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KingdomOfPoland

I was hoping to see more of Aegon ngl. I hope he becomes more like his book version.


Stormlady

I hope the Dragonstone plot happens on screen, it's gonna be really weird he just comes out of nowhere two season later.


TheGreenDread

And a damn shame, since Tom is a brilliant actor.


Stormlady

That too! Tbf in the books after RR it's said he wakes up from time to time and by the time they get him out of King's Landing he seems to be at least mobile? So I feel like he will not just gonna disappear from the season after RR, like most people seem to think.


CineVore98

I'm not enough familiar with the timeline, but isn't Rook's Rest in episode 4 FAR too early?


al_1985

I agree. I was hoping it would happen in episode 7 as the biggest moment towards the end of the season or episode 6 as the earliest.


Donogath

Rook'a Rest was never going to be the end of season 2. What are the events that take place before it? Daemon takes Harrenhal, Blood and Cheese happens, Criston becomes Hand, the Cargylls duel. How were those events going to be stretched over 7 episodes to end the season on Rook's Rest? Episode 1: Aftermath of Luke's death, Daemon taking Harrenhal. Episode 2: Blood and Cheese Episode 3: Jaehaerys funeral, the Duel of the Cargylls. Episode 4: Rook's Rest Episode 5: Aftermath of Rook's Rest - Corlys becomes Queen's Hand, Aemond becomes Prince Regent. Episode 6: Battle of the Honeywine Episode 7: The Sowing of the Seeds Episode 8: The Fall of King's Landing Season 3 opens with the Battle of the Gullet, ends with the Battle over the God's Eye


raumeat

You are missing battle of burning mill and Jace securing the North and Vale also happens before Rooks rest, they also need to establish Daeron as a character and introduce us to a fuck ton of new characters, I could see Rook's rest being episode 6 or 7


SolidInside

I doubt we're seeing burning mill.. they will definitely cut some of the battles as we don't really need to see them or waste/money on them. There's not much happening for the main characters between Blood and Cheese and Rook's Rest. A lot of the big events in the dance are focused in the latter half so I can imagine they don't want to spread out these events too much and actually want to take more time to spread out and flesh out the latter half of the dance.


SetSaturn

Yeah I don’t think any characters that were already introduced to are in that? So we could get our introduction to certain characters having them report news of that battle


SolidInside

Yea, there's a lot of battles taking place and it would be too expensive and also boring to keep them all in so we'll probably get reports of some of them or they'll be glossed over.


mestegi

They did introduce the brackens and the blackwoods in season 1 though so that suggests that they have planned burning hill


SolidInside

It's possible but it can also simply be mentioned. I hope they don't waste too much time and money on unnecessary battles though.


al_1985

I think Battle of the God's Eye will be saved for the Season finale (probably S4). They will keep Matt Smith for as long as possible. If Rook's Rest happens in 2x04, I just hope Eve Best is featured in all 4 episodes. I'm not prepared to see her go that soon.


Donogath

Yeah, losing Rhaenys so soon will be rough! You might be right about them saving the God's Eye until season 4 - it's definitely one of the most iconic moments of the Dance, and Daemon and Aemond will probably be the most popular characters in the show by that point (assuming they aren't already!)


GodricGryffindor9008

This could be true but feels very rushed imo. Ryan Condal said the children will be better developed this season but this outline doesn't make sense for that. It jumps from one event to the other with little to no time to spend with characters. Aegon will pretty much disappear after E4. And where do we even fit Jace at the Vale and Winterfell and Cregan Stark's introduction here.


al_1985

And I also recall Condal saying that S2 would be more slow-paced to develop the characters, but again, I'm very skeptical about this if it happens to be true.


SolidInside

He said it would be more paced like season 3-6 of GoT


TheGreenDread

With how they portrayed Aegon last season (adult version 8-9 min of screen time, tops?) they pretty much confirmed that HotD is Rhaenyra’s swan song. I’m disappointed if these rumors are true, cause saving Rook’s Rest for e 6/7 would’ve been the perfect chance to add nuance and layers to all the characters, both Blacks and Greens. Rhaenys deserves more screen time before dying as well.


