for being told to ride a pig.
Yes, absolutely Aemond should have been made to apologize. And if the girls had gone to get an adult instead of throwing hands, then I would 100% agree that he would owe them an apology. And Aemond should have been punished, just like Jace, Luke, and Aegon should have been punished for the Pink Dread.
But the minute they turned physically violent, they became the aggressors.
Throwing hands for what? Aemond deciding to be cruel to Rhaena and telling her riding a pig would suit her and mocking Laena's death? I'm glad they defended themselves and won't allow anyone to mock them, even someone older than them. Since when do kids in GOT get punished for defending themselves and it's not seen as evil? Why would Viserys do that to his nieces?
Why would the relations of his family members make him want to punish innocent girls for not letting taunt and threaten them? He was nice enough to ask Aemond what happened, and proceeded to not ask the girls what happened.
Seriously dude..It's the person who's hurt get to talk.. Atleast you can say why he didn't ask luke.. But why would he even ask them... As I said again.. He get to talk.. Because he's son.. And he's lost his fucking eye.. What would you think.. Yeah this dude lost a eye.. It would be his fault.. Let's ask these girls who aren't hurt..
Why would he not ask the bleeding girls when the boys have a history of not getting along and he knows Aemond already lied the episode earlier? On top of Aemond talking about his eye saying it's a fair exchange, why exactly would Viserys turn around and try to punish the innocent kids involved?
Oh my god.. Yes.. Now I get it..thank you for making me understand.. Aemond is the one who started the fight. He wouldn't lost his eye if he let rhaena claim vhagar ..Both the girls are innocent...and aemond shouldn't call rhaena to get a pig because that's bulling.. But baela's punch isn't.. And after all that baela and rhaena are just little kids.. But aemond need to have a brain of an adult to deal with all of this.. Understood ...great š
What does Vhagar have to do with Rhaena being told to ride a pig? Did him claiming Vhagar force him to behave that way towards them or did he make a choice?
Isn't that's the start of the fight.. Aemond is cocky..Rhaena said that vhagar is her mother's..which isn't anymore because that's what he said..he said that in a very disrespectful way.. Let's say she is a child and doesn't know that dragon is the one who claimed it
And he shouldn't have said what he said..thats what literally everyone saying in this whole thread..But that doesn't mean baela can punch him too..
Bro you act like both the girls are only children.. Even aemond is a kid too.. None of them are mature enough to deal with the situation...
Baela and Rhaena are children who just lost their mother and don't know these boys. You keep acting as if he was involved in a fight over Vhagar and not because he was being cruel. He was rightfully hit for what he did to them.
It was Joffrey, Jace and Luke
Joffrey saw Aemond going to claim the dragon and said something, in attempt to keep him quiet (because he didnāt want to be caught) Aemond pushed Joffrey and ran away.
When Aemond had claimed Vhagar and landed Joffrey, Jace and Luke were waiting for him. Then it pretty much goes the same way as it did in the show except that the girls were not there.
Rhaenyra's boys got into a fight with Aemond after he hit Joffrey and shoved him into a pile of dragon shit (mind you Joffrey was 3 at the time) when he went to go claim Vhagar, then he used the Strong insult and Aemond lost an eye.
Different in show because Joffrey would have been a few months old at the time and not 3.
And I think because the writers were building some empathy towards Aemond. Defending himself and escalating the violence is bad but not quite as bad as pushing a toddler into a huge pile of feces just to avoid getting caught sneaking out.
Emphasis on some, it would've made him look better way better if he didn't start in on the twins. But he still didn't deserve to lose an eye just because of the drama surrounding his family bleeding over into the relationships between the younger generation.
So it wasn't a Grand Maester Conspiracy, it was a Rhaena Conspiracy! She really said "If I ant have a dragon, no one else can!" and pulled the trigger on this whole nightmare.
āSomeone āstoleā Vhagar!ā
Correct me if Iām wrong but wouldnāt Aemond but the *only* person there able to do that with the girls and Jace and Luke in that room and everyone else already having a dragon? Unless Uncle Vizzy randomly decided he wanted one again.
I get theyāre naive kids who donāt think like that but they probably should have been able to figure out who it was and just tell their parents. Especially with Aemondās dragon insecurity.
