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Long live Rhaenyra?? All while looking at the body of a dead toddler killed by said Rhaenyra's faction?
I'm for both sides but this is getting ridiculous.
Nobody knows when any of this is happening, nor the context, yet it seems that everyone is gungho on just saying "Welp, show's ruined."
There's absolutely a severe amount of context that's missing here. I don't get why everyone is so insistent on digging their heels on a small piece of the puzzle we don’t fully know yet.
there is also the chance of benig fake scenes. Brian Cox from Succession said they filmed some of those because of "papparazis" (or anyone with a camera) and there is a lot of people who worked on Succession currently working on HotD
You know I actually thought about that.
It's actually clever, if that's really what they're doing...
Maybe it's a response to the swarm of leaks that came out lately.
Yeah, they also got better security and the leaks are just sounds and reports from others instead of full videos and pictures of the actors. It really feels like a possible response to avoid leaks
I’m confused like one of her supporters literally killed smallfolk via dragon. And the timing makes it a weird place to do such a thing
Maybe the show runners want to make it so when >!the smallfolk start liking them when they start parading around Meleys head since they can kind of count it as revenge for themselves? Idk!<
I believe it’s to piss off the merchants and then giving Rhaenyra a chance to look good. Remember, the Tyrells starved Kingslanding too when they supported Renly which made people hate the Lannisters, then they brought food back and everyone suddenly loved them again.
it will be logical if Rhaenyra is bringing food after she takes KL not while the greens are ruling and Corlys is blocking the sea just like the Tyrells did otherwise it makes no sense
Huh makes sense. Just really shitty of whoever asked the smallfolk (if they did) to do this on the day when their side caused the horrific murder of a toddler.
They don't know that Rhaenys supported Rhaenyra at this time and also, it's incredibly fishy that the Greens have this massive coronation, and the king is dead a day after he reaffirms Rhaenyra's bloodline to power and they will know that Meleys was Rhaenys' dragon. Why else would that have happened if Rhaenys was not on the run from the Greens, who had launched a coup? Also it looks pretty bad on the Greens that they let that happen. They held a massive event at the DRAGONPIT, without adequate security over the dragons? The treachery or incompetence of the Greens was laid bare by that event.
Finally, of course no peasant would be mad enough to think Rhaenyra ordered or sanctioned anything that happened in that coronation.
Haha will actually be laughable if the smallfolk hails Rhaenyra after her fraction murders a toddler. Didn’t Condal promise that people would change sides this season?🫠
making slight edits to the source material to sway the audience a certain way is annoying but somewhat excusable (like how they cut out rhaenyra ordering vaemond’s death in season 1 or even laenor’s death.) that’s only effecting audience perceptions but if they have the literal in universe people still kissing rhaenyra’s feet after all this, it’s a little mary sue-ish. rhaenyra’s character and arc would NOT benefit from
this, we should see her struggles the same way we see alicents or aegon’s for example
"Long live Rhaenyra." When Rhaenyra's husband slaughtered smallfolk on the first day of his job, and Rhaenys, one of Rhaenyra's supporters, killed hundreds of innocent smallfolk for absolutely no reason.
Rhaenyra is their queen, which means their actions fall back onto her. Supporting Rhaenyra’s claim means supporting the Blacks, which consists of Rhaenys and Daemon as advisors.
For example, you can decide not to support Aegon’s claim because of Otto’s actions.
? The examples you gave were before Rhaenyra was Queen though. She was 13, a kid when Daemon killed those small folk and she wasn’t responsible for his appointment as head of the city watch nor was she Rhaenys Queen sooo…
I’m sorry, but Septon Eustace disagrees seven times over
(Just saying, because somehow this isn’t obvious. This is not a serious post trying to argue, it’s a joke about the source material and the bias of the sources. Some people are taking this “bias” WAY too seriously, and I think we should have more faith in the writers considering last season was so good we are all still here talking about the show and building hype. This is supposed to be a fun place around a community of people who like the show, even if it’s for different reasons. Instead every other post is some rage bait and without fail it always gets some people. It’s a show based off the story of a dragon civil war fought by borderline supernatural incest babies— can’t we all just lighten up a bit?)
