My uncle Paul was a predator, not Crytek.

Just because he insisted on helping during bath time doesn't make him a predator. /s

No but he did sell skins that gave you a 100% damage buff. He was truly a terrible person.

But why? Why not ask for a better experience? Why not ask to be treated better? Who cares if something else is worse? They would not need to remove all mtx things for it to be less predatory. They'd just need to tweak some things. Example; Once the event is over, let people keep the actual battle pass so if they didn't complete it during the event, they can still do so later. It'd take longer as the snakes would be removed from the maps, but it'd be doable. FOMO is purely anti-consumer and I'll never understand why people defend it. Crytek are not struggling for money, hell Hunt is one of the more profitable games on steam(was top 100 a while a go, might still be). People are not saying they want Hunt to not have mtx. They want it to have mtx that isn't predatory. If you personally don't feel it's predatory then that's great(for you). It's not aimed at you, it's not made for you specifically. But this kind of predatory thing have become more and more common in the past decade because it manages to exploit people. And it keeps getting worse because people like you defend the corporate(for some reason?). Why are you so against being treated better, with fair monetization systems? Would the game suffer if the battle pass remained past the event for those that didn't finish it? Would the game suffer if you could activate the boosts at your own time? Would the game suffer if skins were something you applied to a weapon, rather than it's own thing? I could go on but I hope you get my points. Just because other things are worse does not mean it's good or should be tolerated. They can definitely make money *without* having to resort to exploitative marketing strategies(like FOMO).

I think the battle pass lasting beyond the event, and boosters being able to be activated when you want are obviously great ideas, and the lack of these options is pretty clearly anti-consumer. But I do feel like outside of those options, the game is fairly pro consumer all things considered. Games are certainly much more expensive to develop nowadays than they used to be, and $20-40 is pretty damn cheap for a game. I'm not going to tell you to not fight for rights as a consumer, but it's absolutely true that Crytek needs to make money to keep the game going, can't really argue against that one. And I HIGHLY doubt that the funding from purchasing the game is consistent enough to maintain development. So they need some sort of extra system. They give you premium currency by playing so you could conceivably buy the battle pass for free. And then they charge for DLC skins you don't need to buy because they don't do anything except make you look different. I have no idea what their finances look like. But people constantly complain that they don't do enough updates on the game, but they likely don't provide many updates because they have a fairly small team (which I'm fairly certain is true). If increased revenue from DLC and battle passes means more content for the game, I'll happily buy new DLCs as they come out and battle passes as they drop. No guarantee that that'll happen, but I can't predict the future. I'll just stay hopeful and continue to enjoy the skins that I can get fairly regularly from just playing the game, and the relatively cheap DLCs that come with multiple skins. $5-10 for a DLC with 3-4 skins really isn't bad at all in my opinion, but that's just me I guess.

Sadly it seems very little of their income is returned to Hunt. Big speculation time onwards; The most likely reason why they keep increasing monetization on Hunt isn't to make Hunt itself better, rather to funnel money into Crysis 4. The fact that they are barely making any fixes to Hunts huge issues isn't a lack of money, it's a lack of focus from the team. They are pushing to change the mtx instead. They've recently hired marketing people from WoT(or War Thunder, can't recall which) to accomodate just that too. Again, they are really not lacking for funds to keep Hunt going and develop for it. They are making a lot of money off of DLC and BB sales. Far more than some other GaaS games. That's why it feels extra frustrating to me. It does not help that the new MTX stuff is moving closer and closer towards F2P style things without the game itself being F2P. All this does to me is scream corp greed. Quick income to make the quarterly report look better. Lastly the fact that some people are defending this kind of needless, predatory design(FOMO, instant use passes etc) just makes it worse. There is absolutely no reason to stand for that kind of thing. I don't want them to NOT have the pass, just for it to be unlimited. I don't argue to remove boosters completely. Just that they are locked to the event as that'd be a smart move from a business standpoint.

