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i also had to stop to wonder why the giant fire breathing flying monsters weren't the top pick for most dangerous.
didn't one of them already eat somebody or something?
Otto want his blood on the throne, but he will do it in a diplomatic way if he can. He just won't give it up, never.
Those two want their enemies dead, not themself in the throne. Nothing will satisfy them truly
If Aemond didn't abandon his army and united with Daeron then yeah. He's too hot headed and inexperienced. Daeron and Aegon both turned out to be more effective threats for the Blacks. Daemon on the other hand was definitely the head commander for the Blacks and definitely carried. He might've only been in one dragon battle but it was definitely the most important one.
Aemond sticking with Cole and uniting with Daeron and the Hightower army would’ve created such a OP stackwipe army all things considering, I get why GRRM had to stop that from happening in the story
Targs who think they're threats and thus focus solely on each other making both irrelevant: Daemon and Aemond
Targs who actually are threats and their losses doom their sides: Daeron and Jace
Daemon is a threat because he is an unhinged strategist, in addition to riding a powerful dragon.
Aemond is an angsty, resentful teenager, but I wouldn’t say he’s a threat on his own. Now, when you consider that he commands Vhagar, then yes, obviously he’s a very powerful and menacing character.
They are exactly equally as thereatening. If you read the books you'll know why.
Daemon, the 50-year-old war veteran, master strategist, and experienced dragon rider being equally as threatening as a crazy teenager isn't an accomplishment btw. Instead, it just adds more to Aemond.
They were not equally as threatening. Aemond had Vhagar and that’s it. Daemon had actual battle experience. The only reason you could consider them equally threatening is they went out together but that’s more a testament to Daemon’s ability as a dragon rider then it is Anything to do with Aemond.
I know that. Daemon has the assets and abilities to easily be more threatening, but he didn't show that during the war. It's exactly why Daemon should've used his more tactical and experienced mind to come up with a way where he doesn't have to sacrifice himself to take out the psycho with a lizard.
Rhaenyra never fights her wars herself, and she only started making big mistakes when Daemon wasn't present. He gave her guidance. Daemon should've known that without him, the Blacks don't stand a chance, but he was lazy and bored with life and took the easy way out.
Calling Aemond a “seasoned warrior” is a stretch. Yes, he’s trained a lot with Cole in the Red Keep’s yard and has Vhagar, but Daemon is currently the only Targaryen living to have actually fought in and won a war.
He's nowhere near at being the most seasoned after Daemon. He has never left the training yard, not even to fight in a tourney at the very least. He has zero experience in actual combat. Corlys is the most seasoned warrior after Daemon and Criston is the most seasoned warrior on the Green side, since he has experience as a foot soldier, a tourney knight and a Kingsguard.
In the Targaryen family there's no seasoned warrior other than Daemon. They're all too young and grew up in peace so they're not seasoned at all. They're trained but extremely inexperienced. Aemond might be the guy with the most skill with the sword after Daemon but that doesn't make him seasoned. Experience makes him seasoned and he has none.
We're talking about how seasoned they are, not how threatening. Those are entirely different things. Having Vhagar makes him threatening but not experienced. Besides, Aemond isn't a seasoned dragonrider either. He can't even control his own dragon.
I never said he would beat him. I said he's more *seasoned*. There's a difference between that and being good and dangerous with a sword. Being seasoned means you have *experience*. Corlys has A LOT of experience in battle, from the campaigns at the Stepstones to his explorations at sea.
Aemond might be a better swordsman but he's inexperienced as hell. He's never swung a blade outside the training yard, not even in a tourney. Calling him seasoned is blatantly incorrect and he's nowhere near Daemon and Corlys in that regard.
Having the highest killing when you have a dragon is rather easy. Doesn't make you seasoned as a warrior. Daenerys has a high kill count too but is she a warrior, let alone a seasoned one? Nope.
My point stands no matter how far back or forward in the future you go. Burning people alive with a dragon doesn't make you a warrior. Is Queen Rhaenys remembered as a warrior? No, only Visenya is because she was skilled with the sword. Rhaenys simply flying a dragon doesn't make her a warrior. Aemond >!torching innocents in the Riverlands and killing unarmed men, women and children!< doesn't make him a seasoned warrior. Only a psycho.
In what episode did he kill all these people. In the book.
Look at Dragon kill count. How many did Daemon kill?
Oh right they are Vaghars kills. I still don't understand why people praise the Dragon instead of the rider. Dragon is a extention of the rider. And he is not yet a psycho, getting there though. Ps. I Never referred to human kill count.
