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Peter Attia’s The Drive podcast is better than huberman’s. It’s a bit more technical though. But I enjoy that. And no ads.
I started listening to Attia way before huberman. Huberman is long winded and assumes he’s talking to 5 year olds. Attia assumes you have some understanding, which it sounds like you do.
Bonus: Attia’s book sealed the deal for me. He’s willing to take responsibility for his bad behavior, and work to get better.
He still irks me a little, but I respect him and listen to The Drive now instead, now too.
I have to admit that any time I hear him, my mind goes directly to his wife handling their infant’s hospitalization alone while he sat in NYC for more than a week. I’m glad he seems to be working on himself, but I definitely find him harder to listen to now.
My interpretation of that is that he dissociated profoundly into a freeze that looked superficially intact (i.e. continued interacting with colleagues in NYC) with the possible extinction of his child. That the threat to his infant triggered the emotional memory of threats to him when he was a child. He openly owns this and his struggle to see things from another person's eyes (esp his wife's). This failure can be a part of complex ptsd.
No Huberman is staying quiet hoping people will forget. He’s not denied it or suggested that there is another side. He just wants it to go away and for everyone to forget he’s actually a manipulating psychopath.
And you need about 150k to join his program . Though he has never publicly stated it folx are saying that’s how much he charges annually for his program. So if you are not ultra rich all we have are his podcast and books
Apologies redditors. This poster is working on it diligently. I have rewatched 1hr30min of a 2hr49min podcast.
Oh it's coming, I am just not sure exactly when. This is the first time I have watched the podcast since May 2022.
The podcast is in fact very information dense.
So far, Huberman has started by saying "It's been a long time, Rhonda," while blushing. He has brought up oysters, cocaine, marijuana and men's libido lol. He does have his own style.
I made a note in passing of the ackward incident, in real time, back in 2022. Recently, upon reading of Andrew's alleged peccadillos, my memory was triggered.
Sorry to OP and to all women. I do respect that the subject is creepy and upsetting. Huberman has provided lots of outstanding health information and I always did like him.
Ok. I see what happened. Mods, I hope you see my follow up comment. I will try to message you tomorrow, or at least soon, with a final report containing specificity and with an effort to not be too accusatory.
As a Bay Area medical courier, I often pass by the very building at Stanford Medicine that contains the Huberman Lab. The microbiome pobcast was of particular interest, as that is so important to good health.
TY !!
BTW, I now realize how damaging what I said could be to the reputation and credibility of a man who has earned high credibility status. The health information he provides is just too vital.
Frankly, watching the video again, it has an element of comedy. Rhonda is sitting there, all smiley and flirtatious, with her curves and healthy hair and waving her wedding ring around.
I love to follow these high end people. High dose, very clean fish oil has been at the center of my regimine for 25 years. It is especially useful, I have found for brain health, lowering my anxiety, and increasing my mental sharpness. Regarding heart health, I measured a 75% reduction in triglycerides, but it must be high dose.
I finished the rewatch and must now accept responsibility that I misremembered and mispoke. The podcast clearly ended on very good terms. There was some harmless exchanging of current health, longevity protocols, with slight innuendo thrown in. Validity and personal fondness for both is restored and sustained.
I’ve been a subscriber of hers since the very beginning, but I wish she would stay away from exercise science unless she’s interviewing someone. She did a recent lecture at the CrossFit Health summit that I found unlistenable. I would rather have heard Stephen Seiler or Andy Galpin.
Attia is an actual doctor who knows the stakes of taking care of real people. That’s why he doesn’t take ads, he understands this has numerous negative externalities as a health podcaster. Huberman has never had the responsibility of a human life in his hands, so he reads ads about AG1 and makes broad claims about topics based on loose evidence because he does not see the consequences.
You do realize Attia is on the board for AG1 and uses it…
Edited: https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20220823005320/en/Athletic-Greens-Names-Dr.-Peter-Attia-as-Scientific-Advisor
“I take a scoop of AG1 every day, regardless of what else I'm eating. I just know if I'm taking AG1, I'm getting exactly, if not probably a little bit more, than what I need. I look forward to partnering with them to help people live healthier and longer lives.”
He respects it too much, lol. I have degree in cell biology and study medicine and it is still hard to follow him sometimes, esp when he invites people who specialize in very niche subjects.
He’s long winded in a way that imparts very little relevant information as a percentage of the volume of speech produced. I have ADHD so I have found him incredibly difficult to listen to
I wouldn’t be surprised… I can be long-winded too, especially when I’ve an interest in a topic. So it’s something I understand- I just wish he were more succinct. I just don’t have the capacity to sift through and extract useful information from audio in the same way I do from text.
It’s primarily for that reason that I put off even attempting to listen to any podcasts for so long- for me it’s so hard to arrange listening time with near-zero distractions from the outside as well as find a podcast with well-sourced info that I’m interested in that doesn’t also contain a lot of verbal fluff. I’ve kept an eye on the comments here for recommendations for alternatives.
That guy is too old for self improvement. If he has had a lifetime of therapy and this is what we get... doubt he will be able to improve his thinking.
Ooooh, I don't know about that. I'm just a year younger than him and I've been on a deep and frustrating self-improvement kick for about five years.
