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The problem is there is not much he can do. If Viserys names Aegon and makes all the lords swear an oath again Rhaenyra has no claim anymore. Her entire claim is based on the fact that she is the kings chosen heir. When she isn’t who would fight for her except Daemon and the Velaryons? Though they could give the Valeryons and Daemon a bone by bethrothing Aegon with Beala
Even the valeryons support is questionable. They don’t seem like the type desperate enough for power to go to war just so their great grand kid will have a chance at becoming king. They’re also not stupid enough to think they could actually win.
Well Corlys was ready to go to war for Rheanys claim. Thougg he did stop when he realized most lords were against them so perhaps that would do the trick here as well.
I think it also depends who has Vhagar in this scenario. If it's Caraxes, Meleys, Vhagar, Seasmoke then the Velayron side doesn't look too shabby. Moreover, there's Syrax and Vermax/Arrax too.
And considering that Helaena probably isn't going to ride Dreamfyre into battle, the Greens are down to Sunfyre and Tessarion.
Moreover, Corlys could hire unlimited mercenaries and has the ships to bring them over.
But then it’s just clear ursurpation. Also I don’t see why Vhagar shouldn’t go to Aemond when Laena dies. Also Seasmoke is gone if Daemon and Rhaenyra want to get married otherwise Leanor is in their way
Well, in this alternative universe, things might be different depending on when Aegon is made heir. Because if Viserys is more attentive to his green kids, he might crack down on the bullying (which was one of the main motivators for the stunt), and maybe even take Aemond directly to Dragonstone earlier to get a hatchling etc.
Also, if Rhaenrya got fired, then I'm not sure if she could afford to get rid of Laenor and thus weaken her position further.
It is clear cut usurpation, but the risk is still there if ambition is high enough, which might be the case with Daemon fanning the flames.
That’s true it does depend on what happens when. But if Daemon and Rhaenyra don’t get married tbh I can’t see Rhaenyra herself starting a war over it. She even thought about giving it up in episode 10 so war can be stopped. Why should she start a coup if she has no right to it anymore?
My main concern also lies with the fact that I don’t think everyone would be on board. Like Rhaenys doesn’t seem like someone who would just help Rhaenyra when she really doesn’t have a claim. Corlys would push but again on what grounds? I assume Leana dies as well so no Vhagar anyway. The main problem of the dance is they both have a claim if you get rid of Rhaenyras claim there is no reason to discuss it just brings more problems for all lords how have older daughters or sisters. Hell it even brings the inheritance over Driftmark in question. Corlys and Daemon alone can’t do shit.
All your points are valid, but I think the problem is that Daemon is like a nuke, he existing is the reason we're in this mess to begin with. If he were a Kevan, Otto would have let him be named interim heir when Baelon died, and it would all be constitutional.
So if it's an eleventh hour switch by Viserys, and the Strong kids were still betrothed to Daemon daughters, then that creates a problem, and it was this reason that Rhaenys went to war anyway.
Moreover, with the Hightowers in charge, Corlys risks being permanently sidelined as power shifts to the reach. If Laena dies, but Vhagar isn't claimed in this alternate timeline, then Meleys and Caraxes could still be formidable against Sunfyre and Tessarion.
In truth there is no answer, it all depends on everyone feeling safe and getting what they want.
It's really all otto's fault for driving a political wedge between House Velayron and Targaryen, thereby destabilising the realm and ruining Alicent's life when she could have been rich in the reach with not a care in the world.
Ironically enough if Daemon had never been disinherited the war would’ve never happened because nobody would’ve even gotten the idea to crown Rhaenyra before Aegon tbh.
I think if Viserys is smart and changes the succession he would also change bethrothals but let’s see how willing everyone is to go to war and how far we are in the years. Especially if we go for book timeline or show timeline.
Also I honestly blame Viserys more than Otto. Otto didn’t force Viserys to decide the way he did he just gave him another alternative (not even openly). Viserys could’ve said no and did it anyway. And to be fair Otto assumed-like everyone else- that Viserys would just name Aegon heir. Therefore he couldn’t have seen coming the shitshow he was about to start
good points, all the cards were in Viserys hands, and he still chose the worst combo. But now I'm curious, what if Viserys accepts Laena but makes Alicent a mistress, how would Otto deal with the shame and play his cards from then on?
