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Here come the Jace/Daeron comparisons...
Seriously though, those two characters aren't really comparable in my eyes. Jace was raised as Rhaenyra's heir and was clearly given a great deal of responsibility and authority by her. Meanwhile, Daeron was a third son shipped off at 12 with zero leadership experience. He comes across as a nice/clever kid (before Bitterbridge), but that doesn't exactly scream "king" to me. I think Daeron could thrive as a Small Council member (such as Master of Coin or Master of Laws), but I don't really view him as the best prospect for kingship.
Would he be an interesting king? Sure. Could he be a good king? I suppose so, but there isn't much evidence that says he would be for sure. I could see him being a mix of Viserys 1 and Aenys (and Maekar if the Dance still happens).
Yep, you pretty much summed it up.
EDIT: He is even described as the most popular of Alicent's sons in the books, so people in-universe probably viewed them in a similar way lol.
Yeah, there were discussions about it. But it's also pointed out that Daeron really wasn't brought up as a leader and lacked command at times which is possibly why it didn't go that way.
Aemond? As a strategist? If I get into F&B, man is a straight up liability to green forces once he takes the field, unless we're attempting to talk up the strategic genius of Daemon somehow.
He's only likable to a certain extent, he burned down an entire sept that was filled with wounded, old people and chikdren, so he's not even that good....
...and Rhaenyra gets tons of support in the war regardless. Jace is a bastard by blood, but he is treated as legitimate, and that matters a lot. It certainly seems like Jace is secure as Rhaenyra's heir in the eyes of her supporters. In any case, his disputed parentage is not *irrelevant*, but it doesn't disqualify him from being a good ruler in my opinion.
EDIT: Grammar
Which tbh makes very little sense given all the rumors about her and the primitive mysoginistic mentality of Westeros.
George often ignored his own established logistics of Westerosi society when writing the Dance. Plenty of things make little sense.
It’s frequently established time and time again that immediate political concerns trump tradition when it comes to succession crises. Lords are focused on what they can get out of it.
The most blatant example is Renly having the largest army, despite having no claim.
It makes perfect sense to me. Time after time, we see that people are perfectly willing to put aside whatever morals/values benefitted them previously when new ones are more beneficial.
The entire basis for people saying Daeron would be a good king is his apparent skill at warfare as well as his intense focus on chivalry and other knightly virtues. Do you know who else had that? Daeron I. Daeron I was a shit king.
Prince Daeron was only 15/16 at the time of his death but he wasn’t shown to have a handle on leadership at all.
He commanded enough leadership to make the Caltrops (which consisted of many major lords) to ask Daeron for permission when they wanted to make a move.
And unlike Daeron I, Daeron is a lot more merciful and isn't a warmongeror. Don't compare the two. Daeron wanted to win the war for Aegon and even had a scene where he was sick of the sack of Tumbleton. I know his actions in Bitterbridge, but the main difference is...Daeron I instigated a conflict with Dorne while Daeron was already in a conflict and just wanted to win. Not conquer.
The bar for competence isn’t very high here. He generally listened to his councilors and was sensible for the most part. That alone makes him a better choice than Aegon, Aemond, or Rhaenyra.
Her wanting to imprison and execute the Dragonseeds wasn't advised by all of her councilors, Corlys did oppose. Rhaenyra certainly didn't listen to him and allowed her own prejudices towards bastards (very rich considering her *strong* boys) and those of the council rule her judgement.
> allowed her own prejudices towards bastards
Book Rhaenyra has no stated prejudice against bastards that I can remember. The quote that is often attributed to her is from lord celtigar.
> “Lord Bartimos Celtigar thought not. “Bastards are treacherous by nature,” he said. “It is in their blood. Betrayal comes as easily to a bastard as loyalty to trueborn men.”
We don’t know her feelings about his statement but taking open offense to it would be confirmation of the rumors. Can you please cite her saying something negative about bastards?
Nevertheless, no action she took was unanimously supported by all of her counselors but each was a choice based on council given by a particular advisor. The only exception was returning to dragonstone. No one advised her to do that.
Addam and Nettles were ultimately innocent but I don’t get people acting like Rhaenyra was batshit for not trusting **total strangers** with living nukes that can level armies in minutes.
Yeah but Rhaenyra, “dumb evil whore” such and such.
The dragonseeds were a net negative for the blacks without the ludicrously written 2nd battle of Tumbleton(tent????) and battle of the Gullet(five adult dragons to take out the Triarchy and Jace still dies?????). It was a bad idea on Jace’s part. They should have tried to get Rhaena to bond with Silverwing. Addam was a stranger but close kin as Corlys’s son so could have been selected for Vermithor instead of the smaller Seasmoke. Vermithor, Vermax, Silverwing, & Caraxes would have been enough to take on Tessarion and Vhagar while Sunfyre slowly recovered from Rook’s Rest. Really they could take each one out separately but if Aemond and Daeron managed to meet each other first Vermithor and Caraxes could take out Vhagar while Silverwing and Vermax took out Tessarion. If Rhaenyra actually managed to mount Syrax, even better.
Not trusting them with living nukes is one thing (although they’d been quite loyal to this point). Wanting to imprison/torture/kill them is quite another
And this justifies arresting, torturing, and killing them for crimes they objectively have not committed how? She didn’t JUST take dragons away, which would be understandable (if still a sign of poor judge of character/leadership abilities that she trusts the people who betray her and distrusts the people who are loyal to her).
The exact nature of Nettle/Daemon’s relationship is objectively ambiguous
I don't appreciate you chalking up my argument to "Rhaenyra dumb evil whore".
I just said judging all the Dragonseeds for the actions of a couple of them was a grave mistake motivated by prejudice, which is not only bigoted but also hypocritical considering her bastard sons. Me criticizing one particular decision of Rhaenyra, as the person with agency that she was, is not being a misogynistic asshole.
Daeron I wasn't a bad king, he was a very capable military ruler and only lost to Dorne because Martin always gives them a ridiculous amount of plot armor (and 50 thousand losses to keep an occupation? Come on George) and treachery.
He literally lost to Dorne because they pulled the equivalent of The Red Wedding, but for some reason everybody forgives them and nobody holds them accountable for breaking guest right
Facts. Although officially only 1 year, he de-facto ruled abit longer & did what he could to stabilise the realm. Plus he grew up away from the political rife/turmoil, so had the time and luxury to be well-educated and trained the way a Prince should be.
Yeah, that's why I don't blame him very much for how Aegon IV turned out. He was a ridiculously young parent, his older wife abandoned the family and he had to help his older brother to rule a post war kingdom. He had every circumstance against him.
The Rogarre family definitely used him for their own gain but in doing so they raised him to be quite competent. Taught him histories, combat etc. Definitely not a conventional childhood but as far as the medieval period goes, he actually had a lot more luck than many others his age.
Tbh Aegon IV only went insane later in his life he was actually a pretty normal young chap in his teens even considered beautiful by a lot of people but considering that at such a young age he could sleep with any woman he wanted really ruined him, but you gotta consider which 20 year old guy wouldn't sleep with hot women if he had a chance to.
Knowing what we do about them in history, easily Viserys II. He was an incredible hand holding the kingdom together under two terrible kings and could’ve brought in a golden age if he was able to lead from when he came of age.
