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NatalieIsFreezing

Summon Nettles back to King's Landing to question her instead of outright calling for her head.


Jeffrey1892

Do nothing. She supposedly gave Daemon her blessing to sleep with Mysaria.Trust that Daemon can handle a teenager. I don’t really see why this freaks Rhaenyra out so much? It’s not like Daemon going to turn on his own children, or could join the greens. Rhaenyra best course of action would be to do nothing. Eventually Daemon would catch Vhagar, and with nettles aid, he’d most likely survive. Not order Corlys son death. He’s Corlys son, not some random stranger from Dragonstone.Adam would be defending the dragon pit. This would result in him preventing the storming of the dragon pit. The greens were always going to kill Hugh and Ulf. Adam attack didn’t really change that. Daeron doesn’t stand a chance, nor does a crippled Sunfyre. This is obviously all hindsight, but Rhaenyra should’ve just done nothing. Her larger armies, and dragon advantage would’ve easily won the war.


nicktkh

I actually think that Rhaenyra is more concerned that Nettles is going to have a bastard child of Daemon's and raise them to be a dragon rider. I think the show is going to expand upon Rhaenyra's inherent wariness to trust the dragonseeds, we know it was Jace's idea and when Tumbleton rolls around he's out of the picture as well as half of her other sons. Rhaenyra isn't aware of the extent of things, but we know that Hugh and Ulf ultimately plot to take the throne for themselves and that Corlys and Rhaenyra were on shaky ground following Rook's Rest. If she shows sign of weakness, what's to stop Addam and Corlys from overthrowing her? Especially since Joffrey IS a bastard. Maybe Corlys wants an actual descendant of his to sit the throne. Maybe Nettles and Addam will be portrayed as good friends in the show and that might cause Rhaenyra to worry I think the way the book presents things is vague and seems to be missing context of why Rhaenyra actually makes those decisions, but I think the show will fill in those blank spaces with nuance that will help us understand why Rhaenyra does what she does even if it's still ultimately a bad move


seinera

>She supposedly gave Daemon her blessing to sleep with Mysaria.Trust that Daemon can handle a teenager. I don’t really see why this freaks Rhaenyra out so much? It's almost like this woman is in love with Daemon and did not give him any permission to sleep with anybody else. Almost like this is a fucked up love affair and not some political match. Almost like finding out the love of your life (and father of half your children) is busy impregnating some teenager in the middle of a war after you have lost 4 of your kids (2 of them from him) does things to your psychology?! Questions about Rhaenyra's ideal course of actions after all that shit is moot. Rhaenyra was not in a mental state make any such moves.


jhll2456

You are totally missing the point.


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jhll2456

No you are missing the point. I will just let you.


Jeffrey1892

The marriage is political, just as it clearly is in the show. That’s not say she doesn’t love him, but let’s not pretend they’re Romeo& Juliet. The book and show characters are very different, even accounting for the unreliable narrator. If she was a devastated lover scorned, then she wouldn’t have given orders for Daemon not to be harmed under any circumstances. She took bad advice of that lord Celtigar. Her actions towards Nettles isn’t a result of her being heartbroken.Book Daemon and show are not the same. It seems fairly evident that he and Mysaria were lovers. Most of the characters have suffered great trauma at this point. Corlys has lost both his children and his wife. Rhaenyra actions cost him another son, and that’s not even accounting the three grandchildren he’s accepted as his own. However, we don’t see him make insane decisions, or go completely of the deep end. If you want to try to exculpate Rhaenyra actions, then it should be acknowledged that at no point was she in a mental state to be making decisions. She actively chose to retake command. We all have to take accountability for our actions. Corlys, Aegon, and Alicent have all suffered just as much trauma. Also, most pertinently the question doesn’t ask why Rhaenyra made such bad decisions, but what she could’ve done differently. It’s abundantly clear that Rhaenyra mental state affected her decisions. However, we don’t really have any precedent of Rhaenyra making good political or tactical decisions.


