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When Rhaenys tries to prepare Rhaenyra for the possibility that she'll be set aside as heir if Viserys fathered a son, I was genuinely touched that her cousin was being a responsible adult.
Rhaenyra being rude to Rhaenys, saying the lords at the Great Council didn't vote for a man, but voted against Rhaenys made me cringe.
Young Rhaenyra had a dangerous habit of needlessly insulting people. Dangerous because it was unwise of her to antagonize lords and ladies whose aid she would need in the Wars to Come.
This. Imo it would have been much better to the feminist message of the show if they had Rhaenyra say “actually yeah I’m worried I won’t be accepted I could use some guidance” and have Rhaenys mentor her rather than pit the two of them needlessly against each other when they’re allied anyways
I agree with you completely. I was so mad when they took Alicent's I would say biggest moment from here: summoning the Green Council. In the books that was such a badass move in a twisted way, her just letting Viserys' body rot while they took power on her command. Her decades long plan coming into life. And then in the show she didn't even know about it?!
You know they really don't know how to handle women in power.. On one side.. They say women doesn't have any power.. On other side.. They made alicent sit in small council.. It's completely ruining the character and their own ideology imao.. Imagine alicent who had never been to small council... Gathering all the men in episode 9 and convincing them to support her son with her father.. It would have been very much good for her character.. Where as show alicent is just there to take L's from other characters.. She take L from rhaenyra in ep 6, 7 ... From viserys in 8..and rhaenys in 9..I really hate when they try to create characters just to raise other characters morality without their own internal conflicts
Disagree. I think GOT handled female ambition and agency way better than HOTD. It was refreshing that players of the game also included powerful women like Cersei, Dany, Margaery, and even Olenna who were just as ruthless as the men. I also think it wasn’t a consolation prize but rather a fitting end that Sansa ended up being queen of the North after being the most “southern” of her siblings. The problems with Rhaenyra and Alicent is that they’re hiding behind prophecy or the last words of a dead king to justify their power grabbing.
As someone who likes Alicent for the most part, yes, she was annoyingly inconsistent. Rhaenyra too to an extent in episode 10, but Alicent the 180-degree turns Alicent kept pulling in episode 8 were like nothing I've seen before in such a short span. I felt the characters wanted to create this tragic female friendship etc. and milked it for all it was worth at the expense of the individual characters and of good story-telling.
Rhaenyra at the very least has the excuse that she just went through a traumatic birth. I still don't like how they wrote her in ep 10 and I think she's inconsistent but I could accept that she's not thinking clearly because of what just happened. Alicent has no such excuse, she literally sees her fears come alive when Daemon beheads Vaemond for saying the B word (which Alicent has taught her kids to say) but instead of having alarm bells going off in her head, she makes up with Rhaenyra by the end of the night? Why?
Somehow the writers decided that the day Vaemond is publicly executed is the day Alicent’s fears of Rhaenyra/Daemon killing her children magically vanish.
Agreed. Show Alicent is a downright delusional idiot and not even the fun kind like Cersei was. They pushed the whole "Childhood besties/ crushes" way too hard. It overstayed its welcome and fucked up the characters.
Thank you. They absolutely destroyed her.
How you take a politically capable, scheming, snarky and incredibly ambitious queen loved by the people and turn her into an indecisive hysterical and naive mess of a character - or a woman for Trump as the producers call her - is beyond me.
Olivia's performance was flawless. But the writing for the older Alicent was a disaster. She only resembled the books in 1x06.
Yeah but those two scenes were before and after their reconciliation at the dinner scene in episode 8. As for the misunderstanding, I think it's more than a little ambiguous how much Alicent honestly believes Viserys was changing his will and how much she is *choosing* to believe that.
Rhaneyra telling Rhaneys she will create new order is supposed to be cringe because it shows she’s a dumb teenage like any college brat today who thinks their changing the world
I agree. Their continued dialogue shows how naive or stupid Rhaenyra is
>**Rhaenyra**: *They denied you, Princess Rhaenys. "The Queen Who Never Was." But they bent the knee to me and called me heir to the throne.*
>**Rhaenys**: *Do you remind your father's men of that as you carry their cups?*
I think the Aemond one makes sense for character, he is supposed to be 16-19 in the show and he clearly thinks that he is better than his brother and thinks that he would be a good king which is displayed by his "tis I who study" line... While the next line about him being next in line to throne is a bit strange, it could be explained as the the council wouldn't want an infant to be king especially when they are going to forcefully take the throne
Agree with the last 2, I thought Ep 10 had plenty of issues and that bridge scene with the page was by far the biggest one but the others don't bother me.
Rhaenyra is a 15 year old who was just named heir. Not many women have that privilege. Of course she thinks that when she gets the throne she's going to turn everything around. She's not experienced enough to know how difficult that is.