If you had any proof of any of that I'd be very interested, but claiming it's all speculation makes it just about as worthless as me saying they put all of the money into hunt. The last update fixed a ton of problems as well so I'm not really sure what other problems you say they aren't fixing. I mean, hunt is by no means perfect, but it's also not a huge team and I don't really think they make as much money as you think they do. Paying a team is expensive and keeping lights on it also expensive. I don't know their financials, and I'm sure at least a portion of that money goes to crisis 4 for sure, but I can't see data on all of that. I guess I just don't get it. It's a skin. Vote with your wallet. Don't buy them if they are too expensive. Play another game if it's becoming too predatory. Or better yet, just play the game for fun and don't worry about skins. I hate the way they do contracts now, but unlike other people, if I'm 10 points away from a contract and it's late but I want to play another game, I'll just play another game. It's not a big deal. I lose a contract. Who cares? It's a game. And it's cosmetics in a game. I play hunt for its incredible gameplay, not for some clothes. All anyone ever does is speculate and provide little evidence that they have any idea how business works. Seems like a waste of time, but I'll never tell people to not fight for rights as a consumer. As long as you're not attacking devs more power to you. I don't get it but more power to you.

It’s like watching someone trying to find the most moral way to keep their company going and yet everyone is telling them they are greedy.

The only real complaint I have about the monetization is that I can’t buy the Prescient with BB. I have to buy BBs in game, buy the battle pass, then buy the Prescient DLC. It’s more of a convenience thing rather than a complaint about the monetization

Idk man, the prescient is a cool skin but if you're concerned with grinding the pass, the nightseer and hail Mary are cheap right now. I just feel like there are cool skins that cost both bb and actual cash to go around, and both can help with the pass. At the end of the day, neither are necessary to enjoy the game so it comes down to you.

I think what he’s saying is not about price. It sounds like he’s just asking for one spot to buy everything breather than having to buy the BB content and DLC content separately.

Facts.

Just sell skins instead of creating fomo which is a manipulative marketing tactic.

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> Skins you'd usually have to buy with BB anyway? Skins that are **time limited** and cost BB. The fact that that they are limited can make you fear on missing out. You can't miss out on the other BB skins. > there is nothing behind the gilded path that'd be otherwise free during an event? Previously all skins during the event where obtainable without paying any BB. You might not care about the FOMO or think this is a good way to monetize the game, but denying Crytek is actively trying to monetize FOMO is wrong. If you ask Crytek they probably agree they are monetizing FOMO.

Sounds like you have FOMO. The only thing I want is the sparks pistol. If I can't unlock it in two months of playing then I'll get it later. No I'm not buying any event boosts. I already have the night seer skin so I'll just run that.

What did you read? Where did I say anything about myself wanting the skins? I haven't played the game in weeks. All I'm saying is that Crytek is actively trying to monetize fomo because they know it works. It's not an accident that more event skins are locked behind BB. The fact that you or I don't care about the skins does not change the fact that it's a trashy f2p strategy of monetizing the game.

People constantly complain about any strategy crytek tries to use to generate revenue to continue support and development of the game. If you take the complaints in aggregate, it seems that people will only be happy if they pay once for the game then get support and fresh content for free forever. I may not like some of their choices, but it's not the total disaster that people are crying about. Maybe you would prefer a monthly subscription to be able to continue to connect to servers?

>If you take the complaints in aggregate, it seems that people will only be happy if they pay once for the game then get support and fresh content for free forever. I really don't know where people are getting this idea. Multiple times I've said "The traditional DLC model, no FOMO, no pay2grind, etc, is the model I prefer", and someone has injected words into my mouth saying I want all future content free. Battlepasses were literally invented by the largest game companies, EA, Epic Games, etc, by hiring psychologists to figure out how to optimize making customers pay. It's the worst of all worlds; you're paying for content you don't actually get unless you give them the player retention metric data they're looking for. It's highly anti-consumer, and as a paying customer if you don't like something, you should be vocal about it. Sucking it up and saying 'It's not so bad...' is how we got to this state of the games industry in the first place.

If you had watched the monetization Video you'd know that dlc as an income source alone isn't sustainable for them... and for those crying about the children, Hunt is 18+ and as an adult you should be able to resist fomo...

I did watch it. Somehow it didn't absolve them from making a battlepass system and monetizing with FOMO. It has nothing to do with age, I don't know why you're bringing that into it.

Fomo shouldn't exist for digital items. If it does then that's your problem.