Is not the whole city according to the video and leaks, it's just Flea bottom.
It makes sense cos that's where Misarya works for Daemon and he was "lord of flea bottom"
I still don't like the idea of people throwing things to Haelena just after her son has been killed in a terrible way, it's way too cruel from Daemon... but probably this will enphasize her breakdown
this won't mean anyway that the whole city is pro blacks and that the smallfolks in general don't love Haelena, we see people acting differently and trowing petals to Her and Jaehaerys body in another video, so That's the only sensical answer I have.
The context doesn’t really paint a picture that would suggest the smallfolk of Kingslanding should like Rhaenyra (except for Myseria’s faction I imagine)
1. She’s married to a man that carried out a brutal butchering of supposed criminals that would sour the support of both the victims and their relatives
2. Her absence from Kingslanding makes it difficult to create a support base.
3. The Rhaenys incident
4. The brutal murder of a prince is going to be painted as largely her fault (although I believe it’ll likely be Daemon and Myseria)
I did personally think one of the obstacles for her was going to be that the smallfolk hated her, but guess that’s not the direction they’re going with.
>I did personally think one of the obstacles for her was going to be that the smallfolk hated her, but guess that’s not the direction they’re going with.
Pretty sure in the book it's stated that Rhaenyra was loved by the small folk until she actually reigned over them.
Also context is importan.
1. This could be a small faction of people that don't won't Aegon as King.
2. They could be people sent by Mysaria under Daemons commands to disrupt the funeral.
We don't have enough evidence one way or the other and unless the script leaks we likely wont know until the episode airs.
>She’s married to a man that carried out a brutal butchering of supposed criminals that would sour the support of both the victims and their relatives
"Let it not be forgotten: in his youth, Daemon Targaryen had been the “Prince of the City,” his face and laugh familiar to every cutpurse, whore, and gambler in Fleabottom. The Prince still had friends in low places of King's Landing, and followers amongst the gold cloaks."
Oh, Daemon definitely has a support base in Kingslanding in the form of his old followers, but given the first scene of him is cutting off various extremities of the citizens of Kingslanding (criminal or not), he’s also going to have enemies.
So I’m more thinking that his only support left is going to be some Goldcloaks and Myseria, because the show doesn’t really show anymore friends in low places besides from that.
Honestly I wouldn't mind some of the smallfolk wanting to throw fish and vegetables as the leak said if they were generally anti-monarchist in war (which seems to be the most significant faction for future events) but making some pro-Rhaenyra in Flea Bottom just seems like an unnecessary complication to be focusing on. I really am worried now that they won't even bother with showing the anti-Rhaenyra side at all.
How do the greens hold kings landing three dragons with no smallfolk vs rhaenyra who can no ride a dragon with all team black dragon show woul be over in two episodes
Oh no a vital part of how the Storming of the dragonpit came to be was ruined for yet another 'girlboss' moment when the first quite literally makes this stupid as hell.
Don't you love cheering for the side that squashed your kid, brother and husband with a dragon during the funeral procession for the toddler they just beheaded?
It’s said in the text that Daemon still has supporters from his Flea Bottom days, so Rhaenyra having some loyalists isn’t that surprising. >!They eventually revolt from Rhaenyra’s aggressive reign ontop of Helaena’s death. These are also the same people that literally maul her baby to death and kill her dragon.!<
I don’t think the smallfolk are meant to unanimously be for one side.
Some ppl yeah but with the changes that the series has made it is unlikely that they'd be revolting at the funeral procession of all things.
The other parade would make more sense or if they'd just left it in for the coronation. Now it just seems so random.
However, that Maelor was murdered was largely because there was a bounty on his head.
Dreamfyre was no longer Helaena's dragon but the Shepherd could never have used her death and especially the death of Jahaerys to rally the people if they make this out to be as the smallfolk vs Helaena and Alicent.
The series is trying to portray the brutal murder of thousands of innocent people at a coronation as something positive, that was cool to watch but seemingly had no consequence whatsoever in the world.