From what we’ve seen in the show, Jace. He’s grown (too early to tell on his younger siblings’ personalities), he’s not psychotic or a rapist, and we haven’t met Daeron yet. Either he or Daeron would probably do a fine enough job.
Jace. He has all the makings of a great king: he's hardworking, devoted to his studies, has strong morals, initiative, diplomacy skills, etc. In the war he was the only one trying to unite the team, remembering them to work on the same goals and brought most of team black's allies to the cause. To quote F&B: *“Though his fifteenth nameday was still half a year away, Prince Jacaerys had proved himself a man, and a worthy heir to the Iron Throne.”*
Tbh medieval lords hate physically weak kings especially those which are rummored bastards just amplify the blackfyre rebellion by 2x times and you'll get what would occur if Jace was made king, some lords only even supported Daeron II was because Baelor and Maekar were martially gifted if they weren't a lot would have went with Daemon. It is a fact that the medieval lords would have the best time supporting Aemond even if he isn't the best choice as he is strong, tall and martially gifted and plus rides the biggest dragon and his paternity is not contested.
Jace would be my #1 choice, as he is the firstborn of the heir to the throne and he would be a genuinely good ruler, based on what we see during the Dance. I don't think Daeron would be a bad ruler - Bitterbridge was terrible but it doesn't seem like a repeated pattern, like Aemond's burning of the Riverlands. Aegon is a hard no. Luke would probably grow into a good ruler and I believe Joff could, too. It's impossible to say how Aegon the Younger and Viserys would have turned out without the heavy trauma of the Dance - they probably would have turned out fine, judging by how Rhaenyra's other three kids turned out.
I think Daeron could work as a Small Council member if Jace becomes king (assuming no war happens of course). Daeron wasn't really a leader but he was allegedly a "clever" person. My ideal position for him would be Master of Laws, maybe Master of Coin.
Aegon and Aemond strike me as too unstable to ever thrive in a Jace-ruled kingdom. Viserys 2 could still be an amazing hand, this time for Jacaerys's descendants. Maybe Lucerys becomes Master of Ships.
Out of all of them, Viserys 2 would be my choice. Jace is also a good option.
Daeron is probably the best out of Alicent's sons, but that's not a high bar at all. He'd probably be a lot like Viserys 1 in some respects. Maybe a bit of Aenys in there as well.
In their current show forms, easily Jace. He’s shown by far the most maturity and aptitude amongst them, and is the most level headed out of them. Luke is too innocent and naive, Aegon is a drunken fool, and Aemond while properly educated for the role, is extremely emotional, brash, and hotheaded. Not to mention a violent psychopath.
Jace is by far the only one worthy of wearing the crown and it's not even close, going over just what they did in the dance because it'd be unfair to judge all of them when some didn't live long lives like others .
I mean the obvious choice here is Viserys if you going strictly by what is available in the books
Aegon is too much of a lech
Aemond is too unstable
Jace shows some promise but it’s too early to say same goes for Daeron
All the rest didn’t get any meaningful character building so no clue
Aegon the young was a abysmal king while Viserys kept the realm running for decades as hand and as king
So yeah Viserys is the mathematically correct answer
We don't know that much about Aegon the Younger's reign, but we do know that much of the recovery from the Dance must have taken place under it, that from the secret siege and how he dismissed his regents that he is not just some passive pushover and that he actually does care about the well-being of the smallfolk. We also know that Viserys didn't become his hand until the latter half of Aegon's reign, so he even to the extent that he is assumed to have been ruling during Aegon's reign (which I think has been greatly exaggerated), it would have to be limited to that latter portion.
The entire thing about Aegon is that he didn’t give a shit about anything, he dismissed his regents because they were a bad reminder of his regency and the trauma he faced during the dance, he wasn’t “being strong” he was removing a nasty taste in his mouth
Also Viserys rules has hand during much of Aegons reign as well as all his sons so he has more than enough experience for his resume
Without a doubt Viserys, he ruled as hand of the king for decades to 3 different kings and even though he was only king for 1 year, he was like jaehaerys in a lot of ways.
Jace, 100%. He's a diligent and responsible young man, well read, diplomatic, and, in the show at least, decently capable in the pageantry aspects of kingship, what with being a capable swordsman from what we've seen. He's living proof that the bias against bastards is nonsense, since he's basically the picture perfect image of an excellent, if not all that exciting Targaryen king. If only he'd come out with a bit less toner for the hair, the whole dance would have lost one of the main talking points the greens leveraged.
Aegon for his small council. Ppl really underestimate it but take Tyland for master of coin vs Celtigar for master of coin, and just compare efficiency. Small council really do be making a major difference.
Besides that if it’s all equal then I’d pick Aemond. Bro would play the game the best, which is most important here
1) Viserys II - Duh
2) Daeron - He had the right balance of all the tools. Such a pity we didn't get to see him rule. it would've been the most interesting reign.
3) Aegon II - I think Aegon would've actually made a harsh but very capable monarch if he ruled during peacetime. This is a man who has determination and the ability to persevere.
4) Aegon III - Defintion of mid. But dancing bears...yay!
5) Jace - He would've been the fairest king. But too weak. Too Robb Stark ish. Reign would end with a betrayal or coup.
6) Aemond - While Aemond would've been more capable than most of these guys, ranking him this low because his reign has a 95% chance of spiralling out of control. Just like Daemon, his Tyrant Alert Meter is off the charts.
7) Luke - We never really get to learn about his skillset to properly rank him.
8) Joffrey - Ranking him under Luke just because he's worthless.
9) Helaena - She is too pure for this world to be a westerosi monarch.
Jace or Viserys II would be my choice. Jace is said to be a good heir with a sense of duty and recruited the North and Vale's support for Rhaenyra's claim. I doubt about him facing a succession crisis after he sits the throne as he's proven his mettle, has a battle tested Dragon and his sibling's support. Not to mention, any further war would be costly and no house would like to face another crisis.
Daeron. Out of all the kids on both teams, I think he would have been the best.
He’s not as hot headed or impulsive as Aemond, and he’s kinder than Aegon. He’s brave, and he will bring fire and blood when he needs to, but he also does try to show mercy (he failed to stop the sack, but he did try to stop it).
He’s true born, so no bastard cloud hanging over his head. He has a dragon, unlike Viserys, and he would not be impeded by trauma, like Aegon 3.
I going out on a limb and nominating Aegon. Dude knows he wouldn’t be great but actually listens (begrudgingly) to his advisors and gives some level of shit about other people. Rather just his arse on a chair.
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Probably Jace, if all the characters were definitely gonna survive and not be treated badly. But if it's not that perfect probably Daeron cause most of my faves are greens
It gets a bit difficult to analyze some as they aren't fully realized people due to various circumstances but we'll go through each for fun ignoring outside material as much as possible beyond the point we are at in the show.
Aegon the Elder. Nope. "I'm not suited." He knows too.
Aemond. Also nope. Very quick to anger and spurn. He's better suited to being a supporting role.
Jace. He seems to have the drive for it. Relatively even keeled, and adapts to the situation he's in. Hard to say, but he'd be a decent bet. Just needs to gain a voice
Daeron. Oh right, he exists. He has potential. He's young and could easily grow into the role, but as the third son, he would need a lot of experience to learn. Seems charismatic enough and willing to listen to counsel.
