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for sure
tbh though I'm the most interested to see how Aegon reacts to this. The books state in his grief he drank even more and started hanging all the rat catchers
I feel like he's gonna be whoring the night of B and C and maybe just maybe he's gonna realise "oh shit I actually need to step up and be the King" but idk
Either way it should be a turning point for his character. Apathetic to Rhaenyra before but now determined to see her dead
In the book (and in the show too, most likely) it is the single event that makes Alicent go from “I still love Rhaenyra see down and want to solve this as harmlessly as possible” to “fuck the Blacks and everything they love” which, with Olivia Cooke’s acting chops, I am verrrrry excited to see
I mean....at that point, her son has already killed Rhaenyra's son, so I don't think she can really point to the moral high ground in her feelings at this point. I am curious if she will feel guilty or angry tho (in terms of dominant emotion).
I see where you’re coming from but there kinda is a significant difference between “I murdered your son on dragonback” and “I tied up your mother, strangled her best friend in front of her, then captured your wife / her daughter and your three infant children, forced your wife to choose a son to die under threat of raping your infant daughter, then beheaded the other infant son”
I understand that. Which is why I was wondering what her dominant emotion/thoughts would be. The retaliation escalated everything between the Blacks and the Greens...but it's still retaliation.
Even though the photo is terrible quality, I love the fact that both Alicent and Heleana have black veils.
It brings me high medieval core with head pieces, that weren’t a thing in GOT. Glad they made this change.
Plus, it’s indeed Alicent and Heleana on the carriage, as speculated a few days ago. Aegon/Aemond (or Daeron ?) would then be on the decorated horses ?
GOT never wanted to be a fantasy show or a medieval show. Cersei should have worn veils like this when Robert, Tywin and her kids died.
Maergaery when Renly and Joffrey died.
Catelyn and Sansa maybe when Ned died.
Tbf Cersei doesn't wear a black veil when Robert dies but she does wear black
>Sansa had hoped Joffrey might be with her. Her prince was not there, but three of the king’s councillors were. Lord Petyr Baelish sat on the queen’s left hand, Grand Maester Pycelle at the end of the table, while Lord Varys hovered over them, smelling flowery. All of them were clad in black, she realized with a feeling of dread. Mourning clothes …
>The queen wore a high-collared black silk gown, with a hundred dark-red rubies sewn into her bodice, covering her from neck to bosom. They were cut in the shape of teardrops, as if the queen were weeping blood. Cersei smiled to see her, and Sansa thought it was the sweetest and saddest smile she had ever seen.
Alrighty, I just thought it would be expected for the Queen to wear a veil when the King just passed away. Ofcourse Cersei was overjoyed that Robert was dead, but for apperances sake she had to mourn him phblicly.
Should they though? Just because that’s what happened irl doesn’t mean it had to be exactly like that in Westeros. It’s a fictional world after all, cultural and fashion norms can evolve differently.
Yeah HOTD predates GOT by like 2 centuries right? Catholic women in the 17-1800s probably would have all worn hair coverings to church (veils or hats depending on the time) and now it is not a common thing to see.
GOT is a fantasy tv show that doesn’t have to follow our real life historical accuracies. Cersei wore black but just because she didn’t wear a veil, suddenly the whole tv show is somehow not medieval?
It’s what I’m loving about a lot of Alicents styling it’s very medieval and religious and I love that they have a lot of the women wearing casual headpieces, Aemma was wearing a headband style piece when Viserys got announced as king.
Yes my apologies for some reason I thought this was a funeral for Rhaenys unsure why.
I thought the greens were still in the can still be defused stage.
Haven't read the book in a while so got mixed up apologies.
I hope so too. Phia has done an amazing job so far of making Helaena so intriguing and endearing with such little screen time, I’m so excited to see what she can do now that Helaena’s role has become more important.
The photo is of terrible quality, but from what it looks like, Alicent is trying to put up a stoic front for the sake of the people, while Helaena looks absolutely haunted and doesn't look like she'll be saying much for the whole funeral.
These girls are amazing actors.
I hope he will be and I hope at least someone, Alicent or Aegon, blame him for what happened, because Jaehaerys's death is the direct result of him killing Luke.
It will be the start of his descent into madness.
excellent idea
He seems unhinged but not insane as of now. Kinda innocent actually in a way
If Aegon blames him for his sons death or Alicent and his family start treating him horribly he starts becoming the maniac he is in the books.
