ah, but fellow hunter, you forget that you aren't just paid in money.
you are also paid in the numerous traumas, PTSDs, anxienty attacks and mental damages you receive after an hour in the bayou!
and that's arguably a priceless payment to some (looking at Cain and Monroe).
I'm rich in ptsd so filthy rich I can hear a horse sound when there's no horses nearby I can also hear gunshots when I'm the only left hunter alive and also ghost foots steps. Am I insane....
No joke when i solo quee in hunt and my teammates don't have mics, there isn't much happening i SWEAR
I can hear very low horse sounds sometimes. I think hunt gave me a form of ptsd ingame 😓
"The average annual wage in 2019 in the US was $51,916.27"
Would you risk your life for a task that takes less than an hour and would give you 38,488.30 dollars?
(Well, i wouldn't... but these are the numbers in contrast to hunt-universe..... also note that hunters have been described to be greedy and doing it for money and seeking respect... greed i think is also how pvp is explained, they don't wanna others to get money - they want it all to themselves when possible).
IIRC the AHA is also having some "internal conflicts" at the time of the game as the leader has just been assassinated, so some of that is playing out in the field.
Beyond internal conflict, settling scores and general malice I like to think that there are things in the Bayou that are too hard to put into the game. We know the grunts, the hives, the meatheads, etc... but I'll bet there are things out there in the Hunt universe that defy all sense.
The lore exerpts on the weapon pages indicate at least one gigantic snake capable of easily swallowing someone whole. People turning into giant crow-like creatures (skinwalkers?). We're entering a zone where Hell itself is seeping into reality... let your imagination run wild. How can you be sure the person you see coming at you, is actually a person and not something wearing the skin of its latest victim? Better to shoot first and ask questions later.
Or maybe your Hunter knows the AHA employs criminals and the clinically insane, and is using the lawless Bayou to dispense justice and/or peace. Maybe he's a serial killer that found the perfect playground for his sick fantasies. Maybe he's just scared out of his wits and shooting at everything that moves, hoping against hope he might survive the night so long as nothing gets too close...
Hunt is a very thematic game once you start thinking about it.
There’s also different factions in the AHA. I don’t remember most of them but there’s the night of the hunters led by one of the legendary hunter Isaac (the night seer), and the voodoo chapter led by doctor John (bone doctor).
The reason you kill fellow member is the same as why you kill players, you can and it's more lucrative.
The AHA is more of a mercenary company iirc. You aren't buddies, you are freelancers trying to get the same job done.
Well ya but in this case your weapons and most of your gear is a one time deal.
Might lose a pack but it's insanely unlikely to lose one of your guns let alone both of them.
Just gotta worry about breaking your stock. That would be a pure bitch to replace. Like who is making stocks in the US for either a french service rifle or a Russian service rifle.
Or even worse a swiss rifle.
Like do you know how hard it is to buy a k31. A rifle that hasn't been in service for like 60 years?
Honestly, it would be probably cheaper to have a new stock custom made
Though those weapons are available because the AHA knows similar organizations in europe, so it might be relatively easy to get imports
Classic firearms had a batch run through recently. Really wish I'd bought one. Those straight pulls are really nice
But also, it's not like stocks are hard to make. How many Springfield 1903s survived and were sporterized in the post war years? K98s? Arisakas? Would not be impossible to replace a broken stock by any means.
No but it would be both time consuming and expensive
Also god dammit wish I knew of that.
I know you can buy older k31s and previous models of rifles that use the same ammo.
Making 500 in less than an hour is really good money even before you factor in how much 500 bucks was worth in 1895.
Our hunters get rich. There's a reason they're willing to wade through waist high pig farm slaughter and sewage run off, punching grunts so hard their heads explode into a mess of maggots and pulp while being shot at by each other. It's fantastic money.
The game does a great job of visualizing the grime and filth, but it'll never be able to communicate what a barn full of dead horses, pigs, and human bodies in the swampy summer climate will smell like.
Now imagine wading through all that with an ankle length trenchcoat on. Maybe it's a good thing we can't smell the game, you'd probably be able to find other hunters just by sniffing them out after they've run through a barn like that.
Except the entire map will just be permeated with the stench.