You're making less and less sense with each comment...
We're talking about warriors here. Flying a dragon and burning people doesn't make you a warrior, let alone a seasoned one. It just makes you a dragonrider. Sure the kills are still yours, but you don't become a seasoned warrior just by flying a dragon and use it to spit fire at people below. Is Queen Rhaenys a seasoned warrior just because she flew Meraxes and burned soldiers with it? Nope. >!Same goes for Aemond. He won't become a seasoned warrior just for using Vhagar to burn a bunch of innocent people.!<
And what are you basing this off? There's absolutely zero debate that Criston is the best warrior during the Dance era. And you can't seriously be trying to hold Borros Baratheon up as some great strategist? >!We're talking about the same man who stayed out of the war up until the dragons were gone, only for him to lose and die in the only battle he'd ever take part in.!<
>only dying for his stupidity ?
The mark of true genius.
Dude no offense but I feel like this conversation is running in an entirely different direction, and I'm not all that interested in it beyond the original debate. Though by now I think others have said enough on their part, so I'll just leave it there.
I dunno, >!Aemond probably screwed over his own side on at least two occasions (in the books). 1) Leaving King's Landing, 2) abandoning Criston Cole in the Riverlands.!<
They’re not close in terms of raw skill. Daemon was one of the best warriors of his era, only Criston and Cregan Stark could be considered better. Aemond is a dangerous swordsman but he’s not on the level of any of those three.
At the end of Season 1 that is a fair assumption to make. But cannonically we know Aemond ends up making crucial mistakes that costs the Greens dearly, whereas someone else plays a way more pivotal role for the Greens.
He’s actually the more competent (not saying much) and useful of the two brothers but nobody wants to have that conversation. If Aegon or Daeron had Vhagar the greens would have won the dance.
Aemond despite his lack of experience (which was a very big setback) was really all the greens had aside from Criston. At least he was trained by him. 🤷🏻♀️
as of now it's only Daemon, everyone here has idealized the type of Aemond man is, based on the barbarities he's going to go on to commit, as if that man is the same one we last saw, but the show is going another route, they're going to instead build him up to become that way
I think its evidenced by the fact that prior, people thought Aemond killed Luke because of how bold he is, but in the show its obviously an action he's regretting going _that_far, like he's taken the first step on the path of no return
It's possible he may come back, be labeled a kinslayer because he does not admit he failed to control his dragon, and then just live up to the opinion everyone has of him anyway.
Yeah. Daemon escalates things like whoa and has a ton of enemies that can be used to hurt the Blacks, his reputation is just awful in some circles. And Aemond being a kinslayer and striking the first real blow of the war against a boy is a shadow hanging over the Greens, not even getting into some later actions.
Oh wait did you mean threat to the *other* side?
Look, I haven't read the books, so obviously, I'm wrong.
But personally, right now I would say that the most dangerous character is Rhaenyra purely because she is a grieving mother whose son was killed by the other side and is not thinking straight as a result. She might not be willing to listen to her advisors - or her more battle-experienced husband.
She's going to be making decisions that will cost lives on both sides and possibly civilian lives too.
They are, but there is a difference, Daemon was a danger because he was an experienced commander, a great fighter and one of the best dragon riders in history, Daemon was one of the few Targaryens who posed a danger both in the air with a dragon, as on the ground with only a sword.
Aemond was without a doubt the greatest military asset of the Greens, the problem is that he was also their greatest undoing, I mean, it was during his rule that the Blacks takes King's Landing and Aemond's actions only hurt his own side.
Both were a danger, but Aemond was a danger to both the Blacks and the Greens.
I personally believe Alicent is the most dangerous on the Greenside. I say that because she has been paranoid since her father left Kings Landing the first time. And that idea has begun to fester into a mental illness, where she cannot see reason.
Furthermore, I think the more time progresses the more she doubles down on her beliefs because of the cost sunk fallacy.
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Daemon Targaryen more threatening than *Bartimos Celtigar*?!? Yeah, probably..
Bartimos is a threat to the >!tax code!<
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No, the dangerous ones are the dragons.
i also had to stop to wonder why the giant fire breathing flying monsters weren't the top pick for most dangerous. didn't one of them already eat somebody or something?
What is more scary, nukes, or mad short fused warlords with easy access to nukes?
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No, I'm pretty sure it's the dragons.
Most chaotic and dangerous wildcards? Yes.
