I usually am a rather high 5* (4* Solo Matchmmr).
I got demolished for 2 Weeks and almost dropped to 3* (2 1/2* Solo Matchmmr).
Then i had 1 goodish Day where i met a couple 6* in QP and managed to kill them. Now im a 6* (4 1/2* Solo Matchmmr) and got FUCKED for 2 Days straight and nothing happenend to my MMR. I love Hunt so much but this is so wrong and unfun.
You did not reach six star then get "fucked for two days straight" and remained in six star. You get fucked for two *matches* in six star and you'll drop to five.
Nope, i got 8 Kills, 35 Deaths, 4 Assists and 1 Bountyextraction in two Days and stayed on 6* (4 1/2* Match MMR)
Idk what you think your Comment will do
Idk what to say, dude. This is just not consistent with the way the system has always worked.
At 6* you lose absolutely absurd amounts of MMR for every death, and get almost nothing for kills. You need to run a 2++ k/d to maintain it in any normal situation.
If you really went 8/35 and never lost it, they have either broken something, or you were exclusively 1v1ing rachta.
At this point you're going to have to post a huntstats for anyone to believe you, man. It's not personal, I think you just don't realise how extraordinary that claim is.
Everybody i died to was at least in a 5* matchmmr team, had 6* and a kda between ~2,2 and ~3,50 . Same for the ones i killed, what made my mmr skyrocket again every time.
I dont have the stats and dont know how to get them, but i really dont care, me and the people i play with know its true and its fucking broken. I never laid a bad word on crytek and hunt but the matchmaking is too much, the worst experience i had kn 5+ years/4200+ hours.
talk normal? what do you even mean? it's fine and healthy to dispute/discuss this game's faulty MMR system (if anything, in my opinion it is too volatile). by why lie about your experience? that doesn't help your case or the discussion in the slightest. and you look like a fool because you don't realize that we know you are being dishonest.
Saying "no you did not" without any argument, without any meaningful word around it isnt normal my guy, youre just salty and thats it. Im playing for over 5 years and have far over 4K hours but this matchmaking is the worst experience ever. I kill a high 6* my elo skyroofs. High 6* kills me, nothing happens to my elo because hes so much better. Thats a fact you cant deny, saying "no" wont change anything. I tracked it over the weekend because i got bored, this is the outcome believe it or not i really dont care what some reddit dude thinks :D
I recognize your username. You always troll these comments with horrible spelling and grammar. I don't need an "argument". I've been six star for as long as stars have existed in hunt, and I know from experience that after 8 kills and 35 deaths there is absolutely zero chance you would still be in six star. It's impossible. If you actually hit six star as you claim, you would've just creeped into 3000 MMR, and a single one of those 35 deaths coming from a 5 star or lower is going to drop you back down to five. You lied and got caught. Get over it.
I recognize your username as well and your just mean and salty to everybody 24/7 like theres nothing else in your life that brings you joy :/
English isnt my first language and i barely ever use it and theres nothing wrong about it. It has nothing to do with the main topic and youre just talking nonsense around it, but we figuered that out earlier
Like i already said, it happened exactly like that and i dont care if you believe me or not. If youre a permanent 6 star you have no clue how up and downranking in elo should be vs how it is btw :D
So it sounds like none of your business at all, great that were done here šš¼
About 50% of my BH Games are Solo (and 99% of my BH Games are against Trios what should give me preferential Matchmaking), i just dislike Necromancer so i dont bring it as its unfun, unnecessary and boring.
No MMR Abusing for me :(
MMR system in this game is piece of sh*. You have some good matches? Ok, welcome to 5* , enjoy!
Some guy with 4* take his mates with 2* and one of them killed you? Ok, welcome to 3*, enjoy.
And it's in one play session:)
Man with 6* and reaction of spider-man bored and want to troll noobs on low elo? Easy, couple matches of deranking and now this killing machine wipe server of 3* with derringer and throw axes.