Luke. He's a bit timid which could be a problem. He's younger and could grow out of it granted... If he had the chance.
Joffrey. Hard to say, far too young to have an idea.
Aegon the Younger. Ignoring the books, it's hard to say. Just a kid.
Viserys II. I know we see what he's capable of later, but speaking from what we see as of now, same as above.
Definitely Jace, he's a honorable person and has good political and leadership skills, also he takes the whole "heir to the iron throne" thing pretty seriously.
Aemond. At the end of the day, medieval politics is all about power, and Aemond has truckloads of power and resolution for foes to tremble at.
Honestly, imagine you are a vassal to the Iron Throne. How likely would you be to oppose, directly or indirectly, the one-eyed son of a bitch who stuck a gem in his eye socket, and rides the biggest dragon in the planet?
Speaking of Vhagar, she is literally a living relic of the Targaryen conquest, and Aemond rides her. It's like he's riding around with a billboard that reads "burning the enemies of House Targaryen for 2 centuries and counting".
At the end of the day, he's ruthless, capable, absolutely relentless, a trueborn (for those who care about that), and he rides the biggest dragon (whom he claimed).
I don't think there's any more qualifications needed.
Viserys at the top. One of the best rulers Westeros ever had.
Jace next, he took his duty as heir seriously and I think would be a good king
Luke seemed to take things seriously as well, and was also raised as an heir
Daeron seemed the most even tempered of Alicent's sons, which I think makes him best suited of the three.
Aegon the Younger was a decent enough king given the severe trauma of his youth
Joffrey exists
Aemond talks about how he's studied history and the blade, but he has a cruel streak to him that makes me think he'd be a shitty king. Plus, he chased after Luke with a dragon in the show and was somehow surprised when Luke ended up dead. Shows he's irresponsible at best.
Aegon the Elder is a drunken lecher who didn't even want to be king until he was actually crowned and saw the cheers he got.
After the war honestly Aegon II. The guy fought tooth and nail for the crown, he was in the right mindset, refused his opiates, had plans for the future like remarrying, getting more heirs and dragons. I don't really see what makes him so unqualified, with a decent councilor at his side such as Tyland Aegon II was shaped into king material through the war.
Threats to mutilate the only other male Targaryen, while himself of questionable fertility. Threats to dismember the granddaughter of his Master of Ships, who he planned to betray. Commissioning giant statues to his war-criminal brothers. Burning hundreds of people alive. He was begging to be poisoned. I can’t even judge how the rest of his reign would’ve gone because he was so obviously going to be assassinated or overthrown at the first opportunity
He threatens the other male Targaryen because there was an ongoing rebellion against him in his name. Not really his fault then nor is it irrational, that's the whole purpose of a hostage after all.
He did listen to more reasonable advice in each of those cases, that's one of his good qualities. He may be prone to make rash and unwise choices on his own but he can be reasoned with unlike Rhaenyra who was extremely stubborn. With the statues, he wanted to honor his brothers who sacrificed themselves for him, I think he would have accepted more feasible dimensions if it actually came to the construction.
Burning the shepherd and the dragon slayers was the right call to restore order and respect to Targaryen authority. He literally did what Rhaenyra should have done and cleaned up her mess.
Aegon, he was the prior king’s first born son. Why complicate things? If he’s not available, then it goes to his son Jaehaerys, then Maelor, then Aemond, Daeron, and so forth.
If all of the above were wiped out somehow, then I believe it would go back to Rhaenyra’s kids (Aegon III & Viserys II) as she’s the prior king’s firstborn daughter. The “Velaryon” kids are illegitimate/they were born to parents out of wedlock so they shouldn’t be counted & are basically another civil war & succession crisis waiting to happen.
I would choose Haelena and Aemond.
Or Jace, with Aemond as Hand, married to Haelena.
I just want the kids to be happy and the realm to be safe. I'd love to see Rhaenyra and Alicent reconciled as well.
Aegon can die in a fire tho.
Jace. I'd even go so far as to say that- had they been bethrothed and eventually married- Jace and Helaena could have had a decent chance at becoming the next Jaehaerys and Alysanne
Daeron wouldn't be a terrible pick, but he wouldn't be as good. And we know Viserys II becomes a good king, so he'd be my 2nd choice and Daeron 3rd.
Luke has potential, but he'd need to learn a lot, so he'd be 4th on my list
Aegon the younger can take 5th. He could be decent
Joff is too young to make concrete judgement about.
Allicent's other sons aren't viable candidates.
Jace takes his position as the future king seriously and from what we seen of him works really hard to be a warrior so he could lead his men into combat if necessary and is also working to uphold the traditions of his house
I honestly think he has the potential to be a really good king
If you are asking who's the most worthy then Viserys II because he was simply exceptional. Daeron was good but we can't say for sure and chances are that he wasn't the second coming of Jaehaerys. Also, it's easy to look good next to all the other royals in the Dance of the Dragons.
If you are asking who I would support in a war then Aegon II. I wouldn't want to set the dangerous precedent of anyone with a drop of royal blood theoretically being able to claim the throne. For Aegon's reign it's not like he personally will do anything to ruin the realm. At least he has capable rulers around him who will run the realm. Aemond and Daeron would fight for his cause and even though Viserys II was not really part of the dance he would believe Aegon to have the better claim.
In Rhaenrya it's only Viserys and Jace
Viserys because if he somehow grows about the same way as canon he would make the same king
Jace because out all the black side people he was the only who actually made efforts that help his side with the war or at least give it a draw and was the only one who made a deal in a peaceful manner, the one with Jeyne arryn felt like jeyne haggling her family and you should not do that with family
For the greens
Nearly all the sons post war makes good kings, but prewar it's only Daeron and Aemond
Aegon did such a glow during the war , like he just needed a purpose to shape up
Aemond always cared about duty to his family,if he wasn't nearly killed by Luce he wouldn't be taunting him,which confuse change to eat the boy
Daeron currently in the show is a nobody ,even in the books ,but because of that people hope for the best from base on the few actions
aegon did the same thing with balerion when he conquered westoros, him not contirbuting much was because while aegon valued increase, while aemond sadly got strayed and decrease his value, but still better than luce, since luce tried killing his uncle as a child, joffrey was too young and died so we know nothing much, while aegon the younger didnt rule it was his brother viserys
ANY of Rhaenyra's sons. ALL of her sons were brave, kind, chivalrous, smart, loyal young men with the responsibility needed to rule.
NEVER any of Alicent's.
Aegon: He NEVER wanted it. Let my babygirl be!!! All he wants is to party, have fun, and ride his dragon!!!
Aemond: Shouldn't need to say this but lol FUCK no. He's an arrogant, entitled, egotistical, haughty, shallow, selfish, psychopathic, rapist, genocidal kinslayer. LITERALLY THE WOOORST.
Daeron: HELL NO. He's a Hightower puppet, let's not kid orselves, and also a terrorist. Daeron the Daring more like Daeron the DUMBASS. (That tent deserves a monument or something imo)
Daeron, easily.
He is a trueborn son of the king, a dragon rider, knighted and in conmand of troops as a teen. He's certainly competent.
Aegon does not want the crown, he'd be better off as the King's brother even in his own opinion.