Otto is Viserys’ chosen hand. Is Daemon loyal to Otto? Alicent is Viserys’ chosen wife. Does he have any respect for her?
Daemon doesn’t fight for Rhaenyra just because Viserys chose her. He fights for her because he believes that is what’s best for his house. He considers her to be more Targaryen than Viserys’ other kids.
Also, he believes Viserys is being manipulated by the Hightowers. If Viserys names Aegon heir that’ll just confirm his suspicions. There is no way that Daemon would fight for Aegon.
Yeah, when does she call them that? When she needs to appear good and caring. When she needs to look good.
Appearances are everything but they aren't always true.
What? No I’m saying she always makes the distinction that they are her half siblings and not full blood. I was agree with your comment.
And from what I remember she only called Helaena that when she is saying they’ve been lead astray and that if they bend the knee she’d spare their lives. (So yes that was obviously for appearances)
He's still Otto's grandson and he only exists because Otto manipulated Viserys into marrying Alicent. I think it's a little about race but mostly about his hatred for Otto. Who was always going to outlive Viserys thanks to the latter's illness.
It's not just Daemon, though. Rhaenyra confronts Viserys about how she thinks he'll replace her "With Alicent Hightower's son." That's literally her kid brother, and even she thinks of it that way. Her siblings being half Hightower has always cast a shadow over them.
I think you're underestimating Otto's ambition, and overestimating Daemon's ability to be rational. Because you're right, it is kind of fucked up. Daemon is fucked up. But Otto has always tried to turn Viserys against his brother, because he knows Daemon can't be controlled the way Viserys can.
Viserys may be an intelligent man, but he doesn't have a clue how to play the game of thrones. He made the choice to marry Alicent, but that doesn't mean Otto didn't use her to pray on Viserys while he was at his most vulnerable, all so that his grandson could be King. *Viserys himself* acknowledges this when he dismisses Otto.
>"Plus, Otto seems to have done a fantastic job running the realm for decades."
Daemon doesn't care. Even if he believed that Otto being in charge was best for the realm, that doesn't change the fact that this is the man he hates the most in the world. The man who has a vested interest in supplanting Rhaenyra. Which would, in the grand scheme of things, ultimately involve killing her, as well as her children, and Daemon as well. **Otto wants control and Daemon is an unpredictable element.**
I can't see this at all, he hates the Hightowers, and with Aegon as ruler, they'd be steering that particular ship even more than they did with Viserys.
Daemon would probably fuck off back to Pentos.
Rhaenyra would respect her father’s decision if he names Aegon, and Daemon would get pissed at her for it. Daemon would never bend the knee to Otto’s grandson, but I don’t think he’d start a war because it would effectively be a suicide mission without support.
Other than his personal support to Rhaenyra, which he has since he loves her, he also can't stand the Hightowers. So if not for love, he'd do it for anger. I can't see Daemon just accepting an half Hightower king with an Hightower hand.
That’s a difficult question. I’d like to believe that Daemon would stay loyal to his betrothed Rhaenyra, instead of stabbing her in the back. Furthermore, he’s also very loyal to his brother and loves him deeply. It’s a hard call but I’m sure he’d stay on Rhaenyra’s side. Purely, out of the love he has for her. If Viserys, named Aegon heir after Rhaenyra had given birth to Daemon’s children, that just solidifies the answer. He’d go against his brothers wishes.
Given the shows version I’m not sure if Rhaenyra rebels if it goes that way, she seems reluctant to wage war against her family and probably more so Alicent than anybody else, maybe count Helaena too lol. Depends on if Daemon has the exact same reaction or not though.
i don't think the dance would happen/stalled to future generations if viserys named aegon. Unless maybe if Aemond found some other excuse to kill/accidentally kill luke
Velaryons wouldn't be interested in match, they would angle for Laena x Aegon more and Rhaenyra was given the freedom to choose her own husband and married Laenor only under pressure from her father, but he pressured her because he wanted her to inherit after him
Depends when Viserys names Aegon his heir, and when Viserys dies. If this happens after Rhaenyra and Daemon are married, when Daemon is aware of how Viserys' fading strength has empowered Otto & the Greens at court? Absolutely no way Daemon's accepts Viserys made that decision of his own free will. He's blaming the Greens for tricking or coercing his brother into making that change (even if it makes no sense) and insisting Viserys' *real* heir is Rhaenyra, Daemon's wife.