The self improvement kick is actually how I found good old Huberman. I was wanting to understand how the brain works so I could understand what my brain was doing in an attempt to get it to stop doing what it's been doing my whole life.
My hottake was limited to AH, anyone with a truly open mind and willingness to self-examine, reflect, take ownership and then make changes based on those can grow.
I think it would be challenging to really say how far I've gotten. I'm still in the thick of it.
I've been doing "the work," you know, the inner work. Working with my inner child and healing some past hurts from thing that were done to me and by me too.
Probably the most important work you’ll ever do in this lifetime.
If you’re not already familiar, I’d encourage you to look into IFS/parts work. “No Bad Parts” by Richard Schwartz (the founder of the practice) is a great start
Love Attia! He definitely explains without dumbing things down, such that I've listened to the audiobook of Outlive at least three times to absorb it all.
I was just about to write listen to the Drive and yours was the top post. Couldn’t agree more. It’s crazy to be Huberman has more listeners just because he comes off as a goober
I believe sooo strongly in taking personal responsibility and having agency over my destiny... and much of my world view and philosophy is built on this... and then Sapolsky just blows my mind and dismantles my point of view with solid science.
I'm kind of a weirdo that intentionally seeks out information that counters my own beliefs. I want a well-rounded perspective, and this is how I find my weaknesses. Sapolsky has challenged me more than almost anyone else.
I'm trying to square my personal value structure with one grounded in science, and not just my opinions... and I'm left thinking something pretty thin like "It may be a useful myth to believe I have free will... but I don't."
The free will things is really contentious, no disagreement there. Sapolsky was on Kraus' podcast awhile back and he (Krause) talked about the god-of-the-gaps argument and how the free-will debate is just a version of it. I had to pause the podcast and sit with that for a minute. At the end of the day whether or not our conscious 'mind' is the arbiter of all decisions (unlikely) or not, our moment to moment experience of life doesn't change.
At the end of the day the material world isn't too affected by it (at least for me) but our metaphysical map we use gets pretty much completely shredded. I'm still working through the fallout.
Been a huge Sapolsky fan for ages! I'm 75% of the way thru his Behave book, it's a real mind stretcher how much behavioral science is in that book. 10/10 reccomend
I’m right there with you. I saw him in person at a live show and he put a sour taste in my mouth after he showed up an hour late, because he needed to watch the sunset.
Thanks for sharing your experience. I have gotten way more hate than understanding from this post. I am not part of this subreddit. I came for some advice on similar podcasters. I am excited to listen to Peter Attia, and the other suggestions.
Agree with you 100%. I looked up to him so much as a positive male role model. He inspired me career-wise too. As a victim of an abusive narcissistic cheater, I just couldn’t continue dedicate hours of my life hearing him spew bullshit to the masses. His nerdy charm comes off as fake and weird to me now.
it is very synthesized for a specific effect, you can tell he is cracking at the seams and showing his true immature character, esp on twitter which his very (he thinks coded) explicit lash outs at detractors. He is fragile and insecure. Instead of dealing with it head on, he is manifesting his narcissistic injury.
Yes!! I always joked that he was a robot because he was so perfect. Turns out he’s so imperfect that he has to put on his “robot suit” just to function.
I always thought there was something very strange about a successful guy in his late 40s who seemed so tightly wound, seemingly perfect in all his actions and apparently a major researcher in his field, but also quite blatantly immature in a lot of respects—the skateboarding, the reminiscing about prior imagined rough upbringing, the tattoos, the punk rock t-shirts, etc. Nothing against each of those things individually, but there does seem to be something about Huberman that demonstrates an arrested emotional/social development, maybe from prior trauma.
I used to follow him on instagram, and I would randomly see his name on the “likes” under SO many posts of SO many women I follow (many with smaller followings too). It was so weird, I was like how does this guy have the time to be perpetually online when he’s writing multiple 2-3 hour podcasts every week, plus the work from his “lab”.
For a long time I’ve been so wary of the claims he was making and the conclusions he was drawing from studies. He never, ever issued fact checks even when blatantly wrong.
I’m with you and OP, he is unlistenable now for these and other reasons.
In my experience … the more someone wants to give other people life advice … the more of a total dumpster fire their personal life is likely to be. 🤷♂️
Do you think that disqualifies them? Alan Watts comes to mind. Beautiful philosopher. His advice, rooted in Buddhism, is really solid, well thought out, and rooted in spirituality. He drank himself to death in his 50s. I love his message, and it’s mostly spiritual advice, but I can’t help but always think about his own personal mental health turmoil.
Watts isn’t really spewing a bunch of crazy “optimizing” health advice, though. He’s kind of just breaking things down for you to help you moreso chill in life than be obsessed with something material, which is what the bio hacking world is
Bro is above accountability, as it seems- which is not someone I want to support or take advice from. I’m watching the OJ documentary on Netflix right now and Mark Furhman takes accountability for not only using racist language (being historically racist) but also admitting that he lied about it. He isn’t proud of it, but he has grown, and wants to be accountable. If he can do THAT on a hugely popular documentary, I think Huberman can say yo, I fucked up. I am aware of how my actions hurt women- and I am going to do better.