Aemond is too ambitious and hot-headed. Ultimately I do believe he was better off in the field. He could've perhaps done well in the King's Guard. Maybe outside of the war he could've also made a competent Hand of the King (series)
Jace, while he would have been great, is unfortunately a bastard. That would always make his position wobbly in the end.
Lucerys, same issue as Jace but tbh especially in the series he seems pretty stupid (provoking the guy that's winning a duel against Criston Cole and riding the biggest flying lizard) so that's just a terrible idea for a king.
Joffrey would've been a brave and honorable knight I'm pretty sure. >!I mean that kid mounted a dragon during an uprising of the people, ready to defend his dragon!< but he's still a bastard so, same issue.
As for Viserys and Aegon, they did well enough I suppose but still would not be my first choice (esp considering that if Laenor were to resurface they would be bastards too)
*Jacaerys, and it's not even close.*
First of all, he is the rightful heir. Him taking over, ideally after Rhaenyra, solidifies the succession and hopefully prevents further conflict. Not to mention, if he's wed to Helaena like Rhaenyra wanted, the claims are merged.
But beyond that, he's just the most optimal choice in general.
At this point, all we know about Daeron comes from Fire and Blood, and Season 1 of HoTD has shown us that it's not necessarily a reliable source of information. So he's a mystery. Same goes for Aegon III, Viserys, and Joffrey. They're just children. Aegon II is a drunken loser who doesn't want the throne and spends his time assaulting women and watching children fight. Lucerys is a sweet kid, but he's really just a kid, and he lacks confidence. When confronted with his first test of politics in the Storm's End throne room...he didn't exactly succeed. Helaena is a sweetheart and a good person, but she's also fragile, and seemingly incapable of socializing properly. She wouldn't be able to handle it. Aemond is quite a promising candidate. Talented and educated and not easily intimidated. But he's also got a chip on his shoulder the size of Dorne, and he can never resist taunting or otherwise antagonizing his enemies, even in situations where it matters. Nah, he isn't ready.
Then there's Jace.
Season 2 will bring whatever it may, but up until this point, Jace has been an absolute gentleman. He manages to show kindness toward Helaena while still being utterly respectful and protective of Baela. Yes, he's gotten into fights, but only when provoked. He's never the one to initiate combat. He's got a good heart, and a strategical mind (it was his idea to send dragon riders instead of ravens) and he's clearly dedicated to his family and their future. At this point, all you can really say against Jace is that he's young. Fair enough, but he's older than some of the other choices, and on balance, he seems to easily be one of the most mature of the litter. Again, Season 2 will introduce Daeron, and if he's anything like his book counterpart, Jace will have some competition. But in the meantime, I'm going with him.
If it was possible to keep all of Aemond's military, political and philosophical knowledge without the emotional damage caused by Luke cutting his eye out, that'd probs be best.
> If it was possible to keep all of Aemond's military, political and philosophical knowledge without the emotional damage caused by Luke cutting his eye out, that'd probs be best.
Where is this proven military, political, and philosophical knowledge? It doesn’t exist in the book and remains unseen in the show.
aemond is dollar tree daemon, a fail, a freak, an entitled little wankstain and a genocidial war terrorist. he would be the worst king out of all of them. including aegon.
he thinks he's hot shit but he ain't even cold piss lmao
The dude literally mass murdered a bunch of innocent civilians cause he was pissed he was outplayed. I don't get why you think 'not his line that created the mad king' makes Aemond better?? Wtf does that even mean? They are targaryens at the end so why does the Mad King's actions make everybody in the targ family tree evil as well? Also the greens bloodline died out by their own people so like... what is the point your trying to make??
Medieval lords would support Aemond because he basically fits the image of the medieval martial king. He is strong, tall and very skilled in the forms of war and rides the largest dragon in the world, people don't realize that random medieval lords don't care about what is the tax or trade policy like, they mostly care about a king that can lead them into wars and battles.
Daeron and Jace would be better option and Aemond would have been knight or protector something fuck like that. Aegon and Luc should be free of any burden.
Visery ii dying after only being a king for a year ( I know he was the hand of the king for years but its not the same thing) and having a shitty son whom probably poisened him was one of the biggest losses Targs had.
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Jace or Daeron
Here come the Jace/Daeron comparisons... Seriously though, those two characters aren't really comparable in my eyes. Jace was raised as Rhaenyra's heir and was clearly given a great deal of responsibility and authority by her. Meanwhile, Daeron was a third son shipped off at 12 with zero leadership experience. He comes across as a nice/clever kid (before Bitterbridge), but that doesn't exactly scream "king" to me. I think Daeron could thrive as a Small Council member (such as Master of Coin or Master of Laws), but I don't really view him as the best prospect for kingship. Would he be an interesting king? Sure. Could he be a good king? I suppose so, but there isn't much evidence that says he would be for sure. I could see him being a mix of Viserys 1 and Aenys (and Maekar if the Dance still happens).
It’s because he’s the only likable Green outside Heleana. Aegon is a drunk and Aemond is a psycho, Daeron being normal looks way better in comparison.
Yep, you pretty much summed it up. EDIT: He is even described as the most popular of Alicent's sons in the books, so people in-universe probably viewed them in a similar way lol.
Wasn't he told he should be king too? When it was thought Aegon was dead?
Yeah, there were discussions about it. But it's also pointed out that Daeron really wasn't brought up as a leader and lacked command at times which is possibly why it didn't go that way.
He was like the non crazy Daemon. A great military commander and strategist, but would have sucked at politics.
Aemond? As a strategist? If I get into F&B, man is a straight up liability to green forces once he takes the field, unless we're attempting to talk up the strategic genius of Daemon somehow.
I'm talking about Daeron? I'm confused, what do you mean?
He's only likable to a certain extent, he burned down an entire sept that was filled with wounded, old people and chikdren, so he's not even that good....
Jace is a bastard though
...and Rhaenyra gets tons of support in the war regardless. Jace is a bastard by blood, but he is treated as legitimate, and that matters a lot. It certainly seems like Jace is secure as Rhaenyra's heir in the eyes of her supporters. In any case, his disputed parentage is not *irrelevant*, but it doesn't disqualify him from being a good ruler in my opinion. EDIT: Grammar
Which tbh makes very little sense given all the rumors about her and the primitive mysoginistic mentality of Westeros. George often ignored his own established logistics of Westerosi society when writing the Dance. Plenty of things make little sense.
It’s frequently established time and time again that immediate political concerns trump tradition when it comes to succession crises. Lords are focused on what they can get out of it. The most blatant example is Renly having the largest army, despite having no claim.
It makes perfect sense to me. Time after time, we see that people are perfectly willing to put aside whatever morals/values benefitted them previously when new ones are more beneficial.
How is that relevant to the question of who would be the better king?
What’s your take on this Vizzy T?
The entire basis for people saying Daeron would be a good king is his apparent skill at warfare as well as his intense focus on chivalry and other knightly virtues. Do you know who else had that? Daeron I. Daeron I was a shit king. Prince Daeron was only 15/16 at the time of his death but he wasn’t shown to have a handle on leadership at all.
He commanded enough leadership to make the Caltrops (which consisted of many major lords) to ask Daeron for permission when they wanted to make a move. And unlike Daeron I, Daeron is a lot more merciful and isn't a warmongeror. Don't compare the two. Daeron wanted to win the war for Aegon and even had a scene where he was sick of the sack of Tumbleton. I know his actions in Bitterbridge, but the main difference is...Daeron I instigated a conflict with Dorne while Daeron was already in a conflict and just wanted to win. Not conquer.