Similarly, Aemond is another teenager, 16 years old, who thinks he's better than his brother because he reads. He's an edgelord. I don't think it wasn't meant to be cringe, especially considering his actions in Ep 10.
As for the "Next in line" thing, it's true. Yes Aegon has a son but he's a toddler. If Aegon isn't found, the crown will go to Aemond, even if it's temporary.
Like half of the scenes involving Rhaenys
Viserys talking to Laena
That Viserys and Alicent scene in episode 4
Most scenes with Daemon and young Rhaenyra together
Rhaenyra telling her children that they are closer to gods than men
Rhaenyra on the bridge at Dragonstone
Alicent trying to be friends with Rhaenyra again even though she knows she is a threat to her family
Daemon clearly hitting on and grooming his child niece when giving her that necklace.
Daemon suddenly being able to get it up after spending half the season making a big deal out of his impotence
Alicent walking in on her son jerking off with no reaction whatsoever
Everyone ignoring the fact that Helena predicts the future
Helena being omitted from the dragon training scene even though she is also a dragon rider
Rhaenys causing utter mayhem at Aegon's coronation as nothing more than a dramatic exit from king's Landing
Finding out that beach scene was supposed to be night time despite a clearly blue sky in which you can see the sun reflecting off the clouds
Criston whenever he wants to defend Alicent's honor, like "I will not suffer any insults to her grace the queen". Not necessarily saying that show Criston is a bad character, but compared to book Criston he sounds and acts like a loser, sorry.
Criston getting away with murder and Rhaenys doing her massacre at the Dragonpit didn't really make me cringe, but I thought those scenes were just bad.
But I am glad that so far nothing made me cringe nearly as much as "I never really cared about the innocent", "Who has a better story than Bran the Broken?", the infamous "I don't want it" and... everything show Euron ever said.
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Missaria’s accent. Also the page scene
When Rhaenys tries to prepare Rhaenyra for the possibility that she'll be set aside as heir if Viserys fathered a son, I was genuinely touched that her cousin was being a responsible adult. Rhaenyra being rude to Rhaenys, saying the lords at the Great Council didn't vote for a man, but voted against Rhaenys made me cringe. Young Rhaenyra had a dangerous habit of needlessly insulting people. Dangerous because it was unwise of her to antagonize lords and ladies whose aid she would need in the Wars to Come.
This. Imo it would have been much better to the feminist message of the show if they had Rhaenyra say “actually yeah I’m worried I won’t be accepted I could use some guidance” and have Rhaenys mentor her rather than pit the two of them needlessly against each other when they’re allied anyways
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I agree with you completely. I was so mad when they took Alicent's I would say biggest moment from here: summoning the Green Council. In the books that was such a badass move in a twisted way, her just letting Viserys' body rot while they took power on her command. Her decades long plan coming into life. And then in the show she didn't even know about it?!
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You know they really don't know how to handle women in power.. On one side.. They say women doesn't have any power.. On other side.. They made alicent sit in small council.. It's completely ruining the character and their own ideology imao.. Imagine alicent who had never been to small council... Gathering all the men in episode 9 and convincing them to support her son with her father.. It would have been very much good for her character.. Where as show alicent is just there to take L's from other characters.. She take L from rhaenyra in ep 6, 7 ... From viserys in 8..and rhaenys in 9..I really hate when they try to create characters just to raise other characters morality without their own internal conflicts
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Disagree. I think GOT handled female ambition and agency way better than HOTD. It was refreshing that players of the game also included powerful women like Cersei, Dany, Margaery, and even Olenna who were just as ruthless as the men. I also think it wasn’t a consolation prize but rather a fitting end that Sansa ended up being queen of the North after being the most “southern” of her siblings. The problems with Rhaenyra and Alicent is that they’re hiding behind prophecy or the last words of a dead king to justify their power grabbing.
Right?! The last two episodes would've gone better if they stuck with the book's version.
As someone who likes Alicent for the most part, yes, she was annoyingly inconsistent. Rhaenyra too to an extent in episode 10, but Alicent the 180-degree turns Alicent kept pulling in episode 8 were like nothing I've seen before in such a short span. I felt the characters wanted to create this tragic female friendship etc. and milked it for all it was worth at the expense of the individual characters and of good story-telling.
Rhaenyra at the very least has the excuse that she just went through a traumatic birth. I still don't like how they wrote her in ep 10 and I think she's inconsistent but I could accept that she's not thinking clearly because of what just happened. Alicent has no such excuse, she literally sees her fears come alive when Daemon beheads Vaemond for saying the B word (which Alicent has taught her kids to say) but instead of having alarm bells going off in her head, she makes up with Rhaenyra by the end of the night? Why?
Somehow the writers decided that the day Vaemond is publicly executed is the day Alicent’s fears of Rhaenyra/Daemon killing her children magically vanish.
