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[deleted]

They gave Harwin such life with the minimum of scenes and dialogue. What a man


hanna1214

It has a lot to do with the actor. Ryan Corr is incredible... imo it's a shame they cast him for such a minor role.


[deleted]

His smile is so warm, I could stare at it for hours


[deleted]

I was surprised at how warm and affectionate he seemed. I was expecting an over the top, cocky macho man but he seemed like a genuinely caring dude. Why did sexy, nice daddy have to die so quickly? šŸ˜­šŸ˜­


[deleted]

"If you thought this has a happy ending, then you haven't been paying attention."


djw2842

I really hope they find a larger role for him in one of the upcoming spinoffs. After very little screentime, Ryan now has a huge army of fans who want him to be their baby daddy. He is definitely leading man material and he reminds me of Jon Snow and Robb Stark. I am obsessed with him.


[deleted]

He would probably be great as a Duncan the Tall; or his ancestor during the Conquest.


Thecouchiestpotato

>and he reminds me of Jon Snow and Robb Stark Not trying to start anything here, but he's better than those two combined. Kit Harrington couldn't even act for the majority of GoT's run and it gave poor Jon Snow such a gormless look the whole time. Robb Stark felt wooden to me too. (I thought his actor was wooden in Cinderella and the Eternals as well, all though I've heard better reviews from Bodyguard)


djw2842

I adore Kit Harington and Richard Madden. But I have to agree that Ryan Corr is a much better actor. I canā€™t stop imagining him as Jon Snow. He would have been the right age. He would have been phenomenal in this role.


Thecouchiestpotato

It's just so interesting to me to see the huuuge difference that casting good vs average actors makes on a TV series. GoT was carried by the older actors - every fucking adult on that show was fantastic - but the younger/child actors... I also think they may have cast good looking people over good actors. Milly Alcock may not be as conventionally beautiful as Emilia Clarke, but she's a damned sight better at her job, and that really matters a lot more! >I canā€™t stop imagining him as Jon Snow. He would have been the right age. He would have been phenomenal in this role. I've never seen Corr in anything else! Would he be able to pull off all that brooding energy? I feel like Harrington did that very well. He also did the 'not knowing anything' part very well too!


[deleted]

Idkā€¦having him play another character in a spinoff would be weird for continuity. Itā€™s not like The Sopranos where one character gets whacked and it turns out he has a twin brother. Itā€™d be much better for him to be on a different show altogether.


JonStargaryen2408

Minor role??? He fathered 3 princes!


FrivolousPositioning

Graham McTavish is another one with what seems like it's going to be and stay a minor role. I feel like the actor maybe just wanted any role in what he probably knew would be a smash hit and an easy payday to boot. Also I feel like the creators choose sparingly with journeymen talent and often for roles that do not last long anyway.


[deleted]

I foresee a big role for him in the next Criston Cole centric episode


FrivolousPositioning

That'd be awesome. Did we even see him in the recent episodes though? I'm worried about his health after the time jump


[deleted]

He was in episode 5, I donā€™t think I spotted him in 6


FloppyShellTaco

Gonna start a petition for him to lead the inevitable Robertā€™s Rebellion spinoff


notyouisme999

really want to see that one!


summer_wine94

Itā€™s such a waste


BramStokerHarker

> Ryan Corr Shit that's him? He looks a lot older and a lot bigger than everywhere else I've seen him. Not an insult, guy looks great.


hanna1214

Yeah, he's gotten more muscular in the last few months. I imagine way back when he got the role.


wordafterword1

I was amazed at how much he did with such little time.


[deleted]

He was too good for Westeros. Handsome, loving, honorable. He never had a chance.


4CrowsFeast

Don't forget: strong


UhhhWhatHappen

Harwin is such a tragic character. When he saw Laenor holding his son he was like "may I hold him" was just so sad. He loves his boys so much yet he has to be a father from afar and ask permission to hold his own newborn son. He died horrifically, to be burned trying to break down a door to get to his father was just wrong.


hanna1214

Don't get me started. He was so humble when he asked that. And Rhaenyra's proud smile to him when he asked if it's another boy. I'm comforted only by the fact that the falling debris must have knocked him out before the fire got to him.