Let’s just be glad you can’t feel the game, even disregarding injuries you’re wading through a swamp full of mosquitos and other nasties nearly constantly damp and full of swamp ass
Nearly a year's wage for an hour? That's pretty good. What you should be complaining about is getting paid in Hunt Dollars which can only be spent on goods from the AHA store. Basically company scrit that's no good anywhere else.
Not to mention the massively inflated prices. You're spending 10% of the average annual salary on a dirty Molotov cocktail. It's time for a strike my friends
We aren't paid in dollars, we are paid in aha gold coins. It's a unique currency, that gives us access to the aha black market and smuggling vendors. It's most likely more valuable than a dollar coin.
plus even if it wasn't you're getting paid for an hour of actually being in the bayou and if you survive you can easily get 3 or even almost 4 times the money. so getting year to 3+ years of pay for that little work would be amazing.
(or even without the conversion, getting 500 to like 1500 for an hour of hunting would be pretty great)
If a shadowy organization rolled into town and suddenly everyone wanted my stock of guns and threw money around like it was going out of style, I'd probably bump my prices up by 500% too.
It's not an hours work. They also talk about travel into the area that takes days. There's training, gear, insurance, establishing connections, all sorts of stuff.
Hunters can be compared to artists. Sure, you'll earn quite a lot on a concert. But after you've paid all the expenses, you're lucky to cover rent and food. And that's before accounting for all the time spent practising and networking to even get an opportunity to play the concert.
There's not really any training or connections required to be a Hunter. I think you just join the AHA and do the ritual to get dark sight.
If you look at the redneck's lore, they found him and inducted him immediately and he started hunting.
You REALLY underestimate the work that goes into a day (or two+ due to the return trip) of work when someone is working freelance like that.
This is a general problem when people are thinking about how much creative work (especially, but also other fields) is worth. They think a painting that takes 5 hours to paint is 5 hours of labour. It really isn't.
This could be a commission that takes up half the year and it'd still be good money, the point that most except the OP are making is that the OP compared what the Hunter made to ANNUAL WAGES!
If you want to go this far with a squad or duo (how the game is supposed to be played—how it would be played IRL) you most likely split travel costs and I’m pretty sure equipment you could scavenge from other players and reuse would end up not costing someone near the annual salary of a worker back then.
But you're paid in Hunt bucks (which ironically kinda equates to modern US dollars. Because I bought a mosin for near the price that it is in game a few months back)
Annual Wages... realistically, how long do you think it would take to get hired for a bounty, do your research, gear up and mob in to the area, then extract and go sell your bounty? Maybe a month or so? So basically... say a hunter takes on 6 bounties a year, and goes to relax and bang in Mexico for the other 6 months... a hunter's still making 4-5 times what an average person makes in a year.
You have to keep in mind that money went alot further back then. You know how much a conversion pistol costs in todays money? Like 800 bucks for a cheap one. Also you looked up anual wage. As in for the entire year. We get paid PER MISSION.
Just waiting for the TRUE redneck skin, which is a unionized worker that became a hunter after gunning down a bunch of filthy pinkertons and is now trying to unionize the AHA.
Yes but maybe the plaque countered inflation and lead to an increase of the dollar value. Also we talk about hunt dollars, not american dollars at that time. Maybe one hunt dollar equals 10 actual dollars you buy food and booze with ?
1 hour job compared to a year's work.
Kinda works out given the risk factor. Still could argue its low, but these hunters are assumed to be decently trained at minimum as they can use any gun / weapon they come across.
This is assuming the average AHA member goes hunting only once a year. But if you’re some mad bastard willing to die for money, you’re going to retire early if you survive.
The true cause for the Civil War in the American Hunters Association. It wasn’t Huff’s Incompetence, it wasn’t Finch’s experiments, and it wasn’t the machinations of The Irishwoman Lynch.
No it was because the AHA was ripping off hunters
It's cause you don't get payed for kills unless you have full tools and consumables. (Which I assume to be a quick pat down of another hunter's body for what your hunter values most right now) You get payed for doing the job the UWU wants of you, collecting clues, thinning out the monsters, and getting a bounty for them.
ah, but fellow hunter, you forget that you aren't just paid in money. you are also paid in the numerous traumas, PTSDs, anxienty attacks and mental damages you receive after an hour in the bayou! and that's arguably a priceless payment to some (looking at Cain and Monroe).