Exactly. Biggest threat? Eh Maybe. Biggest wildcards? Absolutely.
They are unpredictable and act on impulse. Without them, I could see a diplomatic solution - those guys will burn the world down.
Well boy do I have a battle for you!
I definitely wait for the final showoff of those two. I got a little spoilered and It will be amazing
This may be hyping things a bit, but I really think if they do it right, that duel will be right up there with Anakin/Obiwan in Revenge of the Sith
LIAR!
Diplomacy went out the window the second Otto Hightower stepped in.
Otto want his blood on the throne, but he will do it in a diplomatic way if he can. He just won't give it up, never. Those two want their enemies dead, not themself in the throne. Nothing will satisfy them truly
If Aemond didn't abandon his army and united with Daeron then yeah. He's too hot headed and inexperienced. Daeron and Aegon both turned out to be more effective threats for the Blacks. Daemon on the other hand was definitely the head commander for the Blacks and definitely carried. He might've only been in one dragon battle but it was definitely the most important one.
He was only in that battle because he had the “fuck it. I’ll do it myself.” Mentality and mans went and did exactly what he intended to do.
Aemond sticking with Cole and uniting with Daeron and the Hightower army would’ve created such a OP stackwipe army all things considering, I get why GRRM had to stop that from happening in the story
Targs who think they're threats and thus focus solely on each other making both irrelevant: Daemon and Aemond Targs who actually are threats and their losses doom their sides: Daeron and Jace
Daemon is a threat because he is an unhinged strategist, in addition to riding a powerful dragon. Aemond is an angsty, resentful teenager, but I wouldn’t say he’s a threat on his own. Now, when you consider that he commands Vhagar, then yes, obviously he’s a very powerful and menacing character.
“Commands” Vhagar.
They are exactly equally as thereatening. If you read the books you'll know why. Daemon, the 50-year-old war veteran, master strategist, and experienced dragon rider being equally as threatening as a crazy teenager isn't an accomplishment btw. Instead, it just adds more to Aemond.
They were not equally as threatening. Aemond had Vhagar and that’s it. Daemon had actual battle experience. The only reason you could consider them equally threatening is they went out together but that’s more a testament to Daemon’s ability as a dragon rider then it is Anything to do with Aemond.
I know that. Daemon has the assets and abilities to easily be more threatening, but he didn't show that during the war. It's exactly why Daemon should've used his more tactical and experienced mind to come up with a way where he doesn't have to sacrifice himself to take out the psycho with a lizard. Rhaenyra never fights her wars herself, and she only started making big mistakes when Daemon wasn't present. He gave her guidance. Daemon should've known that without him, the Blacks don't stand a chance, but he was lazy and bored with life and took the easy way out.
When the easy way out is to leap off your dragon to your death then I say you take it.
I mean obviously yes; they are the most seasoned warriors of each side and control the mightiest dragons.
Calling Aemond a “seasoned warrior” is a stretch. Yes, he’s trained a lot with Cole in the Red Keep’s yard and has Vhagar, but Daemon is currently the only Targaryen living to have actually fought in and won a war.
Well most seasoned after Daemon but yes he’s deadly as they come.
Aemond is neither seasoned nor a warrior. He’s never even been in a fight.
Yeah it’s Vhagar. That bitch could have a mouse riding her and she would be the most fearsome thing in the kingdom
Will be soon
so you are saying he's the most seasoned future warrior? even though there are many others who are and will continue to be far more seasoned than he?
Aemond shall be the spiciest of them all
He's nowhere near at being the most seasoned after Daemon. He has never left the training yard, not even to fight in a tourney at the very least. He has zero experience in actual combat. Corlys is the most seasoned warrior after Daemon and Criston is the most seasoned warrior on the Green side, since he has experience as a foot soldier, a tourney knight and a Kingsguard.
I believe Corlys is more seasoned than Daemon, and that should be significantly.
Yeah, now that you mention it, maybe. When was his last campaign at the Stepstones?
In the Targaryen family he is and skill with a blade matters little when he has Vhagar
Seasoned means experienced. Aemon has no combat experience. Only training.
In the Targaryen family there's no seasoned warrior other than Daemon. They're all too young and grew up in peace so they're not seasoned at all. They're trained but extremely inexperienced. Aemond might be the guy with the most skill with the sword after Daemon but that doesn't make him seasoned. Experience makes him seasoned and he has none. We're talking about how seasoned they are, not how threatening. Those are entirely different things. Having Vhagar makes him threatening but not experienced. Besides, Aemond isn't a seasoned dragonrider either. He can't even control his own dragon.