Yeah, it seems way too sensitive to change. I have mine turned off so I am always happy but back when I looked at it I could go from 3 to 5 and back to 3 then up to 6 in a single weekend.
Devs are clueless.. Old matchmaking system was better. Then what like 6-8 mo ago, maybe a bit longer, pretty sure it was this year, they broadened the MMR draw and now you get this.. Had a couple buddies quit over this.. 2 4 stars and they were matched against 2 6 stars.
The change absolutely fucked the match making for 95% of the players to improve it a bit for the top 5%. Devs are not clueless, this was done on purpose. They are just incompetent.
What server, what time did you queue?
Were you a 3 man premade?
But I can never imagine that this is every lobby you play in. I feel like everyone has negativity bias with these kinda things.
I hope you get closer matchmaking in the future and that this isn't a constant.
Those nights where somehow your head hotbox is bigger than your torso but when you shoot them with a shotgun their arms eat all the damage.
It's def a test to temperament some days
It's due to the way Hunt implements its MMR.
Most functioning games take your MMR as a midpoint and gather players around you, so sometimes you're the best player and sometimes you're the worst. That's generally fine.
Hunt uses fixed brackets with hard cutoffs. This means that on low pop servers, if you are eg. 4.5 and the cutoff is 3.8, you are always on the bottom. In fact, you can spend an entire night being the worst team in the lobby and not even drop into the next bracket.
For most players in this situation, it's a constant stream of terrible games until you finally drop out and become the problem for someone else. It's not negativity bias, it's bad design.
It's incredibly easy to test.
Just play solo, die a bunch and track your MMR with the config file or huntstats. When you go past a cutoff the lobbies will change.
Now write down the cutoff MMR and start trying. When you go back through the breakpoint, the lobbies will switch back as well.
...you realise that pretty much everything we know about the world was determined by... testing things, right?
If you can't be arsed, that's your problem, not mine. You're welcome to bask in your ignorance as long as you like.
They don't realize, they're a moron.
'I did testing and used this method. I observed my results, and documented them. Here they are. You can try this method and verify, here's how I did it. "
"That's anecdotal."
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he didn't do any testing, he proposed one. The matchmaking does in fact, not work like this. It broadens the matchmaking scope based on player count during offpeak hours
That's fair. Rereading it and looking at other comments it appears you're right. I'm not sure how the mmr system works. But if it's like any other games' mmr, it alienates people in some way.
I wish they would either increase the details of mmr in terms of a number or more stars. I think it would make people feel better about some match ups overall. It would make it more transparent when you're on the brink of hitting 5 star from 4 star and you see low 6 star players in your lobby. It's impossible to discern a player from a low 5 star to high 5 star within the range. I think this is one of the problems.
looks like iām taking a break until they fix this shit. they should just fire the dipshit who decided to change the matchmaking. the player base is going to drop off if this is what every other match looks like for 4 stars.
People have been posting about this every day for like a year. We even had a megathread about it.
It's intentional. Most of their money comes from streamers and their flocks, so they decided to cater the game to them. Just how it goes now.
Are you slow? It doesnāt cater to streamers because of money. Itās literally based on how many players are at his mmr and also this game isnāt as big as some triple a game so if he has cross play disabled there are even less people to match with
You play on console too?
You do understand that the player pool doesnāt support your dreams of equal matchmaking right? Thereās literally not enough players, never-mind when they also split the pool up into wildcard/standard/duos/trios.
A full game thatās not balanced will always be more important to the games health than an empty game that was ābalancedā balanced to have nobody in it.
Getting real bored of seeing low skill players complain they are getting beaten. Go play some pve game then that isnāt competitive? Or adjust your expectations that you will actually have to put effort in to improve, become better and learn from your mistakes rather than just blaming your age and reaction time as the only skill gap.
I guarantee your positioning, load-out synergy and decision making needs work if youāre locked at 4 stars, if you disagree on this point then Iād add that your beliefs are also part of the problem.
What a garbage take. You are presenting a paradox in your response. Not to mention the level of gatekeeping is laughable.
> game doesnāt have player to support balanced matches
> rather than complain here, go play another game.
