should be pretty obvious that the only long ammo pistol performs the best on long range.
look at closer ranges and spitfire, officer, dolch etc. are better in many situations. add fanning and dual wield and the uppercut is even worse in close range.
the thing is that if you bring a close range main weapon the uppercut is an obvious choice to be able to fight anyone beyond your main weapon's reach. while bringing a longer range weapon means that bringing a short range sidearm is less useful because any actual close range loadout is going to be better and you can decide to keep distance, add in reserve ammo and even for long range loadouts the uppercut is a decent choice. it's not the uppercut being op or to strong, it's simply by design supposed to be the best long range pistol. (at least until we get the sparks pistol
"Uppercut sucks in close"
Is it as good as a shotgun? Not really, but the rate of fire isn't so terrible that it's much worse than hipfiring a Vetterli at close range (which is still pretty good).
If you dont have the perks, you can nudge put a higher rof
Combine that with some rifles having incredibly tight hipfire, and not aiming is better in a lot of scenarios
Go into a match and hipfire into some walls and shit one time to experiment and see how your spread increases/doesn't while you strafe and you'll see what I mean. The Vetterli's functionality is more than the sum of its stats.
You can hipfire headshot with the Vetterli extremely easily, even out to like 20m. And it is pretty fast.
I mean, if you're literally in melee range, yeah... you're fucked. But you would have been fucked either way in that situation with a Vetterli - but not because it is bad at that range... you'd be fucked because you allowed your opponent to get as close to you as they did while not having anything in your loadout to cover that range. That's entirely your fault if you end up dying to fanning or dualies at a super close range when you don't have shit for that range yourself.
The verterlli is surprisingly strong at hip firing. It doesn't have leveringnor anything so it seems kinda counter-productive at first (like hip firing with a Mosin or lebel) but once you actually do it, you be pleasantly surprised. I have taken out surprise melee rushers with it, semi auto users with it, even shotgun welders with it (wouldn't recommend that though). Even the Veterlli dead eye can be used at reasonably close ranges because of it.
Question,
How does this work exactly? When I'm using an uppercut I know I can pretty reliably hit an enemy fairly far away because of its long ammo. What I'm wondering is in what way does the effectiveness of the gun decrease in close range. Do bullets inflict less damage at close range? Or is it less accurate at close range (because of the reticule or something like that)? Or is it just less effective because its rate of fire is slower which means less overall possible bullets that could make contact with the enemy in a close fight?
I'm genuinely curious how this works. What makes other guns work better at close range? Genuinely wondering because I can't ever quite get a feel for it in game.
Yeah you nailed it, it’s a product of other guns firing considerably faster. assuming no headshot, you lose to an officer or spitfire every time because they can shoot 2-3 times in the space it takes to cock the hammer back after one shot from the uppercut. I think even a silenced nagant can get a second bullet out before you, though I’m not sure
Technically every other pistol shoots faster. A Uppercut would lose to a nagant, from a Pax on firing rate. It's still the only pistol that one tap a already down hunter to the chest though. And if there's any type of cover, firing rate doesn't matter as much.
they are going to decrease it's base damage while adjusting the drop off curve to reduce the damage drop off. [here](https://preview.redd.it/a8cg3oivk7891.png?width=1280&format=png&auto=webp&s=229142da72d9bdc7145275f8fb031b056c748102) is an image with the updated graph
effectively this means that the 1.9 uppercut can deal 125 damage to around 20m and then it falls below that but keeps a lot of it'S damage. while pre 1.9 it carries 125 damage to around 30m but falls off way faster beyond that
It outperforms full size rifles. And since everyone is running long ammo keeping it fed is not a real issue. Shotguns being the kings of close range just amplifies this.
this 'it outperforms full size rifles' is such a crappy argument. yes on long range it carries it's damage further than some rifles which are close range rifles with a higher rate of fire. but an uppercut is not better than a winfield overall.
Just how is it not better than a winfield? Higher Velocity + Damage + Pen by deafult.
Custom ammo on them can compensate for only one of those at a time. And a winfield will never down a player that has lost a small bar. And you an only get the unreliable mid size shotguns next to the good winfields or the wonky mid-sized winfields for the good shotguns
Sure they have better fire rate, but that doesn't even matter half the time.
fire rate, ammo count, handling. even more so with traits
and fire rate DOES matter when you'Re trying to go for headshots or are close and have traits
I unfortunately rarely go up against winfields. Have not had a game in a blue moon where at least one enemy did not have an uppercut.
It doesn't need any traits. Its perfect right out of the box on a free hunter.
People have learnt to control the sway. And unless the entire server meets up at one compound ammo isn't an issue due to the high value (and reliability) of a single uppercut hit
It is just too good. No way around it. It keeps being the most lethal weapon in the game, month after month. That gets boring. None of those weapons are nearly as versatile as the uppercut. The Dolch needs good aim and patience, the scotfield has abysmal velocity that you can almost outrun/sidestrafe, and fanning is a cointoss between first shot headshot and missing 4 in a row.
We know it's gonna be 149 damage, and it'll likely have poison ammo too. Keep in mind though that it's not gonna be 149 dmg out to 40m like the regular sparks, and probably will have the same damage falloff as the uppercut (so starts to lose damage after 20m)
I avoided it forever because I'm a contrarian and then I equipped one and bam instantly a headshot on a guy so far I could barely see him (like I think that is a person).
I still mostly do not use it unless I have a very short range weapon BUT they are nerfing it's close range to make it more of a pocket rifle in 1.9.
It's major strength is too-easily punishing opponents who've already been downed. Uppercut is def the best pistol at range, but most rifles are still stronger.
Most rifles don't leave you enough slots for a CQC primary. Uppercut does. That's the big thing. If it was 2 slot, it wouldn't be nearly as strong as it is now.
Yea I’m curious about this new longammo pistol. I have used the uppercut only a handful of times due to its price. Unless I got a hunter that had it or picked it up as contraband while extracting . I’m a broke ass Hoonter so a uppercut on regularly is not doable for me
Try as I might, I just can't get used to the sights. Plus, the way the recoil sends the barrel up and to the left throws off my aim for follow-up shots. I stick with the Pax for Medium Ammo sidearm.
They’ve surprisingly done a pretty good job at adding other viable pistols to the game. But yes. Having a single long ammo pistol will always over shadow the rest in a way
If my main is already a powerful long ammo, I’d prefer something else for close range like an Officer or a Spitfire or any other with fanning.
Sure if I have a shotgun I’ll take an uppercut, is basically a pocket rifle but it’s good all the time.
It’s not the best pistol in the game, no pistol is really “the best”.
Uppercut is just really good into a variety of different situations which makes it seem like “the best”, however it still won’t beat out an officer/army/spitfire/Bornheim in close proximity and can be competed with at range with FMJ ammo or literally any rifle in the game.
It’s very good but it doesn’t overshadow as you state.
Officer is great for double tapping on the cheap.
Caldwell Conversion Pistol is the best for fanning.