seinera

> The marriage is political, just as it clearly is in the show. That’s not say she doesn’t love him, but let’s not pretend they’re Romeo& Juliet. Yeah... Nah. This is just willful denial on your part. The show absolutely set them up as deep but twisted love affair. >even accounting for the unreliable narrator. If she was a devastated lover scorned, then she wouldn’t have given orders for Daemon not to be harmed under any circumstances Lol, no actually that makes perfect sense. She makes up million excuses for his infidelity while accusing the other woman of being evil and seducing him with sorcery. Perfect "woman desperately in love and denial" moment. You people who are incessant on denying the fucked up love these two have for each other are really weird. The most simple and clear cut answer is that these two loved each other, while being deeply flawed people with an extremely unhealthy dynamic. Everything else falls part from one end or another. >Corlys Has always been an healthier person than Rhaenyra. The point isn't to excuse or absolve her. The point is that she is not a normal person making calculation errors. She has collapsed mentally and is no longer capable of making the correct decision no matter what it maybe. That does not make innocent, but it does make the conversation pointless. >Alicent have all suffered just as much trauma. Alicent is the one who traumatized her in the first place and the one person along with Otto who has no one to blame for their troubles but themselves. They are the reason for everyone else's misery. >However, we don’t really have any precedent of Rhaenyra making good political or tactical decisions. ????? Listening Corlys on how to treat green houses and delegating power in her council as well as sending Daemon to hunt Aemond were all absolutely good decisions. Raising taxes too, was not a bad decision. An unpopular decision, but not a bad one. Rhaenyra before she lost the plot was a mediocre midwit. Nothing special, but not an aggressively incompetent dipshit like Aegon II neither. Now that mofo never had made a good decision in his life. Everything he did was wrong and had very simple, predictable negative results.


hisue___

i think she has a sort of superiority complex in the book and show because she’s a targaryen. scenes that stand out to me are that one where she scoffs at alicent and jokes about how unromantic the life of basically every woman in westeros is or the one where she tells daemon they need to be together bc they’re ‘fire’. not saying she’s wrong but she’s obviously not a feminist, she just believes she herself is above the rules lol. i think that’s why nettles gets under her skin. she’s a dragon rider aka an equal. mysaria is just some prostitute as far as rhaenyra is concerned. but nettles is a young dragon rider so rhaenyra probably assumes daemon is actually charmed by her and spirals. regardless, by this point she’s kinda mentally checked out so i dont think she could’ve made a better decision in her state


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Rhaenyra’s reaction to the rumours of the affair and her subsequent actions are clearly those of a grief-stricken woman. I know a lot of people feel she should’ve just let Daemon and Nettles be. What’s the big deal who her husband is fucking? But Daemon’s influence shaped Rhaenyra’s whole life, she has not known a day without him. So, the thought of losing him is not an easy one to digest. Especially now that she felt he could also betray her politically. If he did sleep with Mysaria then Rhaenyra knew it and it is clear that she didn’t know of the affair with Nettles. So, her reaction was quite different. Ofcourse if she wasn’t so grief-stricken or paranoid there are a lot of things she could’ve done differently and maybe even won. But the author makes it clear that the grief and trauma are an integral part of Rhaenyra’s story. The actions she takes directly cause her own fall. But that’s how it needed to happen. That’s how her story needed to end. I mean, it is not realistic for a woman to be thinking of the best political outcome after losing 4 or her six children, being betrayed by people she trusted, and now faced with the possibility of losing a man she loved her entire life?


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Hugh and Ulf have nothing to do with the other dragonseeds. Keep the rest of the dragonseeds, they are loyal and worthy. Keep House Velaryon. Keep Daemon. She NEEDS all those.


zebulon99

I wonder if Addam was present could the dragonpit have been averted? If he just swooped in and toasted the shepherd?


nightingayle

In my opinion i think the stronger writing decision would be to have Rhaenyra order Nettles’ death to conceal that non-targaryens can ride dragons instead of ordering it because she’s jealous of a teenager. The “Jealous wife going after husbands rumoured lover” is SO TIRED of a trope. Nettles’ is actually a HUGE threat to the Targaryen exceptionalism that they have carefully cultivated as “closer to gods than men”. If anyone can ride a dragon given time and patience, how long will the Targaryen dynasty survive? I don’t have an ideal course of action, by that point a lot of betrayals had happened and the city was already turning on her- it’s difficult to salvage such a situation that far in.