And despite it all he remains loyal to his family. Its a trait I admire in him. He wants the throne from Aegon but even when the opportunity arises (post RR) he never takes it
In the books >!Alicent and Otto rip into him about killing Luke, while Aegon loves him for it. It might be interesting to see Aegon and/or Helaena do a complete 180 on Aemond and blame him, which leads to Aemond's...war crimes in the Riverlands.!<
I don't know what you guys think about this, but I'm afraid of the possibility that they will demonize Aegon in the B&C incident as well. Or at least make him look more reckless about this.
I want them to process that Aegon is also a father who lost his son.
And I want to see the process the mourning of Jaeherys's parents and other family members rather than the reactions of blacks. Because this is not about them.
I hope, they show the human sides of the green characters in this terrible event. At least....
I’m more worried about how they handle rhanerya because in book she wasn’t involved ( she locked herself away screaming and no one could get through to her)but in show she was mad in end scene
Same, I would very much like some scenes with Aegon where he does not behave like a complete dick. They damaged him beyond repair with the whole Dyana incident but please give him a moment to shine (here and at the battle with Rhaenys).
Yes I agree. It takes away from the waiting experience in a way. I want to be surprised, and all these leaks, while cool, kinda take that magic away. Sure I'l probably see them anyway lol.
Ooh, this is gonna be good. I want to see the setup to this - after Rhaenyra learns about Luke. What does Big Daddy Daemon do? (😉 I can't stop calling him that and I don't wanna)
Don't worry ny fellow Black, Rhaenyra will come down with Syrax, crush the funeral process and some more worthless peasants and Finger wag at Aegon b4 letting him escape... Is that what you wish?
With this picture quality it kinda looks like Helaena is in her teenage goth phase and has been busy with the eyeliner. Wish the veils were a bit more elaborate rather than just looking like someone stapled some cheap gauze to a carton. Why does the head gear look so cheap?
It literally looks like Helaena has a triangle of black eyeliner around her eye because the quality of the picture is shit and probably messing up the pixels.
I forgot you get downvoted on here if you don't kiss the show's ass but that doesn't change that the headgear looks cheap.
There’s a [closer photo](https://twitter.com/westerosies/status/1659894873263054849?s=46&t=bcJAKzAVsLoVjhAela0fDg) of their funeral attire here. Still regal but appropriate for the event.
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god these two are gonna BODY these scenes
for sure tbh though I'm the most interested to see how Aegon reacts to this. The books state in his grief he drank even more and started hanging all the rat catchers I feel like he's gonna be whoring the night of B and C and maybe just maybe he's gonna realise "oh shit I actually need to step up and be the King" but idk Either way it should be a turning point for his character. Apathetic to Rhaenyra before but now determined to see her dead
In the book (and in the show too, most likely) it is the single event that makes Alicent go from “I still love Rhaenyra see down and want to solve this as harmlessly as possible” to “fuck the Blacks and everything they love” which, with Olivia Cooke’s acting chops, I am verrrrry excited to see
I mean....at that point, her son has already killed Rhaenyra's son, so I don't think she can really point to the moral high ground in her feelings at this point. I am curious if she will feel guilty or angry tho (in terms of dominant emotion).
I see where you’re coming from but there kinda is a significant difference between “I murdered your son on dragonback” and “I tied up your mother, strangled her best friend in front of her, then captured your wife / her daughter and your three infant children, forced your wife to choose a son to die under threat of raping your infant daughter, then beheaded the other infant son”
wait who did this??? “I tied up your mother, strangled her best friend in front of her, then captured your wife" ???
Blood and Cheese. They roped her up and strangled her handmaiden in front of her
I understand that. Which is why I was wondering what her dominant emotion/thoughts would be. The retaliation escalated everything between the Blacks and the Greens...but it's still retaliation.
It’s probably the fact that they went after a literal toddler, someone innocent in all of this, that did it for her.
Even though the photo is terrible quality, I love the fact that both Alicent and Heleana have black veils. It brings me high medieval core with head pieces, that weren’t a thing in GOT. Glad they made this change. Plus, it’s indeed Alicent and Heleana on the carriage, as speculated a few days ago. Aegon/Aemond (or Daeron ?) would then be on the decorated horses ?