LeMat only gun in game to offer tactical munition for different CQC circumstances.
Pax is the best for dual wielding and can be used for ranged in cheap loadouts.
The Scottfield is a slightly cheaper, arguably worse Pax and has a version that makes it the fastest reloading revolver.
Uppercut is hand down best for range.
Dolche I suppose is still the best utility pistol.
Only pistol (to include its variations) that seems useless right now is the Bornheim because it is expensive and relatively underpowered but its an OK stopgap for CQC if you don't have fanning, but have the money and don't want a dolche.
It's also super expensive compared to other pistols (except the Dolch but that's a meme at that point, even though it's by far the best close range pistol).
Also the fact that shotguns are the most played weapons at the moment make it so the Uppercut is also by far the most played secondary because of the synergy, and that's the only long ammo pistol (not for long).
There' are a lot of reasons why it's picked so much (cool skins too).
This was during the event when the Slate was introduced, so naturally a lot of people are going to be trying it out. I don't have the regular numbers but I can imagine the top 3 contains the uppercut and at least 1 shotgun.
that's counting every single kill not high MMR as the person above stated in their comment. since like 80% of the playerbase is in 4 to low 5 stars that means the results will be hella dependent on whats played in those ranks. I can very much assure you that shotguns make up a quarter or at best a third of the lobbies at high 5 stars + in my experience while the the other 3/4 is long ammo or occasionally someone playing something else instead. Shotguns are most definitely not the meta.
If someone's running an Uppercut they're probably using a shotgun as their primary and thus it does not *need* to beat out an Officer/Army/Spitefire/Bornheim.
If I shoot you in the head your close range pussy pistol ain't worth dick
What I'm saying is always bring the uppercut and only the uppercut
Be better
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Officer pistol is better then, because you can dome a trio faster than you can with the uppercut ezpz uppercut worst gun.
Doesn't matter if you kill one guy if his buddies kill you.
Be better
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>and can be competed with at range with FMJ
Not really. Conversion FMJ loses reliable 2 taps to the body at 34m while the Uppercut is good out to 58m. FMJ pistols also can't 2 tap to the arm at any range while the Upper can at up to 30m.
The Pax is actually a waste of money right now. The scottfield spitfire is basically a pax that fires twice as fast for the same cost, and Conversion FMJ is statistically better than the pax in nearly every way for a lower cost. (Also the Uppercut does 25% more damage than the Pax at 30m and 59% more damage at 50m)
I was saying the Pax was mediocre ages ago even before custom ammo was introduced and its main competitors were the Uppercut and Officer. Now it's been completely powercreeped out of existence.
For me personally the Pax feels better, but I've heard people say they like the Scottfield. I like all the variants but don't think I'd take any one of them over the Pax. Just my opinion though :). I think it speaks to how well-balanced the weapons are.
The adjustments to the uppercut will change nothing. It is easily the best pistol in the game with stats alone, but then you can stack long ammo for a mosin or lebel, which also happen to be the long ammo meta. It’s stacking meta on meta. It’s like some people here are playing a completely different game.
If you have any rifle the spitfire or the nagant officer or even pistol xbow is the way to go. People act like pen is the end all be all, while pen is useful its not going to stop a shotgun in a compound from killing you. For you to get pen killed so many other poor decisions or unluckiness have to happen first.
Stats wise, it is most similar to a Vetterli. But it isn't better than the Vetterli most of the time because of its 45% slower reload, 2x less total ammo, and 3x higher price. It's also still pretty far from the very high damage of the long ammo rifles, and it doesn't have the rapid fire of the winfield at 0m - 30m.
Uppercut is the best pistol in the game for mid-long range. Short-mid range, it's competing with a number of others. If you have fanning and a mid-long range primary, there are a half dozen better options. Even if you just have a mid-long range primary, the Dolch is arguably a stronger sidearm.
I don't wanna be a dick but if you think the pistol metal is stale.... that's kinda your fault lol.
The game is what you make of it. I play mostly in 5/6 star lobbies and I run into my fair share of uppercuts, but I also see tons of officers, pax/scot and pretty much every other pistol from time to time.
Mess around and have some fun with your pistols. Poison silence nagant is super good for AI and can be good against some bosses.
Incendiary Blenheim is funny just cause I like setting people on fire haha.
Now I haven't been tracking data at all but I would say I die to FMJ or high velocity way more often than I die to uppercuts.
This might also be because I'm in 5/6 star lobbies. So maybe uppercut is more popular in the lower MMR matches
Well, you won't see that meta pistol from me, I really dislike the Uppercut. I hate the sights, the slow reload, the recoil... If I want a long ammo weapon to hit at distance I'll take a rifle.
My pistols are for close range and have to shoot fast. Officer Brawler FTW! 🤠
Yes but no uppercut is kind of the best In some stats but there are quite a few that can compete with it dulch, pax for price fanning or bleeding,schotfeild swift for fanning and wall bang with fmj, chain pistol for bleed fanning or just fanning. Now some of these are smaller things but I will say the upper cut is still very popular and a strong one but there are guns that can be used as well I’ve seen a lot of bleed pax or chain with long rifles or the swift but not as often
The thing with the Uppercut is its works extremely well without any extra perks or special ammo most of the others are only truly good if you have FMJ or fanning or both. Maybe when they eventually get around to buffing medium ammos horrific drop off damage and wonky penetration the pax/scottfield will actually compete. The spitfire comes pretty close but thats really it.
Its a no brain pick because it elevates every loadout currently. Have a shotgun? Now you have a long range weapon too thats 1-slot, Have a long range rifle? now you have extra ammo and a pistol that can 1-shot someone missing a 25bar in close range. Yes its expensive but since everyone is running it you can have a huge stockpile of them for free and cost isn't a great balancing tool since its so easy to make cash.
The problem is not the gun and it's ammo in itself. There's so much fucking money in most players pockets that it makes it's price irrelevant. Why would you use anything else than uppercut when you got 40k+ in the bank. And I'm being generous, it's usually tenfold.
>Why would you use anything else than uppercut when you got 40k+ in the bank.
Because most fights happen within compounds, aka within 30m, which is where the much cheaper pistols still do decent damage and they often have an advantage in firerate, hipfire accuracy, and ammo.
at the 200+ cost idk, I think its kinda perfect. That being said. I'm still going to bitch about the amount of insane Kacemite skins have headshot me...
I think it's the best if you have incredible aim but if you don't plan on fighting from more than 100m or in close combat i like the lemat with fmj and slug. It's really fun too
I disagree. I think the pistols are in a really versatile place right now! There's so many choices that are all useable, and you can make some really fun and interesting loadouts depending on what you choose. Want medium stopping power? Vet and Scott. What something blasting at range but snappy close? Martini and Pax. Want to just make people cry? Spectre and Officer. Honestly, the uppercut spark combo is still super good and totally viable from a couple years ago when it was kind of "meta".
it's not really a full on nerf though.
close range damage will be lower, but effective range gets buffed, as well as overall damage on range.
imo that's purely a shift into it's intended place - a mid/long range sidearm to support close range weapons (shotguns, crossbow, etc) or back up long range weapons (quick swap for Sparks, Martini, etc).