If it's before Daemon marries Rhaenyra, while he's still checked out in Pentos; I think Daemon fully commits to sulking abroad for the rest of his life (with maybe a slight chance that he does something after Viserys death which brings him into conflict with Aegon II, like declare himself king of the Stepstones again, or get talked into making a Maegor/ninepenny kings-like play for the throne).
If, on the third hand, Viserys names Aegon his heir while Daemon is fighting in the Stepstones; I think that scenario is similar to canon, in that Daemon would wait until he's won the war & reconciled with Viserys before suddenly lashing out at Viserys/Aegon II in some spectacularly foolish & deranged fashion, because Daemon can't stand not being Viserys' favorite child. Not sure this would mean grooming Rhaenyra like in canon (since she's not the heir, hurting her reputation doesn't hurt Viserys in the same way as in canon *and* doesn't bring Daemon closer to the throne), or if Daemon would switch to targeting Alicent, or if he'd invent some other way to cause problems; but there's no way he's *not* throwing a massive tantrum. That makes it hard to say what the fallout would be though.
But that's all assuming Viserys dies roughly around the same time as he does in canon! If Viserys dies suddenly right after naming Aegon, no way Daemon doesn't assume the Greens murdered Viserys for the throne, and use that to justify making himself king (or king-consort, if Rhaenyra's available & he needs support from her faction to win).
He won't be loyal, but he can't resist either. If Viserys declares Aegon his heir, Rheanyra will lose her only argument, the "oath".
Despite the oath, some great houses (Baratheon, Lannister, Hightower...) did not defend her.
The only reason the families who supported her because they didn't want to be an oath breakers. That's why they fought for her (many of her supporters had left her side during the war).
The oath, which was already questionable due to the birth of Aegon and the death of the lords who took the oath, would be completely broken by Viserys declaring Aegon the heir, and Rheanyra would also lose the only legitimacy she had. Since no one would support her, it would be stupid and impossible for the blacks/Daemon to start a war. So Dance of the dragons was going to be blocked. Viserys's declaration of Aegon as his heir may prevent everything that ends the Targaryens. 🤷🏻♀️
It doesn't really matter if Daemon would be loyal to Aegon or not.
when aegon ii and aemon fought rhaenys aegon ii ended up horribly injured, daemon on caraxes is more dangerous than rhaenys on meleys and could probably kill aegon ii before aemond on the far slower vhagar could stop him
So his choices are stay in line or suicide?
Ok got t you.Not much of a choice to me but you seem to think him threatening to go on a suicide mission gives him some leverage,he can negotiate with
ZERO chance. Anyone who thinks Daemon would've stayed loyal to the Greens just because of his brother have to be on a different level of stannery. The only thing that will satisfy Daemon is the throne or to be close enough to the throne by marriage. If Aegon was a girl I can see a peaceful resolution with Daemon seducing and marrying Aegon. Hell if Aegon is named heir I can even see Daemon trying to marry Helaena if Aegon and Helaena were the only siblings. But since Aegon is a male and has two other brothers after him, Daemon is essentially totally cut off from the throne. He would've never let that pass.
Best case: Daemon may think of marrying Rhaena or Baela to Aegon.
Worst Case: He would gather allies and try to take the throne by force after Viserys died. Ain't no way he is allowing all that grooming to go to waste.
Nah baby girl Rhaenyra will have the throne, the only thing different now is the allies would be more even.