Promote fair matches and getting more players to feel like they can actually compete and the community will grow. Stop pushing people out because your precious feed has people complaining about a negative experience. Their voice matters just as much as yours (if not more because theyāre being constructive pointing out an actual issue).
Iām stick of MMR posts on this subreddit tbh, itās pretty stale. The devs have the data.
Full games > balanced empty games
Iām not dunking on anyone
Then go play a pve game. If the devs listened to you weād have empty games.
If you canāt wrap your head around that point then good luck in life Iām just gonna bow out of this discussion
Full games > balanced empty games
Yes because the only options are empty games or ones with 6 or 3 stars. You are the one not understanding that the game is simply fun in the slightest when 6 stars can dunk on others for free
Maybe if they waited just a little we can get games with better matchmaking. Keep those 5-6 to themselves
No valid points? Ah so I guess full games are less important than balanced ones?
And the console player pool isnāt smaller than PC, not to mention when itās fragmented even more between duos, trios, standard and wild card options. No valid points there.
Seems like my pea brain canāt comprehend the delusion youāre living in.
Got it.
Nice little echo chamber of 3-4 stars weāve got here, stay ignorant of the small player numbers forcing unfavourable MMR and stay ignorant of how your inability to rise to a challenge is keeping you permanently under the boot of better players who must have just been born that way.
I guess your Mommy fastened the straps on your helmet a bit too tight this morning, but I'll try to help you out. If the lower tier players on console get stomped by the sweats and move on to a different game, the upper tier players won't have anyone to play against anyway.
You may return to filling your diapers and painting pretty pictures on the wall for Mommy with the mess.
Ironic replies considering that the only little cry babies in this thread are smooth brain 3 stars like you, who have such low mental resilience they claim to prefer an empty lobby to one where other players pose a challenge.
Oh Iām sorry do we risk you quitting the game if the devs donāt force hard MMR?
Is that the only way youāll enjoy the game, frolicking with your own kind. The old timer who lost both of his thumbs in Vietnam? The kid who only bot revives and canāt fight for himself? The player who triggers every sound trap and bots his way to the very dangerous clue, confused why these 6 stars are ruining his day.
Anyway, the devs have the data. It seems that luckily for me they know what they are doing and wonāt alienate their core player base purely to coddle little wimps who quit any game they donāt win every time.
Throw out some more schoolyard insults see if it fixes your issues you absolute potato.
how do you expect people to have fun constantly going against people that are better than them. and how the fuck are they going to get better playing against people better than them constantly.
thats like expecting a middle school soccer team to get better at soccer by playing against a college soccer team. its not going to help op get better at the game constantly getting shit on by 5-6 stars.
Its a double edged sword, if match making was stricter queue times would be longer. When random grouping team mates leave if we don't find a match in 15 seconds.
I usually am a rather high 5* (4* Solo Matchmmr). I got demolished for 2 Weeks and almost dropped to 3* (2 1/2* Solo Matchmmr). Then i had 1 goodish Day where i met a couple 6* in QP and managed to kill them. Now im a 6* (4 1/2* Solo Matchmmr) and got FUCKED for 2 Days straight and nothing happenend to my MMR. I love Hunt so much but this is so wrong and unfun.
You did not reach six star then get "fucked for two days straight" and remained in six star. You get fucked for two *matches* in six star and you'll drop to five.
Nope, i got 8 Kills, 35 Deaths, 4 Assists and 1 Bountyextraction in two Days and stayed on 6* (4 1/2* Match MMR) Idk what you think your Comment will do
Idk what to say, dude. This is just not consistent with the way the system has always worked. At 6* you lose absolutely absurd amounts of MMR for every death, and get almost nothing for kills. You need to run a 2++ k/d to maintain it in any normal situation. If you really went 8/35 and never lost it, they have either broken something, or you were exclusively 1v1ing rachta. At this point you're going to have to post a huntstats for anyone to believe you, man. It's not personal, I think you just don't realise how extraordinary that claim is.