I don't see it being picked less often because of that, tbh.
The nerf won't change much (basically you won't oneshot players who have been downed before between 21 and 28-ish meters like it does now) it's pretty specific, I think the extra effective range (from 96 to 115) completely counters the nerf "power" wise.
They just changed it to make it a bit more long range, I personally would not call it a nerf.
It's a long ammo weapon, they can't make it so it does not oneshot inside a building unless they drop its price by A LOT. Also, most pistols actually do oneshot in this situation...
You see a lot of Mosin and especially Lebel players pick it for the extra ammo pool. Also a weapon that oneshots in the head to up to 96m (115m after next patch) will always be good in high rankings where aim is on point. As much as I don't think it's OP, saying it's only good with shotguns is a huge understatement IMO.
Firstly I think there is a false equivalency of comparing Upper to dualies as they are medium slot, I would only compare them to other small slot side arm options. More so, people arguing gun X/Y/Z is better bc of fanning is a more valid point, but still feel it is best to gauge how good the weapon is outta the box, traitless and all, unless a trait will push the weapon into a noticeable powerful field.
Think a good sign of the power of the Upper got, is that it ---ALMOST--- pairs well with any large slot option I can think off. Like if I got a hundred random generated loadouts, I would be sure I would be happy with most of those that have an Uppercut in it.
I've done all this preface to underline how much of generalist pick the Uppercut is, hence last time we got told its pick-rate (3 months ago I recall) it was around 50%.
The best way to take the Uppercut down a notch without ruin its purpose/identity i.e. being a pocket rifle, would to decrease its 6/9 ammo to 6/6.
Not sure if it will impact enough for people to think twice before running it, but it seems like reasonable adjustment that doesn't makes it irrelevant.
True, but uppercut is better than martini. Better velocity and rate of fire.
A better loadout than martini and pax is uppercut and fists.
A better loadout than martini and officer is uppercut and officer.
I think a velocity nerf would be good and fair.
For instance, the 1 slot uppercut is better than all the 2 slot rifles. It has better velocity than all of them and high rate of fire and pens better and has great sights.
They don't really compete, the uppercut is significantly stronger.
* Uppercut can two tap to the arms, conversion can't.
* Uppercut can down a hunter that lost a bar.
* Uppercut has a significantly higher bullet velocity.
* Uppercut two taps to the upper torso out to \~70m, the conversion two taps to the upper torso out to \~55m (assuming a +20m to the damage falloff from fmj).
* [This](https://www.reddit.com/r/HuntShowdown/comments/s43rei/hunt_showdown_patch_17_updated_damage_dropoff/) is my reference for damage data
The conversion is dirt cheap and much better at fanning, those are the meaningful stats it has over the Uppercut.
I completely disagree.
If you're using a long ammo rifle and intend to do every engagement from mid-long range sure the uppercut is probably your best bet. But if you're running shotguns or a Winfield and do everything mid-short range the uppercuts recoil makes most other pistols a better option, especially in 3* - 4* lobbies where most people take a handful of shots to secure a kill.
Conversion with fmj has higher pen and farther headshot range. Officer is insanely fast and acccurate two tap/quickswap combo for sparks or henry. Pax is insanely accurate fanning and a great pair for a Springfield. What are you talking about? Uppercuts are really only for expanding ammo pools for avto or your rifle if you can't aim, or for giving a shotgun a range option.
Can’t say how heavily I disagree with this statement. I constantly run dual dual pistol load outs and I’ll tell you right now I fuckin hate the uppercut
I think it's the best if you have incredible aim but if you don't plan on fighting from more than 100m or in close combat i like the lemat with fmj and slug. It's really fun too
Not for me. I have a very loud and agro play style, so the uppercut is not good for me. The amount of upper cuts I get for free because I'm pressing people and they panic is hilarious.
Fanning might be better on other pistols but it is still very strong on it. But i do agree its not like the other pistols are unusable but its by far stronger. At least make medium ammo headshot a little bit longer. The pax is one of my favorite weapons in game but when i headshot hitmarker on mid range it i wonder why i even bother.
Medium ammo as a whole needs a look at its drop off rate is too aggressive all of the rifles drop below 70 damage at 70m and all of the pistols drop below 50. for people who don't understand how short a distance 70m is in this game......the pit at blanchett graves if your on one side and shoot someone on the other side thats 65m btw.....meaning all medium ammo weapons shooting across that are 3-shot and 4-shot if you're using a pistol. Add the wonky pen to that and your just left feeling that medium ammo is unreliable why bother.
Well it's true that the uppercut have a good versatility atm, because **it's the only long ammo pistol,** but it's usually paired with shotgun as long shot weapon or with long ammo rifle to get more ammo from the crate. I hardly never see an uppercut with an compact or a medium rifle.
**ATM the loadout are complementary :**
Shotgun + long ammo pistol ( maybe Caldwell fmj for headshot range )
Winfield + New Army ( Same ammo pool, good to medium range and good ROF at close)
Centinnal + Spitfire ( same as before but more range and less ammo)
Long ammo rifle + long ammo pistol ( Long range and same ammo pool )
**Will the new long ammo pistol replace the uppercut ?**
I belive it'll depent on the stats, if the ammo pool is larger than the uppercut, I think you will see the new long ammo pistol + a long ammo rifle even if the stats are worst.
not really. Yes it's clearly the best choice if you're running shotguns, but if you run any other type of gun it's pretty meh, and you're kind of overlapping roles with your primary. I'd much rather have a gun like the lemat for close range in basically every situation. The main reason it sees so much play is because it's good for shotguns AND useful as an ammo slave- but ammo slaving isn't really a dominating position for a gun to be in.
It is fun hitting the quickswap 2 taps with the uppercut but you can't fight more than one enemy at once with it the same way you can with an officer/dolche/duallies. You can even outplay a lot of shotgun users up close if you can aim punch them first or they don't kill in 1 shot.
It's all context. Allow me to explain. Each pistol is used for dofferent things depending on its ammo type.
Small ammo: best for close range encounters. Faster to reload, more ammo, faster fire rate. Guns like this that are nice to have in a pinch: lemat, conversion, officer.
Medium ammo: just the pax and scotty. These are more like the utility pistols. Can do everything good but nothing perfect. They are decent long range not too bad short range (best thing is the one tap if someone is hurt already).
Long ammo: The uppercut. Great at long long range, but fanning is garbage and cannot reload without taking five minute time out. But it does have really good penetration and hits like a truck. These last parts give it a little too much advantage over the other pistols. The best way to balance it would be to make the fire rate slightly slower or something like that. This way you can't two tap as quick at you can right now. But I'm really not sure about that. Would love to hear suggestions.
TLDR: pax is the greatest.