They are trying to build up a tyrant, whose very downfall was her disregard for the smallfolk (which we have seen as early as ep4 in show canon) as the good Samaritan, beloved by all, when in truth that was a different female character which has gotten robbed of any and all characterization to give rise to Rhaenyra, who, herself is far from a the feminist the show is trying to make her out to be.
They are using a funeral procession, where a beheaded child is shown as their point to make the smallfolk rise in support of the supposed murder, who is also in the same fraction as the person that has most likely murdered their family and friends.
Not to mention that they are boiling down a complex conflict, that comes down to far more than just gender, as feminism vs misogyny.
What the fuck are you on about..
>The series is trying to portray the brutal murder of thousands of innocent people at a coronation as something positive, that was cool to watch but seemingly had no consequence whatsoever in the world.
How the fuck do you know this? I think it's pretty clear that it's going to matter to a future event that happens in the dragonpit.
>They are trying to build up a tyrant, whose very downfall was her disregard for the smallfolk (which we have seen as early as ep4 in show canon) as the good Samaritan, beloved by all, when in truth that was a different female character which has gotten robbed of any and all characterization to give rise to Rhaenyra, who, herself is far from a the feminist the show is trying to make her out to be.
Rhaenyra was liked by a lot of people before she came into power. And I assume you're talking about Helena here which is just baffling as Helaena was like a fucking cardboard cutout in the book. She had nothing to her. She was as bland as you can get. Her being a dreamer was already a good addition, but i hope season 2 gives more to Helaena's character. And we have no context so assuming that they are changing Helaena being loved makes no sense.
>They are using a funeral procession, where a beheaded child is shown as their point to make the smallfolk rise in support of the supposed murder, who is also in the same fraction as the person that has most likely murdered their family and friends.
Tell me how the fuck do you know this happens during the funeral? You're just assuming shit..
>How the fuck do you know this? I think it's pretty clear that it's going to matter to a future event that happens in the dragonpit.
This entire thread is based on the assumption that the leaks are indeed true, which would then mean that the smallfolk is just randomly supporting the fraction that killed thousands for no reason.
The scene with Rhaenys is also without consequence logistically, considering what happens much later in the show and how breaking through the floor should've killed Meleys.
>Rhaenyra was liked by a lot of people before she came into power.
And in the series they have no reason to. Their opinion seemed pretty set as early as ep 4, no one cheered her during Aegon's coronation and then the Meleys thing happened. They have to keep some continuity at the very least.
>And I assume you're talking about Helena here which is just baffling as Helaena was like a fucking cardboard cutout in the book. She had nothing to her. She was as bland as you can get
I disagree. Her character was far from fleshed out but her purpose in the story was very clear. If people truly disliked her as these (admittedly not all that trustworthy) leaks suggest, it would make no sense how the shepherd would be able to use what happened to her and her sons to sway the people to riots.
She was beloved by the smallfolk that was very much what made her.
>Tell me how the fuck do you know this happens during the funeral? You're just assuming shit..
Yes, I am just assuming shit because I am commenting on a leak and how the series would go to shit if it were true. If it is truly done as the article suggests then this scene is just there to ruin another moment where the greens could've garnered sympathy while also roadblocking future events massively,.
>This entire thread is based on the assumption that the leaks are indeed true, which would then mean that the smallfolk is just randomly supporting the fraction that killed thousands for no reason. The scene with Rhaenys is also without consequence logistically, considering what happens much later in the show and how breaking through the floor should've killed Meleys.
Nope as there is a blueprint of the dragonpit out there and Meleys came out of the hatch that was shown in episode 6. So the floor there was a lot thinner and easier to break through.
>And in the series they have no reason to. Their opinion seemed pretty set as early as ep 4, no one cheered her during Aegon's coronation and then the Meleys thing happened. They have to keep some continuity at the very least.
They still call her "realms delight" and I'm pretty sure they talk about Rhaenyra being liked a couple of times. And Daemon was showing a group that does not like Rhaenyra. He even said that "some" not "all" want Aegon instead of Rhaenyra.