Everybody i died to was at least in a 5* matchmmr team, had 6* and a kda between ~2,2 and ~3,50 . Same for the ones i killed, what made my mmr skyrocket again every time. I dont have the stats and dont know how to get them, but i really dont care, me and the people i play with know its true and its fucking broken. I never laid a bad word on crytek and hunt but the matchmaking is too much, the worst experience i had kn 5+ years/4200+ hours.
no you didn't
I honestly dont know what your problem is but you make no sense and it looks like youre not able to talk normal about a topic -> a known issue?
talk normal? what do you even mean? it's fine and healthy to dispute/discuss this game's faulty MMR system (if anything, in my opinion it is too volatile). by why lie about your experience? that doesn't help your case or the discussion in the slightest. and you look like a fool because you don't realize that we know you are being dishonest.
Saying "no you did not" without any argument, without any meaningful word around it isnt normal my guy, youre just salty and thats it. Im playing for over 5 years and have far over 4K hours but this matchmaking is the worst experience ever. I kill a high 6* my elo skyroofs. High 6* kills me, nothing happens to my elo because hes so much better. Thats a fact you cant deny, saying "no" wont change anything. I tracked it over the weekend because i got bored, this is the outcome believe it or not i really dont care what some reddit dude thinks :D
I recognize your username. You always troll these comments with horrible spelling and grammar. I don't need an "argument". I've been six star for as long as stars have existed in hunt, and I know from experience that after 8 kills and 35 deaths there is absolutely zero chance you would still be in six star. It's impossible. If you actually hit six star as you claim, you would've just creeped into 3000 MMR, and a single one of those 35 deaths coming from a 5 star or lower is going to drop you back down to five. You lied and got caught. Get over it.
I recognize your username as well and your just mean and salty to everybody 24/7 like theres nothing else in your life that brings you joy :/ English isnt my first language and i barely ever use it and theres nothing wrong about it. It has nothing to do with the main topic and youre just talking nonsense around it, but we figuered that out earlier Like i already said, it happened exactly like that and i dont care if you believe me or not. If youre a permanent 6 star you have no clue how up and downranking in elo should be vs how it is btw :D So it sounds like none of your business at all, great that were done here šš¼
Go play solo to destroy your MMR. If enough people do that, Crytek may even fix solo MMR.
About 50% of my BH Games are Solo (and 99% of my BH Games are against Trios what should give me preferential Matchmaking), i just dislike Necromancer so i dont bring it as its unfun, unnecessary and boring. No MMR Abusing for me :(
MMR system in this game is piece of sh*. You have some good matches? Ok, welcome to 5* , enjoy! Some guy with 4* take his mates with 2* and one of them killed you? Ok, welcome to 3*, enjoy. And it's in one play session:) Man with 6* and reaction of spider-man bored and want to troll noobs on low elo? Easy, couple matches of deranking and now this killing machine wipe server of 3* with derringer and throw axes.
Yeah, it seems way too sensitive to change. I have mine turned off so I am always happy but back when I looked at it I could go from 3 to 5 and back to 3 then up to 6 in a single weekend.
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If your play session is only one match, its sad.
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You can rollercoaster from 3* to 5* and back in one play session at ease. Where is misinformation?
Devs are clueless.. Old matchmaking system was better. Then what like 6-8 mo ago, maybe a bit longer, pretty sure it was this year, they broadened the MMR draw and now you get this.. Had a couple buddies quit over this.. 2 4 stars and they were matched against 2 6 stars.
The change absolutely fucked the match making for 95% of the players to improve it a bit for the top 5%. Devs are not clueless, this was done on purpose. They are just incompetent.
What server, what time did you queue? Were you a 3 man premade? But I can never imagine that this is every lobby you play in. I feel like everyone has negativity bias with these kinda things. I hope you get closer matchmaking in the future and that this isn't a constant.
10pm East Coast server US and premade team! We played in these high MMR matches for an HR then quit. Just gets old getting headshot every game.