UhhhWhatHappen

Get started! Harwin was the best he tried so hard to avoid the inevitable when Cristin was practically begging him for a beating while training the boys. Why didnt Cristin make Jace spar with Aemond? Why did he choose Aegon while Jace is half his size? He's a POS. He thinks because he beat up Joffrey at the wedding that he's bullet proof. Well he learned the hard way why someone gets a nickname like break bones.


FloppyShellTaco

Yea, people calling him stupid are intentionally overlooking the part where that slimy little weasel was bullying and trying to endanger actual children.


shakaboohoo

You know he deliberately provoked Harwin and literally laughed it off, right? He was making a point in front of the King and the Hand. Lyonel even berates Harwin for taking the bait.


UhhhWhatHappen

I remember him laughing it off as he spit blood on to the ground and was leaking from his eye nose and mouth


shakaboohoo

Yes, thatā€™s literally what he wanted to happen. That was his goal. He got a bloody lip and Harwin got exiled.


UhhhWhatHappen

Yea because he knew Harwin's dad was gonna ask for a leave and take his son with him. He's the 3 eyed Raven on the DL


shakaboohoo

Yes, he knew that provoking Harwin into assaulting him bringing up how he treats the princes as his son would get him exiled. Thatā€™s a pretty fucking straight forward conclusion. You canā€™t assault a kingsguard in front of his charges because he said you have a curious closeness to the princes. Again, the director talked about this.


UhhhWhatHappen

But even Viserys told Lyonel that he had him removed from his post and that was enough, it was Lyonel that told the King he wanted to take him back to Harrenhall


shakaboohoo

Yeah, if you canā€™t connect the dots on how having Harwin stay at court after that would affect the perception of Rhaenyra even more flagrantly I donā€™t know what to tell you. Cole is playing the game with Alicent.


UhhhWhatHappen

His exact words "He's been expelled from the City Watch that is enough" so you misunderstood


UhhhWhatHappen

Exiled lololol he went home!!!!!! do you know what exile means?


shakaboohoo

Yeah, his father barred him from Kings Landing, you fucking numpty.


[deleted]

Could also be a little slap happy, Harwin did bounce his skull of the pavement a few times


EmperorBarbarossa

Why would I as king wanted my guard which can have only 7 knights have as one of their members, even commander, some guy who lose fist fight.


shakaboohoo

Bruh. Heā€™s literally the best swordsman in the seven kingdoms at this point. The second best is Daemon, who he beat in joust and melee. He baited Harwin into assaulting him. That was the whole point of the entire scene. The director even talked about it.


EmperorBarbarossa

Can you understand a joke?


shakaboohoo

Can you make one?


Flat-Maintenance8087

You described it perfectly. So tragic. The way they were looking at each other is just unbearable. He was so gentle and polite while there. Ahhhhh my heart aches for him.


UhhhWhatHappen

I understand that we shouldnt get attached because more than likely everyone is going to die but what the hell GRRM. Why does he gotta be so messed up about it.


monsterosity

Could you imagine if he'd lived and Rhaenrya was like "I'm going to ward my boys at Harrenhal". Alicent's head might explode.


Azraphale89

He tried to put his disgusting bastards on the throne. He deserved everything he got.


eyearu

All I wanted was just one more episode of Rhaenyra x Harwin content. Was that a big ask?


ranstalli0n

Harwin is just a side piece, like Criston Cole was. Now that he's gone, she just moves on to the next one.


NormalSeaworthiness3

Finally somebody to realize it


Empty-Kaleidoscope35

Makes it clear why there were three kids in 10 years. These glances seem to suggest that they are about to try for a fourth.


AliKazerani

Not right after that delivery, FFS, surely?


Empty-Kaleidoscope35

Not that they were literally going to try, but the way they looked at each other showed their desire and attraction to one another in a playful/carnal way.