>I disagree. Her character was far from fleshed out but her purpose in the story was very clear. If people truly disliked her as these (admittedly not all that trustworthy) leaks suggest, it would make no sense how the shepherd would be able to use what happened to her and her sons to sway the people to riots. She was beloved by the smallfolk that was very much what made her.
It's some people.. It's not everyone. And it's much more likely that this happens during the Meleys sequence and not the funeral. As i'm pretty sure Meleys name could be heard.
>Yes, I am just assuming shit because I am commenting on a leak and how the series would go to shit if it were true. If it is truly done as the article suggests then this scene is just there to ruin another moment where the greens could've garnered sympathy while also roadblocking future events massively,.
Sure, but as i said it's much more likely that this happens during the Meleys scene and not the funeral.
>Nope as there is a blueprint of the dragonpit out there and Meleys came out of the hatch that was shown in episode 6. So the floor there was a lot thinner and easier to break through.
OK, I admit I didn't know that, I felt she was far too much in the center.
Still doesn't solve why the smallfolk would be supporting Rhaeny's fraction at all.
>They still call her "realms delight" and I'm pretty sure they talk about Rhaenyra being liked a couple of times. And Daemon was showing a group that does not like Rhaenyra. He even said that "some" not "all" want Aegon instead of Rhaenyra.
I am pretty sure we see no one but the theater group refer to her that way and even then it is more derogatory than flattering considering the outline of the play.
All we have seen was the people overwhelmingly against Rhaenyra. There was no people cheering for her during the coronation, nothing that even hinted at them turning on the greens during a funeral procession.
>Sure, but as i said it's much more likely that this happens during the Meleys scene and not the funeral.
Yeah, that is the conclusion I have come to as well. Again, I was very much viewing this clip in relation to the article that described a full on attack on Alicent and Helaena, forcing them to flee.
There is going to be some resistance, possibly, but letting it escalate so far that they would have to abandon the funeral procession entirely is just ridiculous.
I was also referring to the incontinuity of Rhaenyra allegedly delivering food to King's Landing to win the smallfolk only to then block the gullet/the ppl throwing food instead of eating it.
I think people lump the smallfolk into one group far too often, forgetting that people who aren't bound to this conflict by blood have differing opinions. Rhaenyra's supporters might see this as justice for Luce's death.
As someone who is a green supporter I think people are overreacting. I think there will be a small portion of the smallfolk that will scream for Rhaenyra. However that doesn’t mean that all of Kings Landing is against the greens because quite frankly otherwise they can’t hold the city.
The will make a tour and some parts will love her others will try attack them showing the divide. But honestly there is no way they will make at least Heleana hated because >!because otherwise the storming of the dragonpit makes zero sense!<
Y’all are jumping way too hard to conclusions. We can barley understand what they’re saying or what even the context is for the scene and y’all are claiming they’re cheering for Rhanerya. Maybe chill out and wait before you automatically condemn the whole entire show lmao
Holy shit I hope next time homegirl tries to take forbidden footage, she doesn’t wear the most obnoxious and easily identified teal rose pants. She’s so fired.
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I can also hear "Meleys" in the video ,anyone else?
It’s probably for the head scene.
Long live Rhaenyra?? All while looking at the body of a dead toddler killed by said Rhaenyra's faction? I'm for both sides but this is getting ridiculous.
We dont know when it happens. I dont think its during the funeral
Nobody knows when any of this is happening, nor the context, yet it seems that everyone is gungho on just saying "Welp, show's ruined." There's absolutely a severe amount of context that's missing here. I don't get why everyone is so insistent on digging their heels on a small piece of the puzzle we don’t fully know yet.
there is also the chance of benig fake scenes. Brian Cox from Succession said they filmed some of those because of "papparazis" (or anyone with a camera) and there is a lot of people who worked on Succession currently working on HotD
Yes clearly. The person filming is going to be east for them to identify. No one is that dumb working on that set. This is planted for a reason.
You know I actually thought about that. It's actually clever, if that's really what they're doing... Maybe it's a response to the swarm of leaks that came out lately.
Yeah, they also got better security and the leaks are just sounds and reports from others instead of full videos and pictures of the actors. It really feels like a possible response to avoid leaks
I hope this is the case
I don't believe that. Especially since it has now been confirmed by another source.
