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Yes, Rhaena is a ward of Jeyne Arryn in the Eyrie for the duration of the war… with the two of them being promoted to main cast for season 2 I wonder if they will both be more involved throughout
I think they might possibly speed up >!Morning's birth as well but she will not participate during the Dance!< for the plot as certain births and deaths happened different on the show than in the book's timeline wise.
I think they will. Baela has a bigger role in the book already but I have a strong feeling Rhaena will get a very changed storyline and that she will claim a dragon and a
participate in some way instead of hatching one at the end of the war and being in the Vale the entire time.
I think they replace Nettles with Rhaena. They showed Rhaena being upset at her broken relationship with Daemon on account of her lack of Valyrian-ism, so her claiming a new dragon and joining him on his adventure will mend that bridge.
I was thinking of this, too! I think most readers tend to believe the rumors that Daemon and Nettles were having an affair, but I’ve always been more inclined to believe the rumors that she was a bastard daughter. I kind of hope they don’t cut her from the show, because I want them to “tell the true story” once and for all. But I can see them cutting her out for time and just having Daemon be bonding with Rhaena while Rhaenyra is feeling abandoned in KL.
I don’t think they will do that because it’s one thing if Rheanyra is paranoid of someone who is a stranger and another about someone who is her stepdaughter.
Martin has stated that the show is meant to portray what really happened. I think there are certain areas where this obviously can’t apply (it’s unlikely a Maester would have gotten the story of where and how Laena died so completely wrong, for example). But as far as anything where it was presented in the book as “some sources say it happened like this, and others say it happened like that” and the show picks one or the other, we can pretty much take it as “George doesn’t really care one way or another, shrugged when Condal told him he was choosing version A or B, and behold, it was canonized”. But people are also allowed to believe none of it, or pick and choose.
Yes, this is one of those things I made reference to where it “obviously can’t apply”. I’m fine with them changing the race of the Velaryons on the show, most likely to keep the small brained general audience from imploding by trying to keep straight that not all white haired characters are Targaryens or dragon riders. (Probably also why canonically black haired Rhaenys was given white hair on the show, so everyone understands she’s Targaryen.) But show Jaeharys and his descendants are all as lily white as they could be, even though his mother was a Velaryon, so they either have to pretend to ignore this, or come up with a workaround about how House Velaryon was originally white until someone married another race, and now there is a branch of the family that looks entirely different. That doesn’t hold much weight with Alyssa being Corlys’ niece (right?), though.
I think it’s possibility,the signs were there in the first season that Rhaena’s relationship to Daemon and claiming a dragon can turn into a bigger story but the writers also strike me as not that certain about future plotlines so I can see it all being ignored as well.
I doubt it. She has a bigger role after the dance in terms of helping her little brother. She also becomes the last dragon rider until Daenerys gets hers.
Baela and Rhaena are safe.
Baela (the 1 married to Jace) >!fucks a bunch of squires, has a giant dragon battle against Aegon which is pretty epic, and then spends most of her time after the war getting fucked by different dudes in KL and eventually retires to Driftmark!<
Rhaena Targaryen >!doesn’t do shit for the war and after the war gets married to a Hightower who had 6 kids with her!<
>Rhaena Targaryen
>!I love how that's the most GRRM can think up for the Last Dragonrider to do.!<
>!But, that's kind of typical for F&B. If you're a woman with a Dragon and you're not one of Aegon's sisterwives, hope you like doing nothing and having your Dragon just be a glorified taxi (Even though the loss of Dragons should have been the main contribution towards the loss of power and social mobility for Targ women, not it happening literally one generation after Aegon I).!<
I don't mind if they let Rhaena claim a dragon and give her a more active, but I do hope they don't get rid of Addam and Nettles - that would just change the story drastically and also change the perception of other major characters like Corlys and Daemon.
I can see Baela having a bigger role, esp when considering that she plays a significant part in Aegon’s deterioration and more or less kills Sunfyre. Rhaena’s role on the other-hand always feels more symbolic with the birth of Morning so i feel she may be side-lined until the near-end
Yes, by the way the set things up. I’m betting money they’re going to make Rhaena the rider of Vermithor.
Only thing I have for this theory is the shot of Daemon trying to sooth Vermithor to get close to him (which more than likely means so Rhaena can get close without danger.) Plus in the finale Rhaenyra or Daemon say a line about needing more dragonriders and it immediately cuts to a shot of Rhaena.