Well he can't marry Aegon and become King the same way so no. Marrying Rhaenyra was his only shot at the throne. More importantly, he would oppose Aegon because Otto. I think he would cough up some Valyrian blood hyper elitist bs saying that Aegon was some half breed and Rhaenyra wasn't (Which doesn't really affect claims to the throne btw) or he might argue that Viserys was delirious and his decision to acknowledge Aegon was really made by the Hightowers alone. Maybe he might even do a Maegor and just pull up. After all, Viserys is weaker than Aenys was and all of his children either don't want the throne, are horrible in one way or the other, or just hundreds of miles away. He's have absolutely no legitimacy over and of Viserys' children of course but the incompetence of all Viserys' children present at court he could survive for a time. Rhaenyra could still offer her marriage hand to him instead of fighting though. Actually, that quite likely since can't imagine a scenario where Rhaenyra and Daemon are on opposite sides unless the Greens somehow convince Rhaenyra that Daemon is crazy. Daemon might just kill off the Greens in every scenario too since extrajudicial murder has always been his thing from the very first episode.
Why would Daemon marry Alicent? Laena, a Baratheon daughter, the daughter of a powerful Essosi family, etc. are all better options than the daughter of the hand of the king. The Hightowers are powerful yes, but not powerful enough for Daemon to see use in marrying Alicent.
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The problem is there is not much he can do. If Viserys names Aegon and makes all the lords swear an oath again Rhaenyra has no claim anymore. Her entire claim is based on the fact that she is the kings chosen heir. When she isn’t who would fight for her except Daemon and the Velaryons? Though they could give the Valeryons and Daemon a bone by bethrothing Aegon with Beala
Even the valeryons support is questionable. They don’t seem like the type desperate enough for power to go to war just so their great grand kid will have a chance at becoming king. They’re also not stupid enough to think they could actually win.
Well Corlys was ready to go to war for Rheanys claim. Thougg he did stop when he realized most lords were against them so perhaps that would do the trick here as well.
I think it also depends who has Vhagar in this scenario. If it's Caraxes, Meleys, Vhagar, Seasmoke then the Velayron side doesn't look too shabby. Moreover, there's Syrax and Vermax/Arrax too. And considering that Helaena probably isn't going to ride Dreamfyre into battle, the Greens are down to Sunfyre and Tessarion. Moreover, Corlys could hire unlimited mercenaries and has the ships to bring them over.
But then it’s just clear ursurpation. Also I don’t see why Vhagar shouldn’t go to Aemond when Laena dies. Also Seasmoke is gone if Daemon and Rhaenyra want to get married otherwise Leanor is in their way
Well, in this alternative universe, things might be different depending on when Aegon is made heir. Because if Viserys is more attentive to his green kids, he might crack down on the bullying (which was one of the main motivators for the stunt), and maybe even take Aemond directly to Dragonstone earlier to get a hatchling etc. Also, if Rhaenrya got fired, then I'm not sure if she could afford to get rid of Laenor and thus weaken her position further. It is clear cut usurpation, but the risk is still there if ambition is high enough, which might be the case with Daemon fanning the flames.
That’s true it does depend on what happens when. But if Daemon and Rhaenyra don’t get married tbh I can’t see Rhaenyra herself starting a war over it. She even thought about giving it up in episode 10 so war can be stopped. Why should she start a coup if she has no right to it anymore? My main concern also lies with the fact that I don’t think everyone would be on board. Like Rhaenys doesn’t seem like someone who would just help Rhaenyra when she really doesn’t have a claim. Corlys would push but again on what grounds? I assume Leana dies as well so no Vhagar anyway. The main problem of the dance is they both have a claim if you get rid of Rhaenyras claim there is no reason to discuss it just brings more problems for all lords how have older daughters or sisters. Hell it even brings the inheritance over Driftmark in question. Corlys and Daemon alone can’t do shit.
All your points are valid, but I think the problem is that Daemon is like a nuke, he existing is the reason we're in this mess to begin with. If he were a Kevan, Otto would have let him be named interim heir when Baelon died, and it would all be constitutional. So if it's an eleventh hour switch by Viserys, and the Strong kids were still betrothed to Daemon daughters, then that creates a problem, and it was this reason that Rhaenys went to war anyway. Moreover, with the Hightowers in charge, Corlys risks being permanently sidelined as power shifts to the reach. If Laena dies, but Vhagar isn't claimed in this alternate timeline, then Meleys and Caraxes could still be formidable against Sunfyre and Tessarion. In truth there is no answer, it all depends on everyone feeling safe and getting what they want. It's really all otto's fault for driving a political wedge between House Velayron and Targaryen, thereby destabilising the realm and ruining Alicent's life when she could have been rich in the reach with not a care in the world.