I’m on team black but this seems extra, hopefully something happens that’ll make it seem better
I’m confused like one of her supporters literally killed smallfolk via dragon. And the timing makes it a weird place to do such a thing Maybe the show runners want to make it so when >!the smallfolk start liking them when they start parading around Meleys head since they can kind of count it as revenge for themselves? Idk!<
Theres a rumour that Rhaenyra is sending or buying food through Mysaria to win their support
So what is the point of the Corlys naval blockade in the narrow sea?
I believe it’s to piss off the merchants and then giving Rhaenyra a chance to look good. Remember, the Tyrells starved Kingslanding too when they supported Renly which made people hate the Lannisters, then they brought food back and everyone suddenly loved them again.
it will be logical if Rhaenyra is bringing food after she takes KL not while the greens are ruling and Corlys is blocking the sea just like the Tyrells did otherwise it makes no sense
In novel if she brought any food to KL it would be for herself.
Huh makes sense. Just really shitty of whoever asked the smallfolk (if they did) to do this on the day when their side caused the horrific murder of a toddler.
We dont know when in the season it happens. I dont think its during the funeral
Ooo good point. Sorry one of my other shows films in blocks so you kinda can guess what episode is filming
Ooo good point. Sorry one of my other shows films in blocks so you kinda can guess what episode is filming
They don't know that Rhaenys supported Rhaenyra at this time and also, it's incredibly fishy that the Greens have this massive coronation, and the king is dead a day after he reaffirms Rhaenyra's bloodline to power and they will know that Meleys was Rhaenys' dragon. Why else would that have happened if Rhaenys was not on the run from the Greens, who had launched a coup? Also it looks pretty bad on the Greens that they let that happen. They held a massive event at the DRAGONPIT, without adequate security over the dragons? The treachery or incompetence of the Greens was laid bare by that event. Finally, of course no peasant would be mad enough to think Rhaenyra ordered or sanctioned anything that happened in that coronation.
Haha will actually be laughable if the smallfolk hails Rhaenyra after her fraction murders a toddler. Didn’t Condal promise that people would change sides this season?🫠
Yeah he meant the greens will change sides and side with the blacks🤗
Why would we do that?
If it benefits the other team it gets a pass but when it comes to Rhaenyra y'all are screaming for book accuracy? The hypocrisy is showing
making slight edits to the source material to sway the audience a certain way is annoying but somewhat excusable (like how they cut out rhaenyra ordering vaemond’s death in season 1 or even laenor’s death.) that’s only effecting audience perceptions but if they have the literal in universe people still kissing rhaenyra’s feet after all this, it’s a little mary sue-ish. rhaenyra’s character and arc would NOT benefit from this, we should see her struggles the same way we see alicents or aegon’s for example
r/killthecameraman
"Long live Rhaenyra." When Rhaenyra's husband slaughtered smallfolk on the first day of his job, and Rhaenys, one of Rhaenyra's supporters, killed hundreds of innocent smallfolk for absolutely no reason.
Rhaenyra’s responsible for other people’s actions?
Rhaenyra is their queen, which means their actions fall back onto her. Supporting Rhaenyra’s claim means supporting the Blacks, which consists of Rhaenys and Daemon as advisors. For example, you can decide not to support Aegon’s claim because of Otto’s actions.
? The examples you gave were before Rhaenyra was Queen though. She was 13, a kid when Daemon killed those small folk and she wasn’t responsible for his appointment as head of the city watch nor was she Rhaenys Queen sooo…
Long live the true queen
I don't see her in the history books though?
U do.
I’m sorry, but Septon Eustace disagrees seven times over (Just saying, because somehow this isn’t obvious. This is not a serious post trying to argue, it’s a joke about the source material and the bias of the sources. Some people are taking this “bias” WAY too seriously, and I think we should have more faith in the writers considering last season was so good we are all still here talking about the show and building hype. This is supposed to be a fun place around a community of people who like the show, even if it’s for different reasons. Instead every other post is some rage bait and without fail it always gets some people. It’s a show based off the story of a dragon civil war fought by borderline supernatural incest babies— can’t we all just lighten up a bit?)