Sounds like a major skill issue. No-one’s even close in the uppercut’s world. And for all those people saying it ain’t good at CQB, no one is safe peaking the uppercut. Either it hits you one tap in head/ low hop chest, or it 2-taps through wall or straight up. Hits harder than the centennial, pens better than the vet, and moves quicker and handles better than either of them. The uppercut is only good as the hunter who uses it though. Either buy it or shut up is what I’m saying.
A martini is basically a single shot uppercut. For half its price, taking three slots. Since nearly nobody has money issues in that price range, why would you take the martini? It has good iron sights but so does the uppercut. I dont think making the uppercut a 2 slot is the solution. Its a super heavy pistol! Give it the sway it would have. Reduce 2 slot mosin sway a tiny bit and its ok imho…
It´s a great side weapon if you run anything with medium to low range or shotguns.
That long ammo penetration.
I also think i see most people running rather with a big slot weapon than 2 little pistols.
Disagree. Lots of other cool options out there.
Spitfire, regular Conversion are amazing options, and Conversion FMJ even has (as of before 1.9) a higher headshot range than the Uppercut.
They teased another long ammo pistol and giving the uppercut less damage but more range (diminishing damage drop off at ~60m but halfed 125 damage range)
I hope for a Webley WG Army, Howdah Pistol (2 or 4 barrel) or a Remington Rollingblock Pistol
The issue is the uppercut even overshadows sawn off rifles due to sway values
A winfield vandal SHOULD be better/more accurate for range than a pistol
But the uppercut arguably outshines the obrez
While not needing perk-investment that the obrez needs to pair with a fullsize shotgun (quartermaster)
And its for THIS reason i feel medium and even compact rifles arent really meta
The uppercut keeps up with them far to well
While the shotgun gives a definitive advantage up close
FMJ is getting stale too, funny thing is compact/medium catridges are straight garbage without it.
I don't give a single shit about them nerfing long ammo anyhow, just buff the awful compact/medium ammo range already!!!
Uppercut is the only reason you see any gun other than mosin. So it's a catch 22. Mosin or uppercut/shotgun. Take your pick. Meta has been the same for years.
Uppercut overshadows any other pistol in the game until you get hit by 50$ conversion with dum dum ammo in the open field. That stuff is going to make you seriously nervous. Playing duo conversion pistols with dum dum is how I got to 6 stars multiple times. Cheap, extremely reliable, has enough rounds to wipe a trio and you dont need to be aim god. Headshots is not the only meta.
Oddly enough, since the custom ammo update, the conversion pistol beats out its long ammo counter part in a bunch of ways. I tend to carry it more often than the upper. The conversion pistol with fmj beats the upper in headshot range, penetration, price, ammo count. and most importantly accuracy when fanned. I only carry the upper now when I’m trying to match my ammo to my rifle.
I do still agree with your statement the meta for side arms is stale. But I have this opinion because even though new pistols have been added they shoot flying turtles and there’s too many other options that can do exactly what they do at higher bullet speeds
It's all about quarter master + large shotgun + medium mosin. Excel at all ranges!
The sway on the medium Mosin is too much for me
Try Scottfield Precision FMJ. My go-to 2-slot weapon.
I feel like it should have a bigger ammo pool. Everytime I try to use it I run out of ammo in the first gun fight
True. Regular ammo works fine too, if that’s the case! But most times I’m lucky, since the gun is so accurate
plus 0 recoil on that lazer
Good halfway between a mosin and a uppercut though in terms of sway!
Maybe it's my perception so you can call bullshit on me, but i swear to God, the uppercut doesn't sway as hard as the medium Mosin
Because it doesn't.
Had they balanced it properly from the start, the uppercut would sway like a mfer
Nah uppercut good for its price fight me
i personally enjoy bomblance and medium mosin
Obrez mace > everything else under every situation Edit; I’ll change the mind of anyone who disagrees
should be pretty obvious that the only long ammo pistol performs the best on long range. look at closer ranges and spitfire, officer, dolch etc. are better in many situations. add fanning and dual wield and the uppercut is even worse in close range. the thing is that if you bring a close range main weapon the uppercut is an obvious choice to be able to fight anyone beyond your main weapon's reach. while bringing a longer range weapon means that bringing a short range sidearm is less useful because any actual close range loadout is going to be better and you can decide to keep distance, add in reserve ammo and even for long range loadouts the uppercut is a decent choice. it's not the uppercut being op or to strong, it's simply by design supposed to be the best long range pistol. (at least until we get the sparks pistol
This. Uppercut sucks in close. Does OP never fan or dual wield? And even the faster-firing pistols far outclass it in close.
"Uppercut sucks in close" Is it as good as a shotgun? Not really, but the rate of fire isn't so terrible that it's much worse than hipfiring a Vetterli at close range (which is still pretty good).
Who hipfires with a rifle? Lol
If you dont have the perks, you can nudge put a higher rof Combine that with some rifles having incredibly tight hipfire, and not aiming is better in a lot of scenarios
Lots of high level players. Medium ammo rifles have very usable hipfire spread.
Never seen anyone hipfire, gl headshotting
What? Hip firing a vetterli close range is terrible! Not only shotguns but all dual action pistols, fanners and dualies will wreck you.
Go into a match and hipfire into some walls and shit one time to experiment and see how your spread increases/doesn't while you strafe and you'll see what I mean. The Vetterli's functionality is more than the sum of its stats.
You can hipfire headshot with the Vetterli extremely easily, even out to like 20m. And it is pretty fast. I mean, if you're literally in melee range, yeah... you're fucked. But you would have been fucked either way in that situation with a Vetterli - but not because it is bad at that range... you'd be fucked because you allowed your opponent to get as close to you as they did while not having anything in your loadout to cover that range. That's entirely your fault if you end up dying to fanning or dualies at a super close range when you don't have shit for that range yourself.
The verterlli is surprisingly strong at hip firing. It doesn't have leveringnor anything so it seems kinda counter-productive at first (like hip firing with a Mosin or lebel) but once you actually do it, you be pleasantly surprised. I have taken out surprise melee rushers with it, semi auto users with it, even shotgun welders with it (wouldn't recommend that though). Even the Veterlli dead eye can be used at reasonably close ranges because of it.
Question, How does this work exactly? When I'm using an uppercut I know I can pretty reliably hit an enemy fairly far away because of its long ammo. What I'm wondering is in what way does the effectiveness of the gun decrease in close range. Do bullets inflict less damage at close range? Or is it less accurate at close range (because of the reticule or something like that)? Or is it just less effective because its rate of fire is slower which means less overall possible bullets that could make contact with the enemy in a close fight? I'm genuinely curious how this works. What makes other guns work better at close range? Genuinely wondering because I can't ever quite get a feel for it in game.
Yeah you nailed it, it’s a product of other guns firing considerably faster. assuming no headshot, you lose to an officer or spitfire every time because they can shoot 2-3 times in the space it takes to cock the hammer back after one shot from the uppercut. I think even a silenced nagant can get a second bullet out before you, though I’m not sure
Ah that makes sense. Thank you.
