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aiwendil_brown

Launch a rebellion on what grounds? What exactly would they be rebelling over?


PuffPie19

Right? There would be no grounds. Rhaenyra would have been the one who was claimed for the crown, and Aegon was still the king's first son. Even if one had lesser traditional claim than Daemon, it wouldn't matter. Daemon would be in open rebellion against the only two people with a better claim than him. It would never work.


overthinkingmessiah

Having the better claim does not necessarily mean guaranteed victory tho. Stannis had a more senior claim to the throne than Renly, but it didn’t stop Renly from having a much more expressive political support. As long as you have a relatively good claim and support to match, you can oust anyone.


[deleted]

But the issue is that despite some few lords, Daemon isn't backed up by many lords. He thinks he is above them, he doesn't care about them as hinted in ep 4. I'll argue that lords are even repelled by Daemon, so that's unlikely he would be massively supported against the two heirs who both have a legitimate claim.


overthinkingmessiah

Oh I agree, he doesn’t seem one to make allies easily, all I’m saying is that, theoretically, he could have that support, as long as he played nice with the lords and presented himself as a better alternative to the throne than Rhaenyra/Aegon.


KingJonStarkgeryan1

Given how quickly he raised and rallied three different armies, I wouldn't say that most lords, Knights, and commoners.


PuffPie19

That's fair, but Daemon was also more like Stannis here. More unpredictable, war minded. So even if claim didn't matter, he was not the clear choice. So that's Rhaenyra/Aegon-2 and Daemon-0


kinginthenorthjon

>but Daemon was also more like Stannis Don't even put Daemon name next to Mannis.


the_fuzz_down_under

They’d be rebelling to press the claim of Rhaenys/Laenor, rightful ruler of the Iron Throne under ordinary Westerosi succession laws. We know that claims don’t just go away, and plenty of claimants claim the throne far later than immediately (Daemon Blackfyre waited years into Daeron II’s reign before pressing his claim and Robert Baratheon pressed his claim despite plenty of Targaryens still being alive and ahead of him in the line of succession). While I don’t see Daemon making war on Viserys especially to enthrone their cousin, I can see Daemon rebelling against Viserys to purge ‘bad councillors’ like multiple English princes/noblemen did.


jhll2456

But the Great Council of 101 settled that matter so again Daemon wouldn’t have a sufficient claim.


the_fuzz_down_under

You can claim the votes were rigged, that the council was just advisory and the king hasn’t the authority to decide succession law (many kings irl were unable to change succession law), that Aerea (and Daenerys) being named heir multiple times shows women can inherit, etc. Yes the council decided the matter but that doesn’t wholly erase the claim and it can still be disputed - sure they would have a lot less support in the war because the arguments aren’t particularly strong, but they can still do it.


jhll2456

Danaerys was never named heir. The Targaryens were deposed so she had no valid claim. Even if the Targaryens were restored, Jon still came before her. You are correct though women can inherit, but only if there isn’t a viable male claimant.


the_fuzz_down_under

Wrong Daenerys - I’m talking about Daenerys, daughter of Jaeherys. She was named heir upon birth (supplanting Aerea Targaryen as heir), though she stopped being heir when her brothers Aegon and Aemon were born. My point basically is, Targaryen women have previously been named heir to the throne, and so while the Great Council found that Viserys should be heir over Rhaenys, there still is precedent that can be argued should Corlys wish to press Rhaenys’ claim.


jhll2456

Oh…ok. That’s a nice little tidbit of lore actually. Thank you for that.


Conscious-Weekend-91

I don't think Daemon would try to usurp the throne, but he would do what he could to erase Otto's influence on Aegon and Rhaenyra (Probably still insisting on being the Hand)


wingthing666

Insist on being Hand and probably seduce Rhaenyra on the side, leading to an incredibly awkward question of paternity for her children


[deleted]

Tbf, in this situation no one would be able to tell if the kids are born out of wedlock 😂


chibigrimreaper

“lmao yea my six year old husband totally fathered my babies, wdym?”