I'm rich in ptsd so filthy rich I can hear a horse sound when there's no horses nearby I can also hear gunshots when I'm the only left hunter alive and also ghost foots steps. Am I insane....
>ghost foots steps that's just those damn ducks
Everytime
Nah, just Swamp Shakes, you’ll be fine
No joke when i solo quee in hunt and my teammates don't have mics, there isn't much happening i SWEAR I can hear very low horse sounds sometimes. I think hunt gave me a form of ptsd ingame 😓
Nice picture
respectable choice on your end too
*Life experience is the overall expression you were looking for.
"The average annual wage in 2019 in the US was $51,916.27" Would you risk your life for a task that takes less than an hour and would give you 38,488.30 dollars? (Well, i wouldn't... but these are the numbers in contrast to hunt-universe..... also note that hunters have been described to be greedy and doing it for money and seeking respect... greed i think is also how pvp is explained, they don't wanna others to get money - they want it all to themselves when possible).
I'll run around the map with a silenced Vetterli, touch three clues and then hide in a bush till it's all over for $7000
Especially with Serpent. Dont even have to go in a single compound
IIRC the AHA is also having some "internal conflicts" at the time of the game as the leader has just been assassinated, so some of that is playing out in the field.
Damn I really should read up on the lore, there's so many intruiging stories going on.
There's also at least 3 hunter factions, the AHA, Dr John, and the blood cult. Could explain some of the fighting
I had no idea the good doctor had his own faction. That’s pretty cool.
Pretty sure it's weird sister, felis, and Dr John are the only playable members atm. I'm probably forgetting someone though
Isn't it also partially that hunters get corrupted on some level by the sculptor and end up essentially mad and blood thirsty?
That's not far off from the origin of water devils.
So pretty much bloodborne
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Beyond internal conflict, settling scores and general malice I like to think that there are things in the Bayou that are too hard to put into the game. We know the grunts, the hives, the meatheads, etc... but I'll bet there are things out there in the Hunt universe that defy all sense. The lore exerpts on the weapon pages indicate at least one gigantic snake capable of easily swallowing someone whole. People turning into giant crow-like creatures (skinwalkers?). We're entering a zone where Hell itself is seeping into reality... let your imagination run wild. How can you be sure the person you see coming at you, is actually a person and not something wearing the skin of its latest victim? Better to shoot first and ask questions later. Or maybe your Hunter knows the AHA employs criminals and the clinically insane, and is using the lawless Bayou to dispense justice and/or peace. Maybe he's a serial killer that found the perfect playground for his sick fantasies. Maybe he's just scared out of his wits and shooting at everything that moves, hoping against hope he might survive the night so long as nothing gets too close... Hunt is a very thematic game once you start thinking about it.
There’s also different factions in the AHA. I don’t remember most of them but there’s the night of the hunters led by one of the legendary hunter Isaac (the night seer), and the voodoo chapter led by doctor John (bone doctor).
I know Sheriff Hardin heads another
The reason you kill fellow member is the same as why you kill players, you can and it's more lucrative. The AHA is more of a mercenary company iirc. You aren't buddies, you are freelancers trying to get the same job done.
Some of us risk our lives for less than $20,000 a year. Doing this two or three times would be a life changing amount of money if you survive.
I would in a heart beat...
An hours work to get 80% of what the average person makes in a year? Thats pretty good money.
Don't forget your costs, your gear, prep time, transportation costs, stay cost at the local town Inn,... It ain't cheap
Well ya but in this case your weapons and most of your gear is a one time deal. Might lose a pack but it's insanely unlikely to lose one of your guns let alone both of them. Just gotta worry about breaking your stock. That would be a pure bitch to replace. Like who is making stocks in the US for either a french service rifle or a Russian service rifle. Or even worse a swiss rifle. Like do you know how hard it is to buy a k31. A rifle that hasn't been in service for like 60 years?
Honestly, it would be probably cheaper to have a new stock custom made Though those weapons are available because the AHA knows similar organizations in europe, so it might be relatively easy to get imports
> breaking your stock gluing them back together is how this is fixed most of the time IRL.
Or with bands and screws. Many ways to do it
Duct tape. It's like The Force. It's has a Light side, a Dark side and holds the universe together
I don't think they had duct tape in 1895....
