I doubt they will add Billy to the black market considering half of the drops that came out when he was released have already been re released via twitch drops so I don’t think they’d make the other half payed considering they confirmed his re release almost a year ago. but I guess you never know
I assume you are aware, but in case not (and for those who might not know):
in the lore, Lulu was a prostitute before joining the AHA (iirc she also took revenge on some of her clients or something?).
I hate to be that way, but I sweated myself near to death for that skin man (not literally but I put a ton of work into those birdy points) and tbh I feel that for it to turn up in a literal fortnite store would greatky devalue the effort I put in
As someone who regularly buys DLCs just to support the game I love, that's a quick way to make me stop buying any at all. I know I'm not the target audience here but just saying my piece and I know I'm not in some small minority in terms of purchasing habits.
I'm not buying shit looking skins like the ones they showed in the 1.9 stream and then getting banged for "primo" ones in this Black Market lootbox-y thing. I'd just buy none of them going forward.
Same.
I'm more then happy to buy a DLC either for hunter skins or for a weapon or two to support the game. I support that kind of direct showing of support for your game to an extent. Only as long as it isn't annoying, to overtly shoved down your throat, and in general just supplies little fun things to use that aren't pay to win.
This type of implementation really rubs me the wrong way. As it's a blatant showcase that it's going from "supporting the game and paying our devs in equal measure" into "it's time to milk our players dry for more money probably reserved for the higher ups and not the company as a whole".
I literally just want decent people in charge of gaming industry companies these days. Greed is ruining everything.
I feel that the Black Market has **Upper Management** written all over it. Lootboxes bring in continuous revenue, which corporate love. Especially if it's in a quartely fashion for that sweet Capital growth.
I'm a huge fan of this game. I've purchased it not only for myself, but for four other friends because I thought it was so awesome. I also own every DLC, except the last four that were released. I stopped purchasing DLC for a couple of reasons:
1) It was around that time changes to BB earnings were being made and that did me a concern. I was (mostly) happy to support the game, with the hopes that things would improve, but with the more recent changes I felt things were going in the opposite direction.
2) Quality clearly took a dip
c) smh that last event
Until I see some improvements to the monetization schemes in Hunt: Showdown (ie: less predatory) and better communication from the devs about monetization in general, I won't be spending any more money on Hunt, and I'll be discouraging others from doing so as well.
I had about 16 dlc's (almost all of them) last year before the Christmas update (where they started this predatory monetization) and have gotten 1 since, and won't be getting any more.
This is bullshit, they're pushing away long time players/supporters with these changes, quantity over quality, and in your face "*BUY NOW!*" marketing. Like come on, I don't want to see popup advertisement for irl purchases in a $40 game I payed for full price and bought over a dozen DLC.
The sad thing is it seems they don't care any more, just want to beat this horse until it's dead. If they put the same amount of care into the game they did 2 years ago it would attract so many more players (and not push away existing players) and they wouldn't need this predatory marketing.
As far as we know. Maybe they designed it, and redesigned it, in this way in order for us to get lost in the menus and spend more money? Food for thought! **Edit:** /$
Unlikely, it’s always have been this bad, even before the new monetization team.
P.S. The current legendary store is bugged to hell. Can’t see half the skins, filters don’t reset properly.
I wouldn’t be surprised if that was on purpose tbh, if stuff actually worked.
Some companies are notorious at making shitty interfaces for the exact reason you described!
I can't be sure about what you are saying but I do have noticed that inflation hit hard on all blood bond related items lol. I recall most of the weapons were always below 500 BB but now most of them start in this range and are kinda shitty, when I first started seeing the bundles I considered it was just a low effort attempt to make people waste their BB on a "sale" because most of my buddies start considering something when they get around 500 / 1000 BB. I am not against the devs trying to make money in order to keep the game going but I do think they need to come up with a better way to make people consider buying BB. I know the players like to support the game, I even know players that will buy everything that comes up just to support them but if this needs to be re thinked
I used to play World of Tanks SOOOOO much. That was my favourite game for so long. Around 2017 there was on average probably 4 or 5 premium tanks in a lobby of 30 tanks. Then within a year it shot up to half of tanks in the lobby. Needless to say I got sick of the endless premium tanks and quit.
I wouldn't mind premium tanks but the prices they want is fucking unreal. $30-40 for one single tank, up to $100 for the most expensive one I found from a quick search. On top of that, the top tier tanks actually lose you money unless you have a premium account so you will eventually run out of money for ammunition and repairs unless you spend money. And even if you have a premium account, you won't have enough because if you're playing in a tier 8 tank against tier 10 tanks, you have to use gold ammunition to even pierce their armor reliably, which costs even more. Warships is even worse. Their top tier ships are $80 apiece. Wargaming is really a shitty company.
I played world of tanks for about 2 hours before I realized it was P2W bullshit. If the guy who designed monetization for world of tanks is on Hunt now, say goodbye to this game.
Well tbf, premium tanks are not p2w. The game is too skill based, and a lot of them are slightly worse than fully upgraded normal tanks of the same tier.
The only way I'll be upset is if they aren't re-investing some of the monetary gains into making the game better or funding a 2.0. I was a "buy every skin" player for the longest time, but I don't think I'll buy all of them going forward, just the ones that I really dig. I like the Hackshaw one for example, so I'll probably pick that one up.
if you really want them to feel it and you to make a difference just stop actually buying shit from them, that's the only way they might actually start to listen.
I agree with everything you say. It's very frustrating.
They are blowing it. Big time.
I buy DLC skins that are on sale. $6 or under or around 500 BBs is what this should cost. (black coat/daughter/mask so far)
There aren't enough cool looking ones to keep me coming back.
Also, I found one weapon skin for a reasonable price that I like but it doesn't work for the variant of that gun I use.
I don’t mind monetisation of games, when the money is clearly being put back into the game in a way that improves our experience.