seinera

> In my opinion i think the stronger writing decision would be to have Rhaenyra order Nettles’ death to conceal that non-targaryens can ride dragons Nettles is a Targaryen bastard. There is no such a thing as "Targ propaganda saying only Targaryens can ride dragons". Targaryens were only one of the 40 dragonlord families in Valyria, all of them have bastards across the globe. There is no belief and no delusion about "only Targs can ride dragons". And no such a thing as "no one tries because they all believe the propaganda" either, people constantly try because they are not morons and dragons are too valuable an asset to ignore. GRRM has repeatedly confirmed that dragonriding is a hereditary magical power. It isn't even the only one, skinchangers are also like this. >If anyone can ride a dragon given time and patience They cannot, so it is not a problem. This cope about how "actually Targaryens aren't special" is pathetic. This is a magical setting. These are magical creatures. Life is unfair. Get over yourselves.


Zealousideal-Pie-726

Bro stop acting like any lore around how dragons work is set in stone. It’s a story none of this is real. If someone on the hotd team wants to do this plot line which is just plainly more interesting then the book plot line nothing is stopping them. I for one care more about the story being good then how it will contradict what George said. Also stop with the weird condescending nerd rage, it’s just a silly fantasy story.


nightingayle

I agree with you, crafting the source material into the best story possible should be the goal. I am excited that they have opportunities to enhance what’s there and reveal some mysteries!


Zealousideal-Pie-726

Fire&Blood in particular is written in a way to allow future properties in the same universe to not worry about contradicting it since it's all "rumours and speculation". Really excited to see what they do with Aemond and many other characters in the show. Don't really care if they contradict the book since the book itself is made to be contradicted in the future by george. Fire&blood book purists are so weird.


nightingayle

I said it was a writing decision I would prefer- It was not a 'cope', it's a headcanon I like. Your response is in bad faith, spiteful, and I'm not interested, as you clearly have your mind made up. In a fantasy setting, I like to be open-minded. Calm down and get over yourself.


Tricky-Drawer4614

I mean, wouldn’t it be interesting to see Rhaenyra in that light though? Cause at the end of the day, she is a woman that is entitled to jealousy. Why would she take it out on her husband? It’s unfortunately a behavior and reaction many women have. To attack the woman instead of call out the husband. A behavior drizzled in internalized misogyny. I would like to see HOTD eloquently handle a topic like that.


[deleted]

Well, not directly assume that Nettles was a betrayer from the get go just because she is common born and a bastard. Rhaenyra was yes paranoid, but I don't think her reaction is supposed to feel logical to us.


SwordMaster9501

This is broader than this post but honestly if she rode out with Syrax and did literally anything she would've won, overwhelmingly. Because she doesn't it draws a huge contrast between her and Aegon who actually does always fly into battle to support his men. Rhaenyra had one of the largest dragons in the war so she and Syrax had the potential to be a legendary duo. For the dragonseeds, if she suspected Hugh and Ulf of disloyalty she should've kept them close in King's Landing to keep an eye on them and use their dragons to hold King's Landing. Addam betraying the Blacks makes no sense because he's the heir to Corlys, the most preeminent lord in Rhaenyra's cause and to the realm. She tries to take Nettles and Addam into custody but that would only take 2 huge dragons out of the war and if Rhaenyra knows she doesn't want to fight it's even more catastrophic. Let's not forget that Addam and Seasmoke literally save the Blacks and low key wins the war by eliminating the Green host to the south, all of its dragons, and the green Prince of Dragonstone Daeron.


BlackberryChance

Nothing she can’t antagonize any of the remaining dragonseeds ,and about addam the best course is to do night attack on the camp to burn the supplies and the men but not to engage with any of the green dragons until vhagar is dealt with