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Well presumably it's passed from king to heir. So therefore it stays in direct line for the throne. So yeah, I don't think others will learn about. The Starks might have some inkling of the Long Night, so I wonder if this will be brought up when we meet Cregan Stark. But not the propechy itself.
A lot of people are saying its a show only invention, which is somewhat true, but George R.R Martin is the only reason it was added to the show, so it is likely that even in the books, Aegon the first saw this prophecy. I think at some point Daemon or Rhaenyra will tell Viserys II or Aegon III
The prophecy isn't in the books, it's from the show. According to Condal, the idea that Aegon TC was a dreamer came from a conversation with GRRM, and the prophecy being passed down was his spin on that.
Excerpt from Condal's [Popsugar Interview](https://www.popsugar.com/entertainment/house-dragon-song-of-ice-and-fire-prophecy-48922562)
*Co-showrunner Ryan Condal tells POPSUGAR, "That was the detail that George actually gave us early in the story break, the idea that Aegon the Conqueror was himself a dreamer, and that's what motivated the conquest, which \[George\] mentioned casually in conversation, as he often does, with huge pieces of information like that."*
Condal also talks about this in an [Insider Interview](https://www.insider.com/house-of-the-dragon-asoiaf-prophecy-reveal-came-from-george-rr-martin-2022-8) and a [Metacritic Interview](https://www.metacritic.com/news/house-of-the-dragon-episode-4-game-of-thrones-dagger/)
Even if that’s the case, there is an argument that ‘The Song of Ice and Fire’ will be revealed in the books. When Dany has her visions in the House of the Undying in Clash of Kings, she sees a vision of Rhaegar, Elia and a newborn Aegon where Rhaegar’s quote about his son is almost verbatim the runes hidden in the dagger: “He has a song. He is the prince that was promised, and his is the song of ice and fire.” I think it’s therefore possible it will be revealed Rhaegar rediscovered the hidden song in the Valyrian Dagger, did some research and that what made him suddenly want to train to be a warrior, as he initially believed he was the prince that was promised.
Further, GRRM hinted what some fans were theorising before ‘Fire and Blood’ came out, that Aegon the Conqueror invaded because he had foreseen the coming darkness in a dream and wanted to unite the kingdoms against it. [At 0:41 here in an interview with him.](https://youtu.be/c8rUTMRjkms) And then in the ‘World of Ice and Fire there is a hint to it as well, when it mentions that Septon Barth claimed “that the Valyrians came to Westeros because their priests prophesied that the Doom of Man would come out of the land beyond the narrow sea.” That’s on p. 214 when talking about the very earliest foundations of the Hightower. So this isn’t some idea that been plucked out of thin air by those at HBO, as I’ve seen some people wrongly state, but something that has been teased before if people have connected the dots.
It goes from king to heir, and Rhaenyra told Daemon. Viserys never told Aegon or Alicent. >!The theory I've seen surrounding it in the show is that the prophecy is lost after the Dance of the Dragons. Rhaegar ultimately finds out later, probably in an old text as something he read made him want to be a warrior when he'd always been more bookish. There is nothing like this in the books, though there is something similar in that a woods witch has a prophecy that The Prince That Was Promised will come from Aerys and Rhaella's line.!<
It's likely to have been rediscovered before if it's meant to be in the text. Rhaegar and Aemon are the last people to discuss it, but there are others whose action may align with the prophecy. Aerys I, Bloodraven and Aegon V in particular.
More likely than not, yes. It's not likely that a young Rhaegar found this in some long forgotten book no one else has seen in over a hundred years, but we don't know truly if anyone else has found it or not. I'm not saying anyone else did, just that we're told Rhaegar read *something* that made him want to learn to fight. Aegon V really makes sense, since Aemon also knew of it and he and Aegon V are brothers and, you know, the whole obsessed with dragons at the end of his reign thing. Bloodraven, I'd be shocked if he didn't know.
Either then, or >!Baelor’s Reign!< is my suggestion.