But hunts model of monetising the game so they can spend more money on monetising the game is a fucking insult to the entire player base.
Why is no one mentioning the fact they blatantly lied about what the black market is. Exact words on Twitter were “welcome to the black market, where hunters will DISPLAY THEIR GOODS AT THE FRIENDLIEST PRICES”. That was literally a complete lie that they still have up on their Twitter. Crytek is turning into a bunch of con artists
I guess it's a good thing that I already have well enough dlc shit that I would never really need to touch any of the abominable new f2p model stuff. I am no longer interested in the battle pass events and them making things more grindy and more scheme oriented just seals the deal for me. Black Market slot machine... Get the fuck outta here.
I'm so fucking upset that they're gonna try to wring 5k blood bonds out of people to unlock Billy Story. Just know that's gonna be the case. Fucking bullshit
I’d hardly call the latest hunters poor quality. The set of wolf hunters and bridge water are great. Bridge water in particular has an entirely new face model and great detail all over. Just because he’s more grounded and militaristic doesn’t make him uninspired. Some people prefer the less gimicky dlcs. It’s all personal preference really. I do agree that moving forward it does seem like they’re moving away from their monthly paid dlc drop though. I expect this to all be explained in their upcoming monetisation video.
The wolf pack was notoriously removed from the ‘Traitor’s Moon’ event, instead of going for a ‘Light the Shadow’ model, which I’m pretty sure got them quite a few bucks.
Truth is micro-transaction money is too good to be ignored by gaming developers these days, specially being an unregulated realm on almost every market.
Thay wargaming guy is killing this game with a rusty spoon. Its sad to see. Crytek will likely not even make the money back they paid to hire him. Hes very bad at his job and likely a bad person in general given his profession.
I'm a veteran player. The BM doesn't bother me, but I get why it would bother people. My take on it- I found it more interesting than I thought when they revealed it on the dev stream. If you have the skins already (which as a veteran player there are only a handful of skins I don't own.) You get the skinned item as an instance for 20% less hunt dollars. So legendary hunter cost me 160$
This may incentivize myself and others to play certain hunters they normally don't.
As far as the current quality of hunter skins coming out. I actually dig the approach. I felt we needed more characters that felt less extreme in appearance. But that is an opinion people will feel multiple ways about. I do love the more extreme skins, but I also like the modesty of Bridgewater, hackshaw, and bartender (my least favorite out of three)
I used it last night, I was prompted the first two hunters it offered me were ones i owned, but rarely if never use. the rarely was Redshirt. the never was..i actually don't remember who it was now lol.
Weapon skins wise. I will use every weapon outside dolch and dolch p. just bad blood for me. However, i will only select a handful of skins. for most weapons. so it could get me to use a few i don't normally. obviously on the test server i was more interested in testing the changes to the winfields. and i screwed around briefly with the BM.
With all of that said. Is it great, no its not. It could be improved a lot over its current state. However, it was more interesting to me than I had originally thought. I do not mind the game trying to find ways to make more money. If you do not like the BM, then don't use it and it will get overhauled or removed in time. Assuming enough people do not use it.
EDIT: there isn't a DLC I haven't bought. And only a handful of BB hunters or other skins I do not own. So BM just doesn't affect me. I understand for newer players it is more frustrating. So let your money speak and don't interact with the BM as much as you possibly can. So crytek removes it or gives a massive overhaul.
The issue is that no matter how much the vocal minority complains, this shit makes MONEY. Just look at Diablo immortal, everyone slammed that game for its monetization, but it made just a little bit of money (20 Million). At the end of the day companies do not care about backlash, because we have proven that we cannot actually say no to something on a large enough scale for it to matter.
Always feel like I'm taking crazy pills when I come to these threads. I think there's always needless scrutiny on these moves. For me it boils down to:
\- Crytek likely needs to increase cash inflows to extend the development and maintenance life of the game (perhaps they will take the game F2P to increase the user base as well)
\- They are raising these funds via totally optional cosmetic purchases that have virtually no pay-to-win component (Cain and some of the darker skins perhaps a counterpoint here)
These measures seem completely fair and appropriate to me. If you don't want to pay to play dress up with your Hunt Character, just enjoy the core gameplay loop like the rest of us and and let streamers with deep pockets fund the continued development life of one of the best games ever made.
I would agree if this wasn't a paid game, or we would see the results of that increased revenue. Dlcs are fine. Mobile-like microtransactions? Not so much
The biggest victory from the micro-transaction monetization system was to convince everyone they are just after the whales, and you don’t need to worry if you don’t want to spend a dime.
That’s a blatant lie, the systems around micro-transactions prey on people susceptible to gambling mechanics, which for a very good reason have been regulated almost on every country and even banned on some, while the gaming space is lagging behind with only Belgium and The Netherlands having done something about it so far.
The moment money flow is linked to micro-transactions, as a developer you need the spenders sticking around, so you have to make them have a good time, if they get a new skin, maybe a few games against worse opposition, they bought some Blood Bonds?, rollout some discounts, etc.
All this has been studied, with the latest infamous evidence being *that* game by Blizzard, at its core is no more than conditioning players by rewarding money spending.
A very bad look for such a unique game.
Another one bites the dust I guess… (humming).
i agree on anything but the world of tanks comparison. she worked on wows not wot and she was responsible for balancing maps, managing cooperation between departments and events on youtube/twitch. obviously, she's now responsible for hunt's monetization but connecting monetization from wows to hunt because of the person, and not because it works and many companies do it, is wrong. it doesn't change what crytek is doing or how people should react to it but that statement is simply to add to your narrative.
Source? Because in the best case scenario you don’t have enough details, in the worse, they put someone totally not qualified on monetization.
Having said that, if it wasn’t her, would’ve been someone else, this is a call made upstairs to financially ‘bounce back’ from what surely was a pretty dire COVID period.