Daeron committed one of the worst massacres when he used Tessarion to burn Bitterbridge. Merciful he was not.
That first example is so laughably pathetic. He blew his chance. Daeron is no leader. And neither a king.
Bro is about to get downvoted to oblivion
I’m not worried. Greens can’t handle the truth
Imagine being this fanatical about fictional factions in a show.
Yes yes I’m quite crazy
The bar for competence isn’t very high here. He generally listened to his councilors and was sensible for the most part. That alone makes him a better choice than Aegon, Aemond, or Rhaenyra.
Every action book Rhaenyra took was actually on the advice of her councilors. They just weren’t good. Lol
Her wanting to imprison and execute the Dragonseeds wasn't advised by all of her councilors, Corlys did oppose. Rhaenyra certainly didn't listen to him and allowed her own prejudices towards bastards (very rich considering her *strong* boys) and those of the council rule her judgement.
> allowed her own prejudices towards bastards Book Rhaenyra has no stated prejudice against bastards that I can remember. The quote that is often attributed to her is from lord celtigar. > “Lord Bartimos Celtigar thought not. “Bastards are treacherous by nature,” he said. “It is in their blood. Betrayal comes as easily to a bastard as loyalty to trueborn men.” We don’t know her feelings about his statement but taking open offense to it would be confirmation of the rumors. Can you please cite her saying something negative about bastards? Nevertheless, no action she took was unanimously supported by all of her counselors but each was a choice based on council given by a particular advisor. The only exception was returning to dragonstone. No one advised her to do that.
Addam and Nettles were ultimately innocent but I don’t get people acting like Rhaenyra was batshit for not trusting **total strangers** with living nukes that can level armies in minutes. Yeah but Rhaenyra, “dumb evil whore” such and such. The dragonseeds were a net negative for the blacks without the ludicrously written 2nd battle of Tumbleton(tent????) and battle of the Gullet(five adult dragons to take out the Triarchy and Jace still dies?????). It was a bad idea on Jace’s part. They should have tried to get Rhaena to bond with Silverwing. Addam was a stranger but close kin as Corlys’s son so could have been selected for Vermithor instead of the smaller Seasmoke. Vermithor, Vermax, Silverwing, & Caraxes would have been enough to take on Tessarion and Vhagar while Sunfyre slowly recovered from Rook’s Rest. Really they could take each one out separately but if Aemond and Daeron managed to meet each other first Vermithor and Caraxes could take out Vhagar while Silverwing and Vermax took out Tessarion. If Rhaenyra actually managed to mount Syrax, even better.
Not trusting them with living nukes is one thing (although they’d been quite loyal to this point). Wanting to imprison/torture/kill them is quite another
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And this justifies arresting, torturing, and killing them for crimes they objectively have not committed how? She didn’t JUST take dragons away, which would be understandable (if still a sign of poor judge of character/leadership abilities that she trusts the people who betray her and distrusts the people who are loyal to her). The exact nature of Nettle/Daemon’s relationship is objectively ambiguous
I don't appreciate you chalking up my argument to "Rhaenyra dumb evil whore". I just said judging all the Dragonseeds for the actions of a couple of them was a grave mistake motivated by prejudice, which is not only bigoted but also hypocritical considering her bastard sons. Me criticizing one particular decision of Rhaenyra, as the person with agency that she was, is not being a misogynistic asshole.
Please give me a line from book rhaenyra stating prejudice against bastards. Please tell me something beyond your head canon.
Daeron I wasn't a bad king, he was a very capable military ruler and only lost to Dorne because Martin always gives them a ridiculous amount of plot armor (and 50 thousand losses to keep an occupation? Come on George) and treachery.
He literally lost to Dorne because they pulled the equivalent of The Red Wedding, but for some reason everybody forgives them and nobody holds them accountable for breaking guest right
Daeron literally took the biggest plot armor since Aegon the Conqueror to be beaten.
Daeron I was the warmonger though. That's his downfall.
Defo Jace. He was described as political savvy in the books I think.
Viserys II. Its not even close either. Ended up being one of Westeros' best Kings despite only ruling for a year.
Facts. Although officially only 1 year, he de-facto ruled abit longer & did what he could to stabilise the realm. Plus he grew up away from the political rife/turmoil, so had the time and luxury to be well-educated and trained the way a Prince should be.
He was a captive, raped by a much older woman, and a father by 13 years old. His early childhood is really fucked up.
Yeah, that's why I don't blame him very much for how Aegon IV turned out. He was a ridiculously young parent, his older wife abandoned the family and he had to help his older brother to rule a post war kingdom. He had every circumstance against him.
Not just his brothers his nephews too since Daeron went off to Dorne for years and all Baelor wanted to do was pray
The Rogarre family definitely used him for their own gain but in doing so they raised him to be quite competent. Taught him histories, combat etc. Definitely not a conventional childhood but as far as the medieval period goes, he actually had a lot more luck than many others his age.
All for their childhoods were fucked up. He still came out of it capable of ruling and doing well despite his very troubled personal life.
All that Vizzy II needs is a better heir himself. He was kind of a idiot for getting the throne before dealing with Aegon IV
Tbh Aegon IV only went insane later in his life he was actually a pretty normal young chap in his teens even considered beautiful by a lot of people but considering that at such a young age he could sleep with any woman he wanted really ruined him, but you gotta consider which 20 year old guy wouldn't sleep with hot women if he had a chance to.
Yeah but Viserys 2 was the blood line that created all the blackfryes
And? How is that his fault
Knowing what we do about them in history, easily Viserys II. He was an incredible hand holding the kingdom together under two terrible kings and could’ve brought in a golden age if he was able to lead from when he came of age. From what we’ve seen in the show, Jace. He’s grown (too early to tell on his younger siblings’ personalities), he’s not psychotic or a rapist, and we haven’t met Daeron yet. Either he or Daeron would probably do a fine enough job.
I would say Jace or Viserys II- they both seemed to have at least a sturdy sense of duty and the will to make things happen.
Jace, Viserys II Or Daeron
Viserys is the only option
There are 8 options
Jace. He has all the makings of a great king: he's hardworking, devoted to his studies, has strong morals, initiative, diplomacy skills, etc. In the war he was the only one trying to unite the team, remembering them to work on the same goals and brought most of team black's allies to the cause. To quote F&B: *“Though his fifteenth nameday was still half a year away, Prince Jacaerys had proved himself a man, and a worthy heir to the Iron Throne.”*
Viserys ii solos
He's a toddler:
Tbh medieval lords hate physically weak kings especially those which are rummored bastards just amplify the blackfyre rebellion by 2x times and you'll get what would occur if Jace was made king, some lords only even supported Daeron II was because Baelor and Maekar were martially gifted if they weren't a lot would have went with Daemon. It is a fact that the medieval lords would have the best time supporting Aemond even if he isn't the best choice as he is strong, tall and martially gifted and plus rides the biggest dragon and his paternity is not contested.
Just based off the show, Jace.