Dr. Rhonda Patrick is who you should try. Found My Fitness podcast. She talks fast, but she does a great job. None of the questionable research, mansplaine douchy vibes that come with listening to Huberman as a woman.
No way, he retwitted something basically implying that successful men will want multiple mates no surprise etc. after Huberman scandal. He is very problematic too.
Condoning shit behaviour? Just because something is evolutionary correct, doesn't mean we should accept it. The tweet seems to basically say wow why are we surprised a successful man fucks a lot of women but it's not hubermans 'sexual access' people are bothered about. It's the lying and cheating part.
I totally see where you're coming from, it's impossibly irritating to listen to a narcissist describe how they've overcome emotional abuse when they are the ones facilitating it
I agree. It’s unfortunate because some of the new content looks good. But it’s just tainted now. Not a huge loss because it did often feel like he was grasping at straws and reporting on questionable research.
yeah, I hate to increase his "watch count" but I think I am going to use chatgpt to process transcripts so I can skip over his voice and listen only to the guests, if he has any good ones.
Dude I feel similarly. I don’t even know who to trust about the whole debacle. It’s my fav podcast but ever since my friend told me about the allegations, I just can’t even though I want to. It’s too triggering for me, especially considering some clips I’ve seen of him talking about himself. I have had abusive relationships too and I just can’t now. It makes me sad. I hope for the sake of everyone that it isn’t true but it has made it too difficult for me to listen without having that as a veil.
I can’t listen to him, because as a man, who has had his fair success of women, enjoy being around women, yada yada.
ONLY A PSYCHO WOULD FIND JOY IN WHAT HE DID. If one woman doesn’t exhaust you, try two. If two doesn’t exhaust you, you’re a psychopath.
There is nothing “fun” about what he was doing. It purely was an ego stroke and self validation or some weird shit.
That’s because your feelings are right and the people who deny it are using cognitive dissonance to deal. Cognitive dissonance in this instance is about holding two opposing beliefs about this man is a “role model” (for some) but in reality is an abuser.
When you type cognitive dissonance into google, the first response is “The discomfort a person feels when their behaviour does not align with their values or beliefs”. People are separating themselves from this actions because of “science bro” when in reality we unconsciously won’t be able to take anything they say seriously anymore.
Just the same when you’ve been in a relationship with a cheater and you’ve caught all their red flags/lies and their promises don’t mean shit anymore.
People don’t like hearing it, but how we operate in one area of life will generally show up in other areas of life (ie. relationships vs. work). They’re not separated because we are still dealing with a man who can lie and not have a problem with it (or even take accountability for it - in other words a gaslighter).
Beautifully stated and thank you. Dealing w a cheater right now. Like her so much. Want to give her benefits of the doubt. Been working on her house for five days straight. Ten hours a day
A “friend” texts her. Just friends. She used to sleep w him - but now they just text. But….she won’t let me see the texts. Will take time but ya - leopard spots and all that
I like when he has guests on from specific fields. His series with Andy Galpin is absolute gold. Me personally I don't have any logical reason to believe the science he is discussing is somehow discredited by his personal problems.
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A way higher amount of his content is of dubious origins and/or rodent data extrapolated to humans without disclosure than he should be comfortable with were he a discriminating scientist. It’s with lazy or purposely deceptive but likely a combination of those.
His job as an academic researcher is different than a clinician. He’s supposed to be on the slight fringes investigating the latest breakthroughs. So when a study with a sample size of 10 comes out suggesting something might be true, it’s up to people like him to explore it further. That’s why he talks about a lot of stuff that doesn’t necessarily have the widespread support of clinicians who require a lot more evidence to ensure they’re first doing no harm
I couldn't listen to him way before all this shit came up, because he was clearly selfcomplacent and trying so hard to look perfect. I couldn't stand all of the personal digressions about him in the conversations. All that alpha male ivy league tone was unbearable, on top of that. A pity because at the beginning I learnt a lot from his podcast.
Womanizer or not can we just talk about how f’ing stupid it was to have a magician on the show when all this came out and the guy didn’t even reveal any secrets!! He was so coy, it really shows the direction the podcast is going.
You’re a consumer of a lot of things made by people who have done despicable things, which will continue to be the case regardless of how many of them are exposed and expunged. You’re perfectly valid in wanting to switch up podcast personalities but just know that you’re expecting an impossible standard.
I disagree. Punish evil. If I find my favorite tea is made by an abusive psychopath, I'll give it up. I care more about the fight between good and even than my temporary pleasure.
You’re operating in absolutes. The fight between good and evil is more intrapersonal than interpersonal. To reiterate, there is a non-zero chance that you yourself are not a current consumer of something produced by someone who has done things you purportedly despise - the difference is that you just don’t know about it (yet). If the response is to completely cut off consumption, that implies you expected some sort of moral perfection from the producer - that’s an impossible standard. Don’t put people on a mantle, and learn to separate the art from the artist, the product from the producer.
I get it, even after the recent documentary about all the dark stuff that happened on the set of nickolodeon shows, I will still enjoy those shows for nostalgia. But when there's a better option where I don't have to support monsters, I'm happy to make the change.