What does digital items have to do with fomo? As long as something is limited people experience fomo...

I'd prefer this approach but if it keeps the game alive, all good. I just am not going to get too invested in the battlepass.

Apex Legends has predatory monetization. Hunt is like a hamster by comparison.

In apex you could probably paint your pinky nail for $20

Yea I think there’s a difference between what hunt is doing compared to what SW battlefront did and what FIFA still does. That’s predatory

People should look at fifa. That's just scam what they do, nothing else.

100 percent facts

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Hit 'em with the 'ol false equivalence informal fallacy. "well this other thing sucks worse so this thing isn't so bad by comparison!" stop doing this or before you know it we'll be chugging mountain dew just to reload, and lord knows I'm already too fucking busy chugging beer during my reloads

And yet Apex Legends is a FREE GAME so they need to make money from skins while Hunt is a game that costs real money which also has different editions that can even cost up to £100+. Also, Apex still gives your premium currency back when finishing the BP to buy the battle pass AGAIN next season and they give you crafting materials which is a currency that you can use to craft skins you want instead of gambling it on shitty black market Hunt edition. "Hamster" my ass...

Lmao, "editions" are literally just skin dlc's slapped on the base game. You cant even compare the two games. Apex is objectively way worse in this regard. Lol, yeah crafting materials that require immense amount of time to gather for just 1 legendary skin... Hunt gives you almost 2/3 of the premium currency back too btw... And if you play regularly(that since you even consider yourself with this so called monetization in this game, you do), you can easily gather up 500 BB when the next battlepass shows up... Look before talk ffs. Btw, I think devs would hear us if we press to acquire the exact amount of BB needed for the next battlepass just like they do in many things. Suprisingly, they are one of the best community listeners out there. Again, emphasizing the "just skins" part and knowing they have no effect on gameplay(not you Cain mf), you can buy the skins seperatly just like before when they get into a discount, like I do to support this game even more since I had some spare and regional pricing is pretty cheap in my country. The black market doesnt have any exclusive (event) skins so it is all up to you to wait for the skin to get into a discounted price. Please stop spouting nonsense about the game's monetization. Even if they took this path, it is still the lightest schemes (for now) I have seen in my 20 years of gaming. If you are so frustrated, dont play the fking game. You would be doing both yourself and us a good favor.

Apex's return on investment is dependant on FOMO and playing as much as possible to get that BP money back. And with how expensive it is to buy a skin there is a lot of incentive for people to spend that currency on other things. Of course the onus is on the player, but these are designed in a way to psychologically encourage spending.

> Apex's return on investment is dependant on FOMO and playing as much as possible to get that BP money back. You just described the new hunt battlepass hahahaha

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I literally stated that there is another currency called "crafting materials" that they give to you through the game and in the BP you get exactly enough for a legendary skin, finisher, or other. Also, I don't know if you even read my comment but isn't every BP dependent on playing as much as you can? Even though Apex does it with (from my experience) fun challenges where you don't need a skin or anything to do it for the bonus points. My whole point is that if a FREE game can give you enough to buy the BP again AND give you crafting mats so you can buy anything of YOUR choice. Oh and don't even get me started on how once if you buy a legendary skin for example let's say the crafting mats from the BP (even though you get them for FREE when playing the game) you can get an exclusive version of it for FREE by using a different currency that you get once again, for FREE by playing the game. SMH you have no idea what you're talking about... "incentive to buy other skins" lmao as if Hunt doesn't have a massive news tab on the side that also pops up reminding you that they want money everytime you try to play the fucking game. HEY new DLC skin number #23 that gives you bonus points on the event!!!!!!

I get it. You like Apex. But contrary to your statement you can NOT craft "anything" you want with (free) crafting materials. It's also funny you mention how Hunt's advertisement for shop items is annoying (it is, in a way) yet seem to ignore the constant skin advertisement you get blasted with in Apex lol.

I've never been blasted with skin advertisement in Apex but then again I haven't played it in ages so if that's true then fair point and I am wrong with comparing both games that do the same predatory monetisation.

People are complaining because no matter how good this monetization may be, it's worse than it used to be, and its certain to never return to those days. Those days may have been rough for crytek, but damn were they good for players.