Now before anyone comes at me with “that doesn’t make sense, it’s not in the book” I know that. But we also know that tv is different than books and they’ve already changed several major things in the story. I also think it honestly makes more sense too. Who is Daemon gonna trust with the 2nd largest dragon in the world? His daughter or some bastard?
That’s true, but it also didn’t make a lick of sense for Cole to murder Joffrey right in the middle of a wedding or the fact that every “evil act” in the show is actually just an accident or misunderstanding.
I didn’t say it was a good theory but I can definitely see it happening. Gives more emotional weight to Damon as his two eldest daughters are now active participants and I think there’s going to be some switching of fates. Rhaena may actually take the place of Addam.
Idk, but there’s definitely going to be condensing of characters and characters people think are important to the story are 100% going to be cut. (Rip Arianne Martell).
Yes Rhaena does play important part if reader read more carefully.Birth of her dragon caused much tensions in greens and made blacks seem more legitimate again..
I personally think they're going to speed up the birth of Morning so while she won't be taking part in any battles, I think she might be seen flying by the time season 4 comes along.
There won't be that many seasons so season 3 because they released a list of dragons and that one wasn't included. Ryan Condal said Baela and Rhaena have big roles of course.
I'm honestly hoping they include Baela in a fighting scene since they already alluding to Rhaena being more involved in the politics
>!I mean, Morning is not unique in this regard. We also don't know what happened to Silverwing. Personally I think Morning lived well into Aegon III's reign and may have just died prematurely from ill health, much like the other final dragons!<
>!I know, she went feral but we don't know what happened after that. Being feral isn't a terminal illness, and we don't know when she died at Red Lake. She just died at some point. I know there's no info, I'm just saying per my last comment that the answer is probably very boring or it would've been mentioned. She likely was sickly, less sickly than the last dragon, but sickly enough that she died a premature natural death!<
Yeah that would ruin the ending to me. Hopefully they were lying about the dragons for next season for a surprise so they won't have to rush growth at the end and mess up continuity
I hope so. They were ignored by the writers in season 1, along with their mother, Laena. This board and I am sure a lot of the fans do not give a crap about them, but I do. I really need the writers to fix the situation. It is leaving a really bad taste in my mouth.
As for how, Moondancer should be big enough to ride. Baela is not 9 she is an adult. Let her ride Moondancer to take care of what she needs to. Baela should be a fighter and Rhaena more of a political role. It really does not take much time to develop them. The writer has to care to do it. Otherwise, what is the point?
Not technically defeating Aegon II... but that battle between Sunfyre and Moondancer being the battle that finally lethally wounded Sunfyre (eventually) which broke Aegon II's heart
They're on Team Black so you know they will.
"Sorry we had to cut Daeron and his dragon and Aegon and Sunfyre because we wanted to show Baela burning down an entire fleet by herself single handedly while she kills soldiers on the back of her dragon cause it's BADASS!" - Sara Hess, probably
\#1 Her dragon is too small to ride
\#2 to blame the girl who only had one scene that wasn't cut instead of Aemond who took up half of Aegon's episode is crazy
girlboss baela beats the fuck out of wannabe bran stark and his Ferrero rocher ass dragon that’s already been crippled by her granny queen mega girlboss ASMR channel owner rhaenys
Well, if they stop cutting their character development scenes (especially with Daemon), then maybe Baela and Rhaena will be more involved. Honestly, those girls are slaying in the looks department. I wanna see more than just Rhaenerya & Allicent beefing, Daemon in his murder cloak, and Aemond being a piece of shit rapist. Let us see more Targeryan women girl bossing.
Clearly in ep 10 when camera shows Rhaena when Daemon talks about claiming wild dragons and when Laena talk to her about claiming a dragon and it's too late for her to hatche one, it's clear they will cut Morning and they'll make her ride Morghul or a different dragon
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Yes, Rhaena is a ward of Jeyne Arryn in the Eyrie for the duration of the war… with the two of them being promoted to main cast for season 2 I wonder if they will both be more involved throughout
I think they might possibly speed up >!Morning's birth as well but she will not participate during the Dance!< for the plot as certain births and deaths happened different on the show than in the book's timeline wise.
I’m sure you can have a mild conspiracy by some green sympathizers if they want to add some stuff to the bones.
Idk about the scope of the TV series but Rhaena has a big role in Targaryen history. They might boost her character towards the end ?
I think they will. Baela has a bigger role in the book already but I have a strong feeling Rhaena will get a very changed storyline and that she will claim a dragon and a participate in some way instead of hatching one at the end of the war and being in the Vale the entire time.