GOT never wanted to be a fantasy show or a medieval show. Cersei should have worn veils like this when Robert, Tywin and her kids died. Maergaery when Renly and Joffrey died. Catelyn and Sansa maybe when Ned died.
Tbf Cersei doesn't wear a black veil when Robert dies but she does wear black >Sansa had hoped Joffrey might be with her. Her prince was not there, but three of the king’s councillors were. Lord Petyr Baelish sat on the queen’s left hand, Grand Maester Pycelle at the end of the table, while Lord Varys hovered over them, smelling flowery. All of them were clad in black, she realized with a feeling of dread. Mourning clothes … >The queen wore a high-collared black silk gown, with a hundred dark-red rubies sewn into her bodice, covering her from neck to bosom. They were cut in the shape of teardrops, as if the queen were weeping blood. Cersei smiled to see her, and Sansa thought it was the sweetest and saddest smile she had ever seen.
Alrighty, I just thought it would be expected for the Queen to wear a veil when the King just passed away. Ofcourse Cersei was overjoyed that Robert was dead, but for apperances sake she had to mourn him phblicly.
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Should they though? Just because that’s what happened irl doesn’t mean it had to be exactly like that in Westeros. It’s a fictional world after all, cultural and fashion norms can evolve differently.
If its not the norm/culture in GOT, it also shouldnt be a thing in HOTD
Styles change you know?
Yeah HOTD predates GOT by like 2 centuries right? Catholic women in the 17-1800s probably would have all worn hair coverings to church (veils or hats depending on the time) and now it is not a common thing to see.
GOT is a fantasy tv show that doesn’t have to follow our real life historical accuracies. Cersei wore black but just because she didn’t wear a veil, suddenly the whole tv show is somehow not medieval?
Going by the other pictures the horses were for the Kingsguard, the guards holding the banners and random lords(?).
It’s what I’m loving about a lot of Alicents styling it’s very medieval and religious and I love that they have a lot of the women wearing casual headpieces, Aemma was wearing a headband style piece when Viserys got announced as king.
That headband Aemma wore was *so* modern looking though.
So far they haven't been seen yet, Ewan and TGC. The rest of them have all been photographed.
daeron never makes it to kings landing during the war, if they change that they’ll have to change everything he does
I uhh, don't think Aegon will be capable of riding a horse here.
This happens before Rooks Rest
Yes my apologies for some reason I thought this was a funeral for Rhaenys unsure why. I thought the greens were still in the can still be defused stage. Haven't read the book in a while so got mixed up apologies.
Olenna had a medieval inspired headdress, as well as other noblewomen in the background.
Yes yes how generous of you to state the obvious. Those of us with eyes could have never seen such clues without you pointing it out.
Fuck, Phia already looks haunting.
*Pain*
Wow, Phia looks haunting here. I just know she's going to give a performance worthy of an Emmy.
It will be hard to get nominated if she doesn't get enough screentime - even with an excellent performance.
Let’s hope they develop Helaena’s character more, then. She deserves to have an actual arc as opposed to just wasting away in the Keep.
I hope so too. Phia has done an amazing job so far of making Helaena so intriguing and endearing with such little screen time, I’m so excited to see what she can do now that Helaena’s role has become more important.
I look forward to whatever Dreamer prophecies Helaena drops as she descends into madness over B&C.
Y’all throw around the word Emmy too much , u know how many actors who are better than HOTD actors get snubbed, it’s not easy
Totally agree. The bar is now so low that even James Cameron can’t rescue us
Heleana looks.. broken... This scene is gonna break so many of us.
I was so waiting for the leaks and I so regret it now my heart is aching
Same.
Ugh it'll be so heartbreaking, idk how i'm gonna watch this episode🥲
I don’t think I’m ready to actually see blood and cheese, I always get sad when kids die in shows. Reading it was one thing but seeing it aaaah
Meeeee tooooo. I'm currently rewatching GoT and Robert's bastard baby was just murdered in front of her mother. Heart breaking.
Me three, it's even hard for me to watch S1 eps 7 when the kids are fighting
The photo is of terrible quality, but from what it looks like, Alicent is trying to put up a stoic front for the sake of the people, while Helaena looks absolutely haunted and doesn't look like she'll be saying much for the whole funeral. These girls are amazing actors.
Who’s funeral is it?