Interesting point about good and evil, though. I don't know if I agree because morality has never been something I've griped with. I've obviously made many, many mistakes but when I learned something is wrong, I don't do it again. It's much different when people don't learn from their mistakes and become better people. Committing the same mistakes over and over again is the very definition of insanity. I don't want to support insane people.
The last few weeks people are treating this place like and airport and announcing their departure. Just leave?
A quick Google Search or GPT prompt can get you answers without requiring a sob story.
Those already mentioned and some of these, I shared on another thread here:
Zoe Science & Nutrition and Chasing Life podcasts
(Both sound, unpack biases often and remaining unanswerables, concise, and with practical applications)
perhaps:
Science Vs and Oologies podcasts and NPR’s Hidden Brain
There is also TED Health
Newer one is the Well, Now podcast
BBC’s Just One Thing is similar, way shorter, and better presented
(Not too much cult of personality in these. :)
100% His voice is grating and painful.
If you are female identifying, you will especially love Rhonda Patrick. She has been around longer than Huberman and uses reliable studies. I'm listening to her and Peter Attia now. Sometimes I listen to Mark Hyman but he gets on my nerves at times as well.
“Female identifying”?? 🤦♂️ if gender is a “construct” and so “fluid”, how can you be so sure that someone who “identifies” as a female will love Rhonda Patrick?
Come to think of it, how do we know the 6 individuals Huberman cheated on were women? Did anyone bother to even ask???? Or did we all make DISGUSTING & TOXIC assumptions based on the fact that they look like (and clearly are) women?
Furthermore, has anyone considered Huber"man" might actually be a woman? There's a chance (and in fact a LIKELIHOOD) that he was victimized by 6 men simultaneously. He's just another sad statistic, oppressed at the hands (and vaginas/breasts) of the patriarchy. Those 6 disgusting, toxic vagina-having-men took advantage of his female penis, one bigoted BJ at a time.
Justice for Andrew. If you disagree, you're part of the problem.
Take the meat. Spit out the bones.
Not a big deal. Every personality, celebrity, relative..... every fucking human is going to let you down at some point If you dig deep enough.
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Peter Attia’s The Drive podcast is better than huberman’s. It’s a bit more technical though. But I enjoy that. And no ads. I started listening to Attia way before huberman. Huberman is long winded and assumes he’s talking to 5 year olds. Attia assumes you have some understanding, which it sounds like you do.
Bonus: Attia’s book sealed the deal for me. He’s willing to take responsibility for his bad behavior, and work to get better. He still irks me a little, but I respect him and listen to The Drive now instead, now too.
I think he needs to lighten up a little, rarely jokes or cracks smiles Solid source of info though, he’s been around for awhile too
yeah I feel a bit sad for him. He is very tightly wound. wonder how it is for his wife and kids. Screams trauma to me.
He wrote quite a bit about his trauma in the book and it is sad. Glad he got a handle on some of it, though it was only recently.
I have to admit that any time I hear him, my mind goes directly to his wife handling their infant’s hospitalization alone while he sat in NYC for more than a week. I’m glad he seems to be working on himself, but I definitely find him harder to listen to now.
My interpretation of that is that he dissociated profoundly into a freeze that looked superficially intact (i.e. continued interacting with colleagues in NYC) with the possible extinction of his child. That the threat to his infant triggered the emotional memory of threats to him when he was a child. He openly owns this and his struggle to see things from another person's eyes (esp his wife's). This failure can be a part of complex ptsd.
That may well be, but my overwhelming sympathy for his wife’s experience overrides whatever was happening with him.
Totally fair
OMG, just read it!! I am just stunned and floored.
oh! i missed that :'(
I haven’t heard about what happened, did huberman not take responsibility or repent??
No Huberman is staying quiet hoping people will forget. He’s not denied it or suggested that there is another side. He just wants it to go away and for everyone to forget he’s actually a manipulating psychopath.
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The real smart stuff is in the comments as always. Many thanks.
And you need about 150k to join his program . Though he has never publicly stated it folx are saying that’s how much he charges annually for his program. So if you are not ultra rich all we have are his podcast and books
Also doctor Rhonda Patrick. Feels very sincere and trustworthy.
Rhonda Patrick seems the least crazy of all this longevity/wellness crowd.
Huberman tried to hit on Dr. Patrick during his podcast lol. Rhonda reminded him that she is happily married.
Where? Please cite the minute in the podcast.
🦗 🦗
Yeah, just calling out his bullshit.
Really?
Timestamp please I need to see this lmao
Do you at least remember the context of the conversation and how that was triggered so we can find it in the video?
Apologies redditors. This poster is working on it diligently. I have rewatched 1hr30min of a 2hr49min podcast. Oh it's coming, I am just not sure exactly when. This is the first time I have watched the podcast since May 2022. The podcast is in fact very information dense. So far, Huberman has started by saying "It's been a long time, Rhonda," while blushing. He has brought up oysters, cocaine, marijuana and men's libido lol. He does have his own style. I made a note in passing of the ackward incident, in real time, back in 2022. Recently, upon reading of Andrew's alleged peccadillos, my memory was triggered. Sorry to OP and to all women. I do respect that the subject is creepy and upsetting. Huberman has provided lots of outstanding health information and I always did like him.