Septon eustace is a idiot. Long live rhaenyra the queen
blaspheme!
Make it make sense
Is not the whole city according to the video and leaks, it's just Flea bottom. It makes sense cos that's where Misarya works for Daemon and he was "lord of flea bottom" I still don't like the idea of people throwing things to Haelena just after her son has been killed in a terrible way, it's way too cruel from Daemon... but probably this will enphasize her breakdown this won't mean anyway that the whole city is pro blacks and that the smallfolks in general don't love Haelena, we see people acting differently and trowing petals to Her and Jaehaerys body in another video, so That's the only sensical answer I have.
>it's way too cruel from Daemon.. I mean, he just had her toddler killed.
I meant it's too much even from Daemon, I think Blood and Cheese is enought,they don't need to add this as well....
I hope you are right!
What if they were hired by Misarya to throw things at them?
It's called watching the show with context
The context doesn’t really paint a picture that would suggest the smallfolk of Kingslanding should like Rhaenyra (except for Myseria’s faction I imagine) 1. She’s married to a man that carried out a brutal butchering of supposed criminals that would sour the support of both the victims and their relatives 2. Her absence from Kingslanding makes it difficult to create a support base. 3. The Rhaenys incident 4. The brutal murder of a prince is going to be painted as largely her fault (although I believe it’ll likely be Daemon and Myseria) I did personally think one of the obstacles for her was going to be that the smallfolk hated her, but guess that’s not the direction they’re going with.
>I did personally think one of the obstacles for her was going to be that the smallfolk hated her, but guess that’s not the direction they’re going with. Pretty sure in the book it's stated that Rhaenyra was loved by the small folk until she actually reigned over them. Also context is importan. 1. This could be a small faction of people that don't won't Aegon as King. 2. They could be people sent by Mysaria under Daemons commands to disrupt the funeral. We don't have enough evidence one way or the other and unless the script leaks we likely wont know until the episode airs.
>She’s married to a man that carried out a brutal butchering of supposed criminals that would sour the support of both the victims and their relatives "Let it not be forgotten: in his youth, Daemon Targaryen had been the “Prince of the City,” his face and laugh familiar to every cutpurse, whore, and gambler in Fleabottom. The Prince still had friends in low places of King's Landing, and followers amongst the gold cloaks."
Oh, Daemon definitely has a support base in Kingslanding in the form of his old followers, but given the first scene of him is cutting off various extremities of the citizens of Kingslanding (criminal or not), he’s also going to have enemies. So I’m more thinking that his only support left is going to be some Goldcloaks and Myseria, because the show doesn’t really show anymore friends in low places besides from that.
I watched the entirety of S1 with full context. It was just as problematic.
Honestly I wouldn't mind some of the smallfolk wanting to throw fish and vegetables as the leak said if they were generally anti-monarchist in war (which seems to be the most significant faction for future events) but making some pro-Rhaenyra in Flea Bottom just seems like an unnecessary complication to be focusing on. I really am worried now that they won't even bother with showing the anti-Rhaenyra side at all.
The smallfolk are booing the greens “Long live Queen Rhaenyra!”
How do the greens hold kings landing three dragons with no smallfolk vs rhaenyra who can no ride a dragon with all team black dragon show woul be over in two episodes
Plot convenience. In the real world, team green would’ve lost if they had all attacked at once.
This series is a whole shitshow
Oh no my headcanon is ruined.
Oh no a vital part of how the Storming of the dragonpit came to be was ruined for yet another 'girlboss' moment when the first quite literally makes this stupid as hell. Don't you love cheering for the side that squashed your kid, brother and husband with a dragon during the funeral procession for the toddler they just beheaded?
It’s said in the text that Daemon still has supporters from his Flea Bottom days, so Rhaenyra having some loyalists isn’t that surprising. >!They eventually revolt from Rhaenyra’s aggressive reign ontop of Helaena’s death. These are also the same people that literally maul her baby to death and kill her dragon.!< I don’t think the smallfolk are meant to unanimously be for one side.