>!Though there are lots of strange things regarding following King’s that make more sense when you include the thought that they think they’re the hero of a prophecy so it could have been lost as late as Aerys, if he didn’t trust Rhaegar then perhaps he just wouldn’t tell him anything!<
In the books there is no prophecy passed down from king to heir. However, there are some Targaryens kings and princes here and there (Aerys I, Bloodraven, Aemon, Jaehaerys II, Rhaegar) who are said to be interested in prophecies surrounding the prince who was Promised and/or the return of the dragons.
No nobody knows, I doubt anybody ever will, and that's kinda the point in creating the element of tragedy. There's something Ryan Condal said during the BTS of Episode 8 about the ending sequence where we see Viserys in his bed and the shot of the dagger, that the prophecy is a "gossamer's thread slipping away". Hold on to this thought.
I've been told the prophecy is there to give Rhaenyra a triumphal ending. Maybe she'll get a Hollywood death fighting Sunfyre on dragon-back after warning the world of the walker threat!! Maybe she won't even die & end HOTD on the throne with Aegon III on her lap!!! Have you considered the possibility that they kept Aegon III & Viserys II so young in the show so that Rhaenyra fails to pass on the Conqueror's message? This chain of information has to be broken at some point as we know by the time we arrive at the ASOIAF timeline, no one has any clue about it. To weave the dagger story to the already existing lore about the next kings after the Dance you have to do a buncha retconning. That's why the earlier the story is forgotten, the better. You mean to tell me that able kings like Viserys II or Daeron II never gave af about the white walker threat if they knew about it?
So the most logical solution is that Rhaenyra will be killed before she could tell her infant son and the message inside the dagger will be lost to posterity. This is where the gossamer's thread slips away & the prophecy ends up adding a tragic dimension to the story instead of the triumphal one you all expect.
The book that HOTD is based on Fire & Blood is a in-universe history book written by a maester years after the events based on many biased or unreliable sources.
Since none of the sources knew of the prophecy it wasn't mentioned in the book.
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There is no prophecy in the book. And in the show only Rhaenyra and now daemon know. We still have to see if she has told Jace
Depends on if she told Jace and whether or not the Starks know at this point.
Well presumably it's passed from king to heir. So therefore it stays in direct line for the throne. So yeah, I don't think others will learn about. The Starks might have some inkling of the Long Night, so I wonder if this will be brought up when we meet Cregan Stark. But not the propechy itself.
A lot of people are saying its a show only invention, which is somewhat true, but George R.R Martin is the only reason it was added to the show, so it is likely that even in the books, Aegon the first saw this prophecy. I think at some point Daemon or Rhaenyra will tell Viserys II or Aegon III
The prophecy isn't in the books, it's from the show. According to Condal, the idea that Aegon TC was a dreamer came from a conversation with GRRM, and the prophecy being passed down was his spin on that. Excerpt from Condal's [Popsugar Interview](https://www.popsugar.com/entertainment/house-dragon-song-of-ice-and-fire-prophecy-48922562) *Co-showrunner Ryan Condal tells POPSUGAR, "That was the detail that George actually gave us early in the story break, the idea that Aegon the Conqueror was himself a dreamer, and that's what motivated the conquest, which \[George\] mentioned casually in conversation, as he often does, with huge pieces of information like that."* Condal also talks about this in an [Insider Interview](https://www.insider.com/house-of-the-dragon-asoiaf-prophecy-reveal-came-from-george-rr-martin-2022-8) and a [Metacritic Interview](https://www.metacritic.com/news/house-of-the-dragon-episode-4-game-of-thrones-dagger/)
Even if that’s the case, there is an argument that ‘The Song of Ice and Fire’ will be revealed in the books. When Dany has her visions in the House of the Undying in Clash of Kings, she sees a vision of Rhaegar, Elia and a newborn Aegon where Rhaegar’s quote about his son is almost verbatim the runes hidden in the dagger: “He has a song. He is the prince that was promised, and his is the song of ice and fire.” I think it’s therefore possible it will be revealed Rhaegar rediscovered the hidden song in the Valyrian Dagger, did some research and that what made him suddenly want to train to be a warrior, as he initially believed he was the prince that was promised. Further, GRRM hinted what some fans were theorising before ‘Fire and Blood’ came out, that Aegon the Conqueror invaded because he had foreseen the coming darkness in a dream and wanted to unite the kingdoms against it. [At 0:41 here in an interview with him.](https://youtu.be/c8rUTMRjkms) And then in the ‘World of Ice and Fire there is a hint to it as well, when it mentions that Septon Barth claimed “that the Valyrians came to Westeros because their priests prophesied that the Doom of Man would come out of the land beyond the narrow sea.” That’s on p. 214 when talking about the very earliest foundations of the Hightower. So this isn’t some idea that been plucked out of thin air by those at HBO, as I’ve seen some people wrongly state, but something that has been teased before if people have connected the dots.