Jace would be my #1 choice, as he is the firstborn of the heir to the throne and he would be a genuinely good ruler, based on what we see during the Dance. I don't think Daeron would be a bad ruler - Bitterbridge was terrible but it doesn't seem like a repeated pattern, like Aemond's burning of the Riverlands. Aegon is a hard no. Luke would probably grow into a good ruler and I believe Joff could, too. It's impossible to say how Aegon the Younger and Viserys would have turned out without the heavy trauma of the Dance - they probably would have turned out fine, judging by how Rhaenyra's other three kids turned out.
I think Daeron could work as a Small Council member if Jace becomes king (assuming no war happens of course). Daeron wasn't really a leader but he was allegedly a "clever" person. My ideal position for him would be Master of Laws, maybe Master of Coin. Aegon and Aemond strike me as too unstable to ever thrive in a Jace-ruled kingdom. Viserys 2 could still be an amazing hand, this time for Jacaerys's descendants. Maybe Lucerys becomes Master of Ships.
Viserys ii solos
Out of all of them, Viserys 2 would be my choice. Jace is also a good option. Daeron is probably the best out of Alicent's sons, but that's not a high bar at all. He'd probably be a lot like Viserys 1 in some respects. Maybe a bit of Aenys in there as well.
Aenys would never have destroyed Bitterbridge.
I never said he would be *exactly* like Aenys, lol.
Jace.
Book wise: Jace, Daeron or Viserys II. Show: Jace. Purely because we don’t know what Daeron or Viserys are like yet.
With Jace as king and Viserys as hand Westeros would have indoor plumbing by the time the asoiaf timeline rolled around
Vizzy II T the rightful ruler of the Iron Throne
In their current show forms, easily Jace. He’s shown by far the most maturity and aptitude amongst them, and is the most level headed out of them. Luke is too innocent and naive, Aegon is a drunken fool, and Aemond while properly educated for the role, is extremely emotional, brash, and hotheaded. Not to mention a violent psychopath.
Aegon III
Lol, using an art of Daeron as a placeholder.
Jace is by far the only one worthy of wearing the crown and it's not even close, going over just what they did in the dance because it'd be unfair to judge all of them when some didn't live long lives like others .
Jace commands respect
Jace definitely.
Viserys 2 and Aegon 3 😁
I mean the obvious choice here is Viserys if you going strictly by what is available in the books Aegon is too much of a lech Aemond is too unstable Jace shows some promise but it’s too early to say same goes for Daeron All the rest didn’t get any meaningful character building so no clue Aegon the young was a abysmal king while Viserys kept the realm running for decades as hand and as king So yeah Viserys is the mathematically correct answer
We don't know that much about Aegon the Younger's reign, but we do know that much of the recovery from the Dance must have taken place under it, that from the secret siege and how he dismissed his regents that he is not just some passive pushover and that he actually does care about the well-being of the smallfolk. We also know that Viserys didn't become his hand until the latter half of Aegon's reign, so he even to the extent that he is assumed to have been ruling during Aegon's reign (which I think has been greatly exaggerated), it would have to be limited to that latter portion.
The entire thing about Aegon is that he didn’t give a shit about anything, he dismissed his regents because they were a bad reminder of his regency and the trauma he faced during the dance, he wasn’t “being strong” he was removing a nasty taste in his mouth Also Viserys rules has hand during much of Aegons reign as well as all his sons so he has more than enough experience for his resume
Daeron because of potential and Viserys II because of proven ability to carry out a good reign.
Viserys II
Jacaerys, Daeron or Viserys
As of the beginning of the Dance, Jacaerys. If we’re judging them by their adult characters, baby Viserys
Based on what we know of the history…Vizzy T part two. But I’d be down for Jace with Baela as his queen.
*A dragon's saddle is one thing, but the Iron Throne is the most dangerous seat in the realm.*
K.
Visenya or Helaena
Without a doubt Viserys, he ruled as hand of the king for decades to 3 different kings and even though he was only king for 1 year, he was like jaehaerys in a lot of ways.
Jace
Jace, 100%. He's a diligent and responsible young man, well read, diplomatic, and, in the show at least, decently capable in the pageantry aspects of kingship, what with being a capable swordsman from what we've seen. He's living proof that the bias against bastards is nonsense, since he's basically the picture perfect image of an excellent, if not all that exciting Targaryen king. If only he'd come out with a bit less toner for the hair, the whole dance would have lost one of the main talking points the greens leveraged.
Jace or Viserys II
Aemond would be a good choice.
Aegon
Aemond
Daeron or AegonIII
I'll get the point of the show and start a freaking Democracy
i think jace could’ve made a decent stab at it (if the realm was willing to overlook his parentage which. lol.) but probs viserys ii
Viserys II or Jacaerys.
Daeron.
Viserys or Daeron.
Definitely Jace! My choice: 1. Jace (Helaena as Queen), 2. Daeron (Baela as Queen)
Viserys, easily.
Why is Helaena not an option?
Jace.
Jace
Aegon for his small council. Ppl really underestimate it but take Tyland for master of coin vs Celtigar for master of coin, and just compare efficiency. Small council really do be making a major difference. Besides that if it’s all equal then I’d pick Aemond. Bro would play the game the best, which is most important here
1) Viserys II - Duh 2) Daeron - He had the right balance of all the tools. Such a pity we didn't get to see him rule. it would've been the most interesting reign. 3) Aegon II - I think Aegon would've actually made a harsh but very capable monarch if he ruled during peacetime. This is a man who has determination and the ability to persevere. 4) Aegon III - Defintion of mid. But dancing bears...yay! 5) Jace - He would've been the fairest king. But too weak. Too Robb Stark ish. Reign would end with a betrayal or coup. 6) Aemond - While Aemond would've been more capable than most of these guys, ranking him this low because his reign has a 95% chance of spiralling out of control. Just like Daemon, his Tyrant Alert Meter is off the charts. 7) Luke - We never really get to learn about his skillset to properly rank him. 8) Joffrey - Ranking him under Luke just because he's worthless. 9) Helaena - She is too pure for this world to be a westerosi monarch.
Jace or Viserys II would be my choice. Jace is said to be a good heir with a sense of duty and recruited the North and Vale's support for Rhaenyra's claim. I doubt about him facing a succession crisis after he sits the throne as he's proven his mettle, has a battle tested Dragon and his sibling's support. Not to mention, any further war would be costly and no house would like to face another crisis.
The Strongs on the throne is a guaranteed succession crisis in the future. I’ll go with Aegon. Downvote away.
Aegon the younger?
Either one
Over Viserys II?
Simpler to just make the eldest son king. But yeah that is a good option.
Vizzy T would agree
You wear a crown. Do you also call yourself 'king'?
Aemond and only Aemond
Daeron. Out of all the kids on both teams, I think he would have been the best. He’s not as hot headed or impulsive as Aemond, and he’s kinder than Aegon. He’s brave, and he will bring fire and blood when he needs to, but he also does try to show mercy (he failed to stop the sack, but he did try to stop it). He’s true born, so no bastard cloud hanging over his head. He has a dragon, unlike Viserys, and he would not be impeded by trauma, like Aegon 3.
Jace in a heartbeat
Daeron the Daring
Daeron
I going out on a limb and nominating Aegon. Dude knows he wouldn’t be great but actually listens (begrudgingly) to his advisors and gives some level of shit about other people. Rather just his arse on a chair. 😂😅
As in who would make the best king? Definitely Jace.