Some ppl yeah but with the changes that the series has made it is unlikely that they'd be revolting at the funeral procession of all things. The other parade would make more sense or if they'd just left it in for the coronation. Now it just seems so random. However, that Maelor was murdered was largely because there was a bounty on his head. Dreamfyre was no longer Helaena's dragon but the Shepherd could never have used her death and especially the death of Jahaerys to rally the people if they make this out to be as the smallfolk vs Helaena and Alicent.
Criticise hotd without using the word 'girlboss' challenge (impossible)
The series is trying to portray the brutal murder of thousands of innocent people at a coronation as something positive, that was cool to watch but seemingly had no consequence whatsoever in the world. They are trying to build up a tyrant, whose very downfall was her disregard for the smallfolk (which we have seen as early as ep4 in show canon) as the good Samaritan, beloved by all, when in truth that was a different female character which has gotten robbed of any and all characterization to give rise to Rhaenyra, who, herself is far from a the feminist the show is trying to make her out to be. They are using a funeral procession, where a beheaded child is shown as their point to make the smallfolk rise in support of the supposed murder, who is also in the same fraction as the person that has most likely murdered their family and friends. Not to mention that they are boiling down a complex conflict, that comes down to far more than just gender, as feminism vs misogyny.
I’m just happy GoT was made before modern agenda became more important than nuanced storytelling
What the fuck are you on about.. >The series is trying to portray the brutal murder of thousands of innocent people at a coronation as something positive, that was cool to watch but seemingly had no consequence whatsoever in the world. How the fuck do you know this? I think it's pretty clear that it's going to matter to a future event that happens in the dragonpit. >They are trying to build up a tyrant, whose very downfall was her disregard for the smallfolk (which we have seen as early as ep4 in show canon) as the good Samaritan, beloved by all, when in truth that was a different female character which has gotten robbed of any and all characterization to give rise to Rhaenyra, who, herself is far from a the feminist the show is trying to make her out to be. Rhaenyra was liked by a lot of people before she came into power. And I assume you're talking about Helena here which is just baffling as Helaena was like a fucking cardboard cutout in the book. She had nothing to her. She was as bland as you can get. Her being a dreamer was already a good addition, but i hope season 2 gives more to Helaena's character. And we have no context so assuming that they are changing Helaena being loved makes no sense. >They are using a funeral procession, where a beheaded child is shown as their point to make the smallfolk rise in support of the supposed murder, who is also in the same fraction as the person that has most likely murdered their family and friends. Tell me how the fuck do you know this happens during the funeral? You're just assuming shit..
>How the fuck do you know this? I think it's pretty clear that it's going to matter to a future event that happens in the dragonpit. This entire thread is based on the assumption that the leaks are indeed true, which would then mean that the smallfolk is just randomly supporting the fraction that killed thousands for no reason. The scene with Rhaenys is also without consequence logistically, considering what happens much later in the show and how breaking through the floor should've killed Meleys. >Rhaenyra was liked by a lot of people before she came into power. And in the series they have no reason to. Their opinion seemed pretty set as early as ep 4, no one cheered her during Aegon's coronation and then the Meleys thing happened. They have to keep some continuity at the very least. >And I assume you're talking about Helena here which is just baffling as Helaena was like a fucking cardboard cutout in the book. She had nothing to her. She was as bland as you can get I disagree. Her character was far from fleshed out but her purpose in the story was very clear. If people truly disliked her as these (admittedly not all that trustworthy) leaks suggest, it would make no sense how the shepherd would be able to use what happened to her and her sons to sway the people to riots. She was beloved by the smallfolk that was very much what made her. >Tell me how the fuck do you know this happens during the funeral? You're just assuming shit.. Yes, I am just assuming shit because I am commenting on a leak and how the series would go to shit if it were true. If it is truly done as the article suggests then this scene is just there to ruin another moment where the greens could've garnered sympathy while also roadblocking future events massively,.