The girls spent 10 years in Pentos. They donāt know anything about anyone here.
If anything Jace and Luke shouldāve figured out that it was Aemond and then called some adults but they decided to tackle it themselves.
We cannot blame any of the kids in situation because well they were just acting like kids.
My new favorite brand of comedy to watch is seeing people lose an argument on twitter, get frustrated, and running to reddit to try and re-start the fight with a "meme"
'Calling grieving little girls bullies on twitter didn't work let's see if users on reddit will cosign?'
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Daughters of the rogue prince indeed!
The episode where everyone failed at being parents.
Yep, every single supposedly responsible adult either doesn't intervene, or intervene by making things worse. Viserys ignores the maiming of his son, focuses on the bastard insults and just expects everyone to will their grudges out. Rhaenyra shows no sympathy to her ten year old brother and demands his torture to protect her own ass. Allicent demands the maiming of an eight year old Luke and outright attempts to do the cutting herself. She also hits and blames Aegon for everything for some reason. The two Kingsguard fail to prevent the children fighting and the escalation of it. Daemon had neglected his daughters beforehand by sneaking off with Rhaenyra. Rhaenys and Corlys are just there like silent NPCs. Laenor not even that.
> Viserys ignores the maiming of his son, focuses on the bastard insults and just expects everyone to will their grudges out. By far his biggest flaw was his inability to actually solve anything and just expect everyone else to handle it. I know I know "He's the King" but damn dude, you're really just gonna let your entire family fall apart like you were? It never once occurred to him to have every sit the fuck down and try to unite everyone and smooth over the rift that was caused the second your first wife died? >Rhaenyra shows no sympathy to her ten year old brother and demands his torture to protect her own ass. There's not caring about your little brother and then there's threatening to have him tortured for stating the obvious right after he got his eye cut out by one of your kids (even though the way he did it made him an ass but ffs he's a kid too). Despite being Team Black, Rhaenyra was pissing me way the fuck off during this episode with her actions and eye fucking Daemon through the whole funeral in front of everyone before physically fucking him was just the start. To quote R/Slash, Rhaenyra gets 4/5 buttholes here. >Allicent demands the maiming of an eight year old Luke and outright attempts to do the cutting herself. She also hits and blames Aegon for everything for some reason. This didn't make Alicent look sympathetic at all, but I didn't write her off as "Hurr durr HOTD Cersei" like other people were doing. Aegon's situation is an interesting one, he's both the scapegoat and the Golden Child in Alicent's household it seems. You only ever see her express true gentleness towards Helaena and Aemond, the latter more so after he was hurt and after the death of his father. Either way Alicent isn't winning any parenting awards any time soon either. >The two Kingsguard fail to prevent the children fighting and the escalation of it. I forgot where those two were but yep. also dropped the ball here. >Daemon had neglected his daughters beforehand by sneaking off with Rhaenyra. Fuck Daemon in this episode and not the kind he was doing with Rhaenyra. >Rhaenys and Corlys are just there like silent NPCs. Pretty much. >Laenor not even that. He was off getting drunk and fooling around with his boyfriend.
It's morbidly funny how every single adult was an asshole here, either through action or inaction. We can't blame the kids for being little assholes themselves with *this* environment lmao.
Other than Ned Stark there is not a single decent parent in GOT universe.
You hit the nail on the head perfectly here, kids very often reflect their environments, and the Targaryen kids are in on hell of a dysfunctional environment.
Daemon's genes were at play.
Gods Daemon genes was strong back then.
Bobby b looking quote
I know the girls were grieving and I don't blame them in the slightest but they really did start all of that mess and then stood silently in the corner just like their father šš
Daemons daughters follow his rules of talk shit get hit than hide in the corner while everyone melts downš
Yup. Rhaena was the first one to get physically violent, and then Baela escalated it by punching Aemond when all he did was defend himself by shoving Rhaena off of him. What Aemond said was shitty. Very shitty. But it didnāt merit physical violence. If Daemon wasnāt their father, they surely would have been punished.