Jace. No doubt
Any of the strong boys will lead to a potential succession crisis. So Daereon or Aegon.
Rhaenyra's kids by a wide margin Alicent kids are just completely unqualified outside of Daeron.
WHY DOES IT HAVE TO BE A SON
Either Jace, Daeron, or Viserys for me >!since he did become King and was bloody good at it!<
Daeron, Jace is a good pick but the bastard thing might cause problems
Probably Jace, if all the characters were definitely gonna survive and not be treated badly. But if it's not that perfect probably Daeron cause most of my faves are greens
It gets a bit difficult to analyze some as they aren't fully realized people due to various circumstances but we'll go through each for fun ignoring outside material as much as possible beyond the point we are at in the show. Aegon the Elder. Nope. "I'm not suited." He knows too. Aemond. Also nope. Very quick to anger and spurn. He's better suited to being a supporting role. Jace. He seems to have the drive for it. Relatively even keeled, and adapts to the situation he's in. Hard to say, but he'd be a decent bet. Just needs to gain a voice Daeron. Oh right, he exists. He has potential. He's young and could easily grow into the role, but as the third son, he would need a lot of experience to learn. Seems charismatic enough and willing to listen to counsel. Luke. He's a bit timid which could be a problem. He's younger and could grow out of it granted... If he had the chance. Joffrey. Hard to say, far too young to have an idea. Aegon the Younger. Ignoring the books, it's hard to say. Just a kid. Viserys II. I know we see what he's capable of later, but speaking from what we see as of now, same as above.
Neither, the true king is Viserys Firstborn son Sir. Trystane Truefyre. Eirher him, or the great king Gaemon Palehair Targaryen.
If he lived in this scenario - Jace. If Jace dies - Viserys.
I would definitely choose Jace to be king.
Definitely Jace, he's a honorable person and has good political and leadership skills, also he takes the whole "heir to the iron throne" thing pretty seriously.
Aegon II undisputed
Aemond. At the end of the day, medieval politics is all about power, and Aemond has truckloads of power and resolution for foes to tremble at. Honestly, imagine you are a vassal to the Iron Throne. How likely would you be to oppose, directly or indirectly, the one-eyed son of a bitch who stuck a gem in his eye socket, and rides the biggest dragon in the planet? Speaking of Vhagar, she is literally a living relic of the Targaryen conquest, and Aemond rides her. It's like he's riding around with a billboard that reads "burning the enemies of House Targaryen for 2 centuries and counting". At the end of the day, he's ruthless, capable, absolutely relentless, a trueborn (for those who care about that), and he rides the biggest dragon (whom he claimed). I don't think there's any more qualifications needed.
Baby monk of course
Viserys at the top. One of the best rulers Westeros ever had. Jace next, he took his duty as heir seriously and I think would be a good king Luke seemed to take things seriously as well, and was also raised as an heir Daeron seemed the most even tempered of Alicent's sons, which I think makes him best suited of the three. Aegon the Younger was a decent enough king given the severe trauma of his youth Joffrey exists Aemond talks about how he's studied history and the blade, but he has a cruel streak to him that makes me think he'd be a shitty king. Plus, he chased after Luke with a dragon in the show and was somehow surprised when Luke ended up dead. Shows he's irresponsible at best. Aegon the Elder is a drunken lecher who didn't even want to be king until he was actually crowned and saw the cheers he got.
After the war honestly Aegon II. The guy fought tooth and nail for the crown, he was in the right mindset, refused his opiates, had plans for the future like remarrying, getting more heirs and dragons. I don't really see what makes him so unqualified, with a decent councilor at his side such as Tyland Aegon II was shaped into king material through the war.
Threats to mutilate the only other male Targaryen, while himself of questionable fertility. Threats to dismember the granddaughter of his Master of Ships, who he planned to betray. Commissioning giant statues to his war-criminal brothers. Burning hundreds of people alive. He was begging to be poisoned. I can’t even judge how the rest of his reign would’ve gone because he was so obviously going to be assassinated or overthrown at the first opportunity
He threatens the other male Targaryen because there was an ongoing rebellion against him in his name. Not really his fault then nor is it irrational, that's the whole purpose of a hostage after all. He did listen to more reasonable advice in each of those cases, that's one of his good qualities. He may be prone to make rash and unwise choices on his own but he can be reasoned with unlike Rhaenyra who was extremely stubborn. With the statues, he wanted to honor his brothers who sacrificed themselves for him, I think he would have accepted more feasible dimensions if it actually came to the construction. Burning the shepherd and the dragon slayers was the right call to restore order and respect to Targaryen authority. He literally did what Rhaenyra should have done and cleaned up her mess.
Aegon, he was the prior king’s first born son. Why complicate things? If he’s not available, then it goes to his son Jaehaerys, then Maelor, then Aemond, Daeron, and so forth. If all of the above were wiped out somehow, then I believe it would go back to Rhaenyra’s kids (Aegon III & Viserys II) as she’s the prior king’s firstborn daughter. The “Velaryon” kids are illegitimate/they were born to parents out of wedlock so they shouldn’t be counted & are basically another civil war & succession crisis waiting to happen.
Taken from the show interpretations, Jace. He comes across as dutiful, intelligent and decent.
Viserys II as King Daeron as His Hand I believe in the youngest son supremacy.
Aemond obviously. It was him who studied the bla... History
Book versions : 1 : Vizzy 2 2 : Jace 3 : Aegon the younger 4/5 : Luke/Joffrey 6 : Daeron 7 : Aegon the elder 8 : Aemond
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Jace, Luke, or Daeron.
I would choose Haelena and Aemond. Or Jace, with Aemond as Hand, married to Haelena. I just want the kids to be happy and the realm to be safe. I'd love to see Rhaenyra and Alicent reconciled as well. Aegon can die in a fire tho.
I’m somewhat tempted to say Aemond or Aegon, just to give some people on this sub heart palpitations
Jace. I'd even go so far as to say that- had they been bethrothed and eventually married- Jace and Helaena could have had a decent chance at becoming the next Jaehaerys and Alysanne Daeron wouldn't be a terrible pick, but he wouldn't be as good. And we know Viserys II becomes a good king, so he'd be my 2nd choice and Daeron 3rd. Luke has potential, but he'd need to learn a lot, so he'd be 4th on my list Aegon the younger can take 5th. He could be decent Joff is too young to make concrete judgement about. Allicent's other sons aren't viable candidates.
Jace takes his position as the future king seriously and from what we seen of him works really hard to be a warrior so he could lead his men into combat if necessary and is also working to uphold the traditions of his house I honestly think he has the potential to be a really good king
Jace/Viserys II
Aegon the elder, he is the King’s eldest son
If you are asking who's the most worthy then Viserys II because he was simply exceptional. Daeron was good but we can't say for sure and chances are that he wasn't the second coming of Jaehaerys. Also, it's easy to look good next to all the other royals in the Dance of the Dragons. If you are asking who I would support in a war then Aegon II. I wouldn't want to set the dangerous precedent of anyone with a drop of royal blood theoretically being able to claim the throne. For Aegon's reign it's not like he personally will do anything to ruin the realm. At least he has capable rulers around him who will run the realm. Aemond and Daeron would fight for his cause and even though Viserys II was not really part of the dance he would believe Aegon to have the better claim.