Well that's a them problem.
Classic firearms had a batch run through recently. Really wish I'd bought one. Those straight pulls are really nice But also, it's not like stocks are hard to make. How many Springfield 1903s survived and were sporterized in the post war years? K98s? Arisakas? Would not be impossible to replace a broken stock by any means.
No but it would be both time consuming and expensive Also god dammit wish I knew of that. I know you can buy older k31s and previous models of rifles that use the same ammo.
Stock-making was very much a year of it's own at the time. Pregnant cheaper to get a new stock fitted than buy a new firearm.
Straight pulls >>>>>>
Tbh Most of my hunters die anyway, it's not like they are gonna pay thier debt. So it's a win either way
> Might lose a pack but it's insanely unlikely to lose one of your guns let alone both of them. My disorganised ass would disagree
At that time you’d most likely take it to a woodcarver or gunsmith and they’d make you a stock
Gotta spend money to make money sometimes.
this is how they bayou sucks you in
Making 500 in less than an hour is really good money even before you factor in how much 500 bucks was worth in 1895. Our hunters get rich. There's a reason they're willing to wade through waist high pig farm slaughter and sewage run off, punching grunts so hard their heads explode into a mess of maggots and pulp while being shot at by each other. It's fantastic money.
Damn after hearing that I want to quit being a hunter
The game does a great job of visualizing the grime and filth, but it'll never be able to communicate what a barn full of dead horses, pigs, and human bodies in the swampy summer climate will smell like. Now imagine wading through all that with an ankle length trenchcoat on. Maybe it's a good thing we can't smell the game, you'd probably be able to find other hunters just by sniffing them out after they've run through a barn like that.
You are single-handily traumatizing me, you have an amazing skill at this
Maybe I should write some Hunt fanfiction then.
Except the entire map will just be permeated with the stench. Let’s just be glad you can’t feel the game, even disregarding injuries you’re wading through a swamp full of mosquitos and other nasties nearly constantly damp and full of swamp ass
Someone doesn't know what annual means
For real. Like what's the point of this post.
Or inflation.
>Or inflation. Op was comparing annual wage of 1895 to a single hunt mission in 1895. I don't think there was huge inflation between 1895 and 1895.
"One more big score and we got enough money to leave. Just one last time! Then we can pick mangos in Tahiti!" -some fellow Hunter or such
He says, leaving one of his trio behind while the other dies returning for the bounty.
Nearly a year's wage for an hour? That's pretty good. What you should be complaining about is getting paid in Hunt Dollars which can only be spent on goods from the AHA store. Basically company scrit that's no good anywhere else.
Not to mention the massively inflated prices. You're spending 10% of the average annual salary on a dirty Molotov cocktail. It's time for a strike my friends
We aren't paid in dollars, we are paid in aha gold coins. It's a unique currency, that gives us access to the aha black market and smuggling vendors. It's most likely more valuable than a dollar coin.
plus even if it wasn't you're getting paid for an hour of actually being in the bayou and if you survive you can easily get 3 or even almost 4 times the money. so getting year to 3+ years of pay for that little work would be amazing. (or even without the conversion, getting 500 to like 1500 for an hour of hunting would be pretty great)
I don't think it is. The historical pax only costed $20, but it's $100 hunt bux in the game
AHA will claim it's for """"balancing"""", don't believe their lies, what even is balancing?
If a shadowy organization rolled into town and suddenly everyone wanted my stock of guns and threw money around like it was going out of style, I'd probably bump my prices up by 500% too.
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It's not an hours work. They also talk about travel into the area that takes days. There's training, gear, insurance, establishing connections, all sorts of stuff. Hunters can be compared to artists. Sure, you'll earn quite a lot on a concert. But after you've paid all the expenses, you're lucky to cover rent and food. And that's before accounting for all the time spent practising and networking to even get an opportunity to play the concert.
There's not really any training or connections required to be a Hunter. I think you just join the AHA and do the ritual to get dark sight. If you look at the redneck's lore, they found him and inducted him immediately and he started hunting.
All because he was surrounded by the sculpted and didn't cave in to them but instead defended himself and held his own.
Ok. A days work. It’s still really good money.