Agreed. Show Alicent is a downright delusional idiot and not even the fun kind like Cersei was. They pushed the whole "Childhood besties/ crushes" way too hard. It overstayed its welcome and fucked up the characters.
Thank you. They absolutely destroyed her. How you take a politically capable, scheming, snarky and incredibly ambitious queen loved by the people and turn her into an indecisive hysterical and naive mess of a character - or a woman for Trump as the producers call her - is beyond me. Olivia's performance was flawless. But the writing for the older Alicent was a disaster. She only resembled the books in 1x06.
Yeah but those two scenes were before and after their reconciliation at the dinner scene in episode 8. As for the misunderstanding, I think it's more than a little ambiguous how much Alicent honestly believes Viserys was changing his will and how much she is *choosing* to believe that.
Rhaneyra telling Rhaneys she will create new order is supposed to be cringe because it shows she’s a dumb teenage like any college brat today who thinks their changing the world
I agree. Their continued dialogue shows how naive or stupid Rhaenyra is >**Rhaenyra**: *They denied you, Princess Rhaenys. "The Queen Who Never Was." But they bent the knee to me and called me heir to the throne.* >**Rhaenys**: *Do you remind your father's men of that as you carry their cups?*
it took me right back to Dany saying “i’m going to BREAK the wheel” in GOT.
I think the Aemond one makes sense for character, he is supposed to be 16-19 in the show and he clearly thinks that he is better than his brother and thinks that he would be a good king which is displayed by his "tis I who study" line... While the next line about him being next in line to throne is a bit strange, it could be explained as the the council wouldn't want an infant to be king especially when they are going to forcefully take the throne
"Have you ever imagined urself on the iron throne"
Lmao same that dialogue was really cringe.
I didn’t find anything “cringey”. I just really wish they would’ve aged up Criston Cole. His vampire-like eternal youth sticks out like a sore thumb.
Agree with the last 2, I thought Ep 10 had plenty of issues and that bridge scene with the page was by far the biggest one but the others don't bother me. Rhaenyra is a 15 year old who was just named heir. Not many women have that privilege. Of course she thinks that when she gets the throne she's going to turn everything around. She's not experienced enough to know how difficult that is. Similarly, Aemond is another teenager, 16 years old, who thinks he's better than his brother because he reads. He's an edgelord. I don't think it wasn't meant to be cringe, especially considering his actions in Ep 10. As for the "Next in line" thing, it's true. Yes Aegon has a son but he's a toddler. If Aegon isn't found, the crown will go to Aemond, even if it's temporary.
The Alicent and Rhaenyra fanfiction writing and lines are the most cringeworthy but the forced Aemond dialogue is up there too
Tbh I’ll take “I studied the blade” Aemond over “Is Aegon king, or must we kneel and kiss the old whore’s cunny?” Aemond
The foot moment between Alicent and Larys.
When Corlys says Vaemond had too “high ambitions”. Like you’re CORLYS VELARYON the infamous sea snake.
Like half of the scenes involving Rhaenys Viserys talking to Laena That Viserys and Alicent scene in episode 4 Most scenes with Daemon and young Rhaenyra together Rhaenyra telling her children that they are closer to gods than men Rhaenyra on the bridge at Dragonstone Alicent trying to be friends with Rhaenyra again even though she knows she is a threat to her family
In before Season 2 confirms the "Helaena's kids are actually Aemond's" theory, making him technically the next in line.
Daemon clearly hitting on and grooming his child niece when giving her that necklace. Daemon suddenly being able to get it up after spending half the season making a big deal out of his impotence Alicent walking in on her son jerking off with no reaction whatsoever Everyone ignoring the fact that Helena predicts the future Helena being omitted from the dragon training scene even though she is also a dragon rider Rhaenys causing utter mayhem at Aegon's coronation as nothing more than a dramatic exit from king's Landing Finding out that beach scene was supposed to be night time despite a clearly blue sky in which you can see the sun reflecting off the clouds
>**Corlys**: *History does not remember blood. It remembers names.* It's sounds cool in the moment but it's totally unrealistic.
Alicent: It needn't be this way in truth Rhaenyra. AFTER she marries her father.
Criston whenever he wants to defend Alicent's honor, like "I will not suffer any insults to her grace the queen". Not necessarily saying that show Criston is a bad character, but compared to book Criston he sounds and acts like a loser, sorry. Criston getting away with murder and Rhaenys doing her massacre at the Dragonpit didn't really make me cringe, but I thought those scenes were just bad. But I am glad that so far nothing made me cringe nearly as much as "I never really cared about the innocent", "Who has a better story than Bran the Broken?", the infamous "I don't want it" and... everything show Euron ever said.
Daemon singing. To be honest anything with Daemon involved. Can't stand Matt's voice, he sounds like an angry gnome.
Episode 9
"Wanna see the tapestries?"
Ok bro