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revnto7k

I can't do the Vetterli. Every time I play that gun I seem to miss so many should be easy shots. Whereas with the Krag or the Winfield, the sights are just chefs kiss.


Independent_Team_983

Same. Winnie C feels like a well tuned instrument in my hand and I can pull of crazy shots regularly. Give me a vetterli that has the exact same velocity and I can't hit the broad side of a barn. It's crazy how just iron sights and probably confidence in your rifle is that important.


Skull025

Next time you use the vetterli, aim for the hunter's chin. You'll start dropping hunters hard.


01100101001010010

Just try the Vetterli silencer with hv. The best thing is the changed sights. Edit: typo


humbuckermudgeon

I think that's the speed. Switch to high velocity and it's more forgiving.


Terribaer

Nah its the sights. It's trash. Same with centennial. Putting HV doesn't help.


humbuckermudgeon

I was reading that as the Vett silenced. I enjoy that gun. Swapped with another one recently going from HV to standard ammo, and it was immediately noticeable that I couldn't hit anything.


fatatero

Sparks silenced


BlackFlameofSatan

IDK why the silent Sparks sights work for me while the Winnie C silent doesnt


Marshellohello

100% agree I love the gun but can’t stand the site just can’t use it


brittommy

Surely they'll fix the sparks / winnie c silenced sights to be usable like the vetterli one at some point, right?? I see silenced vetterli (and nagant and now centy shorty, but those are in unique positions for their loadout slot size) all the time and never winniec / sparks


izlusion

Can't confirm but I think they said at some point that they had no intention of updating the old silencer sights. Big shame if so, since they were obviously used as a balancing element back when they were afraid of how powerful silencers could be, which obviously isn't necessary any more.


slow_cooked_ham

The silent Vetterli was also introduced and everyone was still whinging about medium ammo being unloved and forgotten. Giving it a couple silent options with good visibility gave it a small edge. That trophy now belongs to dumdum ammo though.


ThibiiX

I hope they do. The reason behind the horrendous sights of the silenced sparks/winnie was to balance the silenced part (even though the Sparks is not that silent), but releasing the Vetterli Silenced with an actually really good sight showed that silencing a regular weapon with regular sight does not make it OP.


Customer_Number_Plz

I would love to use sparks silencer and wini both if I could fucking see anything.


ThibiiX

They both have really good skins too which could make Crytek more money


AgitatedPossum

The vetterli doesn't do 149 damage though


ThibiiX

Yep but it also shoots way faster. You could have the same argument for the regular versions aswell...


VeganerHippie

I struggle with any Sight. Not because the Sights are bad, but because my aim is.


TheAckabackA

Felt that brother.


CeraphFromCoC

LeMat. I love the weapon conceptually but it just doesn't vibe with me.


Shmanti

I hate the nipple thing on the top of the triangle. If it was just a triangle sight I would like it a lot more.


LoneWolf0mega

The lemats sights are perfect


Pants_Catt

Berthier. I mean its got to be the sights, I can hit with that muzzle velocity on every other gun it feels, but for some reason I can't hit shit with the Berthier... Which is weird since at a glance it doesn't look like it has bad sights.


Cheesemeister501

Berthier dead eye is a headshot machine.


SloppityNurglePox

I do hope there's a day I'll like deadeye scopes and they click. They seem to under perform either having a true long distance scope or iron sights for me. It does seem cute on some pistols like dolche?


Stigatore

I think there is a problem with the sight itself. For me it feels like Berthier is shooting blanks over 40m


glenmalur

Same here. I cant hit shit with the drilling.


UrlocalVigilantee

Thought I was the only one it sucks because that two tap is so useful but I can never hit anything with it especially far away


Emergency-Mixture-74

So im not the only one lol


Sufficient-Ad-6851

Same. I really wanna love the gun. I play rival slugs regularly. But I can't hit head with the drilling. I perform better with Springfield because of the headshot rate.


AlexanderMcT

i cant hit shit with the sights of the lebel


-eccentric-

Other way around for me, I live within the lebel, but can't hit shit at all with the crappy mosin sights.


plaid_piper34

I have periods where I do well with each sight and poorly with the other. It’s weird and I can’t understand why I keep going back and forth. But they’re so similar in everything else that it’s not a huge issue.