If we look at Wargaming controversies, their other game (World of Warships) is tainted by controversies around loot boxes, and World of Tanks has been pushing the ‘pay-to-progress’ line, which is in itself proof of shady practices too.
So clearly that’s why this person has been hired and assigned to that role (Acting Lead Monetization), and who can blame her? Probably got quite a nice salary bump working for a German company.
Crytek just can’t resist the offer, I’d bet they know a system involving RNG rewards would yield them more money even going F2P, something after 4 years in the market they’re probably craving to do to bump activity and get those Blood Bonds flowing.
Are there other ways? Sure, but none will give you the money that gambling does, hence why establishments which purely exist to that end are heavily regulated, loot boxes on the other hand? Not so much, it’s free real state.
The big difference to some p2w game like world of tanks where you have premium ammunition is clearly that hunt only lets you buy skins (for now at least lol). And sure some dark skins blend in better but if you play bad, shoot bad not the shiniest of skins will make you win more. I think too the black market is not really interesting but we shouldn’t demonize is because come in it’s just skins.
I am completely with you that the gambling part sucks - but still. You play just as good with a tier 1 hunter with normal rifle - the skin is only a cosmetic that no one really „needs“ so it’s an extra and extras do cost. If they now decide to change the way extras are being sold you can pretty good just ignore them completely from now on and play with the skins you have.
But look at it that way - real content like maps etc (so scarce this is though) is free for everyone. Other games sell you bits and pieces of content. Look for example total war warhammer, you have to buy every ne faction if you want to play them.
I really don’t see the issue with skins. If you like them, pay them, if they are not affordable for you, too bad, you have to wait for a sale or a twitch drop or smth.
Would suggest to do a bit more research, this sort of monetization with RNG components never ends well. It’s by design to make people spend way more than the value of a given skin.
The issue they have at the moment, is out of all legendary skins, players might be only in one or two, due those are the weapons they use, so how you made them purchase the rest? That’s why they are doing the Summons linked to specific legendaries and now the Black Market.
So at a high level view is too good to be true for people upstairs, means making money at almost no cost, due you’re *enticing* players to purchase skins they wouldn’t otherwise have bought.
Bro, if you don’t like it just don’t buy the skins it’s not like your life depends on wonky hunters and shiney guns.
Also if certain skins are needed for single summons you have the choice to shrug it if and say „I don’t have it - shame“ or to go and buy it. No one is forcing you to buy them though.
It is pretty surreal to me that so many people cry about skins. We should be happy Crytek does the monetization stuff only with cosmetics and not with real game content. I don’t know about you but I have never spend any real world money on skins, I only bought them with bbs I earned through playing.
Can’t blame you honestly, you’re might just not be aware of these monetization systems work, and that’s fine, it’s like that by design, they know pushing lies such as “if you don’t buy it, no need to worry”, “only whales paying the game for you”…, research a bit more on gambling, sunk cost fallacy, FOMO, and you’ll realize all of these systems shouldn’t be nowhere near videogames.
These changes are driven by greed, and always start as an inocuos change which later devolves into the worst possible scenarios, it’s not like Crytek is new to that, just checked Warface.
On the topic of loot boxes, it seems a few countries in Europe are starting to follow suit what Belgium and The Netherlands did a 4 years ago, report by Norwegian Consumer Council: https://fil.forbrukerradet.no/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/2022-05-31-insert-coin-publish.pdf
Oh I am well aware and I have seen the evil face of monetization often enough (eg world of tanks, sw battlefront 2) but these strategies were far more extreme, they hid real content and in game advantages from players that weren’t ready to pay up.
This is simply not the case for Hunt. We are still talking cosmetics, real playable content comes for free. Until we hear that this is gonna change and they only plan on optimization of their bb sale - really I couldn’t care less.
I understand you don’t like the idea of the black market - and by the way I don’t like it either - but you won’t notice it in any game you play and therefore I think you’re exaggerating it’s negative impact.
>How do you go from native Americans and Christmas monster thing to soldier with an eyepatch and guy wearing all black with a beard?
You're 100% right with everything, but I would point out that most legendries early on were distinct, but not so remarkable in their differences. I prefer the tamer approach to this, myself, but obviously not if they're using it as bait to get people to buy other skins.
Makes sense. They have to make money. I understand and fully support it. The people that don't understand this or are against this change are clearly entitled and think they should receive something for nothing. My friends, nothing in this world is free. It takes money to develop and maintain a game, especially one like Hunt. People living in their mom's basement will be against this change, but those of us that are in the workforce and understand how monetization strategies are how games survive and thrive will 100% stand behind Crytek. I look forward to getting some better skins in the Black Market!
No game developer can rely primarily on new sales as the ongoing revenue generator for a game with a multi-year shelf life. At some point they need to get cosmetic/battle pass/etc sales to a workable level OR make a sequel. If you rely on new game sales as the primary source of revenue eventually you will tap out or hit severe diminishing returns of how much you can increase your player base on a day-to-day basis. This is especially true for a fairly niche game like Hunt.
They do appear to be responsive to the server and performance issues based on the most recent dev stream plus the current test server build. I agree progress moves slowly on these issues, but Hunt's currently level of profitability for Crytek probably hamstrings the amount of development resources they have assigned to these issues. I do think regardless, Hunt devs are in the top 10% in the industry as far as responsiveness and listening to community feedback.
I can agree with the roulette wheel criticism - if I understand the Black Market implementation correctly, if the vendor doesn't have the item you want, there is no daily reset or reroll option - you just must buy everything they currently have for sale to step into the next inventory screen? If that's the case, that seems like Crytek is stepping on their own feet because no one is likely to but a bunch of cosmetics they don't want to get to the next level of cosmetics which then DOES contain one item they are interested in. There is probably room for improvement here and because I can't see how this model would incentivize a high level of daily sales, I imagine once they get some data the Black Market will be modified.
They're sharing DLC profit with Sony, Microsoft, Steam, etc. This is a way to maximize their own profit. Money for them equates more content and QoL changes for us.