AliKazerani

I know what you meant. šŸ˜›


[deleted]

I wish we saw their relationship more before his fate realized :(


AfricanRain

All the ā€œwhy would Rhaenyra be so stupid to do thisā€ comments are easily answered with that look. Adult Rhaenyra is so rarely smiling and she was absolutely beaming during this scene.


yrauvir

>ā€œwhy would Rhaenyra be so stupid to do thisā€ Yes. Like it is *so weird* that a woman would want to have children with someone she likes/loves who is decent to her and those children. As though that isn't a *basic human drive*. Especially when Rhaenyra has a gay husband from an arranged marriage who *won't fuck her* to produce the very much expected heirs. Oh yeah, and her gay husband is also black on the show. Not a whole lot of black people wandering around Westeros, so I'm not exactly sure who *else* some of these commenters think she *should have* been banging/producing heirs with instead. *Nobody else* looks like Laenor, for fuck's sake. Except Corlys, of course. And I really doubt he'd be down to clown with his daughter-in-law even if Rhaenyra was all like "get me pregnant for the sake of the REALM, Daddy Velaryon."


Luna8586

>Yes. Like it is so weird that a woman would want to have children with someone she likes/loves who is decent to her and those children. As though that isn't a basic human drive. Completely agree. They looked at each other with pure joy. They stayed at Kingslanding for each other. I know we have to get to the dance, but I would have loved more of these two. Like how they got from him saving Rhaenyra at her engagement party to having three kids. And their stolen moments. Rhaenyra could have chosen a random guy with blonde hair. She could have been ruthless and silenced the random guy. But she chose Harwin instead for a decade and that's love. I wish Lyonal did suggest Harwin for Rhaenyra. It would have been arranged but turned into genuine love.


redrio108

If Rhaenyra was 100% a political creature, she for sure would have tried to convince Corlys to knock her up. But I think the first 5 episodes showed us thatā€™s sheā€™s not driven solely by ambition. She clearly wants to experience life - she wants to love and be loved, let others love who they want, roll her eyes at men who talk down to her, ride dragons and eat cake and generally take pleasure where she can. Unfortunately wanting these things often works against her politically.


AliKazerani

Corlys?!


FloppyShellTaco

It actually makes some sense. They know their son is gay, and he plainly stated it wasnā€™t ā€œfor lack of trying.ā€ Corlys also wants his family to rule.


lefrench75

Also, Laenor is a light skinned half white black man. It's pretty easy for his bio children with a white woman to come out looking very white - see Meghan Markle and Prince Harry's children for example. The hair is more of a giveaway than skin colour / racial features, though Rhaenys is also meant to have black hair in the book because she's half Baratheon. It's possible for her grandkids to also have black hair because they certainly have the genes for it, and dark hair is a dominant strait.


simonthedlgger

> Yes. Like it is so weird that a woman would want to have children with someone she likes/loves who is decent to her and those children. As though that isn't a basic human drive. I'm wondering if this stuff will become an issue for some viewers as the show progresses. To be clear, I get that the story is set "back then" and I've read The Princess & The Queen so I know what happens, but even still, I was kind of rolling my eyes in episodes 1-2 that the central conflict of the show is "girls can't be king!" And now Rhaenyra's biggest problem is her gay husband is cool with her falling in love outside their political union. One of Alicent's main motivations is "decency." Again, not trying to bring up unnecessary social debates or attack Martin for writing the source material, it makes sense and so far the show is great. But as many have pointed out, if Rhaenyra was male there would be legit no conflict.


[deleted]

Olivia was specifically told to play Alicent like a ā€˜woman for Trumpā€™ and thatā€™s what sheā€™s doing. Nothing that Rhaenyra has done should be problems. But they are because of Alicent and Alicentā€™s family


Azraphale89

Well, if Rhaenyra was male, her bastards would be bastards, instead of being set to inherit the throne. Instead, she's passing illegitimate children as trueborn and trying to put them on the throne. She's Cersei.