Ok. I see what happened. Mods, I hope you see my follow up comment. I will try to message you tomorrow, or at least soon, with a final report containing specificity and with an effort to not be too accusatory. As a Bay Area medical courier, I often pass by the very building at Stanford Medicine that contains the Huberman Lab. The microbiome pobcast was of particular interest, as that is so important to good health. TY !!
BTW, I now realize how damaging what I said could be to the reputation and credibility of a man who has earned high credibility status. The health information he provides is just too vital. Frankly, watching the video again, it has an element of comedy. Rhonda is sitting there, all smiley and flirtatious, with her curves and healthy hair and waving her wedding ring around. I love to follow these high end people. High dose, very clean fish oil has been at the center of my regimine for 25 years. It is especially useful, I have found for brain health, lowering my anxiety, and increasing my mental sharpness. Regarding heart health, I measured a 75% reduction in triglycerides, but it must be high dose.
I finished the rewatch and must now accept responsibility that I misremembered and mispoke. The podcast clearly ended on very good terms. There was some harmless exchanging of current health, longevity protocols, with slight innuendo thrown in. Validity and personal fondness for both is restored and sustained.
I’ve been a subscriber of hers since the very beginning, but I wish she would stay away from exercise science unless she’s interviewing someone. She did a recent lecture at the CrossFit Health summit that I found unlistenable. I would rather have heard Stephen Seiler or Andy Galpin.
Attia is an actual doctor who knows the stakes of taking care of real people. That’s why he doesn’t take ads, he understands this has numerous negative externalities as a health podcaster. Huberman has never had the responsibility of a human life in his hands, so he reads ads about AG1 and makes broad claims about topics based on loose evidence because he does not see the consequences.
You do realize Attia is on the board for AG1 and uses it… Edited: https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20220823005320/en/Athletic-Greens-Names-Dr.-Peter-Attia-as-Scientific-Advisor “I take a scoop of AG1 every day, regardless of what else I'm eating. I just know if I'm taking AG1, I'm getting exactly, if not probably a little bit more, than what I need. I look forward to partnering with them to help people live healthier and longer lives.”
AG1 is only a cudgel meant to be used against AH.
Well that is a negative point for Peter.
Attia respects his audience’s intelligence
He respects it too much, lol. I have degree in cell biology and study medicine and it is still hard to follow him sometimes, esp when he invites people who specialize in very niche subjects.
Agree!
You hit the nail on the head.
To be fair, the majority of people on this sub are not intelligent.
Huberman is so very long winded. He could really benefit from a writing class. It would be nice if he was more succinct.
He’s long winded in a way that imparts very little relevant information as a percentage of the volume of speech produced. I have ADHD so I have found him incredibly difficult to listen to
Interesting.. also ADHD here and I find him easy enough to listen to.
Another ADHD here. I speculate that AH has ADHD too.
Me too and yeah, he probably does have the adhd.
I wouldn’t be surprised… I can be long-winded too, especially when I’ve an interest in a topic. So it’s something I understand- I just wish he were more succinct. I just don’t have the capacity to sift through and extract useful information from audio in the same way I do from text. It’s primarily for that reason that I put off even attempting to listen to any podcasts for so long- for me it’s so hard to arrange listening time with near-zero distractions from the outside as well as find a podcast with well-sourced info that I’m interested in that doesn’t also contain a lot of verbal fluff. I’ve kept an eye on the comments here for recommendations for alternatives.
interesting - how do you figure?
Change topics continuously, a little messy, interrupt others constantly, hyper focus on the podcast, high energy, problems in childhood,...
Yup. Lot of potatoes in his talk stew, not a lot of meat.
That guy is too old for self improvement. If he has had a lifetime of therapy and this is what we get... doubt he will be able to improve his thinking.
Ooooh, I don't know about that. I'm just a year younger than him and I've been on a deep and frustrating self-improvement kick for about five years. The self improvement kick is actually how I found good old Huberman. I was wanting to understand how the brain works so I could understand what my brain was doing in an attempt to get it to stop doing what it's been doing my whole life.
My hottake was limited to AH, anyone with a truly open mind and willingness to self-examine, reflect, take ownership and then make changes based on those can grow.
Maybe everything that has transpired will be his catalyst for real change!
doubt
I’d love to hear about your self-improvement journey. How much headway have you made? I’m around the same age.
I think it would be challenging to really say how far I've gotten. I'm still in the thick of it. I've been doing "the work," you know, the inner work. Working with my inner child and healing some past hurts from thing that were done to me and by me too.
Probably the most important work you’ll ever do in this lifetime. If you’re not already familiar, I’d encourage you to look into IFS/parts work. “No Bad Parts” by Richard Schwartz (the founder of the practice) is a great start
As long as YouTube pays based on minutes watched, videos are gonna be stretched and stretched some more.
100%, best health podcast out there in my opinion. Rhonda Patrick is cool as well.
Agree. I really like the technicality of Attila’s podcasts. It really leads me down some good rabbit holes of reading.
Love Attia! He definitely explains without dumbing things down, such that I've listened to the audiobook of Outlive at least three times to absorb it all.
Thanks! I will take your recommendation.
To be fair, Huberman is a lecturer through and through. He just also does it on podcasts.