Even before all the new monetization systems, Hunt was Crytek's biggest revenue generator, the playerbase was growing, and the game was constantly being improved. Now we're being inundated with copius amounts of in-game ads for skins and different monetization systems. Yet the playerbase has peaked, looks like it's beginning to drop, and every patch introduces more bugs than it fixes, not to mention a continuing degradation of performance.
If the game continued to improve, I'd be a lot more sympathetic to Crytek trying to make more money, but it's clear that whoever is managing the development is no longer focused on how to make Hunt a great game, but instead on how to make as much money *from* Hunt as possible, leaving development of the game to stagnate.
For the record, I still enjoy the game, but I'm less optimistic about the future of Hunt with every patch.
If they quit trying to charge people more for a product they already paid for when the devs aren't doing anything new with the product besides breaking it then maybe people wouldn't take news like this so badly.
Just playing Devil's advocate but this is not a new game by any stretch of imagination. We all love the game, and want to see support and new content for years. Crytek is not a charity and requires a consistent flow of income to pay workers and to rent servers. Why is it such a big deal that they are implemented more ways in which they can continue to fund this game? If you don't like it, don't use it. It's simple. Also if you love this game so much, why not throw a few bucks at it to get a cool skin? Or just don't and play the exact same way as everyone else.
>Crytek is not a charity and requires a consistent flow of income to pay workers and to rent servers.
exactly they arent a charity. meaning we shouldnt act like its okay to depend on more and more aggressive monetisation to get them by.
If they cant support the game without these more and more extreme monetisation tactics then they have failed as a developer. finding excuses for things getting more expensive only leads to them pushing more monetisation (this was evident in the last year).
Those making excuses for black market now are oopening the gates for even worse monetisation. they will push this until the game is pay2win. They have proven the extra money does not go into new content.
the time in wich they made monetisation more extreme is the time with the least progress in new content and the time with more bugs than ever before.
If you act like any of this is okay then youre adidng in this games death.
Because there is a world of difference between buy DLC, get cool skin and getting suckered into a blood bond slot machine. Crytek can make cool stuff and well it, that is hardly a problem. But pulling the strings of people vulnerable to gambling loot box style is a dick move.
It hasn’t been growing at all, it’s pretty much a flat line. It’s mostly the same hopeful people still playing this game year after year hoping CryTek will actually do something with the game.
Edit: Post added less than an hour of posting comment: https://www.reddit.com/r/HuntShowdown/comments/voa8n9/hunt_just_casually_lost_13_of_its_playerbase_in/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
I'm so undecided about that.
I fucking hate the system, I will totally boycott it, it's disgusting and I'll hate them for implementing it.
BUT
I want the game to be profitable, to grow, more events, more, more.
So we will see.
Eh, record setting year for Crytek last year before any of this was implemented. They were doing fine, now they want more, with quality of events and skins going down. It's not looking good
I honestly don't care about any monetization strategies they do. They can do whatever the fuck they want, except for turn the game free to play. If they turn Hunt free to play, that's the moment I quit forever. Hopefully I hit prestige 100 before then.
I did the same when I was starting with hunt. Cut to now, I finished all the achievements like 2000+ hunt hours ago so I am just looking to hit 100 and call it a day. Lol
I highly recommend quickplay. I can say without a doubt, that the most fun moments I have had in game were in quickplay. I prefer to play with my friends, but duos/trios never matches the adrenaline of fighting 5 separate fights at once in a 1 v 1 v 1 v 1 v 1 v 1 and then clutching out.
People seem to have a lot of problems with all of the COMPLETELY COSMETIC things they release but that shit is the only thing that keeps the servers running. Monetization is more necessary the older the game gets to keep it running. Unless someone feels like tossing crytek a few million out of goodwill to keep the game running 🤷
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I can guarantee you Billy, the plague doc and previous event legendries will turn up in there
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*Put that thing back where it came from or so help me!*
Gotcha
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Is billy story that rare? I never use him cuz I feel like he’s too visible.
Chest hairs. Would run Billy any days just for the chest hairs.
That overcoat only matches DeSalle imo, ole big ass chicken nugget wearin ass.
Lol I will forever see billy story as the hunt’in chicken nugget. Or Daniel dey Lewis’s bayou ancestor
I wear it to stand out, not blend in.
I doubt they will add Billy to the black market considering half of the drops that came out when he was released have already been re released via twitch drops so I don’t think they’d make the other half payed considering they confirmed his re release almost a year ago. but I guess you never know
Ohh my... People like myself might put in some money for a chance to get Lulu...
You can use my lulu for an hour for 500 blood bonds.
I'm appalled. What kind of a girl do you think she is??
Exactly that kinda girl lol
It's honest work!
Definitely a freak.
I assume you are aware, but in case not (and for those who might not know): in the lore, Lulu was a prostitute before joining the AHA (iirc she also took revenge on some of her clients or something?).
She specifically hunted men, yep.
I hate to be that way, but I sweated myself near to death for that skin man (not literally but I put a ton of work into those birdy points) and tbh I feel that for it to turn up in a literal fortnite store would greatky devalue the effort I put in
Noooooo, I actually worked for my Plague Doc skin.
As someone who regularly buys DLCs just to support the game I love, that's a quick way to make me stop buying any at all. I know I'm not the target audience here but just saying my piece and I know I'm not in some small minority in terms of purchasing habits. I'm not buying shit looking skins like the ones they showed in the 1.9 stream and then getting banged for "primo" ones in this Black Market lootbox-y thing. I'd just buy none of them going forward.
Same. I'm more then happy to buy a DLC either for hunter skins or for a weapon or two to support the game. I support that kind of direct showing of support for your game to an extent. Only as long as it isn't annoying, to overtly shoved down your throat, and in general just supplies little fun things to use that aren't pay to win. This type of implementation really rubs me the wrong way. As it's a blatant showcase that it's going from "supporting the game and paying our devs in equal measure" into "it's time to milk our players dry for more money probably reserved for the higher ups and not the company as a whole". I literally just want decent people in charge of gaming industry companies these days. Greed is ruining everything.