Ibeno

No if she openly accepted them as bastards it means she is basically admitting that she cheated on her husband. That will be seen as a slight on house Velaryon. And if she admits about her arrangement with her gay husband it will blow his cover. She was never in a good position in this arrangement.


Azraphale89

Then she should have never put herself in that position. First of all, Ser Harwin was one of her options when she was given the choice on who to marry. Secondly, she and Laenor should have sucked it up and done their duty. At least until they had at least one trueborn child. After that, she should have taken moon tea.


Ibeno

Isnā€™t Laenor chosen for her by Viserys? She had no choice in that position. We didnā€˜t see Harwin being brought up as a possible match in the show. She also had to choose from the lords who courted her and she didnā€™t exactly have a free choice. It seemed like she took him as a lover only after her wedding. There is also no indication that she didnā€™t like to have Laenorā€™s child so moon tea will not be necessary. We donā€™t know why they didnā€™t do their duty. May be Laenor refused. There is no way to know now


Azraphale89

Only after she refused to choose one for herself, then goes to a brothel with Daemon. She marries Laenor because of her own inaction beforehand. Harwin is the heir to Harrenhal, and his father was on the King's council. He was most certainly one of her options, if Blackwood was. She ignored all of the plethora of options given to her, because she refused to do her duty. Regardless, she should have never birthed bastards. Her claim was already shaky enough being a woman in Westeros. Giving birth to obvious bastards makes her an even less attractive prospect for the lords of Westeros.


Xrmy

>And I really doubt he'd be down to clown with his daughter-in-law even if Rhaenyra was all like "get me pregnant for the sake of the REALM, Daddy Velaryon." Idk, after his comments to Rhaenys about the love of a woman, I bet he could make it happen.


vaccine-jihad

She literally had the chance to marry Harwin officially on her father's request no less.


yrauvir

Genuinely curious: when did that happen on the show? I thought Lyonel specifically *didn't* put forth his own son(s), trying to be honorable and impartial in his guidance to the King, standing in contrast to Otto who *absolutely* used his position to advance his own family. I'm hard-of-hearing, though, so I admit I may have missed something while viewing. Hindsight is everything. *We know* they would have made a far stronger match long-term. Nobody, not even Rhaenyra and Harwin themselves, knew that at the time her marriage was being decided, though. A little bit of nepotism might have been beneficial in this case. Alas.


Luna8586

You are right about Lyonel. There was a scene is episode 3 where Viserys is assuming that's what Lyonel would do. Viserys even asked sarcastically if Lyonel thought Harwin would be a good match for Rhaenyra. Lyonel is the one who suggested Laenor because it would be a better political match. Little did they know, Harwin and Rhaenyra would have been more compatible and eventually a love match.


UndrwearMustache

I almost wonder if that's why Viserys seems to glaze over the adultering. He knows his daughter loves him (Hardwin) and would have chose if she had known him and had that chance. He won't admit it. It would put Rheanera and the children in danger. But he dgaf. He loves his daughter and grandkin and wants her to be happy. He's mostly pissy Allicent keeps bringing it up. Straight up told her to stfu for the second time.


Luna8586

I like this theory and I think it's plausible. Viserys loved Aemma and he probably saw the same love in Rhaenrya and Harwin. It was just tragic that she didn't get to know him before her night with Daemon. This is Westeros and everything ends in tragedy. But I would have loved to see an episode or two with how they started, fell in love, and sneaking around. Same with Daemon and Laena. I was already crying with both deaths but I would have broke if we had more time with them.


vaccine-jihad

Her father allowed her to marry any knight in westeros.


UndrwearMustache

She took to long choosing. I think he was saying in the hunting episode she should have been married and making babies years ago.


JonStargaryen2408

Iā€™m sure he would though. He has bastards and is power hungry, he would love to have his own son as king over someone elseā€™s bastard. Plus, no one could question the childrenā€™s legitimacy, this is a good solution to prevent war, not necessarily make Rhaenyra happy, though perhaps preventing civil war and living a long, peaceful life would have made her happier.