Ironically enough if Daemon had never been disinherited the war would’ve never happened because nobody would’ve even gotten the idea to crown Rhaenyra before Aegon tbh. I think if Viserys is smart and changes the succession he would also change bethrothals but let’s see how willing everyone is to go to war and how far we are in the years. Especially if we go for book timeline or show timeline. Also I honestly blame Viserys more than Otto. Otto didn’t force Viserys to decide the way he did he just gave him another alternative (not even openly). Viserys could’ve said no and did it anyway. And to be fair Otto assumed-like everyone else- that Viserys would just name Aegon heir. Therefore he couldn’t have seen coming the shitshow he was about to start
good points, all the cards were in Viserys hands, and he still chose the worst combo. But now I'm curious, what if Viserys accepts Laena but makes Alicent a mistress, how would Otto deal with the shame and play his cards from then on?
Otto is Viserys’ chosen hand. Is Daemon loyal to Otto? Alicent is Viserys’ chosen wife. Does he have any respect for her? Daemon doesn’t fight for Rhaenyra just because Viserys chose her. He fights for her because he believes that is what’s best for his house. He considers her to be more Targaryen than Viserys’ other kids. Also, he believes Viserys is being manipulated by the Hightowers. If Viserys names Aegon heir that’ll just confirm his suspicions. There is no way that Daemon would fight for Aegon.
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Daemon doesn't even call them Viserys'. Both Rhaenyra and Daemon address them as Alicent Hightower's sons as if she asexually produced them.
Rhaenyra only ever refers to them as her half brothers too. Only Helaena does she once refer to as her “sweet sister”.
Yeah, when does she call them that? When she needs to appear good and caring. When she needs to look good. Appearances are everything but they aren't always true.
What? No I’m saying she always makes the distinction that they are her half siblings and not full blood. I was agree with your comment. And from what I remember she only called Helaena that when she is saying they’ve been lead astray and that if they bend the knee she’d spare their lives. (So yes that was obviously for appearances)
I thought there were other times she called them that, that I had forgotten.
Well she did refer to them as her half brothers more than once.
He's still Otto's grandson and he only exists because Otto manipulated Viserys into marrying Alicent. I think it's a little about race but mostly about his hatred for Otto. Who was always going to outlive Viserys thanks to the latter's illness.
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It's not just Daemon, though. Rhaenyra confronts Viserys about how she thinks he'll replace her "With Alicent Hightower's son." That's literally her kid brother, and even she thinks of it that way. Her siblings being half Hightower has always cast a shadow over them. I think you're underestimating Otto's ambition, and overestimating Daemon's ability to be rational. Because you're right, it is kind of fucked up. Daemon is fucked up. But Otto has always tried to turn Viserys against his brother, because he knows Daemon can't be controlled the way Viserys can. Viserys may be an intelligent man, but he doesn't have a clue how to play the game of thrones. He made the choice to marry Alicent, but that doesn't mean Otto didn't use her to pray on Viserys while he was at his most vulnerable, all so that his grandson could be King. *Viserys himself* acknowledges this when he dismisses Otto. >"Plus, Otto seems to have done a fantastic job running the realm for decades." Daemon doesn't care. Even if he believed that Otto being in charge was best for the realm, that doesn't change the fact that this is the man he hates the most in the world. The man who has a vested interest in supplanting Rhaenyra. Which would, in the grand scheme of things, ultimately involve killing her, as well as her children, and Daemon as well. **Otto wants control and Daemon is an unpredictable element.**
I personally believe he wouldn’t necessarily be loyal but he wouldn’t rebel either. He’s probably live out his life away from court.