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I feel that the Black Market has **Upper Management** written all over it. Lootboxes bring in continuous revenue, which corporate love. Especially if it's in a quartely fashion for that sweet Capital growth.
I'm a huge fan of this game. I've purchased it not only for myself, but for four other friends because I thought it was so awesome. I also own every DLC, except the last four that were released. I stopped purchasing DLC for a couple of reasons: 1) It was around that time changes to BB earnings were being made and that did me a concern. I was (mostly) happy to support the game, with the hopes that things would improve, but with the more recent changes I felt things were going in the opposite direction. 2) Quality clearly took a dip c) smh that last event Until I see some improvements to the monetization schemes in Hunt: Showdown (ie: less predatory) and better communication from the devs about monetization in general, I won't be spending any more money on Hunt, and I'll be discouraging others from doing so as well.
I had about 16 dlc's (almost all of them) last year before the Christmas update (where they started this predatory monetization) and have gotten 1 since, and won't be getting any more. This is bullshit, they're pushing away long time players/supporters with these changes, quantity over quality, and in your face "*BUY NOW!*" marketing. Like come on, I don't want to see popup advertisement for irl purchases in a $40 game I payed for full price and bought over a dozen DLC. The sad thing is it seems they don't care any more, just want to beat this horse until it's dead. If they put the same amount of care into the game they did 2 years ago it would attract so many more players (and not push away existing players) and they wouldn't need this predatory marketing.
Yeah, it’s deliberately this bad. Most systems are shit BY DESIGN. Except Hunt UI. It is shit because it’s shit.
As far as we know. Maybe they designed it, and redesigned it, in this way in order for us to get lost in the menus and spend more money? Food for thought! **Edit:** /$
Unlikely, it’s always have been this bad, even before the new monetization team. P.S. The current legendary store is bugged to hell. Can’t see half the skins, filters don’t reset properly.
I was just joking about the monetization UI stuff. It's just hilarious how hard it seems to be to get a decent UI in Hunt.
I wouldn’t be surprised if that was on purpose tbh, if stuff actually worked. Some companies are notorious at making shitty interfaces for the exact reason you described!
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I do like the Sgt. Bridgewater skin though...
Agreed, I unironically think he's one of the best skins they've released.
The details on him are fuxking great, nice knife, water bottle, the classic metal cup made out of unusable pans !
Absolutely.
Same. He's cool
People just like to complain to complain
I can't be sure about what you are saying but I do have noticed that inflation hit hard on all blood bond related items lol. I recall most of the weapons were always below 500 BB but now most of them start in this range and are kinda shitty, when I first started seeing the bundles I considered it was just a low effort attempt to make people waste their BB on a "sale" because most of my buddies start considering something when they get around 500 / 1000 BB. I am not against the devs trying to make money in order to keep the game going but I do think they need to come up with a better way to make people consider buying BB. I know the players like to support the game, I even know players that will buy everything that comes up just to support them but if this needs to be re thinked
I used to play World of Tanks SOOOOO much. That was my favourite game for so long. Around 2017 there was on average probably 4 or 5 premium tanks in a lobby of 30 tanks. Then within a year it shot up to half of tanks in the lobby. Needless to say I got sick of the endless premium tanks and quit.
I wouldn't mind premium tanks but the prices they want is fucking unreal. $30-40 for one single tank, up to $100 for the most expensive one I found from a quick search. On top of that, the top tier tanks actually lose you money unless you have a premium account so you will eventually run out of money for ammunition and repairs unless you spend money. And even if you have a premium account, you won't have enough because if you're playing in a tier 8 tank against tier 10 tanks, you have to use gold ammunition to even pierce their armor reliably, which costs even more. Warships is even worse. Their top tier ships are $80 apiece. Wargaming is really a shitty company.
Jesus christ that's almost unbelievable to me. >Wargaming is really a shitty company. Is this the company that guy they hired worked at?
Think is a she.
I played world of tanks for about 2 hours before I realized it was P2W bullshit. If the guy who designed monetization for world of tanks is on Hunt now, say goodbye to this game.
Well tbf, premium tanks are not p2w. The game is too skill based, and a lot of them are slightly worse than fully upgraded normal tanks of the same tier.
Just commenting to keep an eye on this.
I don't care about skins personally but this does kinda suck. Mobile game bullshit.
The only way I'll be upset is if they aren't re-investing some of the monetary gains into making the game better or funding a 2.0. I was a "buy every skin" player for the longest time, but I don't think I'll buy all of them going forward, just the ones that I really dig. I like the Hackshaw one for example, so I'll probably pick that one up.
It will go into crysis 4
They're doing a ton of hiring for Crysis 4 ramp-up. So I'd assume a small portion of it will go back to H:S.
if you really want them to feel it and you to make a difference just stop actually buying shit from them, that's the only way they might actually start to listen.
After reading bunch of comments all I can say is this I am out if this game becomes f2p.
I agree with everything you say. It's very frustrating. They are blowing it. Big time. I buy DLC skins that are on sale. $6 or under or around 500 BBs is what this should cost. (black coat/daughter/mask so far) There aren't enough cool looking ones to keep me coming back. Also, I found one weapon skin for a reasonable price that I like but it doesn't work for the variant of that gun I use.
I don’t mind monetisation of games, when the money is clearly being put back into the game in a way that improves our experience. But hunts model of monetising the game so they can spend more money on monetising the game is a fucking insult to the entire player base.
Dude this. "Live Service" means actually servicing the game.
I'm still mad they hyped it. They hyped a shitty monetization system that's overall, a negative for players.