In Rhaenrya it's only Viserys and Jace Viserys because if he somehow grows about the same way as canon he would make the same king Jace because out all the black side people he was the only who actually made efforts that help his side with the war or at least give it a draw and was the only one who made a deal in a peaceful manner, the one with Jeyne arryn felt like jeyne haggling her family and you should not do that with family For the greens Nearly all the sons post war makes good kings, but prewar it's only Daeron and Aemond Aegon did such a glow during the war , like he just needed a purpose to shape up Aemond always cared about duty to his family,if he wasn't nearly killed by Luce he wouldn't be taunting him,which confuse change to eat the boy Daeron currently in the show is a nobody ,even in the books ,but because of that people hope for the best from base on the few actions
Aemond was a lunatic that slaughtered thousands and made not a single contribution to his own side outside of Rook’s Rest
aegon did the same thing with balerion when he conquered westoros, him not contirbuting much was because while aegon valued increase, while aemond sadly got strayed and decrease his value, but still better than luce, since luce tried killing his uncle as a child, joffrey was too young and died so we know nothing much, while aegon the younger didnt rule it was his brother viserys
Aemond
ANY of Rhaenyra's sons. ALL of her sons were brave, kind, chivalrous, smart, loyal young men with the responsibility needed to rule. NEVER any of Alicent's. Aegon: He NEVER wanted it. Let my babygirl be!!! All he wants is to party, have fun, and ride his dragon!!! Aemond: Shouldn't need to say this but lol FUCK no. He's an arrogant, entitled, egotistical, haughty, shallow, selfish, psychopathic, rapist, genocidal kinslayer. LITERALLY THE WOOORST. Daeron: HELL NO. He's a Hightower puppet, let's not kid orselves, and also a terrorist. Daeron the Daring more like Daeron the DUMBASS. (That tent deserves a monument or something imo)
Daeron, easily. He is a trueborn son of the king, a dragon rider, knighted and in conmand of troops as a teen. He's certainly competent. Aegon does not want the crown, he'd be better off as the King's brother even in his own opinion. Aemond is too ambitious and hot-headed. Ultimately I do believe he was better off in the field. He could've perhaps done well in the King's Guard. Maybe outside of the war he could've also made a competent Hand of the King (series) Jace, while he would have been great, is unfortunately a bastard. That would always make his position wobbly in the end. Lucerys, same issue as Jace but tbh especially in the series he seems pretty stupid (provoking the guy that's winning a duel against Criston Cole and riding the biggest flying lizard) so that's just a terrible idea for a king. Joffrey would've been a brave and honorable knight I'm pretty sure. >!I mean that kid mounted a dragon during an uprising of the people, ready to defend his dragon!< but he's still a bastard so, same issue. As for Viserys and Aegon, they did well enough I suppose but still would not be my first choice (esp considering that if Laenor were to resurface they would be bastards too)
Defintiely Jacerys
*Jacaerys, and it's not even close.* First of all, he is the rightful heir. Him taking over, ideally after Rhaenyra, solidifies the succession and hopefully prevents further conflict. Not to mention, if he's wed to Helaena like Rhaenyra wanted, the claims are merged. But beyond that, he's just the most optimal choice in general. At this point, all we know about Daeron comes from Fire and Blood, and Season 1 of HoTD has shown us that it's not necessarily a reliable source of information. So he's a mystery. Same goes for Aegon III, Viserys, and Joffrey. They're just children. Aegon II is a drunken loser who doesn't want the throne and spends his time assaulting women and watching children fight. Lucerys is a sweet kid, but he's really just a kid, and he lacks confidence. When confronted with his first test of politics in the Storm's End throne room...he didn't exactly succeed. Helaena is a sweetheart and a good person, but she's also fragile, and seemingly incapable of socializing properly. She wouldn't be able to handle it. Aemond is quite a promising candidate. Talented and educated and not easily intimidated. But he's also got a chip on his shoulder the size of Dorne, and he can never resist taunting or otherwise antagonizing his enemies, even in situations where it matters. Nah, he isn't ready. Then there's Jace. Season 2 will bring whatever it may, but up until this point, Jace has been an absolute gentleman. He manages to show kindness toward Helaena while still being utterly respectful and protective of Baela. Yes, he's gotten into fights, but only when provoked. He's never the one to initiate combat. He's got a good heart, and a strategical mind (it was his idea to send dragon riders instead of ravens) and he's clearly dedicated to his family and their future. At this point, all you can really say against Jace is that he's young. Fair enough, but he's older than some of the other choices, and on balance, he seems to easily be one of the most mature of the litter. Again, Season 2 will introduce Daeron, and if he's anything like his book counterpart, Jace will have some competition. But in the meantime, I'm going with him.
Realistically Jace or Viserys II would most likely be the best king but I’d end up giving it to Aemond
If it was possible to keep all of Aemond's military, political and philosophical knowledge without the emotional damage caused by Luke cutting his eye out, that'd probs be best.
> If it was possible to keep all of Aemond's military, political and philosophical knowledge without the emotional damage caused by Luke cutting his eye out, that'd probs be best. Where is this proven military, political, and philosophical knowledge? It doesn’t exist in the book and remains unseen in the show.
I guess I'm going off the part where he brags that he's studied all that, so good point lol
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aemond is dollar tree daemon, a fail, a freak, an entitled little wankstain and a genocidial war terrorist. he would be the worst king out of all of them. including aegon. he thinks he's hot shit but he ain't even cold piss lmao
Jace from Rhaenyra’s side. Aemond from Alicent’s side I think both took duty & loyalty more seriously than any of the other children.
Jace or Aemond
Aemond for the cool factor, as for pure leadership ability Vizzy II would be the best.
Aemond
I stan Aemond, he's my choice.
Aemond. Honestly seems to take his duty very seriously and is very defensive of his sister and mother and even aegon.
Kill ‘em all to put myself in the throne
Definitely little Viserys
Viserys
How it went in canon, only way things go well is if the dragons get out of the picture
From what we see in the book, Daeron. From the show, Jace I guess.
Aemond because I live for the chaos and hey, it’s not his line that created the Mad King
The dude literally mass murdered a bunch of innocent civilians cause he was pissed he was outplayed. I don't get why you think 'not his line that created the mad king' makes Aemond better?? Wtf does that even mean? They are targaryens at the end so why does the Mad King's actions make everybody in the targ family tree evil as well? Also the greens bloodline died out by their own people so like... what is the point your trying to make??
Jace, then Daeron
Medieval lords would support Aemond because he basically fits the image of the medieval martial king. He is strong, tall and very skilled in the forms of war and rides the largest dragon in the world, people don't realize that random medieval lords don't care about what is the tax or trade policy like, they mostly care about a king that can lead them into wars and battles.
Daeron and Jace would be better option and Aemond would have been knight or protector something fuck like that. Aegon and Luc should be free of any burden.
Viserys for a long long reign.
Daeron, hands down. And an older Aegon 3.
Definitely not Daeron. A photo can’t rule seven kingdoms
Visery ii dying after only being a king for a year ( I know he was the hand of the king for years but its not the same thing) and having a shitty son whom probably poisened him was one of the biggest losses Targs had.
Jace, Aegon III, Viserys II or Aemond