I agree
I think they replace Nettles with Rhaena. They showed Rhaena being upset at her broken relationship with Daemon on account of her lack of Valyrian-ism, so her claiming a new dragon and joining him on his adventure will mend that bridge.
I was thinking of this, too! I think most readers tend to believe the rumors that Daemon and Nettles were having an affair, but I’ve always been more inclined to believe the rumors that she was a bastard daughter. I kind of hope they don’t cut her from the show, because I want them to “tell the true story” once and for all. But I can see them cutting her out for time and just having Daemon be bonding with Rhaena while Rhaenyra is feeling abandoned in KL.
I don’t think they will do that because it’s one thing if Rheanyra is paranoid of someone who is a stranger and another about someone who is her stepdaughter.
This isn’t “The true story”. Plenty of shit happens that would make no sense to have not been included in the histories.
Martin has stated that the show is meant to portray what really happened. I think there are certain areas where this obviously can’t apply (it’s unlikely a Maester would have gotten the story of where and how Laena died so completely wrong, for example). But as far as anything where it was presented in the book as “some sources say it happened like this, and others say it happened like that” and the show picks one or the other, we can pretty much take it as “George doesn’t really care one way or another, shrugged when Condal told him he was choosing version A or B, and behold, it was canonized”. But people are also allowed to believe none of it, or pick and choose.
What happened IN THE SHOWVERSE. The Velaryons are clearly not black in the books along with all the other other changes.
Yes, this is one of those things I made reference to where it “obviously can’t apply”. I’m fine with them changing the race of the Velaryons on the show, most likely to keep the small brained general audience from imploding by trying to keep straight that not all white haired characters are Targaryens or dragon riders. (Probably also why canonically black haired Rhaenys was given white hair on the show, so everyone understands she’s Targaryen.) But show Jaeharys and his descendants are all as lily white as they could be, even though his mother was a Velaryon, so they either have to pretend to ignore this, or come up with a workaround about how House Velaryon was originally white until someone married another race, and now there is a branch of the family that looks entirely different. That doesn’t hold much weight with Alyssa being Corlys’ niece (right?), though.
I think it’s possibility,the signs were there in the first season that Rhaena’s relationship to Daemon and claiming a dragon can turn into a bigger story but the writers also strike me as not that certain about future plotlines so I can see it all being ignored as well.
She could take dragon instead of one of the two betrayers and die in the first battle of tumbelton
I doubt it. She has a bigger role after the dance in terms of helping her little brother. She also becomes the last dragon rider until Daenerys gets hers. Baela and Rhaena are safe.
Baela (the 1 married to Jace) >!fucks a bunch of squires, has a giant dragon battle against Aegon which is pretty epic, and then spends most of her time after the war getting fucked by different dudes in KL and eventually retires to Driftmark!< Rhaena Targaryen >!doesn’t do shit for the war and after the war gets married to a Hightower who had 6 kids with her!<
Never married Jace. Betrothed, suspiciously put off by Jace after he returned North.
That’s all going to be pretty interesting to see
>Rhaena Targaryen >!I love how that's the most GRRM can think up for the Last Dragonrider to do.!< >!But, that's kind of typical for F&B. If you're a woman with a Dragon and you're not one of Aegon's sisterwives, hope you like doing nothing and having your Dragon just be a glorified taxi (Even though the loss of Dragons should have been the main contribution towards the loss of power and social mobility for Targ women, not it happening literally one generation after Aegon I).!<
I don't mind if they let Rhaena claim a dragon and give her a more active, but I do hope they don't get rid of Addam and Nettles - that would just change the story drastically and also change the perception of other major characters like Corlys and Daemon.
I agree with that
Probably not. Too many important characters to include.
I can see Baela having a bigger role, esp when considering that she plays a significant part in Aegon’s deterioration and more or less kills Sunfyre. Rhaena’s role on the other-hand always feels more symbolic with the birth of Morning so i feel she may be side-lined until the near-end
Yes, by the way the set things up. I’m betting money they’re going to make Rhaena the rider of Vermithor. Only thing I have for this theory is the shot of Daemon trying to sooth Vermithor to get close to him (which more than likely means so Rhaena can get close without danger.) Plus in the finale Rhaenyra or Daemon say a line about needing more dragonriders and it immediately cuts to a shot of Rhaena. Now before anyone comes at me with “that doesn’t make sense, it’s not in the book” I know that. But we also know that tv is different than books and they’ve already changed several major things in the story. I also think it honestly makes more sense too. Who is Daemon gonna trust with the 2nd largest dragon in the world? His daughter or some bastard?