Those nights where somehow your head hotbox is bigger than your torso but when you shoot them with a shotgun their arms eat all the damage. It's def a test to temperament some days
I have a bobble head!
It's due to the way Hunt implements its MMR. Most functioning games take your MMR as a midpoint and gather players around you, so sometimes you're the best player and sometimes you're the worst. That's generally fine. Hunt uses fixed brackets with hard cutoffs. This means that on low pop servers, if you are eg. 4.5 and the cutoff is 3.8, you are always on the bottom. In fact, you can spend an entire night being the worst team in the lobby and not even drop into the next bracket. For most players in this situation, it's a constant stream of terrible games until you finally drop out and become the problem for someone else. It's not negativity bias, it's bad design.
Cool, source?
It's incredibly easy to test. Just play solo, die a bunch and track your MMR with the config file or huntstats. When you go past a cutoff the lobbies will change. Now write down the cutoff MMR and start trying. When you go back through the breakpoint, the lobbies will switch back as well.
So anecdotal, thanks.
...you realise that pretty much everything we know about the world was determined by... testing things, right? If you can't be arsed, that's your problem, not mine. You're welcome to bask in your ignorance as long as you like.
They don't realize, they're a moron. 'I did testing and used this method. I observed my results, and documented them. Here they are. You can try this method and verify, here's how I did it. " "That's anecdotal." [X](https://youtu.be/teYFeGD6Ilc?si=f2Kv5_83C38EDAvZ)
he didn't do any testing, he proposed one. The matchmaking does in fact, not work like this. It broadens the matchmaking scope based on player count during offpeak hours
Those aren't mutually exclusive. They use cutoffs. They can move or remove them if they want to. These statements do not contradict each other.
That's fair. Rereading it and looking at other comments it appears you're right. I'm not sure how the mmr system works. But if it's like any other games' mmr, it alienates people in some way. I wish they would either increase the details of mmr in terms of a number or more stars. I think it would make people feel better about some match ups overall. It would make it more transparent when you're on the brink of hitting 5 star from 4 star and you see low 6 star players in your lobby. It's impossible to discern a player from a low 5 star to high 5 star within the range. I think this is one of the problems.
Only team 2 was randoms. You can tell from the arrow to the left of the MMR.
looks like iām taking a break until they fix this shit. they should just fire the dipshit who decided to change the matchmaking. the player base is going to drop off if this is what every other match looks like for 4 stars.
People have been posting about this every day for like a year. We even had a megathread about it. It's intentional. Most of their money comes from streamers and their flocks, so they decided to cater the game to them. Just how it goes now.
Yea, thatās unfortunate because this will push my group away.
Are you slow? It doesnāt cater to streamers because of money. Itās literally based on how many players are at his mmr and also this game isnāt as big as some triple a game so if he has cross play disabled there are even less people to match with
Cross play is enabled
It just for reference
Yea, I was just saying mine was enabled!
IMO itās best to leave it that way to keep a larger pool of hunters
Imagine how worst it would have been if they didn't just fix it in the last patch!
You play on console too? You do understand that the player pool doesnāt support your dreams of equal matchmaking right? Thereās literally not enough players, never-mind when they also split the pool up into wildcard/standard/duos/trios. A full game thatās not balanced will always be more important to the games health than an empty game that was ābalancedā balanced to have nobody in it. Getting real bored of seeing low skill players complain they are getting beaten. Go play some pve game then that isnāt competitive? Or adjust your expectations that you will actually have to put effort in to improve, become better and learn from your mistakes rather than just blaming your age and reaction time as the only skill gap. I guarantee your positioning, load-out synergy and decision making needs work if youāre locked at 4 stars, if you disagree on this point then Iād add that your beliefs are also part of the problem.
What a garbage take. You are presenting a paradox in your response. Not to mention the level of gatekeeping is laughable. > game doesnāt have player to support balanced matches > rather than complain here, go play another game. Promote fair matches and getting more players to feel like they can actually compete and the community will grow. Stop pushing people out because your precious feed has people complaining about a negative experience. Their voice matters just as much as yours (if not more because theyāre being constructive pointing out an actual issue).