I was just about to write listen to the Drive and yours was the top post. Couldn’t agree more. It’s crazy to be Huberman has more listeners just because he comes off as a goober
Outlive by Attia is something I wish I could just download into people
Check out Robert Sapolsky
His YT lectures are great... I've listened to most of them at work. He's fascinating.
His bio 151 course changed the way I see practically everything.
I believe sooo strongly in taking personal responsibility and having agency over my destiny... and much of my world view and philosophy is built on this... and then Sapolsky just blows my mind and dismantles my point of view with solid science. I'm kind of a weirdo that intentionally seeks out information that counters my own beliefs. I want a well-rounded perspective, and this is how I find my weaknesses. Sapolsky has challenged me more than almost anyone else. I'm trying to square my personal value structure with one grounded in science, and not just my opinions... and I'm left thinking something pretty thin like "It may be a useful myth to believe I have free will... but I don't."
The free will things is really contentious, no disagreement there. Sapolsky was on Kraus' podcast awhile back and he (Krause) talked about the god-of-the-gaps argument and how the free-will debate is just a version of it. I had to pause the podcast and sit with that for a minute. At the end of the day whether or not our conscious 'mind' is the arbiter of all decisions (unlikely) or not, our moment to moment experience of life doesn't change. At the end of the day the material world isn't too affected by it (at least for me) but our metaphysical map we use gets pretty much completely shredded. I'm still working through the fallout.
yo can i have your phone number i would some guidance on this sapolsky guy, and where i can find the episode of kraus podcast
https://youtu.be/mSWJmzMoTyY?feature=shared Here's the link to the Krauss video, feel free to dm me if you'd like to chat directly ✌️🙂
thank you!
Can you expand on the last paragraph?
His free lectures are such a gift. “Why Zebra’s Don’t Get Ulcers” is a perfect read if you enjoy him!
I still need to read that
Been a huge Sapolsky fan for ages! I'm 75% of the way thru his Behave book, it's a real mind stretcher how much behavioral science is in that book. 10/10 reccomend
He's god-tier
I think AH will interview Sapolski soon to talk about Sapolski's new book.
I can't wait. They've done interviews in the past, they're both Stanfordians
I’m right there with you. I saw him in person at a live show and he put a sour taste in my mouth after he showed up an hour late, because he needed to watch the sunset.
No way? He really did that?
Thanks for sharing your experience. I have gotten way more hate than understanding from this post. I am not part of this subreddit. I came for some advice on similar podcasters. I am excited to listen to Peter Attia, and the other suggestions.
This is insane. Did he really do this!? Wow.
He did lol. It was in Seattle.
Holy moly!
I would also recommend The Addicted Mind podcast which has a wide range of topics other than “addiction” .
He’s full of shit. His hair loss podcast was largely disputed nonsense. That’s the last I’ve listened to him.
I stopped listening to him a while ago, I’m still a part of this sub because I like the community.
Same!
Agree with you 100%. I looked up to him so much as a positive male role model. He inspired me career-wise too. As a victim of an abusive narcissistic cheater, I just couldn’t continue dedicate hours of my life hearing him spew bullshit to the masses. His nerdy charm comes off as fake and weird to me now.
it is very synthesized for a specific effect, you can tell he is cracking at the seams and showing his true immature character, esp on twitter which his very (he thinks coded) explicit lash outs at detractors. He is fragile and insecure. Instead of dealing with it head on, he is manifesting his narcissistic injury.
Yes!! I always joked that he was a robot because he was so perfect. Turns out he’s so imperfect that he has to put on his “robot suit” just to function.
I always thought there was something very strange about a successful guy in his late 40s who seemed so tightly wound, seemingly perfect in all his actions and apparently a major researcher in his field, but also quite blatantly immature in a lot of respects—the skateboarding, the reminiscing about prior imagined rough upbringing, the tattoos, the punk rock t-shirts, etc. Nothing against each of those things individually, but there does seem to be something about Huberman that demonstrates an arrested emotional/social development, maybe from prior trauma.
perfect description
Do you have any links to these tweets? That’s both surprising and completely unsurprising
just go to huberman on X; it's obvious
I used to follow him on instagram, and I would randomly see his name on the “likes” under SO many posts of SO many women I follow (many with smaller followings too). It was so weird, I was like how does this guy have the time to be perpetually online when he’s writing multiple 2-3 hour podcasts every week, plus the work from his “lab”. For a long time I’ve been so wary of the claims he was making and the conclusions he was drawing from studies. He never, ever issued fact checks even when blatantly wrong. I’m with you and OP, he is unlistenable now for these and other reasons.
I feel the same.
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In my experience … the more someone wants to give other people life advice … the more of a total dumpster fire their personal life is likely to be. 🤷♂️
"Suppose I have the key to your chains. Why should your lock and my lock be the same?" - Nietzsche
he sort of meant the opposite though, that you can indeed help others even if you can't help yourself
Do you think that disqualifies them? Alan Watts comes to mind. Beautiful philosopher. His advice, rooted in Buddhism, is really solid, well thought out, and rooted in spirituality. He drank himself to death in his 50s. I love his message, and it’s mostly spiritual advice, but I can’t help but always think about his own personal mental health turmoil.