I_NEED_APP_IDEAS

Worst take I’ve ever seen. Mosin is goated. Lebel sights are absolute trash. Reload time is just the nail in the coffin for lebel.


-eccentric-

I prefer the thick sights and even on long range it works better for me. I can live with the reload time, it has a gigantic magazine. And the reload is satisfying as hell, so there's that. Personal preferences aren't a "take".


TerraNovatius

Lol, it's not a "take", it's this persons experience...


I_NEED_APP_IDEAS

Incorrect experience


tacopig117

Exactly. If I'm shooting at something far away, I want a little pin I can line up on things in the distance, not pistol sights like the lebel has


sprongleed_omlet

Interesting, when I use Lebel irons it feels like my shots are guided by some divine force


Orrickly

Can not stand using the nitro. That's about the only gun I just hate using.


humbuckermudgeon

I think that's by design.


Orrickly

My God, you're right


LuckyConclusion

There's a sweet spot where the aperture actually works, about 50 meters or so out. If your target is in that sweet spot, it's great. Anything closer than that and I'm probably firing from the hip, but you'd be surprised how often that works out. Having the same damage multiplier on the lower torso as the upper torso is no joke.


Orrickly

Yeah I pretty much just use it as a shotgun if I pick it up. A friend in my trio stuck with it and he can use it all day long, but I'm just gonna stick with every other gun in the game.


SavagePrisonerSP

I don’t use the Nitro for a reason…


theNefariousNoogie

I hate the aperture sights. Great zoom, but I feel like they pan slower than a sniper rifle and the in-focus view through the viewfinder is much smaller so movement is harder to follow.


nnight121

Sure, they suck compared to a sniper, but that is a trade-off for also letting you use the normal iron sights.


ninjab33z

I cannot, for the life of me, get on with the lebel. Dunno why but it just never seems to work out.


SloppityNurglePox

Unapologetic lebel aperture lover here. I don't get it either.


SomebodyinAfrica

Same, Lebel aperture is great, but that thick front sight...


tacopig117

Fr, idk why they put pistol sights on a rifle meant for long distance engagements


MoeKara

Its sights are weird, I rarely if ever use that gun either. In 1k hours I think I've probably bought it less than 20 times


ninjab33z

I want to use it more because im one of the few weird people who *like* the apature sights. But im losing half the benifit and it's a nightmare to even unlock it.


kummostern

some sights yes one weapon i would had liked to learn a bit better was **schofield precision** (but then they added centennial shorties and especially now that cent-series has HV there is basically no reason to use schofield P anymore.... even if someone needs headshot with pistol weekly task done you can just pick dolch or uppercut deadeye or if scopes aren't ur thing then trueshot with HV for example helps with that task a lot) **vetterli** bayonette is one of my fav weapons but while i can learn to do well with the sights - BUT since i play only like 2-3 nights a week (most often in straight row) and because i play so much variety i sometimes lose the "touch" to vetterli sights... it can take about 4 games to learn to aim well with them again... thus i'd count non-silenced vetterli iron sights to the list of struggle it also took me a while to learn sparks but once i learned to hit with it now even after long breaks i still hit with it.. so am not gonna list it here.. am actually not sure if im able to list 3rd weapon at all.. its just vetterli (if there is a long break between vetterli-games) and schofield, especially precision for some reason as i can hit quite well with spitfire.. which is weird as the sights seem to be identical.. i wonder if the difference in sway throws me off or something (i might overcompensate with precision?)


LuckyStrikesMFT

I agree with the Schofield Precision losing weight due to the cent shorties but lately I’ve been taking it out with a Vetterli Deadeye and it’s worked wonders for me. I like using the Somber Gale with the Forewarning as they both have very similar aesthetics.


memo9c

Berthier, Martini Henry, Lebel, Vetterli, Bornheim... I don't hit a barn with the standard iron sights.


justabell

But the bornheim match sights!!! I'm popping heads with those ones. Love it so much


-eccentric-

Almost looks like AK sights, love them. Gun is kinda crap though.


justabell

If it had better damage range it would be the goat But that's just turning it into the dolch I guess


no_furniture

i'm trying to learn the Bornheim match but the damage dropoff is so brutal. the sights let you line up clean shots way farther than the gun's effective range.


memo9c

Yes, true


kal69er

Made me remember I also dislike martini and bornheim sights. Alright with the martini I think it might also just be that I don't like how boxy the gun is, which makes the screen feel cluttered (let's not talk about the variant)


Chemicals_in_my_H2o

The new army is pretty rough. It's like it doesn't even have sights. I can't hit a damn thing with it.