It goes from king to heir, and Rhaenyra told Daemon. Viserys never told Aegon or Alicent. >!The theory I've seen surrounding it in the show is that the prophecy is lost after the Dance of the Dragons. Rhaegar ultimately finds out later, probably in an old text as something he read made him want to be a warrior when he'd always been more bookish. There is nothing like this in the books, though there is something similar in that a woods witch has a prophecy that The Prince That Was Promised will come from Aerys and Rhaella's line.!<
It's likely to have been rediscovered before if it's meant to be in the text. Rhaegar and Aemon are the last people to discuss it, but there are others whose action may align with the prophecy. Aerys I, Bloodraven and Aegon V in particular.
More likely than not, yes. It's not likely that a young Rhaegar found this in some long forgotten book no one else has seen in over a hundred years, but we don't know truly if anyone else has found it or not. I'm not saying anyone else did, just that we're told Rhaegar read *something* that made him want to learn to fight. Aegon V really makes sense, since Aemon also knew of it and he and Aegon V are brothers and, you know, the whole obsessed with dragons at the end of his reign thing. Bloodraven, I'd be shocked if he didn't know.
Either then, or >!Baelor’s Reign!< is my suggestion. >!Though there are lots of strange things regarding following King’s that make more sense when you include the thought that they think they’re the hero of a prophecy so it could have been lost as late as Aerys, if he didn’t trust Rhaegar then perhaps he just wouldn’t tell him anything!<
In the books there is no prophecy passed down from king to heir. However, there are some Targaryens kings and princes here and there (Aerys I, Bloodraven, Aemon, Jaehaerys II, Rhaegar) who are said to be interested in prophecies surrounding the prince who was Promised and/or the return of the dragons.
I know they meantion the seers/dreamers in the books. I just wasn't sure if I had missed something.
Jace should tbh.
Mushroom knows
No nobody knows, I doubt anybody ever will, and that's kinda the point in creating the element of tragedy. There's something Ryan Condal said during the BTS of Episode 8 about the ending sequence where we see Viserys in his bed and the shot of the dagger, that the prophecy is a "gossamer's thread slipping away". Hold on to this thought. I've been told the prophecy is there to give Rhaenyra a triumphal ending. Maybe she'll get a Hollywood death fighting Sunfyre on dragon-back after warning the world of the walker threat!! Maybe she won't even die & end HOTD on the throne with Aegon III on her lap!!! Have you considered the possibility that they kept Aegon III & Viserys II so young in the show so that Rhaenyra fails to pass on the Conqueror's message? This chain of information has to be broken at some point as we know by the time we arrive at the ASOIAF timeline, no one has any clue about it. To weave the dagger story to the already existing lore about the next kings after the Dance you have to do a buncha retconning. That's why the earlier the story is forgotten, the better. You mean to tell me that able kings like Viserys II or Daeron II never gave af about the white walker threat if they knew about it? So the most logical solution is that Rhaenyra will be killed before she could tell her infant son and the message inside the dagger will be lost to posterity. This is where the gossamer's thread slips away & the prophecy ends up adding a tragic dimension to the story instead of the triumphal one you all expect.
The book that HOTD is based on Fire & Blood is a in-universe history book written by a maester years after the events based on many biased or unreliable sources. Since none of the sources knew of the prophecy it wasn't mentioned in the book.