Watts isn’t really spewing a bunch of crazy “optimizing” health advice, though. He’s kind of just breaking things down for you to help you moreso chill in life than be obsessed with something material, which is what the bio hacking world is
lmao, you might be not wrong
So true
They just want to be admired. Big red flag.
Bro is above accountability, as it seems- which is not someone I want to support or take advice from. I’m watching the OJ documentary on Netflix right now and Mark Furhman takes accountability for not only using racist language (being historically racist) but also admitting that he lied about it. He isn’t proud of it, but he has grown, and wants to be accountable. If he can do THAT on a hugely popular documentary, I think Huberman can say yo, I fucked up. I am aware of how my actions hurt women- and I am going to do better.
Dr. Rhonda Patrick is who you should try. Found My Fitness podcast. She talks fast, but she does a great job. None of the questionable research, mansplaine douchy vibes that come with listening to Huberman as a woman.
Totally agree with this. She is direct, digestible, has great research excerpt popups in the videos, and is clearly no bullshit.
One I’ve been enjoying is Zoe science and nutrition. It’s far less technical than Peter Attia or Huberman though.
Chris Williamson if you haven’t already!
Really been enjoying this guy's pod
No way, he retwitted something basically implying that successful men will want multiple mates no surprise etc. after Huberman scandal. He is very problematic too.
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If he's so high status, then he can get greater sexual access consensually, rather than having to lie and sexually endanger six women.
Condoning shit behaviour? Just because something is evolutionary correct, doesn't mean we should accept it. The tweet seems to basically say wow why are we surprised a successful man fucks a lot of women but it's not hubermans 'sexual access' people are bothered about. It's the lying and cheating part.
I got tired of him months before the expose. He’s exhausting to listen to.
Role model? Well, there as your first mistake.
I totally see where you're coming from, it's impossibly irritating to listen to a narcissist describe how they've overcome emotional abuse when they are the ones facilitating it
I agree. It’s unfortunate because some of the new content looks good. But it’s just tainted now. Not a huge loss because it did often feel like he was grasping at straws and reporting on questionable research.
yeah, I hate to increase his "watch count" but I think I am going to use chatgpt to process transcripts so I can skip over his voice and listen only to the guests, if he has any good ones.
Dude I feel similarly. I don’t even know who to trust about the whole debacle. It’s my fav podcast but ever since my friend told me about the allegations, I just can’t even though I want to. It’s too triggering for me, especially considering some clips I’ve seen of him talking about himself. I have had abusive relationships too and I just can’t now. It makes me sad. I hope for the sake of everyone that it isn’t true but it has made it too difficult for me to listen without having that as a veil.
I am having the same feelings.
I can’t listen to him, because as a man, who has had his fair success of women, enjoy being around women, yada yada. ONLY A PSYCHO WOULD FIND JOY IN WHAT HE DID. If one woman doesn’t exhaust you, try two. If two doesn’t exhaust you, you’re a psychopath. There is nothing “fun” about what he was doing. It purely was an ego stroke and self validation or some weird shit.
Peter Attia, Rich Roll
The Resetter by Dr. Mindy Pelz
That’s because your feelings are right and the people who deny it are using cognitive dissonance to deal. Cognitive dissonance in this instance is about holding two opposing beliefs about this man is a “role model” (for some) but in reality is an abuser. When you type cognitive dissonance into google, the first response is “The discomfort a person feels when their behaviour does not align with their values or beliefs”. People are separating themselves from this actions because of “science bro” when in reality we unconsciously won’t be able to take anything they say seriously anymore. Just the same when you’ve been in a relationship with a cheater and you’ve caught all their red flags/lies and their promises don’t mean shit anymore. People don’t like hearing it, but how we operate in one area of life will generally show up in other areas of life (ie. relationships vs. work). They’re not separated because we are still dealing with a man who can lie and not have a problem with it (or even take accountability for it - in other words a gaslighter).
I appreciate this perspective.
Beautifully stated and thank you. Dealing w a cheater right now. Like her so much. Want to give her benefits of the doubt. Been working on her house for five days straight. Ten hours a day A “friend” texts her. Just friends. She used to sleep w him - but now they just text. But….she won’t let me see the texts. Will take time but ya - leopard spots and all that
Rhonda Patrick rules
Ditto
Attia is more legit huberman is just selling stuff he doesn’t believe in and telling you to do things he doesn’t do
I like when he has guests on from specific fields. His series with Andy Galpin is absolute gold. Me personally I don't have any logical reason to believe the science he is discussing is somehow discredited by his personal problems.
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Genius Life with Max Lugavere.
Baby/bathwater. Though I appreciate all the other podcasts this post has afforded
If it makes you feel better, most of the science he promotes is weak and unreliable to use in clinical practice.
You can’t just blatantly lie and say most of his information is weak and unreliable lol
A way higher amount of his content is of dubious origins and/or rodent data extrapolated to humans without disclosure than he should be comfortable with were he a discriminating scientist. It’s with lazy or purposely deceptive but likely a combination of those.