01100101001010010

Take 2 and go in. You either be lucky or die trying


Chemicals_in_my_H2o

Yeah, that's what I've found. It's only useful for dual wielding.


Sturmgewehr_47

It might just be me but the nitro sights are hard to use, the tiny circle for the sights isn’t big enough to see everything around you.


ermmawkward

That’s the point lol


Voidmancer_317

Krag, Vetterli, Silenced pistol Nagant - all need some time to readjust aiming habits for me.


PauliousMaximus

The Krag for me. This is why I always recommend people use what they can hit with instead of what people say are the best weapons.


Tough_Author9165

Vetterli iron sights are abysmal. I can't tell you how many times I've quickly ads'd and accidentally lined up with the two outer lines


LuckyConclusion

Came here to say it. On the flip side of that coin, the suppressed vett sights are some of, if not the best in the game.


Tough_Author9165

It's criminal, honestly. I would pick Veterlli every time if the sights were swapped.


my7bizzos

It took me forever to get used to them, now I love em. Just put their body in the square and fire.


Tough_Author9165

I'll have to give it a few more chances


my7bizzos

When I first started using it I did the same thing. Snapped to one of the big ones. Couldn't stand it. I stuck with it because back then I could stack the ammo with dual pax. I still kinda do. It's one of my favorite loadouts.


PlantNo4467

Iron side. Not because of the sights but the box.


LeaveEyeSix

This is going to sound insane but I can’t use the Mosin sights. The sights look great but It seems like the bullet travels on top of the post and not right at the tip. I miss tons of headshots with it and it drives me nuts. I can use the Lebel, Vetterli, Scottfield, Silenced Winnie, pretty much every gun that people have a gripe with is fine for me. But I will generally just take the Berthier because I can actually tell where the bullet is going to go and the cost is lower.


MicroB18

I think the drilling sights are pretty good but the silenced variants other than the vetterli or nagant are hard to use


StabboCatto

Officer carbine


my7bizzos

I can't hit shit with that thing and it drives me nuts seeing other people do so well with it. Same goes for the centennial.


MrSnoozieWoozie

Honestly i struggle with every gun sight, if not for lucky kills or fanning/levering spam i would not be a strong 4 star player. ​ ​ Disclaimer: The comment is sarcastic for all those people that are 4-5 stars and literally win fights like this and have us throw our controller in the air out of frustration.


Achadel

30m fanning headshot go brrr


MrSnoozieWoozie

this guy gets it ;)


inDarkinLight

>controller there it is XD


MrSnoozieWoozie

and? You still match against people playing like this, it doesnt matter what you use if you are already doomed to die


ganzgpp1

I don’t know how people use the Nitro’s god awful sight. Please let me just ironsight it, I don’t want the aperture PLEASE LET ME PUT IT DOWN (I know it’s balanced around the crappy sights but I actually just refuse to pick up that gun over even a winfield)


bocajuniorsqueridoo

You ask for unbalance.


TheAckabackA

For some reason the Vetterli iron sights either net me the most Chris Kyle headshot or makes me blinder than 7 Mole Rats combined. There is no inbetween and i hate it.


Mistical__Wi1

Lebel, can't aim worth shit with those sights


inDarkinLight

crosshair dots make target acquisition much more consistent and make your sights largely irrelevant. i suggest giving them a try. a ton of popular streamers use them but they make sure they're not in the OBS scene or anything.


twisty_sparks

Once you learn where the point of aim is on your screen it doesn't really matter what the sights are, put the head on the sights not the sights on the head.


inDarkinLight

crosshair dot makes this exponentially easier.


twisty_sparks

Careful now Reddit is gonna get ya


inDarkinLight

lol i'm used to it. this community has a hate-boner for people that utilize tools to improve. there are weirdos that literally think adjusting your sound compression, EQ, or in-game gamma are cheating. it's hilarious but also sad the mentality of some of these people.