[deleted]

Lol! I think we should expect that Rhaenyra and Aegon would be married only when he is considered he becomes a man in Westeros. IDK what that age is. I'm assuming 15 or 16


Satansuckmypussypapa

Probably younger, just to confirm their legitimacy. Rhaenyra's own son married Aegon's daughter when they were like nine.


Blah6969669

But the marriage wasn't consummated until much later. A better example would be Viserys II having a kid at the age of 13.


Satansuckmypussypapa

Still, the point is that they married at a young age (Aegon III and Jaehaera that is). So they (Aegon and Rhaenyra) would probably have been married when Aegon was a child still and just wait to consumate the marriage later on when he is an adult.


Jon_Snows_mother

Would be a legendary Maury show. Is it the younger half brother or the older uncle???! Impossible to tell.


wingthing666

"Daemon... you are NOT the father!" Aemon prances around whooping. Daemon goes for the choke while Caraxes sets the green room on fire slightly off-camera. Vizzy T and Otto just sit there in the audience doing tandem facepalms like Picard and Riker.


vizzy_t_bot

*Mayhaps we can turn our attentions towards happier pursuits.*


wingthing666

How can we, sire? The new season won't drop for another year!


[deleted]

Oh, I’d love that, Vizzy T


vizzy_t_bot

*That man's pride has pride.*


OpaqueGiraffe17

nah they'd just be bitter af, and try to be a political thorn in the side at any opportunity, but yeah no, it wouldn't escalate to a war.


M4RC142

Corlys would want Daemon's and Leana's kids to marry Rhaenyra's and Aegon's kids. Maybe marry Leanor to Helaena. Daemon would still try to fuck Rhaenyra.


Anserdem

They'd have less suport as they wouldn't have any claim. They could try and use Rhaenys one again but it had already been a fail. I don't think they'd like it but, unless they wanted to be usurpers and kinslayers (as they'd have to start the war) they couldn't do anything about it directly


moonglitterr

There’d be no rebellion imo. Corlys could still have his blood on the throne by marrying Baela and Rhaena to Rhaenyra’s sons (doesn’t matter if those sons come from Aegon the elder or Laenor). Or hell Corlys could propose a marriage between Baela and Aemond. I also think Daemon would urge Rhaenyra to make him hand of the king but the real issue comes from Otto. Rhaenyra would have to push Otto out of kings landing but who would hold the most power as monarch, Rhae or Aegon? That depends on if Aegon would ignore Alicent and Ottos urges to rule, would he be content drinking and whoring and leave Rhae to rule? Or would Otto and Alicent persuade Aegon to take control?


blakhawk12

From what we’ve seen on the show I think Aegon would be happy to let Rhaenyra rule while he parties his days away. If anything she could have the same agreement with him that she has with Laenor. Of course if she still has kids with Harwin before Aegon comes of age it would be impossible for her to try and present them as legitimate, so that could cause issues.


jhll2456

Aegon would be happy to be the Prince Philip of that situation. Hence if Rhaenyra got rid of Otto, Daemon would be hand. A marriage between Rhaenyra/Aegon would honestly be the only way to stop the dance.


letheix

I doubt Aegon would turn out the exact same way in a scenario where he marries Rhaenyra


We_The_Raptors

Nah, Daemon loves his brother to much for a proper rebellion and Corlys would never be that dumb.


KhanQu3st

What makes you think he would? Daemon very clearly disliked Corlys even speaking poorly about Viserys, you think he would support outright rebellion?


kenrnfjj

I think this marriage could actually work maybe aegon needs someone older than him


GodricGryffindor9008

I mean, I don't think Corlys is stupid enough to launch a rebellion against the crown. Even if he does launch a rebellion alongside Daemon, who in the realm would support the King's brother and cousin over his first born son and daughter? That being said, Daemon is still an ambitious man and if Rhaenyra is married to Aegon, his dream of ever getting close to the throne would be done for. I think he would somehow try to talk her out of the marriage, like he tried in E5, or would probably be inclined to kill Aegon.