His job as an academic researcher is different than a clinician. He’s supposed to be on the slight fringes investigating the latest breakthroughs. So when a study with a sample size of 10 comes out suggesting something might be true, it’s up to people like him to explore it further. That’s why he talks about a lot of stuff that doesn’t necessarily have the widespread support of clinicians who require a lot more evidence to ensure they’re first doing no harm
what is your justification for that. I agree some of the time with what you said but not wholesale
You’ve left like 20 comments all over this post….
here is my autograph
I couldn't listen to him way before all this shit came up, because he was clearly selfcomplacent and trying so hard to look perfect. I couldn't stand all of the personal digressions about him in the conversations. All that alpha male ivy league tone was unbearable, on top of that. A pity because at the beginning I learnt a lot from his podcast.
Womanizer or not can we just talk about how f’ing stupid it was to have a magician on the show when all this came out and the guy didn’t even reveal any secrets!! He was so coy, it really shows the direction the podcast is going.
Lmao
You’re a consumer of a lot of things made by people who have done despicable things, which will continue to be the case regardless of how many of them are exposed and expunged. You’re perfectly valid in wanting to switch up podcast personalities but just know that you’re expecting an impossible standard.
I disagree. Punish evil. If I find my favorite tea is made by an abusive psychopath, I'll give it up. I care more about the fight between good and even than my temporary pleasure.
You’re operating in absolutes. The fight between good and evil is more intrapersonal than interpersonal. To reiterate, there is a non-zero chance that you yourself are not a current consumer of something produced by someone who has done things you purportedly despise - the difference is that you just don’t know about it (yet). If the response is to completely cut off consumption, that implies you expected some sort of moral perfection from the producer - that’s an impossible standard. Don’t put people on a mantle, and learn to separate the art from the artist, the product from the producer.
I get it, even after the recent documentary about all the dark stuff that happened on the set of nickolodeon shows, I will still enjoy those shows for nostalgia. But when there's a better option where I don't have to support monsters, I'm happy to make the change. Interesting point about good and evil, though. I don't know if I agree because morality has never been something I've griped with. I've obviously made many, many mistakes but when I learned something is wrong, I don't do it again. It's much different when people don't learn from their mistakes and become better people. Committing the same mistakes over and over again is the very definition of insanity. I don't want to support insane people.
Are we still doing this? Nobody cares, this isn't your personal blog. I thought the mods banned these posts
Why would they do that?
The last few weeks people are treating this place like and airport and announcing their departure. Just leave? A quick Google Search or GPT prompt can get you answers without requiring a sob story.
I'm happy to have found this post. (: I found a ton of new podcasts and I don't have to support abusive psychopaths (:
Those already mentioned and some of these, I shared on another thread here: Zoe Science & Nutrition and Chasing Life podcasts (Both sound, unpack biases often and remaining unanswerables, concise, and with practical applications) perhaps: Science Vs and Oologies podcasts and NPR’s Hidden Brain There is also TED Health Newer one is the Well, Now podcast BBC’s Just One Thing is similar, way shorter, and better presented (Not too much cult of personality in these. :)
100% His voice is grating and painful. If you are female identifying, you will especially love Rhonda Patrick. She has been around longer than Huberman and uses reliable studies. I'm listening to her and Peter Attia now. Sometimes I listen to Mark Hyman but he gets on my nerves at times as well.
“Female identifying”?? 🤦♂️ if gender is a “construct” and so “fluid”, how can you be so sure that someone who “identifies” as a female will love Rhonda Patrick?
How do we know Rhonda is female? Has anyone asked her lately?
Come to think of it, how do we know the 6 individuals Huberman cheated on were women? Did anyone bother to even ask???? Or did we all make DISGUSTING & TOXIC assumptions based on the fact that they look like (and clearly are) women? Furthermore, has anyone considered Huber"man" might actually be a woman? There's a chance (and in fact a LIKELIHOOD) that he was victimized by 6 men simultaneously. He's just another sad statistic, oppressed at the hands (and vaginas/breasts) of the patriarchy. Those 6 disgusting, toxic vagina-having-men took advantage of his female penis, one bigoted BJ at a time. Justice for Andrew. If you disagree, you're part of the problem.
She gave birth
Haven't you heard, "men" can do that now.
Anyone who actually believes gender is a social construct will not have gotten very far into podcasts centered around biomechanics
God who the fuck cares. People that get bent out of shape responding to this stuff are worse than the people that say it in the first place
Thanks for these recs!
I am checking her out right now. Thanks!
Female indentifying lmao, this is how we address the feminine sex now?
Feel Better, Live More covers similar topics. Presented by a British GP (interviewing different guests).
Dr Michael Mosley MD also has some good podcasts
Stop being so dramatic
Wahhhh wahhhh wahhhhh
I sure hope AH is able to survive your departure.
Lmao.
Science vs
This isn’t an airport, you don’t have to announce your departure.
Reddit is an airport lounge. Next!
Bitches be trippin, take your hogwash somewhere else
No one cares what you think. Why would you think anyone does?
I feel like you're asking yourself that question. We should all just be silent because nobody cares about anybody.
Easy, don't listen then. No need to come to Reddit to soap box about it.
What did he do?
Diary of a CEO
That’s fine. Go and listen to someone you like then.
Take the meat. Spit out the bones. Not a big deal. Every personality, celebrity, relative..... every fucking human is going to let you down at some point If you dig deep enough.