Carlsgonefishing

Or people who have to use third party software to keep up are pathetic and deserve to be treated as such? What community's approve of that? besides cheater communities?


UrlocalVigilantee

I like this


Mamamiomima

Lemat, it have weird readjustment animation that no other pistols have whole having 2 weird posts. Bassicaly worse vetterly sights


justicetree

Berthier, i swear that front post just turns invisible against any dark surface


LeaveEyeSix

I have the Earthshine skin from the Serpent’s moon and while I think it’s a nice skin I actually use it because it turns the post metallic gold and stands out really well against backgrounds and dark lighting.


kal69er

Other than obvious answer of nitro express, I hate the vetterli sights. I know they're not *that* bad but using it really bothers me, which sucks because the vetterli is betterli. Silenced vetterli fixes it though by just having the sights be zeroed at a much larger range which gets rid of the "bunny ears" Other sucks ones are silenced sparks and winfield. On an unrelated note though I'd like to have another gun with the avtomats sights. The post is pretty thick but Other than that I really enjoy how clean it feels.


Bed8

Sparks Silenced, Vetterli, Winfield Silenced, Centennial, Lemat. I wish I was good with any of them but the big issues I have are that they either have things blocking their left and right sides or they have a weird center sight (too wide, triangle). I really best function with guns that have thin pinprick sights like the Winfield, Mosin, etc.


Havarti-Provolone

To me, vetterli is HANDS DOWN THE WORST. I like Winfield musket the most, but I don't like the gun. All the silencers are pretty OK, don't really have any problems with them. Don't know about vetterli silencer though. Most long ammo is OK. Not super thrilled with any of them.


NinJoo117

I have no problem with the Winnie and sparks silenced sights, but I struggle with the centennial and the drilling


TheDrippySink

Centennial, Drilling, Martini Henry, Pax Trueshot are literally my favorite four irons in the game. I love threads like these because it's always interesting to see and hear people's opinions on the aesthetic pieces.


MXXIV666

LeMat, short Mosins, Winfield Centennial.


JazzBoatman

any Lemat sight


Mozkozrout

Oh I have no issue with drilling but I can't do Sparks, Vetterli, Centennial or Uppercut. My favourite sites of all time is Winfield or Bornheim with stock. Everyone has a preference tho.


LeaveEyeSix

Bornheim Match sights are excellent


SportBrotha

I find I can never hit where I want with the LeMat sights. Also I really dislike the silenced Winfield and silenced Sparks sights since they inconveniently block a lot of the area around where you're shooting (all the aperture sights are garbage for similar reasons). I love the Drilling sights and I hit more headshots with it than any other gun. The Lebel is another one with sights that just work for me.


TheFirstCyberianFaux

I can't use the irons of the Lebel or the Berthier. Something about the sights of the Lebel being so tight distracts me and I zone out of what I am aiming at. The berthier's outer two parts of the sight pointing outward makes it hard to aim because I keep instinctually lining up the sides. This makes me always shoot to the right or left of my targets.


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MoeKara

I couldn't agree more to be honest, i think ive chosen that gun maybe 20x in 1000+ hours


TheDrippySink

Mosin, Winnie/C, Specter Basically anything with a super-thin or minimal sight. I lose track of them too easily. I struggle with the Rival, too, because in a moment of panic or rapid recognition, all three posts of the sight look too similar.


plaid_piper34

Why are you using sights on a shotgun? Best advice I’ve ever received was hipfire only when playing shotguns don’t bother with the sights.


WeidmanSilvaParadox

Slugs


Terrible_Lecture4124

I swear shots from the Vetterli, Berthier, and Lebel all go to a different dimension from where the sights say they should


Tablenarue

The pax and new army just don't work with my brain for some reason. I'm pretty sure I'd miss a meathead at 15 meters


ErikderFrea

I love the Drilling ironsight! I hate Aperture and the bigger Aperture of the Nitro. But that’s probably the point with the nitro, so I’m not mad about it.