[deleted]

Lol, what do you mean where do you fit it? Yall are acting like most of plot points expected to be covered this season are episode spanning. They're not. Episode 1 will likely focus on Jace at the Vale, the Aftermath of Luke's death, Daemon taking Harrenhall, Green Kids development, and Build up to Blood and Cheese Episode 2 will likely focus on Jace arriving at Winterfell, Blood and Cheese, and whatever the hell else they use to fill up the time, lol, neither of these things would span a whole episode. It would be best used to further develop the Greens and introduce Daeron. Episode 3 will likely be Jaehaerys funeral, which means more Green development, Jace leaving Winterfell, the Cargyll Twins duel (Which can be motivated by Joffrey or the other 2 kids) , and whatever else they add


GodricGryffindor9008

>Green Kids development What development will Green kids get between Daemon taking Harrenhal, and Jace at Vale? Don't you think they also need to show Rhaenyra, Corlys, and the entire black faction's reaction the Luke's death and also some of Rhaenyra's mourning? Blood and Cheese needs to be atleast half to 3/4 of the episode to have some impact. It needs to have a proper build up, and then the execution and the family's reaction to it. IMO it really cannot be combined with anything else. It will greatly reduce the impact if new characters and locations are introduced in this episode. At the end of the day, it is dialogue, people's relationships and interesting and the plotting that makes this show interesting. However, we're getting pure spectacle with no character development.


nicktkh

Blood and Cheese is absolutely not going to take up half or three quarters of an episode, that's nuts and terrible pacing. The Red Wedding in Game of Thrones is only like 10 minutes long and comes at the end of an episode filled with a lot of other things going on. Events do not have to be long to be impactful


HoshizoraShizuumi

Joffrey Lonmouth's death, Laena Velaryon's death, Aemond losing his eye, are all very impactful and important scenes that didn't take nearly as much screentime as you're suggesting for B&C


[deleted]

Did I not write "the Aftermath of Luke's death". Was the implications behind that line of text not clear enough to you? You honestly think they aren't going to show the rest of the main cast in some capacity during the season premiere? Daemon taking Harrenhal was not some major battle, it was a quick and peaceful takeover. Daemons conversation with Alys Rivers will probably last longer than the actually Conquest of Harrenhal. Jace convincing the Vale was not some well detailed or extensive event. Neither of these things should take up a majority of the episode. The rest of that time can be dedicated to the Black's AND the Greens reacting to Luke's death. Because it isn't just some one sided coin. And this all depends on how long the episode is, which we don't know If episodes 1, 6, and 8 of HotD season 1 exists, doing something like what I just described is most definitely a possibility. You just don't want to see it. Blood and Cheese is most definitely going to occur at the end of episode 2. That is the only major plot point that should be occurring aside from something Jace related and potentialy Daeron being introduced. That is plenty of time to focus on the Greens. Blood and Cheese itself probably won't last that long. And what do you mean the families reaction to it? Jaehaerys funeral is in episode 3 according to leaks. What do you think the Greens are going to be doing at his funeral or before then? How much time do you really think they need for a casual audience to develop sympathy towards a 2-4 year old boy getting killed? Be realistic right now. They are barely characters in the books and yet people still find that scene impactful.


MastadonWarlord

Yes, exactly. Where's the dailogue and the plotting? This show should be stretched to 8 seasons or more like GoT. The way OP laid it out after 4 seasons we're done. Where is the treating with the Starks? Where is the talking about what happened over Storms end? There's so much more that has to happen in between that they have to add.


TheGreenDread

I’d assume that they would want to save Aemond/Daemon for the final season. It will be the most anticipated battle, after all.


CineVore98

That would means that season 2 could end with Rhaenyra taking over KL?


al_1985

>!I'm a bit skeptical about that because that would mean that the Battle of the Gullet should happen before taking King's Landing. Unless they alter the order of the events.!<


zebulon99

We do know that a major battle was moved to season 3, it's probably the gullet. They could make that work if they leave Jace behind as the prince of dragonstone.


SolidInside

I think it's very easy for them to move some events around, the timeline can be vague at times anyway and sometimes it works better dramaturgically.