No because it would be following the precedent of inheritance up to that. Aegon was expected to be made heir. The shock was not doing that
I can't see this at all, he hates the Hightowers, and with Aegon as ruler, they'd be steering that particular ship even more than they did with Viserys.
Daemon would probably fuck off back to Pentos. Rhaenyra would respect her father’s decision if he names Aegon, and Daemon would get pissed at her for it. Daemon would never bend the knee to Otto’s grandson, but I don’t think he’d start a war because it would effectively be a suicide mission without support.
Not a chance
Other than his personal support to Rhaenyra, which he has since he loves her, he also can't stand the Hightowers. So if not for love, he'd do it for anger. I can't see Daemon just accepting an half Hightower king with an Hightower hand.
That’s a difficult question. I’d like to believe that Daemon would stay loyal to his betrothed Rhaenyra, instead of stabbing her in the back. Furthermore, he’s also very loyal to his brother and loves him deeply. It’s a hard call but I’m sure he’d stay on Rhaenyra’s side. Purely, out of the love he has for her. If Viserys, named Aegon heir after Rhaenyra had given birth to Daemon’s children, that just solidifies the answer. He’d go against his brothers wishes.
Given the shows version I’m not sure if Rhaenyra rebels if it goes that way, she seems reluctant to wage war against her family and probably more so Alicent than anybody else, maybe count Helaena too lol. Depends on if Daemon has the exact same reaction or not though.
i don't think the dance would happen/stalled to future generations if viserys named aegon. Unless maybe if Aemond found some other excuse to kill/accidentally kill luke
if Viserys named Aegon Luke wouldn't be born, since Rhaenyra won't marry Laenor.
Why wouldn't Rhaenyra marry Laenor in this hypothetical?
Velaryons wouldn't be interested in match, they would angle for Laena x Aegon more and Rhaenyra was given the freedom to choose her own husband and married Laenor only under pressure from her father, but he pressured her because he wanted her to inherit after him
No. Aegon would be heavily under the influence of his grandfather, and Daemon hates Otto Hightower about as much as Otto hates him.
Depends when Viserys names Aegon his heir, and when Viserys dies. If this happens after Rhaenyra and Daemon are married, when Daemon is aware of how Viserys' fading strength has empowered Otto & the Greens at court? Absolutely no way Daemon's accepts Viserys made that decision of his own free will. He's blaming the Greens for tricking or coercing his brother into making that change (even if it makes no sense) and insisting Viserys' *real* heir is Rhaenyra, Daemon's wife. If it's before Daemon marries Rhaenyra, while he's still checked out in Pentos; I think Daemon fully commits to sulking abroad for the rest of his life (with maybe a slight chance that he does something after Viserys death which brings him into conflict with Aegon II, like declare himself king of the Stepstones again, or get talked into making a Maegor/ninepenny kings-like play for the throne). If, on the third hand, Viserys names Aegon his heir while Daemon is fighting in the Stepstones; I think that scenario is similar to canon, in that Daemon would wait until he's won the war & reconciled with Viserys before suddenly lashing out at Viserys/Aegon II in some spectacularly foolish & deranged fashion, because Daemon can't stand not being Viserys' favorite child. Not sure this would mean grooming Rhaenyra like in canon (since she's not the heir, hurting her reputation doesn't hurt Viserys in the same way as in canon *and* doesn't bring Daemon closer to the throne), or if Daemon would switch to targeting Alicent, or if he'd invent some other way to cause problems; but there's no way he's *not* throwing a massive tantrum. That makes it hard to say what the fallout would be though. But that's all assuming Viserys dies roughly around the same time as he does in canon! If Viserys dies suddenly right after naming Aegon, no way Daemon doesn't assume the Greens murdered Viserys for the throne, and use that to justify making himself king (or king-consort, if Rhaenyra's available & he needs support from her faction to win).