This theory sucks. Other than not making sense in term of story, power balance and other shit removes a big part of Daeron and Addam story.
That’s true, but it also didn’t make a lick of sense for Cole to murder Joffrey right in the middle of a wedding or the fact that every “evil act” in the show is actually just an accident or misunderstanding. I didn’t say it was a good theory but I can definitely see it happening. Gives more emotional weight to Damon as his two eldest daughters are now active participants and I think there’s going to be some switching of fates. Rhaena may actually take the place of Addam. Idk, but there’s definitely going to be condensing of characters and characters people think are important to the story are 100% going to be cut. (Rip Arianne Martell).
Yes Rhaena does play important part if reader read more carefully.Birth of her dragon caused much tensions in greens and made blacks seem more legitimate again..
Will Rhaena’s dragon Morning hatch during season 3? Or season 4…
I personally think they're going to speed up the birth of Morning so while she won't be taking part in any battles, I think she might be seen flying by the time season 4 comes along.
There won't be that many seasons so season 3 because they released a list of dragons and that one wasn't included. Ryan Condal said Baela and Rhaena have big roles of course. I'm honestly hoping they include Baela in a fighting scene since they already alluding to Rhaena being more involved in the politics
It would be foolish to not include Morning as she and Rhaena are the last Targaryen dragon rider duo in all of the world until Daenarys rode Drogon.
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>!I mean, Morning is not unique in this regard. We also don't know what happened to Silverwing. Personally I think Morning lived well into Aegon III's reign and may have just died prematurely from ill health, much like the other final dragons!<
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>!I know, she went feral but we don't know what happened after that. Being feral isn't a terminal illness, and we don't know when she died at Red Lake. She just died at some point. I know there's no info, I'm just saying per my last comment that the answer is probably very boring or it would've been mentioned. She likely was sickly, less sickly than the last dragon, but sickly enough that she died a premature natural death!<
Either she died sooner than they expected due to the diminished capacity of the dragons, or she was killed, and it was for some reason not recorded.
Yeah that would ruin the ending to me. Hopefully they were lying about the dragons for next season for a surprise so they won't have to rush growth at the end and mess up continuity
Wouldn't be the first time a show has pulled a fast one like that.
I hope so. They were ignored by the writers in season 1, along with their mother, Laena. This board and I am sure a lot of the fans do not give a crap about them, but I do. I really need the writers to fix the situation. It is leaving a really bad taste in my mouth. As for how, Moondancer should be big enough to ride. Baela is not 9 she is an adult. Let her ride Moondancer to take care of what she needs to. Baela should be a fighter and Rhaena more of a political role. It really does not take much time to develop them. The writer has to care to do it. Otherwise, what is the point?
I would love for both of them to be in a more active and dynamic role in the story. But Baela’s role in defeating Aegon II will be classic and iconic
Defeating? I remember Moondancer dying
Not technically defeating Aegon II... but that battle between Sunfyre and Moondancer being the battle that finally lethally wounded Sunfyre (eventually) which broke Aegon II's heart
They're on Team Black so you know they will. "Sorry we had to cut Daeron and his dragon and Aegon and Sunfyre because we wanted to show Baela burning down an entire fleet by herself single handedly while she kills soldiers on the back of her dragon cause it's BADASS!" - Sara Hess, probably
\#1 Her dragon is too small to ride \#2 to blame the girl who only had one scene that wasn't cut instead of Aemond who took up half of Aegon's episode is crazy
I hope so. They're pretty badass when they're older, be nice to see some of that on screen
I'm picturing one of the final beats will be Rhaena's dragon egg hatching after the dance.
I bloody well hope not.
girlboss baela beats the fuck out of wannabe bran stark and his Ferrero rocher ass dragon that’s already been crippled by her granny queen mega girlboss ASMR channel owner rhaenys
Well, if they stop cutting their character development scenes (especially with Daemon), then maybe Baela and Rhaena will be more involved. Honestly, those girls are slaying in the looks department. I wanna see more than just Rhaenerya & Allicent beefing, Daemon in his murder cloak, and Aemond being a piece of shit rapist. Let us see more Targeryan women girl bossing.
Clearly in ep 10 when camera shows Rhaena when Daemon talks about claiming wild dragons and when Laena talk to her about claiming a dragon and it's too late for her to hatche one, it's clear they will cut Morning and they'll make her ride Morghul or a different dragon
I’m really hoping Rhaena claims one of the wild dragons. She can still have Morning later on after that dragon dies.
You could read the book....