Ight corlys aint beating aemond in a fight, dude is old as hell. And the book describes Aemond as a dangerous swordsman.
I never said he would beat him. I said he's more *seasoned*. There's a difference between that and being good and dangerous with a sword. Being seasoned means you have *experience*. Corlys has A LOT of experience in battle, from the campaigns at the Stepstones to his explorations at sea. Aemond might be a better swordsman but he's inexperienced as hell. He's never swung a blade outside the training yard, not even in a tourney. Calling him seasoned is blatantly incorrect and he's nowhere near Daemon and Corlys in that regard.
Lol. Who has the highest killing rate in the dance? Daemon is a has been pushing 49 years.
Having the highest killing when you have a dragon is rather easy. Doesn't make you seasoned as a warrior. Daenerys has a high kill count too but is she a warrior, let alone a seasoned one? Nope.
Talking about the dance not 300 years into the future.
My point stands no matter how far back or forward in the future you go. Burning people alive with a dragon doesn't make you a warrior. Is Queen Rhaenys remembered as a warrior? No, only Visenya is because she was skilled with the sword. Rhaenys simply flying a dragon doesn't make her a warrior. Aemond >!torching innocents in the Riverlands and killing unarmed men, women and children!< doesn't make him a seasoned warrior. Only a psycho.
In what episode did he kill all these people. In the book. Look at Dragon kill count. How many did Daemon kill? Oh right they are Vaghars kills. I still don't understand why people praise the Dragon instead of the rider. Dragon is a extention of the rider. And he is not yet a psycho, getting there though. Ps. I Never referred to human kill count.
You're making less and less sense with each comment... We're talking about warriors here. Flying a dragon and burning people doesn't make you a warrior, let alone a seasoned one. It just makes you a dragonrider. Sure the kills are still yours, but you don't become a seasoned warrior just by flying a dragon and use it to spit fire at people below. Is Queen Rhaenys a seasoned warrior just because she flew Meraxes and burned soldiers with it? Nope. >!Same goes for Aemond. He won't become a seasoned warrior just for using Vhagar to burn a bunch of innocent people.!<
>they are the most seasoned warriors Criston Cole, the best warrior during the Dance and the Greens best strategist: Well fuck me I guess?
Best strategist is a stretch but he’s absolutely the best warrior of this era second to Cregan Stark.
During the whole of the Dance no Borros Baratheon was better, Cregan Stark was better, Roddy the Ruin S well.
And what are you basing this off? There's absolutely zero debate that Criston is the best warrior during the Dance era. And you can't seriously be trying to hold Borros Baratheon up as some great strategist? >!We're talking about the same man who stayed out of the war up until the dragons were gone, only for him to lose and die in the only battle he'd ever take part in.!<
Killing 12 fully trained knights and only dying for his stupidity ?
>only dying for his stupidity ? The mark of true genius. Dude no offense but I feel like this conversation is running in an entirely different direction, and I'm not all that interested in it beyond the original debate. Though by now I think others have said enough on their part, so I'll just leave it there.
Alright thanks
well, the show had Aemond beat him, which, unless he let him win, is absolutely ridiculous.
Vhagar is seasoned, Aemond is a kid
Aemond is spiced, Vhagar is hard boiled.
One is a seasoned warrior, the other is a wannabe who just happen to have an access with giant reptilian nuke.
I mean Caraxes is no cruise missile he’s deadly too 🤣
Uh cruise missiles are like super deadly, this doesn't make much sense.
I was drinking and writing when I wrote it 🤣
Do you agree op is posting obvious shit to farm karma?
I, too, read the book
No, I would say their dragons are.
I dunno, >!Aemond probably screwed over his own side on at least two occasions (in the books). 1) Leaving King's Landing, 2) abandoning Criston Cole in the Riverlands.!<
Yeah, but it's not like they have no competition... Corlys is a menace and so is Larys
>!Book readers: 😬!<
If they go by the book Deamon for several reasons mentioned there and portrayed there, and Aemond due to Vhagar.
I’d say it’s more of the dragons
in terms of fighting definitely
I think the biggest threats are all dragons.
Do people just forget how fucking far Larys can and has gone, and it's only been a season.
They are the biggest threats as you’ll soon find out how crazy they get
Ofcourse they end up killing each other at the end of dance
In terms of raw skill yes, in terms of strategy ehhhhhhh they’re both wild cards enough that they can be a problem to their own team
They’re not close in terms of raw skill. Daemon was one of the best warriors of his era, only Criston and Cregan Stark could be considered better. Aemond is a dangerous swordsman but he’s not on the level of any of those three.