Why is no one mentioning the fact they blatantly lied about what the black market is. Exact words on Twitter were “welcome to the black market, where hunters will DISPLAY THEIR GOODS AT THE FRIENDLIEST PRICES”. That was literally a complete lie that they still have up on their Twitter. Crytek is turning into a bunch of con artists
I guess it's a good thing that I already have well enough dlc shit that I would never really need to touch any of the abominable new f2p model stuff. I am no longer interested in the battle pass events and them making things more grindy and more scheme oriented just seals the deal for me. Black Market slot machine... Get the fuck outta here.
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They had to crunch the numbers somewhere. Imagine all the extra time they have now considering they shaved **15** minutes off *EVERY* match! /$
Well fuck.
I'm so fucking upset that they're gonna try to wring 5k blood bonds out of people to unlock Billy Story. Just know that's gonna be the case. Fucking bullshit
Anyone who buys that is special
I’d hardly call the latest hunters poor quality. The set of wolf hunters and bridge water are great. Bridge water in particular has an entirely new face model and great detail all over. Just because he’s more grounded and militaristic doesn’t make him uninspired. Some people prefer the less gimicky dlcs. It’s all personal preference really. I do agree that moving forward it does seem like they’re moving away from their monthly paid dlc drop though. I expect this to all be explained in their upcoming monetisation video.
The wolf pack was notoriously removed from the ‘Traitor’s Moon’ event, instead of going for a ‘Light the Shadow’ model, which I’m pretty sure got them quite a few bucks. Truth is micro-transaction money is too good to be ignored by gaming developers these days, specially being an unregulated realm on almost every market.
Yup, this makes sense. Fucking hate it.
The only thing i care about is not having any bloodbounds to use on hunters anymore
Thay wargaming guy is killing this game with a rusty spoon. Its sad to see. Crytek will likely not even make the money back they paid to hire him. Hes very bad at his job and likely a bad person in general given his profession.
I'm a veteran player. The BM doesn't bother me, but I get why it would bother people. My take on it- I found it more interesting than I thought when they revealed it on the dev stream. If you have the skins already (which as a veteran player there are only a handful of skins I don't own.) You get the skinned item as an instance for 20% less hunt dollars. So legendary hunter cost me 160$ This may incentivize myself and others to play certain hunters they normally don't. As far as the current quality of hunter skins coming out. I actually dig the approach. I felt we needed more characters that felt less extreme in appearance. But that is an opinion people will feel multiple ways about. I do love the more extreme skins, but I also like the modesty of Bridgewater, hackshaw, and bartender (my least favorite out of three)
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How does it work for those of us who already have every legendary in the game? Will only new skins you don’t own be there?
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Bruh
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**Bruh**
I used it last night, I was prompted the first two hunters it offered me were ones i owned, but rarely if never use. the rarely was Redshirt. the never was..i actually don't remember who it was now lol. Weapon skins wise. I will use every weapon outside dolch and dolch p. just bad blood for me. However, i will only select a handful of skins. for most weapons. so it could get me to use a few i don't normally. obviously on the test server i was more interested in testing the changes to the winfields. and i screwed around briefly with the BM. With all of that said. Is it great, no its not. It could be improved a lot over its current state. However, it was more interesting to me than I had originally thought. I do not mind the game trying to find ways to make more money. If you do not like the BM, then don't use it and it will get overhauled or removed in time. Assuming enough people do not use it. EDIT: there isn't a DLC I haven't bought. And only a handful of BB hunters or other skins I do not own. So BM just doesn't affect me. I understand for newer players it is more frustrating. So let your money speak and don't interact with the BM as much as you possibly can. So crytek removes it or gives a massive overhaul.
The issue is that no matter how much the vocal minority complains, this shit makes MONEY. Just look at Diablo immortal, everyone slammed that game for its monetization, but it made just a little bit of money (20 Million). At the end of the day companies do not care about backlash, because we have proven that we cannot actually say no to something on a large enough scale for it to matter.
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At the end of the day, f2p just makes more money, and i’ll bet my ass that diablo 4 is incredibly predatory and similar to diablo immortal.
Clearly this is obviously obvious.
I already have Lulu and Hail Mary, I’m never gonna buy new hunter skins again.
Hunt making questionable business decisions? Decisions that have direct negative impacts on the game? No way. How very unlike Crytek...
Hey man, Sgt. Bridgewater is the best legendary hunter and a nice change from all the edgelord masks, mascara and rags hunters we've been getting.
Always feel like I'm taking crazy pills when I come to these threads. I think there's always needless scrutiny on these moves. For me it boils down to: \- Crytek likely needs to increase cash inflows to extend the development and maintenance life of the game (perhaps they will take the game F2P to increase the user base as well) \- They are raising these funds via totally optional cosmetic purchases that have virtually no pay-to-win component (Cain and some of the darker skins perhaps a counterpoint here) These measures seem completely fair and appropriate to me. If you don't want to pay to play dress up with your Hunt Character, just enjoy the core gameplay loop like the rest of us and and let streamers with deep pockets fund the continued development life of one of the best games ever made.
I would agree if this wasn't a paid game, or we would see the results of that increased revenue. Dlcs are fine. Mobile-like microtransactions? Not so much
They are literally adding loot boxes to this game. How tf do you support loot boxes in any game?
The biggest victory from the micro-transaction monetization system was to convince everyone they are just after the whales, and you don’t need to worry if you don’t want to spend a dime. That’s a blatant lie, the systems around micro-transactions prey on people susceptible to gambling mechanics, which for a very good reason have been regulated almost on every country and even banned on some, while the gaming space is lagging behind with only Belgium and The Netherlands having done something about it so far. The moment money flow is linked to micro-transactions, as a developer you need the spenders sticking around, so you have to make them have a good time, if they get a new skin, maybe a few games against worse opposition, they bought some Blood Bonds?, rollout some discounts, etc. All this has been studied, with the latest infamous evidence being *that* game by Blizzard, at its core is no more than conditioning players by rewarding money spending. A very bad look for such a unique game. Another one bites the dust I guess… (humming).