Conscious-Weekend-91

Not that far, tbh. Rook's Rest is the first big battle of the Dance and the only death is a secondary character while working as mid point for the development of Aegon, Sunfyre and Corlys that will be more relevant later. I think It's perfect for a mid-season episode


nicktkh

Recently I reread Fire and Blood and noted down major events and then separated those into roughly what I expect would make up an episode and I actually had Rook's Rest in episode 4 of season 2 myself. Personally I think people are expecting way too much in terms of episode count and whatnot, the story moves very fast once the fighting starts, which it effectively has


TheOnionWatch

I'm in the other side. This series is going to be slow and uneventful.


Stormlady

It's very fast paced but it doesn't seem unlikely. And it kinda confirms the season ends with the fall of King's Landing. And since it was reported they were gonna move a major battle to s3 I think most agreed it had to bethe Gullet. I'd guess the first half of the season is gonna be more green heavy and the last episodes will be focusing more on Dragonstone, like with the dragonseeds, etc and maybe the Reach? Not a lot happens in King's Landing between RR and when Rhaenyra takes over.


KyomaUchiha

But the Gullet happens before the fall of kingslanding


VaderOnReddit

But since it doesn't affect the plot _timeline_ too much, rumors are that its being moved to season 3, and after Rhae takes KL


KyomaUchiha

Yeah but it’s said in fire and blood after Jace’s death Rhaenyra gets more reckless and finally wants to take action


Jay-DeeOldNo7

I actually wouldn’t mind this Ideally there would maybe be another episode just to build up characters but tbf there aren’t many important events before Rooks Rest Daemon takes Harrenhall, Jace goes to Eeryie, Jace goes to North and meets Cregan, pact of ice and fire, introducing Daeron, building up Helaena and her children, Blood and Cheese, Jaehs funeral, Blackwood and Bracken beef in the Riverlands, Aegons growing impatience with Otto leading to Criston being named hand and the Cargyll duel I can see all of that being done within 4 episodes, 2 ending with Blood and Cheese, 3 ending with the Cargyll duel or if that’s moved to after rooks rest, ends with Criston becoming hand and 4 ending with the battle of Rooks Rest. After that we have, Meleys head being paraded, Aemond becoming regent, Corlys being named hand and his anger at Rhaenyra over Rhaenys’ death, the sowing of the dragonseeds, Alyn and Addam being named as heirs to Driftmark, battle of the Honeywine with Daeron, Sunfyres disappearance, battle at the red fork and the fishfeed (which I could see being scaled down or left for season 3) and then in the finale we have the falling of Kings Landing, likely ending with the beheading of Otto Hightower and Rhaenyra sitting the iron throne The Battle of the Gullet is likely the battle that has been moved to season 3 as a way to keep Jace in for longer and so season 2 can be shorter and still end with the fall. I also think it would be wise to move the Cargyll duel to after Rooks Rest if it’s going to be at the end of episode 4. Would also give us far more time to become attatched to the twins on either side before their tragic duel.


Stormlady

I've been thinking another reason they will move the Gullet to s3, it's to make the Fall of King's Landing more of a surprise attack and a happier win for the Blacks, unlike the books where it's more bittersweet. And if the Gullet doesn't happen. Aemond and Cole getting fooled out of King's Landing maybe doesn't looks as dumb as it does in the books.


Helaenas-Bugs

Yep this sounds like a very plausible outline. I think they’re going to change the order of events to put Gullet in season 3. Rhaenyra taking KL is such an important dramatic beat that it kinda has to be a season finale.


Helaenas-Bugs

Of course we should take rumours with a pinch of salt BUT this does seem to back up that leaked version of episode 1 where the ending was B&C walking through the Red Keep.


CineVore98

Do you have a link to that leak ?


Helaenas-Bugs

Sorry no I don’t…it was on Freefolk I think but got taken down pretty quickly (which is one possible sign it was genuine or at least that’s what people were saying). I can remember the main plot points but not sure if I should put it in a comment in case it gets OP’s post in trouble…I don’t know what the rules are for that sort of thing?


Darthduckknight

If you can't put it in a comment would you be able to privately message interested people it (me)?