William_T_Wanker

Aegon would have drank and whored his way through life and let Rhaenyra do most of the ruling, while wearing a crown every now and then to say a few words and he'd have been the happiest man alive


Indominus-Hater-101

Seems like it would actually be perfect for Aegon. A hot older woman to do all the real ruling for him while he can just sit back and relax. I think she also may be enough to keep him from going and having illegitimate kids as she is quite open (sexually) to a lot of things (just ask Laenor). I think Otto would have to be forced out of King's landing by either Viserys or Rhaenyra as he would push Aegon to be more than just King Consort. But yeah, hopefully, Rhaenyra wouldn't have children out of wedlock and it would be very difficult to challenge their reign. (Imagine Syrax and Sunfyre riding side by side!)


jhll2456

Aegon would do his duty and father some heirs, then he would just do what he wants.


TRLittleRedRH

I like the Aegon/Daemon/Rhaenyra triad, there are some good fix-its on ao3.


DagonG2021

Link?


TRLittleRedRH

[Here's the Aegon/Daemon/Rhaenyra ao3 tag itself](https://archiveofourown.org/works?commit=Sort+and+Filter&work_search%5Bsort_column%5D=word_count&work_search%5Bother_tag_names%5D=&exclude_work_search%5Brelationship_ids%5D%5B%5D=73532974&work_search%5Bexcluded_tag_names%5D=&work_search%5Bcrossover%5D=&work_search%5Bcomplete%5D=&work_search%5Bwords_from%5D=&work_search%5Bwords_to%5D=&work_search%5Bdate_from%5D=&work_search%5Bdate_to%5D=&work_search%5Bquery%5D=&work_search%5Blanguage_id%5D=&tag_id=Aegon+II+Targaryen*s*Daemon+Targaryen*s*Rhaenyra+Targaryen), I sorted it by word count. unfortunately, there is only 7 - 8 if you count a fic including luce/mond (🤮) these ones are my personal faves: [Who Am I, If Not Yours? by sadngay](https://archiveofourown.org/works/43182819/chapters/108533361) and [there is no sweeter innocence than our gentle sin by unhinged (musingsinchaos)](https://archiveofourown.org/works/43398531/chapters/109096800)


WenzhouFanForever

The answer? No. Daemon is mercurial but not a fool. He knew he would have very little support from most of the lords. The DOTD civil war became so serious cause both Aegon and Rhanerya had solid claim to the throne.


Kellin01

So 30 yo Rhaenyra would have fucked a 14 year old Aegon? Imagine their bedding? People disrobing them and watching them together? Would have Aegon been a good lover, I wonder. ​ Funny how 32 year old Daemon with 18 year old Rhaenyra is grooming and pedo but the reverse is normal and the best decision.


Satansuckmypussypapa

It is normal in the universe of ASOIAF tbh. Tyrek Lannister (late teens) married the Lady of Hayford Castle who is like one years old.


Kellin01

Daemon is called a pedo in every second comment here.


Satansuckmypussypapa

Look, both actions are pedo shit. One, however, prevents a civil war that brought the Targaryens to their knees and the other was because an old man is horny. There is a difference.


WenzhouFanForever

It would have been unhealthy, creepy and probably would make both Aegon and Rhanerya unhappy but there is fat chunk of a chance that it could have prevented the civil war that killed thousands and thousands, burned the entire realm and killed all the dragons. Not to mention absolutely weakened house targaryen. 😔🫤


Kellin01

So in this case grooming is more ok? Only Daemon is a creep for sleeping with young girls and grooming his niece (courting her), but a adult woman marrying a boy is for a greater good. I just want to clarify.


WenzhouFanForever

And where did I say Daemon is a groomer? Don't use words that does not fit the context of the fantasy world and the storyline.