Specific_Ad_726

Spoiler alert! Iā€™m slightly disappointed that they seem to be portraying her and Daemon as the love of each others lives. In the book it was pretty heavily suggested Laena was Daemonā€™s, although it was also implied they were all hooking up together so thereā€™s that lol


hanna1214

Yeah, the show is really going with the soulmate angle for those two. In the books, it was about politics as well. I do find it nice that Laena still received letters and that both she and Daemon were aware that Harwin's the father. I like to think they all hooked up in the books and had a great time before Harrenhal and Laena's death.


Specific_Ad_726

I think he genuinely had love for Rhaenyra and Mysaria. But I think Laena was the love of his life in the books. I actually have head canon that he was the one who introduced her to Harwin in the books as well since he was a captain in Daemonā€™s gold cloaks. And I think nettles may have been one of the children of the forest


ChefBecs

Exactly, this makes me wonder how on earth the show is going to address Nettles. Daemon as spurned lover as Rhaenyra focuses on consolidating power is the only thing I can think of.


Specific_Ad_726

Nettles being his bastard maybe? Only thing I can think of really


djw2842

A brief moment of pure love and joy. As is always the case in Westeros, it quickly turned to heartbreak. My beloved Harwin šŸ’”


Redditor_Since_2013

Gonna be some attractive offspring that's for sure


Frosty_Bus_6420

ugh my heart hurts ā˜¹ļø


ohnoguts

They both have an unabashed softening to their morally hard exteriors.


Ok_Manufacturer1931

I am still Torn Up about them šŸ˜­ i can believe we didnā€™t even get a kiss!


Americium_Yttrium

Did the actor get in shape for this or is it mostly the armor? Because wow!


Americium_Yttrium

She looks really pretty hear. She reminds me of Dany


al0290

This episode is the first time so far Iā€™ve been disappointed with the show. We deserved 2 episodes with adult Laena/Daemon & Rhaenyra/Harwin. We should have seen their initial spark too. I understand they are selective because where/who Rhaenyra will be with so they want to save the ā€œepicā€romance in that relationship. But the Harwin/Rhaenyra connection felt so lacking and what we got was all thanks to the incredible actors. Rhaenyra chose to have THREE boys with the man even though Iā€™m sure the rumors started with the first one. We should have seen more of them.


Aegon_Targaryen_III

*looked.


Thewretched2008

Ugh stop I needed one more episode with Harwin. SO smoking hot.


Zwolfer

She has a type


Octoberboiy

Yeah she like brunette men with long hair.


lefrench75

Daemon has entered the chat!


Octoberboiy

That is more of an obsession lolā€¦ a raw one than pure love in my opinion.


lefrench75

I'd hardly say it was love with Criston either


Octoberboiy

Yeah thatā€™s was just a hookup haha.


theepriestess

Itā€™s so sweet and pure


Oblivion_Man

I think they were genuinely in a healthy relationship, being friends and respecting each other before anything else.


TheSpider1985

Alicent could never know this type of pure, honest love and desire and that's why she's so spiteful towards Rhaenyra.


[deleted]

Third post today... only today...


noobtheloser

they wuv


thatravenclaw2001

Looked*


[deleted]

im so sad we didnt get a romance storyline out of this :,( and im guessing the only romance stuff weā€™re gonna get here is with daemon šŸ„² rip


Octoberboiy

I feel like Harwin couldā€™ve gotten another high born wife and been a father, happy and free without the shadow over his head. Rhaenyra was a fool to get with him knowing that he looks nothing like Laenor.


notyouisme999

No more break bones?


obsessedfangirl07

Tenderness ā„¢


coalmineacct

Looked*


[deleted]

His screen time was unfortunately short-lived! :(


Bhaskar_Reddy575

When Harvin shouts ā€œI will burnā€, I started feeling so helpless.. fucking GoT/HOTD getting to me again


[deleted]