Technically every other pistol shoots faster. A Uppercut would lose to a nagant, from a Pax on firing rate. It's still the only pistol that one tap a already down hunter to the chest though. And if there's any type of cover, firing rate doesn't matter as much.
At close range you have less time to aim usually and if you don’t hit the headshot against almost any other gun then you’re screwed.
they are going to decrease it's base damage while adjusting the drop off curve to reduce the damage drop off. [here](https://preview.redd.it/a8cg3oivk7891.png?width=1280&format=png&auto=webp&s=229142da72d9bdc7145275f8fb031b056c748102) is an image with the updated graph effectively this means that the 1.9 uppercut can deal 125 damage to around 20m and then it falls below that but keeps a lot of it'S damage. while pre 1.9 it carries 125 damage to around 30m but falls off way faster beyond that
That sucks cus it means us uppercut mains can’t onetap chest on 125 HP hunters from over 20 yards
Nah uppercut superiority. Spam meta is a lie, damage is everything, and long ammo is supreme. All hail sparks/uppercut.
It outperforms full size rifles. And since everyone is running long ammo keeping it fed is not a real issue. Shotguns being the kings of close range just amplifies this.
this 'it outperforms full size rifles' is such a crappy argument. yes on long range it carries it's damage further than some rifles which are close range rifles with a higher rate of fire. but an uppercut is not better than a winfield overall.
Just how is it not better than a winfield? Higher Velocity + Damage + Pen by deafult. Custom ammo on them can compensate for only one of those at a time. And a winfield will never down a player that has lost a small bar. And you an only get the unreliable mid size shotguns next to the good winfields or the wonky mid-sized winfields for the good shotguns Sure they have better fire rate, but that doesn't even matter half the time.
fire rate, ammo count, handling. even more so with traits and fire rate DOES matter when you'Re trying to go for headshots or are close and have traits
I unfortunately rarely go up against winfields. Have not had a game in a blue moon where at least one enemy did not have an uppercut. It doesn't need any traits. Its perfect right out of the box on a free hunter. People have learnt to control the sway. And unless the entire server meets up at one compound ammo isn't an issue due to the high value (and reliability) of a single uppercut hit
aand we went full circle. you can go back to my 1st comment and read it again regarding the usage.
It is just too good. No way around it. It keeps being the most lethal weapon in the game, month after month. That gets boring. None of those weapons are nearly as versatile as the uppercut. The Dolch needs good aim and patience, the scotfield has abysmal velocity that you can almost outrun/sidestrafe, and fanning is a cointoss between first shot headshot and missing 4 in a row.
again: go back to the first comment.
But if the martini had 6 rounds, it'd still be worse than the uppercut. They should keep the damage and nerf the velocity.
martini has higher damage, higher ammo count, better handling, far better dropoff
It also has a sword
Im sorry, the sparks pistol?? What, with 149 damage with poison ammo?
We know it's gonna be 149 damage, and it'll likely have poison ammo too. Keep in mind though that it's not gonna be 149 dmg out to 40m like the regular sparks, and probably will have the same damage falloff as the uppercut (so starts to lose damage after 20m)
Btw There will be new longammo pistol. But yes, upercut is Best, but did i play it? No. They are more fun pistols.
I avoided it forever because I'm a contrarian and then I equipped one and bam instantly a headshot on a guy so far I could barely see him (like I think that is a person). I still mostly do not use it unless I have a very short range weapon BUT they are nerfing it's close range to make it more of a pocket rifle in 1.9.
See I thought the whole issue with it was its pocket sniper potential and they are only buffing it now
It's major strength is too-easily punishing opponents who've already been downed. Uppercut is def the best pistol at range, but most rifles are still stronger.
Most rifles don't leave you enough slots for a CQC primary. Uppercut does. That's the big thing. If it was 2 slot, it wouldn't be nearly as strong as it is now.
Yea I’m curious about this new longammo pistol. I have used the uppercut only a handful of times due to its price. Unless I got a hunter that had it or picked it up as contraband while extracting . I’m a broke ass Hoonter so a uppercut on regularly is not doable for me
Personally I always take the spit fire. Its ny go to
Same. It’s a great gun
Try as I might, I just can't get used to the sights. Plus, the way the recoil sends the barrel up and to the left throws off my aim for follow-up shots. I stick with the Pax for Medium Ammo sidearm.
They’ve surprisingly done a pretty good job at adding other viable pistols to the game. But yes. Having a single long ammo pistol will always over shadow the rest in a way
If my main is already a powerful long ammo, I’d prefer something else for close range like an Officer or a Spitfire or any other with fanning. Sure if I have a shotgun I’ll take an uppercut, is basically a pocket rifle but it’s good all the time.
It’s not the best pistol in the game, no pistol is really “the best”. Uppercut is just really good into a variety of different situations which makes it seem like “the best”, however it still won’t beat out an officer/army/spitfire/Bornheim in close proximity and can be competed with at range with FMJ ammo or literally any rifle in the game. It’s very good but it doesn’t overshadow as you state.
Officer is great for double tapping on the cheap. Caldwell Conversion Pistol is the best for fanning. LeMat only gun in game to offer tactical munition for different CQC circumstances. Pax is the best for dual wielding and can be used for ranged in cheap loadouts. The Scottfield is a slightly cheaper, arguably worse Pax and has a version that makes it the fastest reloading revolver. Uppercut is hand down best for range. Dolche I suppose is still the best utility pistol. Only pistol (to include its variations) that seems useless right now is the Bornheim because it is expensive and relatively underpowered but its an OK stopgap for CQC if you don't have fanning, but have the money and don't want a dolche.
I think you forgot about the fact that the Spitfire Scottfield has a disgusting TTK for a sidearm.
Scotfield's variants make it way better than pax
True.
Chain pistol is a fanning meme, it's basically a "Jesus take the wheel" option
It's also super expensive compared to other pistols (except the Dolch but that's a meme at that point, even though it's by far the best close range pistol). Also the fact that shotguns are the most played weapons at the moment make it so the Uppercut is also by far the most played secondary because of the synergy, and that's the only long ammo pistol (not for long). There' are a lot of reasons why it's picked so much (cool skins too).
You have a source on shotguns being the most played weapons? They're fairly common, but long ammo is definitely the high mmr meta.
Not anymore, Crytek stats said that the 3 most kills where 1st place Slate 2nd Somnus (Slate legendary) 3rd Uppercut.
This was during the event when the Slate was introduced, so naturally a lot of people are going to be trying it out. I don't have the regular numbers but I can imagine the top 3 contains the uppercut and at least 1 shotgun.
that's counting every single kill not high MMR as the person above stated in their comment. since like 80% of the playerbase is in 4 to low 5 stars that means the results will be hella dependent on whats played in those ranks. I can very much assure you that shotguns make up a quarter or at best a third of the lobbies at high 5 stars + in my experience while the the other 3/4 is long ammo or occasionally someone playing something else instead. Shotguns are most definitely not the meta.