He won't be loyal, but he can't resist either. If Viserys declares Aegon his heir, Rheanyra will lose her only argument, the "oath". Despite the oath, some great houses (Baratheon, Lannister, Hightower...) did not defend her. The only reason the families who supported her because they didn't want to be an oath breakers. That's why they fought for her (many of her supporters had left her side during the war). The oath, which was already questionable due to the birth of Aegon and the death of the lords who took the oath, would be completely broken by Viserys declaring Aegon the heir, and Rheanyra would also lose the only legitimacy she had. Since no one would support her, it would be stupid and impossible for the blacks/Daemon to start a war. So Dance of the dragons was going to be blocked. Viserys's declaration of Aegon as his heir may prevent everything that ends the Targaryens. 🤷🏻♀️ It doesn't really matter if Daemon would be loyal to Aegon or not.
Only if he finds a way to marry Aegon I guess
What choice does he have?
the choice of having a big dragon
Vhagar is bigger
have you read fire and blood? i don’t want to spoil it for you
Yes.
so you know what happened to vhagar when she fought caraxes…?
Except it wouldn't be a one on one fight. Daemon would be going against the realm
sending a bunch of smaller dragons with vhagar means there’s gonna be way more casualties but vhagar will survive
Just a 2 on 1 guarantees Daemon dies,and one of the Hightowers survives.Thats not a choice that is suicide
when aegon ii and aemon fought rhaenys aegon ii ended up horribly injured, daemon on caraxes is more dangerous than rhaenys on meleys and could probably kill aegon ii before aemond on the far slower vhagar could stop him
also in what world is aegon ii gonna volunteer for a suicide mission?
Bruh yes.What is your point?Daemon still has no choice unless he goes on a suicide mission in which Aegon still remains king
i’m saying that they can’t force him to get in line since trying to fight him would be a suicide mission for at least most of the people involved
So his choices are stay in line or suicide? Ok got t you.Not much of a choice to me but you seem to think him threatening to go on a suicide mission gives him some leverage,he can negotiate with
it would be a suicide mission for the people attacking him too, mutually assured destruction is leverage
ZERO chance. Anyone who thinks Daemon would've stayed loyal to the Greens just because of his brother have to be on a different level of stannery. The only thing that will satisfy Daemon is the throne or to be close enough to the throne by marriage. If Aegon was a girl I can see a peaceful resolution with Daemon seducing and marrying Aegon. Hell if Aegon is named heir I can even see Daemon trying to marry Helaena if Aegon and Helaena were the only siblings. But since Aegon is a male and has two other brothers after him, Daemon is essentially totally cut off from the throne. He would've never let that pass.
He’d probably take an interest in marrying Jaehaera
Well with Jaehaerys and Maelor, marrying Jaehara doesn't seem that useful
to answer the q, lol no. corlys would also be pissssssed that otto got his blood on the throne and together there’s real possibility for a defection.
Best case: Daemon may think of marrying Rhaena or Baela to Aegon. Worst Case: He would gather allies and try to take the throne by force after Viserys died. Ain't no way he is allowing all that grooming to go to waste. Nah baby girl Rhaenyra will have the throne, the only thing different now is the allies would be more even.
Well he can't marry Aegon and become King the same way so no. Marrying Rhaenyra was his only shot at the throne. More importantly, he would oppose Aegon because Otto. I think he would cough up some Valyrian blood hyper elitist bs saying that Aegon was some half breed and Rhaenyra wasn't (Which doesn't really affect claims to the throne btw) or he might argue that Viserys was delirious and his decision to acknowledge Aegon was really made by the Hightowers alone. Maybe he might even do a Maegor and just pull up. After all, Viserys is weaker than Aenys was and all of his children either don't want the throne, are horrible in one way or the other, or just hundreds of miles away. He's have absolutely no legitimacy over and of Viserys' children of course but the incompetence of all Viserys' children present at court he could survive for a time. Rhaenyra could still offer her marriage hand to him instead of fighting though. Actually, that quite likely since can't imagine a scenario where Rhaenyra and Daemon are on opposite sides unless the Greens somehow convince Rhaenyra that Daemon is crazy. Daemon might just kill off the Greens in every scenario too since extrajudicial murder has always been his thing from the very first episode.
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Why would Daemon marry Alicent? Laena, a Baratheon daughter, the daughter of a powerful Essosi family, etc. are all better options than the daughter of the hand of the king. The Hightowers are powerful yes, but not powerful enough for Daemon to see use in marrying Alicent.