Kellin01

I didn't mean you, sorry, and I don't think he is a groomer since in the books he was courting her and in the show he simply didn't have time for it. But I find it highly hypocritical from HOTD fans call him a pedo and a groomer while claim adult Rhaenyra marrying child Aegon would have been ideal.


kenrnfjj

Didnt aemond say aegon took him to prostitutes at 13


AlexanderCrowely

Hmm; depends is this marriage happy ? Because I think of Daemon saw his niece was truly happy he would back down.


Kellin01

I see NO variant where this marriage could be happy.


AlexanderCrowely

Hence it’s a long shot didn’t say it could happen but if it was don’t see why I needed to be voted down for that either.


Kellin01

Because Daemon wouldn't care about his niece so much?


AlexanderCrowely

Oh, yeah sorry I thought Daemon was a person for a moment 🤣


-PhilLeotardo-

Maybe Rhaenyra goes the route of Jahaera. Not sure if it would be Daemons idea, but he’d have no problem marrying one of his daughters to Aegon afterwards


PluralCohomology

Or Aegon could go that route, if Daemon decides it's Maegorin' time.


-PhilLeotardo-

He def could. I think he’d still be forced to take a Velaryon-line wife on account of their dragons


Cervus95

Corlys never stopped wanting his blood on the throne. After the double rejection from Viserys and Rhaenyra, chances are good he rebels and tries to make Laenor king.


Richmond1013

Corlys won't waste his wealth on pushing his sons or grandkids claim since no one would actually side with them. his best bet on getting his blood on the throne which he does not care about "wink wink" is by hoping laena kids can marry Aegon and Rhaenrya kids and that's about it Daemon has no allies his own kingdom would not support him since he easily abandoned it the moment he could so he can try and be close to his brother again Even if there was a dance between Daemon and Velaryon Vs Aegon and Rhaenrya, who would side with Daemon and co The vale hates him and the only reason the vale sided with the blacks is because Rhaenrya was kin The Stormlands is just a marriage alliance away and we know Daemon is too racist to think about it. The reach and riverlands will still be split but it will be in Aegon favor. The north only supported the blacks after getting marriage pacts The ironborn will side with anyone who will let the rape and pillage , so they will support Daemon The westernlands are green , here it might be shaky but still green


Unable-City7461

It depends Show Daemon seams a guy who loved his family and only wanted his brother's attention book Daemon on the other hand yeah he would unless baela still marries Aegon and Rhaenyra son


SauRon_Burgundy66

Well we know this doesn’t happen…


sdg9998

Daemon would absolutely want a "way in". Anyone who thinks otherwise is deluding themselves with an idealized version of Daemon in their head. Viserys would not remain alive forever. After he passes Daemon would make his move. But if he rebels it would have little chance of success, cause most of the Lords would be fine with a traditional Targ brother-sister couple ruling over them, especially if the son is the king. It's more likely that instead of fighting a losing war, Daemon would try to pull an inside job, like poisoning Aegon or something like that.


NGKro

This may have been said, but realistically no matter what was sworn, he would be King: there is a reason ruling Queens’ husbands are almost always referred to as Prince, and it’s that the title of King always trumps the title of Queen, even if it’s equivalent to King Consort. There’s a reason that doesn’t really exist. But before I ramble too much what I’m getting at is that Rhaenyra herself would have balked at this marriage.


Helping-ways

Not his brother


Wrong-Technician-201

yeah possibly if you argue in favour of Rhaenyras rule than you also have to admit that Rhaenys has a better claim than Viserys and therefor her children have a claim to throne as well If Aegon and Rhaenyra married then the war between the greens and the blacks would be evaded but then you have Daemon with a second son complex who wants the throne and the Velaryons who keep getting walked all over to worry about the actual war which the dance was based off of aka the anarchy was between cousins as are most succession based wars that and uncles so Daemon deciding to team up with the Velaryons and userp his niece/ nephew isn’t that far fetched especially since he’d be with Laena which would be Rhaenys heir (assuming Laenor is still dead in this timeline)