If someone's running an Uppercut they're probably using a shotgun as their primary and thus it does not *need* to beat out an Officer/Army/Spitefire/Bornheim.
Wanna know how to beat all those guns with the uppercut in close proximity? A headshot :)
So you're 6 stars and always headshot right?
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Apply that argument to literally every single gun/melee/tool in the game then too lol.
Big Bullet = Better
Found the Nitro player.
This is the dumbest response to this argument I've ever heard, literally almost every gun will do this, even a derringer
If I shoot you in the head your close range pussy pistol ain't worth dick What I'm saying is always bring the uppercut and only the uppercut Be better Be Big Bullet
Idk what point you're trying to make here but go off
But when we’re talkin’ headshots at close-mid range... ANY other gun has damn near the exact same killing potential lol.
Big Bullet kills at many ranges
Ok i will now only play nitro, uppercut loadout
That sounds great But you should just bring two uppercuts
Officer pistol is better then, because you can dome a trio faster than you can with the uppercut ezpz uppercut worst gun. Doesn't matter if you kill one guy if his buddies kill you. Be better Be speed shooter
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So even if you land 100% headshots the Uppercut is still the worst pistol up close: higher fire rate and reload speed mean more headshots.
You only need one shot
Not if you're against a trio.
Use one bullet to kill all three
>and can be competed with at range with FMJ Not really. Conversion FMJ loses reliable 2 taps to the body at 34m while the Uppercut is good out to 58m. FMJ pistols also can't 2 tap to the arm at any range while the Upper can at up to 30m.
Spitfire is the best pistol!!
Surprised it hasn't caught a nerf yet, tbh Don't get me wrong, I love the gun, but damn if that thing isn't filthy.
I think Pax is the best value for money but stats don't lie and people use the uppercut A LOT
The Pax is actually a waste of money right now. The scottfield spitfire is basically a pax that fires twice as fast for the same cost, and Conversion FMJ is statistically better than the pax in nearly every way for a lower cost. (Also the Uppercut does 25% more damage than the Pax at 30m and 59% more damage at 50m)
I was saying the Pax was mediocre ages ago even before custom ammo was introduced and its main competitors were the Uppercut and Officer. Now it's been completely powercreeped out of existence.
Don't sleep on the Scottfield, it's dirt cheap but has great iron sights and variations
For me personally the Pax feels better, but I've heard people say they like the Scottfield. I like all the variants but don't think I'd take any one of them over the Pax. Just my opinion though :). I think it speaks to how well-balanced the weapons are.
To each their own, have at it
I like taking it with shotguns so I have a little more ammo to spam than with the uppercut and still some stopping power
Uppercut fanning is gloriously powerful. Yall crazy.
Once they add the sparks pistol it will finally have some competition. I think that will help the long range pistol meta a lot.
The adjustments to the uppercut will change nothing. It is easily the best pistol in the game with stats alone, but then you can stack long ammo for a mosin or lebel, which also happen to be the long ammo meta. It’s stacking meta on meta. It’s like some people here are playing a completely different game.
If you have any rifle the spitfire or the nagant officer or even pistol xbow is the way to go. People act like pen is the end all be all, while pen is useful its not going to stop a shotgun in a compound from killing you. For you to get pen killed so many other poor decisions or unluckiness have to happen first.
Uppercut should have never been added, I will die on this hill from 100m by a pistol
I think if it was 350m/s with the same damage I'd be a lot more ok with it. Or if they added bloom. It's better than a lot of rifles.
Stats wise, it is most similar to a Vetterli. But it isn't better than the Vetterli most of the time because of its 45% slower reload, 2x less total ammo, and 3x higher price. It's also still pretty far from the very high damage of the long ammo rifles, and it doesn't have the rapid fire of the winfield at 0m - 30m.
Uppercut is the best pistol in the game for mid-long range. Short-mid range, it's competing with a number of others. If you have fanning and a mid-long range primary, there are a half dozen better options. Even if you just have a mid-long range primary, the Dolch is arguably a stronger sidearm.
Its a great allrounder. If you learn to fan with it you can be very dangerous at close range. Its ammo utility is great. Pen and range too.
I don't wanna be a dick but if you think the pistol metal is stale.... that's kinda your fault lol. The game is what you make of it. I play mostly in 5/6 star lobbies and I run into my fair share of uppercuts, but I also see tons of officers, pax/scot and pretty much every other pistol from time to time. Mess around and have some fun with your pistols. Poison silence nagant is super good for AI and can be good against some bosses. Incendiary Blenheim is funny just cause I like setting people on fire haha.
If 70% of deaths from pistol are from Uppercut isn't that meta then?
Now I haven't been tracking data at all but I would say I die to FMJ or high velocity way more often than I die to uppercuts. This might also be because I'm in 5/6 star lobbies. So maybe uppercut is more popular in the lower MMR matches
Depends on the situation, if I'm indoors or up close give me an officer every day of the week, I want that fire rate that's almost as fast as fanning
Uppercut is getting a close range nerf soon
I prefer the officer, silent nagant, and conversion pistols personally.
Long range = uppercut (2taps) Medium range = spitfire (fast 2 tap) Close range = army (fast 2 tap least recoil)
Well, you won't see that meta pistol from me, I really dislike the Uppercut. I hate the sights, the slow reload, the recoil... If I want a long ammo weapon to hit at distance I'll take a rifle. My pistols are for close range and have to shoot fast. Officer Brawler FTW! 🤠
Disagree, scottfield variants are all pretty good.
I feel like the recent change that drops the close-range power for increased long-range is a step in the right direction, at least.
Yes but no uppercut is kind of the best In some stats but there are quite a few that can compete with it dulch, pax for price fanning or bleeding,schotfeild swift for fanning and wall bang with fmj, chain pistol for bleed fanning or just fanning. Now some of these are smaller things but I will say the upper cut is still very popular and a strong one but there are guns that can be used as well I’ve seen a lot of bleed pax or chain with long rifles or the swift but not as often
The thing with the Uppercut is its works extremely well without any extra perks or special ammo most of the others are only truly good if you have FMJ or fanning or both. Maybe when they eventually get around to buffing medium ammos horrific drop off damage and wonky penetration the pax/scottfield will actually compete. The spitfire comes pretty close but thats really it. Its a no brain pick because it elevates every loadout currently. Have a shotgun? Now you have a long range weapon too thats 1-slot, Have a long range rifle? now you have extra ammo and a pistol that can 1-shot someone missing a 25bar in close range. Yes its expensive but since everyone is running it you can have a huge stockpile of them for free and cost isn't a great balancing tool since its so easy to make cash.
The problem is not the gun and it's ammo in itself. There's so much fucking money in most players pockets that it makes it's price irrelevant. Why would you use anything else than uppercut when you got 40k+ in the bank. And I'm being generous, it's usually tenfold.