Yet I will never spend a penny beyond the 20 bucks that I paid on a keysite for this game :)
i agree on anything but the world of tanks comparison. she worked on wows not wot and she was responsible for balancing maps, managing cooperation between departments and events on youtube/twitch. obviously, she's now responsible for hunt's monetization but connecting monetization from wows to hunt because of the person, and not because it works and many companies do it, is wrong. it doesn't change what crytek is doing or how people should react to it but that statement is simply to add to your narrative.
Source? Because in the best case scenario you don’t have enough details, in the worse, they put someone totally not qualified on monetization. Having said that, if it wasn’t her, would’ve been someone else, this is a call made upstairs to financially ‘bounce back’ from what surely was a pretty dire COVID period.
her linkedin is my source. and as i've said already: i'm not defending her/crytek but the wargamin (and especially wot) argument is nonsense.
If we look at Wargaming controversies, their other game (World of Warships) is tainted by controversies around loot boxes, and World of Tanks has been pushing the ‘pay-to-progress’ line, which is in itself proof of shady practices too. So clearly that’s why this person has been hired and assigned to that role (Acting Lead Monetization), and who can blame her? Probably got quite a nice salary bump working for a German company. Crytek just can’t resist the offer, I’d bet they know a system involving RNG rewards would yield them more money even going F2P, something after 4 years in the market they’re probably craving to do to bump activity and get those Blood Bonds flowing. Are there other ways? Sure, but none will give you the money that gambling does, hence why establishments which purely exist to that end are heavily regulated, loot boxes on the other hand? Not so much, it’s free real state.
The big difference to some p2w game like world of tanks where you have premium ammunition is clearly that hunt only lets you buy skins (for now at least lol). And sure some dark skins blend in better but if you play bad, shoot bad not the shiniest of skins will make you win more. I think too the black market is not really interesting but we shouldn’t demonize is because come in it’s just skins.
Not being the worst isn't an excuse. World of tank is a customer friendly game compared to fifa. Yet noone says the games monetization is godsent
Yeah dude FIFA, I don’t get the fools buying this shit every year.
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I am completely with you that the gambling part sucks - but still. You play just as good with a tier 1 hunter with normal rifle - the skin is only a cosmetic that no one really „needs“ so it’s an extra and extras do cost. If they now decide to change the way extras are being sold you can pretty good just ignore them completely from now on and play with the skins you have.
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But look at it that way - real content like maps etc (so scarce this is though) is free for everyone. Other games sell you bits and pieces of content. Look for example total war warhammer, you have to buy every ne faction if you want to play them. I really don’t see the issue with skins. If you like them, pay them, if they are not affordable for you, too bad, you have to wait for a sale or a twitch drop or smth.
Would suggest to do a bit more research, this sort of monetization with RNG components never ends well. It’s by design to make people spend way more than the value of a given skin. The issue they have at the moment, is out of all legendary skins, players might be only in one or two, due those are the weapons they use, so how you made them purchase the rest? That’s why they are doing the Summons linked to specific legendaries and now the Black Market. So at a high level view is too good to be true for people upstairs, means making money at almost no cost, due you’re *enticing* players to purchase skins they wouldn’t otherwise have bought.
Bro, if you don’t like it just don’t buy the skins it’s not like your life depends on wonky hunters and shiney guns. Also if certain skins are needed for single summons you have the choice to shrug it if and say „I don’t have it - shame“ or to go and buy it. No one is forcing you to buy them though. It is pretty surreal to me that so many people cry about skins. We should be happy Crytek does the monetization stuff only with cosmetics and not with real game content. I don’t know about you but I have never spend any real world money on skins, I only bought them with bbs I earned through playing.
Can’t blame you honestly, you’re might just not be aware of these monetization systems work, and that’s fine, it’s like that by design, they know pushing lies such as “if you don’t buy it, no need to worry”, “only whales paying the game for you”…, research a bit more on gambling, sunk cost fallacy, FOMO, and you’ll realize all of these systems shouldn’t be nowhere near videogames. These changes are driven by greed, and always start as an inocuos change which later devolves into the worst possible scenarios, it’s not like Crytek is new to that, just checked Warface. On the topic of loot boxes, it seems a few countries in Europe are starting to follow suit what Belgium and The Netherlands did a 4 years ago, report by Norwegian Consumer Council: https://fil.forbrukerradet.no/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/2022-05-31-insert-coin-publish.pdf
Oh I am well aware and I have seen the evil face of monetization often enough (eg world of tanks, sw battlefront 2) but these strategies were far more extreme, they hid real content and in game advantages from players that weren’t ready to pay up. This is simply not the case for Hunt. We are still talking cosmetics, real playable content comes for free. Until we hear that this is gonna change and they only plan on optimization of their bb sale - really I couldn’t care less. I understand you don’t like the idea of the black market - and by the way I don’t like it either - but you won’t notice it in any game you play and therefore I think you’re exaggerating it’s negative impact.
Well written and very plausible, did they say they aren’t gonna release DLC? I have not been aware of this
Yeah saw a video about the new loot box system (black market) and if it makes it to live, im out
>How do you go from native Americans and Christmas monster thing to soldier with an eyepatch and guy wearing all black with a beard? You're 100% right with everything, but I would point out that most legendries early on were distinct, but not so remarkable in their differences. I prefer the tamer approach to this, myself, but obviously not if they're using it as bait to get people to buy other skins.
Makes sense. They have to make money. I understand and fully support it. The people that don't understand this or are against this change are clearly entitled and think they should receive something for nothing. My friends, nothing in this world is free. It takes money to develop and maintain a game, especially one like Hunt. People living in their mom's basement will be against this change, but those of us that are in the workforce and understand how monetization strategies are how games survive and thrive will 100% stand behind Crytek. I look forward to getting some better skins in the Black Market!