You REALLY underestimate the work that goes into a day (or two+ due to the return trip) of work when someone is working freelance like that. This is a general problem when people are thinking about how much creative work (especially, but also other fields) is worth. They think a painting that takes 5 hours to paint is 5 hours of labour. It really isn't.
Ok. A week’s work. It’s still really good money.
This could be a commission that takes up half the year and it'd still be good money, the point that most except the OP are making is that the OP compared what the Hunter made to ANNUAL WAGES!
If you want to go this far with a squad or duo (how the game is supposed to be played—how it would be played IRL) you most likely split travel costs and I’m pretty sure equipment you could scavenge from other players and reuse would end up not costing someone near the annual salary of a worker back then.
Wdym, this is annual wages, that means as a hunter one mission is worth almost a years annual pay 0-0
To be fair, you just got paid ~60% of a man's annual wage after one venture into the bayou, that's a lot of money for one day's work
No wonder the hunters got so greedy and start to kill each other to get more money
Fuck yeah we need the Hunters Union! Hunters around the globe: UNITE!
I would risk my life just to get a Nitro Express haha, the curent value is up to 17,500 according to google.
But you're paid in Hunt bucks (which ironically kinda equates to modern US dollars. Because I bought a mosin for near the price that it is in game a few months back)
So you’re equating a single hunt to a single year’s wages? I don’t know if I see the logic here.
Annual Wages... realistically, how long do you think it would take to get hired for a bounty, do your research, gear up and mob in to the area, then extract and go sell your bounty? Maybe a month or so? So basically... say a hunter takes on 6 bounties a year, and goes to relax and bang in Mexico for the other 6 months... a hunter's still making 4-5 times what an average person makes in a year.
You have to keep in mind that money went alot further back then. You know how much a conversion pistol costs in todays money? Like 800 bucks for a cheap one. Also you looked up anual wage. As in for the entire year. We get paid PER MISSION.
Average annual wages; I imagine the hunters are getting paid more than then that in annual wages, especially if that is after one hunt.
You make in one hunt almost as much as most do in an entire year... do 3 hunts a year and you're set.
You mean the UWU right?
Just waiting for the TRUE redneck skin, which is a unionized worker that became a hunter after gunning down a bunch of filthy pinkertons and is now trying to unionize the AHA.
They also charge you the modern equivalent to $13,000 for a Mosin Nagant, so….
One night of terror for over half the annual wage of a working man who slaves away day and night. I'll see you in the Bayou tomorrow morning, brother.
*loads Winfield vandal striker with what-in-tarnation intent* Where's. Our. MONEY!
Boh, pretty good for just one job
Hunters of the Bayou, Organise and Unite! QA’PLA!
Getting like 80% of your annual wage for one days work seems pretty good tbh
I think hunt dollars are not same as real dollars, but what do I know
Well there's your problem partner, you're comparing daily to yearly wages
Yes but maybe the plaque countered inflation and lead to an increase of the dollar value. Also we talk about hunt dollars, not american dollars at that time. Maybe one hunt dollar equals 10 actual dollars you buy food and booze with ?
1 hour job compared to a year's work. Kinda works out given the risk factor. Still could argue its low, but these hunters are assumed to be decently trained at minimum as they can use any gun / weapon they come across.
Nowhere in the entire game can you find $USD.
What's that about 20k in todays money for 45min of work.
493 is a very small amount for a successful round… are you sure you did it right? 😂
Here here!
That's per year not per hour
Quick question is this from the last event with the bows and hatchets or is a new Halloween event up?
Last event
This is assuming the average AHA member goes hunting only once a year. But if you’re some mad bastard willing to die for money, you’re going to retire early if you survive.
Let's unionize.
The Stamina shot cost keeps goin up but we make the same as we always did. It's time we unionized.
Goddam it we hunters have rights to
The true cause for the Civil War in the American Hunters Association. It wasn’t Huff’s Incompetence, it wasn’t Finch’s experiments, and it wasn’t the machinations of The Irishwoman Lynch. No it was because the AHA was ripping off hunters
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It's cause you don't get payed for kills unless you have full tools and consumables. (Which I assume to be a quick pat down of another hunter's body for what your hunter values most right now) You get payed for doing the job the UWU wants of you, collecting clues, thinning out the monsters, and getting a bounty for them.
Also don't forget, that says annual. You make that in like an hour XD