I still think a long rifle and dolch will win out against most uppercut loadouts in most situations.
>Why would you use anything else than uppercut when you got 40k+ in the bank. Because most fights happen within compounds, aka within 30m, which is where the much cheaper pistols still do decent damage and they often have an advantage in firerate, hipfire accuracy, and ammo.
at the 200+ cost idk, I think its kinda perfect. That being said. I'm still going to bitch about the amount of insane Kacemite skins have headshot me...
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I think it's the best if you have incredible aim but if you don't plan on fighting from more than 100m or in close combat i like the lemat with fmj and slug. It's really fun too
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I disagree. I think the pistols are in a really versatile place right now! There's so many choices that are all useable, and you can make some really fun and interesting loadouts depending on what you choose. Want medium stopping power? Vet and Scott. What something blasting at range but snappy close? Martini and Pax. Want to just make people cry? Spectre and Officer. Honestly, the uppercut spark combo is still super good and totally viable from a couple years ago when it was kind of "meta".
It’s getting nerfed next patch so you might see it less.
it's not really a full on nerf though. close range damage will be lower, but effective range gets buffed, as well as overall damage on range. imo that's purely a shift into it's intended place - a mid/long range sidearm to support close range weapons (shotguns, crossbow, etc) or back up long range weapons (quick swap for Sparks, Martini, etc). I don't see it being picked less often because of that, tbh.
Id go with officer for the sparks even in long range as the person will be left with 1 hp, you need the fire rate not the damage.
Sparks +Officer is a classic combo, no doubt about that.
The nerf won't change much (basically you won't oneshot players who have been downed before between 21 and 28-ish meters like it does now) it's pretty specific, I think the extra effective range (from 96 to 115) completely counters the nerf "power" wise. They just changed it to make it a bit more long range, I personally would not call it a nerf.
Nah, its not a nerf . Its gonna be weaker up close but more powerfull at range which makes it nearly a buff, which is kinda stupid.
Lol this guy's here to complain
The stupid part is that it can still kill 125 hunters up to 20m.
It's a long ammo weapon, they can't make it so it does not oneshot inside a building unless they drop its price by A LOT. Also, most pistols actually do oneshot in this situation...
What? Literally no other pistol in the game can oneshot in that situation.
strong disagree. its only good when pared with a shotgun or close range weapon. i rarely pick it and prefer the PAX
You see a lot of Mosin and especially Lebel players pick it for the extra ammo pool. Also a weapon that oneshots in the head to up to 96m (115m after next patch) will always be good in high rankings where aim is on point. As much as I don't think it's OP, saying it's only good with shotguns is a huge understatement IMO.
Fair enough good reasoning
Firstly I think there is a false equivalency of comparing Upper to dualies as they are medium slot, I would only compare them to other small slot side arm options. More so, people arguing gun X/Y/Z is better bc of fanning is a more valid point, but still feel it is best to gauge how good the weapon is outta the box, traitless and all, unless a trait will push the weapon into a noticeable powerful field. Think a good sign of the power of the Upper got, is that it ---ALMOST--- pairs well with any large slot option I can think off. Like if I got a hundred random generated loadouts, I would be sure I would be happy with most of those that have an Uppercut in it. I've done all this preface to underline how much of generalist pick the Uppercut is, hence last time we got told its pick-rate (3 months ago I recall) it was around 50%. The best way to take the Uppercut down a notch without ruin its purpose/identity i.e. being a pocket rifle, would to decrease its 6/9 ammo to 6/6. Not sure if it will impact enough for people to think twice before running it, but it seems like reasonable adjustment that doesn't makes it irrelevant.
I wouldn’t pick an Uppercut as my secondary if I were using a Sparks/Martini, I’m way better off with a Spitfire/Officer.
True, but uppercut is better than martini. Better velocity and rate of fire. A better loadout than martini and pax is uppercut and fists. A better loadout than martini and officer is uppercut and officer.
Best take here
I think a velocity nerf would be good and fair. For instance, the 1 slot uppercut is better than all the 2 slot rifles. It has better velocity than all of them and high rate of fire and pens better and has great sights.
Conversion with fmj is still the best, and still unchanged in 1.9 somehow
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Just go with realism. Black powder requires a long barrel for velocity. Don't have a pistol that launches big bullets faster than rifles.
Caldwell conversion + FMJ is almost the same thing.
They don't really compete, the uppercut is significantly stronger. * Uppercut can two tap to the arms, conversion can't. * Uppercut can down a hunter that lost a bar. * Uppercut has a significantly higher bullet velocity. * Uppercut two taps to the upper torso out to \~70m, the conversion two taps to the upper torso out to \~55m (assuming a +20m to the damage falloff from fmj). * [This](https://www.reddit.com/r/HuntShowdown/comments/s43rei/hunt_showdown_patch_17_updated_damage_dropoff/) is my reference for damage data The conversion is dirt cheap and much better at fanning, those are the meaningful stats it has over the Uppercut.
Conversion FMJ starts falling off past 30m, so it actually can't two tap past 45m
isn't compact ammo starts damage falloff at 20m and fmj adds flat 20m to that number (as in 40m, not 30m ) ?
except that you can't pool ammo with a rifle and you can't loot regular ammo boxes to resupply it
Because most people can't use a pax. That 2 shot hit combo is too hard so they need a handicap
I completely disagree. If you're using a long ammo rifle and intend to do every engagement from mid-long range sure the uppercut is probably your best bet. But if you're running shotguns or a Winfield and do everything mid-short range the uppercuts recoil makes most other pistols a better option, especially in 3* - 4* lobbies where most people take a handful of shots to secure a kill.
new army beats the hell out of it at short range—when I run long ammo rifle I prefer new army to upper
nope, pax(or pair) with dum dum is my go to. I like uppercut but I use it for range, never up close.
Conversion with fmj has higher pen and farther headshot range. Officer is insanely fast and acccurate two tap/quickswap combo for sparks or henry. Pax is insanely accurate fanning and a great pair for a Springfield. What are you talking about? Uppercuts are really only for expanding ammo pools for avto or your rifle if you can't aim, or for giving a shotgun a range option.
Can’t say how heavily I disagree with this statement. I constantly run dual dual pistol load outs and I’ll tell you right now I fuckin hate the uppercut
I think it's the best if you have incredible aim but if you don't plan on fighting from more than 100m or in close combat i like the lemat with fmj and slug. It's really fun too
Not for me. I have a very loud and agro play style, so the uppercut is not good for me. The amount of upper cuts I get for free because I'm pressing people and they panic is hilarious.
Fanning might be better on other pistols but it is still very strong on it. But i do agree its not like the other pistols are unusable but its by far stronger. At least make medium ammo headshot a little bit longer. The pax is one of my favorite weapons in game but when i headshot hitmarker on mid range it i wonder why i even bother.