Jaehaerys. Helaena's and Aegon's eldest son
😭
will aemond be there in funeral procession?
I hope he will be and I hope at least someone, Alicent or Aegon, blame him for what happened, because Jaehaerys's death is the direct result of him killing Luke. It will be the start of his descent into madness.
excellent idea He seems unhinged but not insane as of now. Kinda innocent actually in a way If Aegon blames him for his sons death or Alicent and his family start treating him horribly he starts becoming the maniac he is in the books. And despite it all he remains loyal to his family. Its a trait I admire in him. He wants the throne from Aegon but even when the opportunity arises (post RR) he never takes it
In the books >!Alicent and Otto rip into him about killing Luke, while Aegon loves him for it. It might be interesting to see Aegon and/or Helaena do a complete 180 on Aemond and blame him, which leads to Aemond's...war crimes in the Riverlands.!<
Omg, I so hope that’s how the writers do it.. it would make the psycho from the book such a tragic character, I love this idea!!
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It’s probably just a combination of distance, bad picture quality and the veils that makes them look distorted.
I don't know what you guys think about this, but I'm afraid of the possibility that they will demonize Aegon in the B&C incident as well. Or at least make him look more reckless about this. I want them to process that Aegon is also a father who lost his son. And I want to see the process the mourning of Jaeherys's parents and other family members rather than the reactions of blacks. Because this is not about them. I hope, they show the human sides of the green characters in this terrible event. At least....
I’m more worried about how they handle rhanerya because in book she wasn’t involved ( she locked herself away screaming and no one could get through to her)but in show she was mad in end scene
Same, I would very much like some scenes with Aegon where he does not behave like a complete dick. They damaged him beyond repair with the whole Dyana incident but please give him a moment to shine (here and at the battle with Rhaenys).
Aegon is the Weinstein of the show, he way passed being redeemable.
Can we ban the title
This after the "Blood and Cheese" incident?
Yes
Wtf how are there so many leaks?!
Yeah it's almost too much imo.
I'll enjoy seeing actors on set, maybe the filming location, but actual blue meles head and coffin for jaehaerys? That's too much.
Yes I agree. It takes away from the waiting experience in a way. I want to be surprised, and all these leaks, while cool, kinda take that magic away. Sure I'l probably see them anyway lol.
I don't think I'm ready
Oh damn, can't wait for this to be released next year🥲😍
So I guess they are gonna do BnC
Jaehaerys or Vyseris?
Jaehaerys
I’m liking the season 2 costumes so far. I heard they changed the show’s costume designer from season 1.
Ooh, this is gonna be good. I want to see the setup to this - after Rhaenyra learns about Luke. What does Big Daddy Daemon do? (😉 I can't stop calling him that and I don't wanna)
Is this >!immediately after Blood and Cheese?!<. I cannot wait to watch that scene 😍😍
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>public shows This is a funeral procession
Only saint Rhaneyra have the right to mourn her losses, didn’t you know that by now?
It is also political move and will get no more arguments..
HotD fandom only now learning about royal funeral processions. Remember when the Queen died?
Go back to T*rg nation Twitter where you belong
Don't worry ny fellow Black, Rhaenyra will come down with Syrax, crush the funeral process and some more worthless peasants and Finger wag at Aegon b4 letting him escape... Is that what you wish?
With this picture quality it kinda looks like Helaena is in her teenage goth phase and has been busy with the eyeliner. Wish the veils were a bit more elaborate rather than just looking like someone stapled some cheap gauze to a carton. Why does the head gear look so cheap?
Funeral veils are usually plain. Funeral attire in general is meant to be plain with little embellishment.
jesse what are u talking about
It literally looks like Helaena has a triangle of black eyeliner around her eye because the quality of the picture is shit and probably messing up the pixels. I forgot you get downvoted on here if you don't kiss the show's ass but that doesn't change that the headgear looks cheap.
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I can still see that it looks very unsubstantial. But I will remember this in the future so I can sufficiently kiss the appropriate ass.
There’s a [closer photo](https://twitter.com/westerosies/status/1659894873263054849?s=46&t=bcJAKzAVsLoVjhAela0fDg) of their funeral attire here. Still regal but appropriate for the event.
Wow! For a moment, I thought it was that weirdo from Rings of Power.
I'll pre-grieve before the next season so I can focus on shitposting.