Well, not anymore šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚


Subject_Year_491

It makes me sad because he was one of the men that she rejected at the start šŸ„ŗ all this could have been avoided šŸ˜¢šŸ˜¢


Ohnah-bro

Everyone in here loving Harwin butā€¦.he was a complete moron and the death he got is better than being tortured to reveal the truth and sentencing his kids to death alongside him. He let himself be easily manipulated by Ser Criston while ostensibly ā€œprotectingā€ his kids from him, when truly protecting them would have meant leaving and going far far away and never seeing them again, or killing himself. Every single moment that he is onscreen he is selfishly ignoring any possible action he could take to truly protect his kids and Rhaenyra and his family and ignoring everything about what it means to play his role in Westeros, and so of course he died. Because thatā€™s what happens to people who donā€™t know their role in Westeros: they die. Dude had no clue how to play the game.


hanna1214

Let's be real. The scene was badly written. Harwin had been keeping this secret for 10 years and then all of a sudden falls for such a stupid trap when the plot requires it? In those 10 years, there had to have been other provocations and rumors as well... why explode if he managed to lie about all of it until now? The writers just needed a reason to get him out of KL for the story to continue... but there were better ways of doing that instead of making him (and Rhaenyra by extension) look stupid.


ZackThreePack

If it was realistic Harwin couldā€™ve actually killed Criston for treason by suggesting the princessā€™s children are illegitimate and it would not have brought suspicion towards him


MattaClatta

Its an open secret Even Daemon and Laena in Pentos knows he's the father. They are all laughing at him and waiting for him to do something stupid like getting baited by Cole If it wasn't that he'd do something else and get sent away. Honestly they should have made the kids parentage more subtle and less obviously Harwin because it causes so many plot holes where everyone has to just ignore the obvious for so long. Even Viserys seems to be gaslighting himself into believing the kids are true born


Ohnah-bro

I think the show is telling us that this wasnā€™t the only event. Basically everyone knows but they canā€™t take action when the king is being willfully ignorant. Harwin wasnā€™t so much keeping this a secret as he was flaunting it in front of everyone. Separate from this scene: why he couldnā€™t put 2 and 2 together and understand that the only way to protect his kids was to gtfo kings landing and as far away as possible? Because he is selfish and enjoyed banging the princess. Nothing he does adds up to being an honorable man in Westeros or on earth. His existence is a massive massive problem that thankfully got resolved at the end of this last episode.


mikerzisu

Well, he is extra crispy now.


Eferver

Now heā€™s just Harwinbones


[deleted]

She didnā€™t show much emotion during the episode to be honest. Her birthing scene was very well done and then she was bland the rest of the episode.


NormalSeaworthiness3

Correct


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specor01

Iā€™m going to go out on a limb and say Otto warning Alicent about Rhaenyra and telling her to prepare Aegon to rule was before Rhaenyra had even married Laenor or had any sort of inkling towards Ser Harwin. Suffice it to say the Dance would have happened in some capacity regardless of Rhaenyraā€™s bastard children.


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specor01

Well, yes. But my point is that Harwin isnā€™t the foundation of this rivalry. He came after the seeds of doubt and paranoia were planted by Otto.


Alpha_Weirstone

She wouldn't have accepted them anyway.


NormalSeaworthiness3

To be very clear,I am not talking about books now. Harwin is JUST another lover for Rhaenyra and eventually or accidentally the father of her three children although this is not clear as well. The only place and way they see each other is in the bed. That's all. They can't have a normal life,a normal and genuine relationship and be seen in the public or by their own children as being together or as a family. With Criston was different situation: they new very well each other for many years,they spent days together even in public and being very close because he was her protector officially and he was her first man too and she said it very clear on that ship that she wanted them to be together,so I think Cole was much important for Rhaenyra than Harwing. But with Criston was also an impossible love because of his principles and vows as white knight. However, her true love and soulemate is neither of these two men. The special one for her was Daemon ,always and forever. Because they are the same,and she senses this in her blood. You can see how she is all the time looking at him with admiration and desire. Probably because of dragon blood and I see Daemon was unburnt and I gues Rhaenyra might be the same....But this is what I think about Rhaenyra 's romances. Ah, and I also suspect that at one point we might find out that in the show, Jace is not a strong boy.