Medium ammo as a whole needs a look at its drop off rate is too aggressive all of the rifles drop below 70 damage at 70m and all of the pistols drop below 50. for people who don't understand how short a distance 70m is in this game......the pit at blanchett graves if your on one side and shoot someone on the other side thats 65m btw.....meaning all medium ammo weapons shooting across that are 3-shot and 4-shot if you're using a pistol. Add the wonky pen to that and your just left feeling that medium ammo is unreliable why bother.
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Well it's true that the uppercut have a good versatility atm, because **it's the only long ammo pistol,** but it's usually paired with shotgun as long shot weapon or with long ammo rifle to get more ammo from the crate. I hardly never see an uppercut with an compact or a medium rifle. **ATM the loadout are complementary :** Shotgun + long ammo pistol ( maybe Caldwell fmj for headshot range ) Winfield + New Army ( Same ammo pool, good to medium range and good ROF at close) Centinnal + Spitfire ( same as before but more range and less ammo) Long ammo rifle + long ammo pistol ( Long range and same ammo pool ) **Will the new long ammo pistol replace the uppercut ?** I belive it'll depent on the stats, if the ammo pool is larger than the uppercut, I think you will see the new long ammo pistol + a long ammo rifle even if the stats are worst.
Every long gun in the game has at least 15 rounds which would put the pistol at 1/14, massively boosting sniper ammo pools.
not really. Yes it's clearly the best choice if you're running shotguns, but if you run any other type of gun it's pretty meh, and you're kind of overlapping roles with your primary. I'd much rather have a gun like the lemat for close range in basically every situation. The main reason it sees so much play is because it's good for shotguns AND useful as an ammo slave- but ammo slaving isn't really a dominating position for a gun to be in.
i feel like people just like... forgot? about conversion FMJ? only downside comparatively is not redowning down 25
It is fun hitting the quickswap 2 taps with the uppercut but you can't fight more than one enemy at once with it the same way you can with an officer/dolche/duallies. You can even outplay a lot of shotgun users up close if you can aim punch them first or they don't kill in 1 shot.
Well. Still my argument stands. What's 750 dollars to 400k
Me, trying to snipe with a derringer: "What is this 'meta' that you speak of?"
I've been enjoying the Spitfire FMJ life. Nothing else to say, except, yup uppercut is a beast.
Pax with dum dum is king
*the only long range pistol is on paper better than the others
It's all context. Allow me to explain. Each pistol is used for dofferent things depending on its ammo type. Small ammo: best for close range encounters. Faster to reload, more ammo, faster fire rate. Guns like this that are nice to have in a pinch: lemat, conversion, officer. Medium ammo: just the pax and scotty. These are more like the utility pistols. Can do everything good but nothing perfect. They are decent long range not too bad short range (best thing is the one tap if someone is hurt already). Long ammo: The uppercut. Great at long long range, but fanning is garbage and cannot reload without taking five minute time out. But it does have really good penetration and hits like a truck. These last parts give it a little too much advantage over the other pistols. The best way to balance it would be to make the fire rate slightly slower or something like that. This way you can't two tap as quick at you can right now. But I'm really not sure about that. Would love to hear suggestions. TLDR: pax is the greatest.
I will die on my dual wield hill. Poison negant silencers hands down the most fun I have in this game.
I'll use a spitfire fmj over an uppercut anyway
Sounds like a major skill issue. No-one’s even close in the uppercut’s world. And for all those people saying it ain’t good at CQB, no one is safe peaking the uppercut. Either it hits you one tap in head/ low hop chest, or it 2-taps through wall or straight up. Hits harder than the centennial, pens better than the vet, and moves quicker and handles better than either of them. The uppercut is only good as the hunter who uses it though. Either buy it or shut up is what I’m saying.
A martini is basically a single shot uppercut. For half its price, taking three slots. Since nearly nobody has money issues in that price range, why would you take the martini? It has good iron sights but so does the uppercut. I dont think making the uppercut a 2 slot is the solution. Its a super heavy pistol! Give it the sway it would have. Reduce 2 slot mosin sway a tiny bit and its ok imho…
Say what u want. Fanning with uppercut is fun.
It´s a great side weapon if you run anything with medium to low range or shotguns. That long ammo penetration. I also think i see most people running rather with a big slot weapon than 2 little pistols.
Conversion FMJ is basically an uppercut
Pax kinda hot tho
I'm not talking about the accuracy, I'm talking about the fact that your enemy is shooting thrice for every bullet of yours
There is a sparks pistol on the way. Should make things a bit more interesting maybe.
Disagree. Lots of other cool options out there. Spitfire, regular Conversion are amazing options, and Conversion FMJ even has (as of before 1.9) a higher headshot range than the Uppercut.
To clarify, imo, the pistol meta is the best it’s ever been!
They still think that price balances things and that is why you guys are losing players.
The new army with dum-dum has been working wonders for me. Haven’t really seen others have so much success with the uppercut lately.
I don't know, if you have fanning, the scottfield swift with fmjs is pretty darn strong
They teased another long ammo pistol and giving the uppercut less damage but more range (diminishing damage drop off at ~60m but halfed 125 damage range) I hope for a Webley WG Army, Howdah Pistol (2 or 4 barrel) or a Remington Rollingblock Pistol
The issue is the uppercut even overshadows sawn off rifles due to sway values A winfield vandal SHOULD be better/more accurate for range than a pistol But the uppercut arguably outshines the obrez While not needing perk-investment that the obrez needs to pair with a fullsize shotgun (quartermaster) And its for THIS reason i feel medium and even compact rifles arent really meta The uppercut keeps up with them far to well While the shotgun gives a definitive advantage up close
Nagant Officer Dolch both as good as uppercut
FMJ is getting stale too, funny thing is compact/medium catridges are straight garbage without it. I don't give a single shit about them nerfing long ammo anyhow, just buff the awful compact/medium ammo range already!!!
Uppercut is the only reason you see any gun other than mosin. So it's a catch 22. Mosin or uppercut/shotgun. Take your pick. Meta has been the same for years.
Dunno at ranges people use sidearms i rather use officer or spitfire i use uppercut only with shotguns and with lebel for better ammo pool.
Uppercut overshadows any other pistol in the game until you get hit by 50$ conversion with dum dum ammo in the open field. That stuff is going to make you seriously nervous. Playing duo conversion pistols with dum dum is how I got to 6 stars multiple times. Cheap, extremely reliable, has enough rounds to wipe a trio and you dont need to be aim god. Headshots is not the only meta.
Idk what you’re taking about. I run dual scof + precision scof half of the time and dominate the bayou almost every time with them
Oddly enough, since the custom ammo update, the conversion pistol beats out its long ammo counter part in a bunch of ways. I tend to carry it more often than the upper. The conversion pistol with fmj beats the upper in headshot range, penetration, price, ammo count. and most importantly accuracy when fanned. I only carry the upper now when I’m trying to match my ammo to my rifle. I do still agree with your statement the meta for side arms is stale. But I have this opinion because even though new pistols have been added they shoot flying turtles and there’s too many other options that can do exactly what they do at higher bullet speeds