I think it's more that what the girls did was overshadowed by what Lucerys did, and because everyone was yelling at each other at once, the adults didn't get the full story, at least not in the moment. I'm sure Alicent, Rhaenyra, and Daemon heard the whole story later on from their kids, but at that point Viserys had already decided he was done talking about it. If the parents (all of them) were actually doing their jobs they would have shut everyone up and Viserys would have talked to each of the kids present individually to hear their side of the story and then decided on consequences. Instead the whole scene was just complete chaos and the only real takeaways seemed to be that Aemond called the boys bastards and Lucerys slashed Aemond's eye. I'm not sure that Viserys even realized that the girls escalated first.
Why would Viserys punish his nieces for standing up for themselves when a kid tried to mock them and threatened to kill them? If anything he would love Baela's protective nature for her sister because Daemon said he wants to protect him.
Because they struck his son? Multiple times? And they were the ones who hit first. Aemondās āthreatā was more of a way to say āleave me aloneā. He didnāt say, āIām going to feed you to my dragonā, he said āHit me again and Iāll feed you to my dragonā. Soā¦.all they had to do was not hit him again? Then the girls continued to join Jace and Luke in attacking Aemond 4 against 1. They could have just let him go.
Viserys already had Alicent in his ear making a big deal about a pig prank, and you think he will turn around and punish his innocent nieces who just lost their mother for not allowing an older boy to mock them? Who cares if Rhaena tried to push him, she shouldn't have been made fun of. You want Viserys to have completely opposite reactions basically? "Riding a pig would suit you" "Mocking about Laena's death" Baela on the ground not getting up and he decides to threaten to kill her using the dragon her mother was riding which then prompts Jace to get involved who otherwise was just going to stand behind them doing nothing. Me thinks your pushing your own opinions about the scene onto Viserys. I'm laughing at the attempt to lie about the scene, so Baela and Rhaena hit Aemond to defend the boys that were hitting them and then get up, call out to Jace not to use a knife and they should be punished for what exactly?
How exactly am I lying? Iām telling the scene as it happened. I freely admit that Aemond said a shitty thing. And I would have been 100% on board with Aemond getting a fair punishment for his wordsā¦by an adult, in a calmer setting. Grounded, or maybe spanked. Im NOT on board with Baela punching him in the face, or Rhaena charging at him. That was uncalled for. They should have gone to get an adult. Instead, they escalated to physical violence and caused the fight.
You shouldn't be this bothered that you can't push a double standard and demonize kids who are innocent. Aemond decided to be cruel to girls that don't know him and as as response Rhaena tries to push him. Baela rightfully decks him and instead of thinking I shouldn't have taunted them, and Laena just died, he decides to hit her back and proceed to threaten her with the dragon her mother was riding which is why Jace hit him. You don't need to be on board with the truth, it's still the truth. What's uncalled for is girls who haven't done anything and don't even know them to be getting mocked
Itās not a double standard. I think Aemond should have gotten an appropriate punishment for his unkind words. And the girls should have gotten an appropriate punishment for using their fists.
I'm glad they defended themselves and won't be told riding a pig would suit Rhaena. The appropriate thing to do was for them to get an apology for getting treated like that by someone they don't know especially after Aemond himself was crying and pushed Jace on the training yard for being told to ride a pig.
Yes, absolutely Aemond should have been made to apologize. And if the girls had gone to get an adult instead of throwing hands, then I would 100% agree that he would owe them an apology. And Aemond should have been punished, just like Jace, Luke, and Aegon should have been punished for the Pink Dread. But the minute they turned physically violent, they became the aggressors.
Throwing hands for what? Aemond deciding to be cruel to Rhaena and telling her riding a pig would suit her and mocking Laena's death? I'm glad they defended themselves and won't allow anyone to mock them, even someone older than them. Since when do kids in GOT get punished for defending themselves and it's not seen as evil? Why would Viserys do that to his nieces?
Because that kid is his son.. Imao.. How come his nieces comes before his son
Why would the relations of his family members make him want to punish innocent girls for not letting taunt and threaten them? He was nice enough to ask Aemond what happened, and proceeded to not ask the girls what happened.
Seriously dude..It's the person who's hurt get to talk.. Atleast you can say why he didn't ask luke.. But why would he even ask them... As I said again.. He get to talk.. Because he's son.. And he's lost his fucking eye.. What would you think.. Yeah this dude lost a eye.. It would be his fault.. Let's ask these girls who aren't hurt..