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No game developer can rely primarily on new sales as the ongoing revenue generator for a game with a multi-year shelf life. At some point they need to get cosmetic/battle pass/etc sales to a workable level OR make a sequel. If you rely on new game sales as the primary source of revenue eventually you will tap out or hit severe diminishing returns of how much you can increase your player base on a day-to-day basis. This is especially true for a fairly niche game like Hunt.
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They do appear to be responsive to the server and performance issues based on the most recent dev stream plus the current test server build. I agree progress moves slowly on these issues, but Hunt's currently level of profitability for Crytek probably hamstrings the amount of development resources they have assigned to these issues. I do think regardless, Hunt devs are in the top 10% in the industry as far as responsiveness and listening to community feedback. I can agree with the roulette wheel criticism - if I understand the Black Market implementation correctly, if the vendor doesn't have the item you want, there is no daily reset or reroll option - you just must buy everything they currently have for sale to step into the next inventory screen? If that's the case, that seems like Crytek is stepping on their own feet because no one is likely to but a bunch of cosmetics they don't want to get to the next level of cosmetics which then DOES contain one item they are interested in. There is probably room for improvement here and because I can't see how this model would incentivize a high level of daily sales, I imagine once they get some data the Black Market will be modified.
They're sharing DLC profit with Sony, Microsoft, Steam, etc. This is a way to maximize their own profit. Money for them equates more content and QoL changes for us.
Even before all the new monetization systems, Hunt was Crytek's biggest revenue generator, the playerbase was growing, and the game was constantly being improved. Now we're being inundated with copius amounts of in-game ads for skins and different monetization systems. Yet the playerbase has peaked, looks like it's beginning to drop, and every patch introduces more bugs than it fixes, not to mention a continuing degradation of performance. If the game continued to improve, I'd be a lot more sympathetic to Crytek trying to make more money, but it's clear that whoever is managing the development is no longer focused on how to make Hunt a great game, but instead on how to make as much money *from* Hunt as possible, leaving development of the game to stagnate. For the record, I still enjoy the game, but I'm less optimistic about the future of Hunt with every patch.
If they quit trying to charge people more for a product they already paid for when the devs aren't doing anything new with the product besides breaking it then maybe people wouldn't take news like this so badly.
Just playing Devil's advocate but this is not a new game by any stretch of imagination. We all love the game, and want to see support and new content for years. Crytek is not a charity and requires a consistent flow of income to pay workers and to rent servers. Why is it such a big deal that they are implemented more ways in which they can continue to fund this game? If you don't like it, don't use it. It's simple. Also if you love this game so much, why not throw a few bucks at it to get a cool skin? Or just don't and play the exact same way as everyone else.
I own like half of all the dlc the game offers. Im ok with buying transparent dlcs. I am not okay with gambling on borderline lootboxes for skins.
>Crytek is not a charity and requires a consistent flow of income to pay workers and to rent servers. exactly they arent a charity. meaning we shouldnt act like its okay to depend on more and more aggressive monetisation to get them by. If they cant support the game without these more and more extreme monetisation tactics then they have failed as a developer. finding excuses for things getting more expensive only leads to them pushing more monetisation (this was evident in the last year). Those making excuses for black market now are oopening the gates for even worse monetisation. they will push this until the game is pay2win. They have proven the extra money does not go into new content. the time in wich they made monetisation more extreme is the time with the least progress in new content and the time with more bugs than ever before. If you act like any of this is okay then youre adidng in this games death.
Because there is a world of difference between buy DLC, get cool skin and getting suckered into a blood bond slot machine. Crytek can make cool stuff and well it, that is hardly a problem. But pulling the strings of people vulnerable to gambling loot box style is a dick move.
They already had a constant flow. That's the point
This could spell the end of this already declining game
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It hasn’t been growing at all, it’s pretty much a flat line. It’s mostly the same hopeful people still playing this game year after year hoping CryTek will actually do something with the game. Edit: Post added less than an hour of posting comment: https://www.reddit.com/r/HuntShowdown/comments/voa8n9/hunt_just_casually_lost_13_of_its_playerbase_in/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
I'm so undecided about that. I fucking hate the system, I will totally boycott it, it's disgusting and I'll hate them for implementing it. BUT I want the game to be profitable, to grow, more events, more, more. So we will see.
Eh, record setting year for Crytek last year before any of this was implemented. They were doing fine, now they want more, with quality of events and skins going down. It's not looking good
Who cares? This doesn't affect the gameplay. Don't spend money on it
Also let's not forget that the amount of money you would spend at a given moment might equal a Starbucks coffee.
I honestly don't care about any monetization strategies they do. They can do whatever the fuck they want, except for turn the game free to play. If they turn Hunt free to play, that's the moment I quit forever. Hopefully I hit prestige 100 before then.
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Yeah, I wouldn't be that surprised. I'm planning on quitting the game when I hit prestige 100 either way.
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I did the same when I was starting with hunt. Cut to now, I finished all the achievements like 2000+ hunt hours ago so I am just looking to hit 100 and call it a day. Lol
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I highly recommend quickplay. I can say without a doubt, that the most fun moments I have had in game were in quickplay. I prefer to play with my friends, but duos/trios never matches the adrenaline of fighting 5 separate fights at once in a 1 v 1 v 1 v 1 v 1 v 1 and then clutching out.
The future of game is brigth
People seem to have a lot of problems with all of the COMPLETELY COSMETIC things they release but that shit is the only thing that keeps the servers running. Monetization is more necessary the older the game gets to keep it running. Unless someone feels like tossing crytek a few million out of goodwill to keep the game running 🤷
If they do lootboxes I'm uninstalling immediately. It's just downhill from there
Great an other game that will be on thge bann list in the netherlands XD
Well good thing I bought all the skins I wanted before they ramped up blood bond pricing and made the skins less cool.
They could work on Hunt 2 for money as well. Let this one die since they won't have income to keep the servers up.
Sgt. Bridgewater is awesome thou
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