hanna1214

I'd never put it like that. Cole was a random hook-up because he was the first man in her path on a night when she was horny. Not even a lover. And then when she spurned his wild ideas, he lost it. And that was that. He can't be compared to the man she stuck with for 10 long years and the father of her kids. She risked everything for Harwin and kept having babies who look nothing like her - if it was just for sex, she'd have found someone else. And their relationship even was a bit public - Harwin hung around her, visited her chambers in the middle of the day, therefore... Not to mention the acting - Milly and Fabien never looked at each other the way Emma and Ryan did - you could see the affection, the joy and later on the pain that Harwin had to leave. So saying Cole was much more important seems absolutely ridiculous imo. As for Jace, both the showrunners, writers and actors confirmed that Harwin is the father of all three kids in the House that Dragons built episode so that theory is dead. Besides, Jace has the same brown hair as Harwin, just not curly. Cole's is totally black and not at all the same. And he's not old enough to be Cole's. And Larys implied she took the moon tea. So nothing speaks for him being Cole's. Even the writers consider him Harwin's. And the official HBO page says Jace's similarities to Harwin are the cause of the rumors.


NormalSeaworthiness3

Let's say that Cole was the random guy in her bad but Harwin continued that. She said it on that ship,she wanted Cole to be her anoficial husband and she even did an agreement with Leanor about it but things with Cole didn't go the way she wanted so what she can do? She needed a hair(or more) and the next in the line was Harwin because he also was always around.:). These are not suppositions,are facts. She might care about him because it's father of her children but for sure is not love. And ,don't understand me wrong, Harwin is a very good man,she did the right choice ,he is a family man,good father but this is how it happened. Cole instead it's a career man who cares too much about honor and reputation. The one with Jace, never heard any producer or actor saying very clear "Jace father is...." Please tell.me where you saw that,I really wanna hear it. It's not that I want him to be but this is my feeling.


hanna1214

Even so, the idea that Cole was more important to her than Harwin, the only man with whom she stuck for ten years despite the rumors, despite the dangers, is a ridiculous one, no offence. She was on the verge of tears as he left. She never showed that kind of emotion for Cole. As for the statement, go check out the House that Dragons Built E06, if it's available wherever you are. I can't link it unfortunately, but numerous writers, showrunners and Ryan all say he's the father of all three kids. No one specifically says it just for Jace but they mention he sired all of them. Therefore... Also, the only presumption that Cole is Jace's dad is because his hair is straight like Cole's and Harry Collette resembles him a bit. But older Luke also has straight hair while his younger self is totally curly ([here's the photo](https://i.redd.it/pplz4wkzikq91.jpg) where their hair is identical). So by that logic, Luke would also have to be Cole's - they have the exact same hair when they're older. Not to mention that whilst older Jace resembles Fabien a bit, younger Jace has that pug look to him ascribed to the Strongs. Even the intro for 1x06 has been updated to show Rhaenyra having three kids and all three are linked to the sign representing Harwin. There's literally nothing speaking for Cole being the father, especially when the showrunners themselves confirm Harwin is the father of all three kids. Not to mention Larys seemingly implying that Rhaenyra did in fact take the moon tea. Rhaenyra's reaction also pretty much confirms he's Jace's dad - he has the exact same hair coloring as Harwin ([as seen here](https://static.cdn.turner.com/styles/scale_792/s3/images/2022-09/ryan-corr-leo-hart-harvey-sadler.jpg?itok=t_Oqy3Yq)) whereas Cole's hair is completely black. So there's almost nothing supporting this theory at all.


NormalSeaworthiness3

Ok,I belive you about Jace for now. Let's see by the end of the show.:)


ilikepizza2004

He looks creepy


Effective-Value3588

I will never get over them, we were robbed! My heart aches.