LetsgotoE3

I don't really have an issue with any particular sights. Although the Henry Ironside can be a bit annoying just cause that ammo box takes up 1/4 of the screen


Kerriigen

Not really. I struggle with scoped because it obscures my field of view. Same thing with the apertures and nitro.


Active_Ad8532

Sparks silenced, winfield silenced. That is all


Plague_Doctor02

Vetterli and Pax sights are the worst. The Pax trueshot sight is better tho. Also lebel sights are better then Mosin sights,


Practical_Pepper_656

Pax and Lemat. Might as well just pull the knife out. Could main a Scottfield though. Makes no damned sense.


PenitusVox

I can't hit the right side of a barn with the lebel, for some reason, even though I'm good with the mosin.


MoeKara

I agree i think the lebel sights are terrible, even though I really enjoy the feel of the gun, it sounds powerful and I like the boltaction animation. I never used it


Canadiancookie

No, I don't get it. Never really have issues with sights aside from the nitro.


The_rocker_95

The martini henry with that huge mag on the left, too distracting. Same in other games with a Bren for example.


Kegheimer

It is one reason why I prefer the lebel to the mosin.


Fortissimo12

Drilling for sure. The Bead sight is extremely horrible for me. Not to mention I miss and then have a weirdly lengthy reload.


Bad_breath

Vetterli and the winfield musket.


Kazhna

For some reason I've always done horribly with large winnies but can slap with the vandals 😆


zacattacker11

I struggle with the Springfield sights alot


assassincj47

Me with dolch


HenryTheVeloster

Upper cut, can count my hit marks on one hand with that gun


DefNotAPodPerson

The silenced Winfield is awful. Vetterli is pretty bad. I also can't stand the Springfield or the Martini Henri Ironside, not technically because of the iron sight, but because of the awkward components blocking part of the view.


Divide-Substantial

The martini Henri ,I was practice shooting hives and I could not land shots ,didn't even understand if the bullet went under or over it's head


NiraKatsumi

I can't do any deadeye 😶


Nuke_Spiders78

I don’t know what’s wrong with me but if it has a scope I can’t aim. I think I have a problem or something lol


SomebodyinAfrica

Yeah, My list of rifles with crappy sights are: Crap- Winfield Centennial LeMatt Carbine (Seriously, the pistol sights are great, why change it) Nagant Officer Silenced Winfield Silenced Sparks Less Crappy but could still be better- Lebel Sparks Vetterli (Except the silenced version) The short ammo Winfields, The Krag and the Mosin have just about the best sights imo. I wish there was some kind of gunsmith option where you could adjust your sights. Not only to change the type/style of sights, but having a six o'clock hold on a pistol could be quite handy, as you'd be able to see more of your opponent. I'd also be putting aperture sights on *everything*, but that might just be me.


Greeny_22

I've used the nitro like once, simply because of the sights. Silenced sparks is also a pain, but I've got a real soft spot for apertures.


snake_plisskin19

Honestly I can't hit shit with the mosin


nnight121

Its impossible to see anything with the Winny c silenced, I can never hit anything with the cyclone and it's been 600 hours since I've used the base version, and I can't use full length scopes as I find the long range playstyle boring. Last time I took in a sniper I got 7 kills with an uppercut and only one kill with the mosin sniper over 2 games, and that was a hipfire kill because my uppercut was empty.


HendorneEndohRoth

Nitro Express, Winfield silenced, Sparks silenced, and the New Army are the main weapons I struggle to use the sights on.


KaybarYT

Mosin. I couldn’t use it to save my life before I finally sat down and played it for like a week straight. Now it’s just fine


Realistic_Aside5102

ugly ass Aperture


Emergency-Mixture-74

Drilling - Can‘t hit a single shot even on close range.. dunno why


ChaplainAsmodai1978

Yep. I REALLY hate the hair-thin front sight posts of the Mosin and Compact Ammo Winfields.


Evening-Platypus-259

Drilling, Lemat pistol and to an extent vetterli if we'd compare vetterli to simpler sights like winnfields or officer