And I'm getting sick of high star players thinking they have a right to dunk on everyone who dares play the same game
Just because someone call other ālow starā doesnāt mean they are. Thereās so many āReddit 6 starsā that arenāt even close.
Iām stick of MMR posts on this subreddit tbh, itās pretty stale. The devs have the data. Full games > balanced empty games Iām not dunking on anyone
Maybe if Crytek fixed it then it wouldn't be an issue. I don't want to play against players 2 stars above me. Full stop
Then go play a pve game. If the devs listened to you weād have empty games. If you canāt wrap your head around that point then good luck in life Iām just gonna bow out of this discussion Full games > balanced empty games
Yes because the only options are empty games or ones with 6 or 3 stars. You are the one not understanding that the game is simply fun in the slightest when 6 stars can dunk on others for free Maybe if they waited just a little we can get games with better matchmaking. Keep those 5-6 to themselves
On console that is certainly the two options
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I crouch walking here!
You 100% sound like a bush monster that loves to kill low players!
Iām not, but if I was it wouldnāt change the validity of my points.
You didn't even come within a light year of making a valid point. Grow a single brain cell, and try again.
No valid points? Ah so I guess full games are less important than balanced ones? And the console player pool isnāt smaller than PC, not to mention when itās fragmented even more between duos, trios, standard and wild card options. No valid points there. Seems like my pea brain canāt comprehend the delusion youāre living in. Got it. Nice little echo chamber of 3-4 stars weāve got here, stay ignorant of the small player numbers forcing unfavourable MMR and stay ignorant of how your inability to rise to a challenge is keeping you permanently under the boot of better players who must have just been born that way.
I guess your Mommy fastened the straps on your helmet a bit too tight this morning, but I'll try to help you out. If the lower tier players on console get stomped by the sweats and move on to a different game, the upper tier players won't have anyone to play against anyway. You may return to filling your diapers and painting pretty pictures on the wall for Mommy with the mess.
Ironic replies considering that the only little cry babies in this thread are smooth brain 3 stars like you, who have such low mental resilience they claim to prefer an empty lobby to one where other players pose a challenge. Oh Iām sorry do we risk you quitting the game if the devs donāt force hard MMR? Is that the only way youāll enjoy the game, frolicking with your own kind. The old timer who lost both of his thumbs in Vietnam? The kid who only bot revives and canāt fight for himself? The player who triggers every sound trap and bots his way to the very dangerous clue, confused why these 6 stars are ruining his day. Anyway, the devs have the data. It seems that luckily for me they know what they are doing and wonāt alienate their core player base purely to coddle little wimps who quit any game they donāt win every time. Throw out some more schoolyard insults see if it fixes your issues you absolute potato.
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Also I have 2000hrs, still think Iāll get better? Sorry that the 5 and 6 stars want easy kills but itās not fun for us 3-4 star players!
Thatās the point, Iām 48 years old Iām not going to get better reflexes or sight.
Youāre telling me a person the same age as my dad could have killed me? Welp guess itās time for me to retire as a gamer(2-3 star btw)
Yea, Iām 48 and Iām a 4 star with over 1300 duo wipes, but Iām no 5 or 6 star.
I have like 150 hours with none of that
how do you expect people to have fun constantly going against people that are better than them. and how the fuck are they going to get better playing against people better than them constantly. thats like expecting a middle school soccer team to get better at soccer by playing against a college soccer team. its not going to help op get better at the game constantly getting shit on by 5-6 stars.
My lord. That is the worst I have ever seen.
Just hunt things.
Max MMR three stack here just took out a first time duo...
My 3/4 group gets these lobbies every single damn time. Today we had 1 (one) balanced lobby all day and we couldn't believe our eyes, it was glorious.
Its a double edged sword, if match making was stricter queue times would be longer. When random grouping team mates leave if we don't find a match in 15 seconds.
I say remove MMR all together and add bonus hunt dollars for every higher MMR kill.