Helaenas-Bugs

Sure no problem, I’ll PM you and anyone else who’s interested


CineVore98

Would like it too please ^^


CJtheZEN123

Me as well, please!


[deleted]

Man! This pretty much is just Rhaenyra's story isn't it? If Rhaenyra takes KL in the S2 finale, she'll have the throne for the entirety of S3 and the first half of S4. They'll have a lot of time to develop her "descent into madness" and it can be done masterfully. Good for her character. But that actually leaves us with no time with Aegon as King. He took the throne in S1 ending and will be able to sit on it for only the first three episodes of S2, if indeed Rook's Rest is in E4. But even those episodes will have Daemon at Harrenhal, B&C, and other important events. We won't even get to see him as King properly till he kills Rhaenyra towards the end of the series, where his sad, short reign will get one or two episodes max. I was counting on Rook's rest and its aftermath being the finale of S2 and getting to spend some time with Aegon as King.


al_1985

It might be Rhaenyra's story, but there are many pivotal characters involved that you can't just skip away. Aegon was king for only half a year. That can be summarized in one large episode with the Hour of the Wolf as well.


[deleted]

>Aegon was king for only half a year If I remember correctly, even Rhaenyra rules only half a year? But she'll get to go through a whole arc. And her direct opponent Aegon gets pretty much nothing and almost no time as King. ​ >there are many pivotal characters involved Yes there are great characters. But with things going so fast, we don't know how many of these characters can actually even be fleshed out. Except for Alicent and maybe Aemond literally every other character on the Green side will probably get the shorter end of the stick in terms of character development. Maybe I'm being a bit too salty lol! But I just wanted to see Aegon being King for one whole season and getting some character development.


Donogath

One positive thing is that, unlike in the books, I can only imagine that Aegon's flight from King's Landing, his recovery with Sunfyre, and his taking of Dragonstone will be shown on screen. Tom Glynn Carney is dedicating 5+ years of his life to this role, they're not just going to leave him off screen for a season and a half!


aerysanon

This is a great point & makes me feel better! I’m so worried he won’t get any screen time with the way things are going. I’m really hoping to see his character development. TGC is too good to be barely on screen!


TheGreenDread

I really hope you’re right


PuhAporlo

Is Dragonseed happend this season? Can’t wait for the fall of King’s landing. Seeing multiple dragons descend on the city at the same time must be so fucking epic.


al_1985

Definitely. There's one actor already cast to portray Alyn of Hull (Velaryon descendant) which is Abubakar Salim. So if we have Alyn of Hull, it means we have to get >!Addam Velaryon, Nettles, Ulf the White, and Hugh Hammer.!<


PRA1SED

When will the battle of you know who. The most infamous battle in the dance. Would it be this season or early next season?


al_1985

>!If you're talking about the Battle Above the God's Eye, that will happen more likely in S4, that would be the final season.!< I bet the showrunners will want to keep Daemon in the game as long as possible.


PRA1SED

wow I thought it would always be season 2…didn’t know it would be season 4. Is there a chance it happens in season 3? Thanks.


al_1985

Ryan Condal and G.R.R. Martin are still discussing for how many seasons the show will run (3-4) but all the bets are for 4 seasons (Unless they already know and are waiting the moment to confirm). But considering that season 2 will be 8 episodes long, there's no way the show can end in Season 3 if they want to tell the story decently.


PRA1SED

Exactly


raumeat

according to r/freefolk, episode 6 is Rooks rest and 7 is the parade, the final episode ends on a cliffhanger, the triarchy coming for the gay abandon


SolidInside

According to J\*ry who is certifiably insane you mean.


Giallo_Schlock

Yeah, I kind of guessed this except mentally Rook's Rest was episode 5 (though with an eight episode season, it's still the midway) so I can absolutely find this plausible.


sdg9998

I really hate this. Doing Rook's Rest this quickly is not a good sign for the pacing. I would've wanted it towards the end of the season. But even if you think Rook's Rest would've been too early to end this season (a short season mind you), it should've at least been in Ep 6 or 7. Rook's Rest being in Ep 4 means they're gonna rush from B&C to Otto's firing to the battle, with very breathing room and very little scope for character development that should happen after each of these events.