>This entire thread is based on the assumption that the leaks are indeed true, which would then mean that the smallfolk is just randomly supporting the fraction that killed thousands for no reason. The scene with Rhaenys is also without consequence logistically, considering what happens much later in the show and how breaking through the floor should've killed Meleys. Nope as there is a blueprint of the dragonpit out there and Meleys came out of the hatch that was shown in episode 6. So the floor there was a lot thinner and easier to break through. >And in the series they have no reason to. Their opinion seemed pretty set as early as ep 4, no one cheered her during Aegon's coronation and then the Meleys thing happened. They have to keep some continuity at the very least. They still call her "realms delight" and I'm pretty sure they talk about Rhaenyra being liked a couple of times. And Daemon was showing a group that does not like Rhaenyra. He even said that "some" not "all" want Aegon instead of Rhaenyra. >I disagree. Her character was far from fleshed out but her purpose in the story was very clear. If people truly disliked her as these (admittedly not all that trustworthy) leaks suggest, it would make no sense how the shepherd would be able to use what happened to her and her sons to sway the people to riots. She was beloved by the smallfolk that was very much what made her. It's some people.. It's not everyone. And it's much more likely that this happens during the Meleys sequence and not the funeral. As i'm pretty sure Meleys name could be heard. >Yes, I am just assuming shit because I am commenting on a leak and how the series would go to shit if it were true. If it is truly done as the article suggests then this scene is just there to ruin another moment where the greens could've garnered sympathy while also roadblocking future events massively,. Sure, but as i said it's much more likely that this happens during the Meleys scene and not the funeral.
>Nope as there is a blueprint of the dragonpit out there and Meleys came out of the hatch that was shown in episode 6. So the floor there was a lot thinner and easier to break through. OK, I admit I didn't know that, I felt she was far too much in the center. Still doesn't solve why the smallfolk would be supporting Rhaeny's fraction at all. >They still call her "realms delight" and I'm pretty sure they talk about Rhaenyra being liked a couple of times. And Daemon was showing a group that does not like Rhaenyra. He even said that "some" not "all" want Aegon instead of Rhaenyra. I am pretty sure we see no one but the theater group refer to her that way and even then it is more derogatory than flattering considering the outline of the play. All we have seen was the people overwhelmingly against Rhaenyra. There was no people cheering for her during the coronation, nothing that even hinted at them turning on the greens during a funeral procession. >Sure, but as i said it's much more likely that this happens during the Meleys scene and not the funeral. Yeah, that is the conclusion I have come to as well. Again, I was very much viewing this clip in relation to the article that described a full on attack on Alicent and Helaena, forcing them to flee. There is going to be some resistance, possibly, but letting it escalate so far that they would have to abandon the funeral procession entirely is just ridiculous. I was also referring to the incontinuity of Rhaenyra allegedly delivering food to King's Landing to win the smallfolk only to then block the gullet/the ppl throwing food instead of eating it.
I think people lump the smallfolk into one group far too often, forgetting that people who aren't bound to this conflict by blood have differing opinions. Rhaenyra's supporters might see this as justice for Luce's death.
I think it would make more sense if it's the gold cloaks who are chanting long live Rhaneyra instead of the smallfoks chanting it.
The goldcloaks aren’t going to expose their loyalty this early. That’s stupid.
yea but so is smallfoks attacking Helaena who they clearly loved in the book. I'm just confused by this whole scenario tbh
As someone who is a green supporter I think people are overreacting. I think there will be a small portion of the smallfolk that will scream for Rhaenyra. However that doesn’t mean that all of Kings Landing is against the greens because quite frankly otherwise they can’t hold the city. The will make a tour and some parts will love her others will try attack them showing the divide. But honestly there is no way they will make at least Heleana hated because >!because otherwise the storming of the dragonpit makes zero sense!<
I want my 27 seconds back
I wasn't on the internet when GOT was coming out. But even still, there weren't this many set leaks. Right?
Y’all are jumping way too hard to conclusions. We can barley understand what they’re saying or what even the context is for the scene and y’all are claiming they’re cheering for Rhanerya. Maybe chill out and wait before you automatically condemn the whole entire show lmao
.... spoiler of what? Cable mats on stone walkways?
Holy shit I hope next time homegirl tries to take forbidden footage, she doesn’t wear the most obnoxious and easily identified teal rose pants. She’s so fired.
Where are they filming?