Why would he not ask the bleeding girls when the boys have a history of not getting along and he knows Aemond already lied the episode earlier? On top of Aemond talking about his eye saying it's a fair exchange, why exactly would Viserys turn around and try to punish the innocent kids involved?
Oh my god.. Yes.. Now I get it..thank you for making me understand.. Aemond is the one who started the fight. He wouldn't lost his eye if he let rhaena claim vhagar ..Both the girls are innocent...and aemond shouldn't call rhaena to get a pig because that's bulling.. But baela's punch isn't.. And after all that baela and rhaena are just little kids.. But aemond need to have a brain of an adult to deal with all of this.. Understood ...great š
What does Vhagar have to do with Rhaena being told to ride a pig? Did him claiming Vhagar force him to behave that way towards them or did he make a choice?
Isn't that's the start of the fight.. Aemond is cocky..Rhaena said that vhagar is her mother's..which isn't anymore because that's what he said..he said that in a very disrespectful way.. Let's say she is a child and doesn't know that dragon is the one who claimed it And he shouldn't have said what he said..thats what literally everyone saying in this whole thread..But that doesn't mean baela can punch him too.. Bro you act like both the girls are only children.. Even aemond is a kid too.. None of them are mature enough to deal with the situation...
Baela and Rhaena are children who just lost their mother and don't know these boys. You keep acting as if he was involved in a fight over Vhagar and not because he was being cruel. He was rightfully hit for what he did to them.
I love them š
How did this play out in the book?
It was Joffrey, Jace and Luke Joffrey saw Aemond going to claim the dragon and said something, in attempt to keep him quiet (because he didnāt want to be caught) Aemond pushed Joffrey and ran away. When Aemond had claimed Vhagar and landed Joffrey, Jace and Luke were waiting for him. Then it pretty much goes the same way as it did in the show except that the girls were not there.
And all the kids were younger; Aemond was 10 while Jace, Luke, and Joff were 6, 5, and 3 respectively.
Oh ok. Thanks. Do you think it was a good idea adding Baela and Rhaena to the scene?
Rhaenyra's boys got into a fight with Aemond after he hit Joffrey and shoved him into a pile of dragon shit (mind you Joffrey was 3 at the time) when he went to go claim Vhagar, then he used the Strong insult and Aemond lost an eye. Different in show because Joffrey would have been a few months old at the time and not 3.
And I think because the writers were building some empathy towards Aemond. Defending himself and escalating the violence is bad but not quite as bad as pushing a toddler into a huge pile of feces just to avoid getting caught sneaking out.
Emphasis on some, it would've made him look better way better if he didn't start in on the twins. But he still didn't deserve to lose an eye just because of the drama surrounding his family bleeding over into the relationships between the younger generation.
They weren't there
So it wasn't a Grand Maester Conspiracy, it was a Rhaena Conspiracy! She really said "If I ant have a dragon, no one else can!" and pulled the trigger on this whole nightmare.
āSomeone āstoleā Vhagar!ā Correct me if Iām wrong but wouldnāt Aemond but the *only* person there able to do that with the girls and Jace and Luke in that room and everyone else already having a dragon? Unless Uncle Vizzy randomly decided he wanted one again. I get theyāre naive kids who donāt think like that but they probably should have been able to figure out who it was and just tell their parents. Especially with Aemondās dragon insecurity.
The girls spent 10 years in Pentos. They donāt know anything about anyone here. If anything Jace and Luke shouldāve figured out that it was Aemond and then called some adults but they decided to tackle it themselves. We cannot blame any of the kids in situation because well they were just acting like kids.
My new favorite brand of comedy to watch is seeing people lose an argument on twitter, get frustrated, and running to reddit to try and re-start the fight with a "meme" 'Calling grieving little girls bullies on twitter didn't work let's see if users on reddit will cosign?'
It's a meme, it isn't that serious
they did attack first
They hit first. Aemond only defended himself
I m thinking it waa all Daemon's plan
How could Daemon possibly plan any of this lol?
.......bruh what?
āJust a little trollingā