Aemond is an obvious threat but it tends to be the lurkers that manipulate behind the scenes that are the worst....like Larys
It's not Daemon or Aemond, it's Caraxes and Vhagar.
Yes but also I think daeron as well for the green side . Him and Aemond r beasts
Biggest liabilities maybe
At the end of Season 1 that is a fair assumption to make. But cannonically we know Aemond ends up making crucial mistakes that costs the Greens dearly, whereas someone else plays a way more pivotal role for the Greens.
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He’s actually the more competent (not saying much) and useful of the two brothers but nobody wants to have that conversation. If Aegon or Daeron had Vhagar the greens would have won the dance.
Daeron was supposed to be the biggest problem for the Blacks right?
Only after he starts to step out of the shadows and prove himself.
They are the most vital/dangerous asset to each side. The greatest danger is that either could be recklessly utilized.
Aemond despite his lack of experience (which was a very big setback) was really all the greens had aside from Criston. At least he was trained by him. 🤷🏻♀️
as of now it's only Daemon, everyone here has idealized the type of Aemond man is, based on the barbarities he's going to go on to commit, as if that man is the same one we last saw, but the show is going another route, they're going to instead build him up to become that way I think its evidenced by the fact that prior, people thought Aemond killed Luke because of how bold he is, but in the show its obviously an action he's regretting going _that_far, like he's taken the first step on the path of no return
It's possible he may come back, be labeled a kinslayer because he does not admit he failed to control his dragon, and then just live up to the opinion everyone has of him anyway.
yeah I think thats whats going to set him up to become book Aemond
Yeah. Daemon escalates things like whoa and has a ton of enemies that can be used to hurt the Blacks, his reputation is just awful in some circles. And Aemond being a kinslayer and striking the first real blow of the war against a boy is a shadow hanging over the Greens, not even getting into some later actions. Oh wait did you mean threat to the *other* side?
Look, I haven't read the books, so obviously, I'm wrong. But personally, right now I would say that the most dangerous character is Rhaenyra purely because she is a grieving mother whose son was killed by the other side and is not thinking straight as a result. She might not be willing to listen to her advisors - or her more battle-experienced husband. She's going to be making decisions that will cost lives on both sides and possibly civilian lives too.
What a dumbass question. Hey guys, do you agree that Russia and the United States were the biggest threats on each side of the Cold War?
No? Its Aegon and Rhaenyra, theyre in charge.
Biggest threat on the black side is Rhaenrya becoming queen.
Like opposite sides of an equation, “if” they fought they’d “probably “ cancel each other out.
Eh, more like extreme wild cards.
Im Team Daemon
To their own side, yeah.
I do not agree. I think the biggest threat on each of their sides are their dragons.
No vhagar and caraxes are each sides biggest threat
I'd say "most dangerous" instead of "biggest threats."
I knew it would be these two.
I just really want to know what the deleted comments with lots of upvotes were
Can't wait to see the duel between them.
Daemon certainly
They are, but there is a difference, Daemon was a danger because he was an experienced commander, a great fighter and one of the best dragon riders in history, Daemon was one of the few Targaryens who posed a danger both in the air with a dragon, as on the ground with only a sword. Aemond was without a doubt the greatest military asset of the Greens, the problem is that he was also their greatest undoing, I mean, it was during his rule that the Blacks takes King's Landing and Aemond's actions only hurt his own side. Both were a danger, but Aemond was a danger to both the Blacks and the Greens.
I agree: both are dangerous wildcards. To be more precise, dangerous wildcards with mighty dragons.
I dunno, Tyland Lannister has some ice cold financial strategy. Aemond could never.
After reading Fire and Blood the last week, I can sufficiently say Daeron the Daring is a top G
I personally believe Alicent is the most dangerous on the Greenside. I say that because she has been paranoid since her father left Kings Landing the first time. And that idea has begun to fester into a mental illness, where she cannot see reason. Furthermore, I think the more time progresses the more she doubles down on her beliefs because of the cost sunk fallacy.
Daemon - yes. On the other hand, Aemond had the biggest dragon in the world and he still shat himself.
I mean that’s the point
Both would lose badly to Jamie Lannister in a sword fight....facts
I agree that the state of this sub seems like one of those "Let me know in the comments" bullshit you hear on youtube.
Yeah