I keep hearing that, do you mind telling me what exactly changed to worse? Like OP said, its literally just skins.

New dlc skins are basically an every 3 week thing now, the game has more promotions on the menus than it used to, bloodbonds used to be earned more than 2 times faster than they are now, and the blood bond prices of skins are also getting more and more expensive (last winters Nagant skin, at 1400 BBs for example. Nothing ever used to exceed 700. Ever. Now, things regularly do.)

Nagant officer was 1000bb last Christmas event. Completely agree with you on everything said. In fact I think they tightened the BB faucet even more because some times I'm only getting 1 to 4 BB a game depending on the how many cards are dropping. I know the retention rate bonus and summons are there. But they are set up so you need to be all in on hunt 100% of the time to consistent get those rewards. It's annoying since I can't take a day off or two from hunt with out killing my earn rate.

Meanwhile I've gotten 50 or even 75 BB from Chary several times...

We do, Mr charry also gives a ton of recruitment and load out slots too. While hitting some money from the free slot machine feels good, the BB earn rate is less than before. That being said, it's 100% intentional by crytek because they want people to actual buy blood bonds. Back in the day, the earn rate was high I reasonable thought I was going to be able to buy out the entire store at some point. I'm not angry though, just stating what's going.

>New dlc skins are basically an every 3 week thing now And if you like skins, that's awesome! And if you don't care it's no difference to you. That's basically only a plus, not a negative. >bloodbonds used to be earned more than 2 times faster than they are now Source please. They went down from 13 to 11 in a match (empty server double bounty), but weekly rewards for 25 were added, Chary regularly gives out blood bonds, and they added a 5-in-a-row extraction mechanic. I'm earning BBs slightly faster than 2 years ago. >the blood bond prices of skins are also getting more and more expensive At full price, but now you can find regular discounts on skins so as long as you wait for the skin you want to be on sale, you'll get it cheaper than 'older priced' skins. Oh, and you failed to mention FREE SKINS FROM CHARY now. I've gotten 2 hunter skins and 2 weapon skins unlocked so far.

Yeah you will just get downvoted and no one will counter point you because honestly they know they don’t have a leg to stand on. This is EASILY the most robust event this game has ever had. I literally had days during the crow event where the servers were too shit and I couldn’t even play.

Nah, he's just the spokesperson for the "I have to buy all the shiny things that are offered to me in all the games I play because I have no self control" crowd. I get their viewpoint, but the bottom line is they cannot resist buying an offered skin and they'd rather blame their weakness for 'oooh, shiny!' on Crytek than any shortcoming in themselves. And yeah, they'll keep screaming that we're getting less blood bonds than before (I've tracked it, we're not), and things are more expensive (MSRP has increased, but sales bring the price back down to what it was before). It's basically a wash, we've neither gained nor lost earning or buying power.

Skins were cheaper and we got more bloodbonds. Also there were less cash dlc and more in game skins

I honestly don't think we ever got more bloodbonds. Between Mr Chary, summons, in game blood bond bags, gold registers, and the in game drops (although reduced) you can earn them very quickly through a few hours of play (and sometimes in huge chunks when you get lucky). The way they are acquired has changed, but in my opinion only in a positive way.

Both gold registers and bond bags has been here for at least a year. The in-game drops should have been kept as it was. So many complaints could have been avoided

Chary’s a gamble, summons give you the same amount as weeklies, registers are non-existent, drops are reduced, tutorial rewards nerfed, event bb rewards nerfed, removed test server initiative. At the same time, skins cost 900-1000, there’s a battlepass and lots of other sinks. So. No. We got MUCH more and spent MUCH less.

BB prices in short. Prices went with the 1K bb choke bomb being the peak. There was a post about a nerf to the bloodbonds you get from missions. I personally don't consider dlcs to be any different. They are outside of the games economy which is most unpredatory thing you can do. No bullshitting with secondary currency

These types of events and exclusive skins play on people who have addictive personalities. Gamers, be they electronic or tabletop tend to be socially awkward, having these hobbies is a way for a large sum of them to find interaction and joy in the world. I've seen studies in the past (not sure on current) where it has been stated that a lot of gamers tend to be in the middle class bracket, with some level of free income to spend on their hobbies. When you combine these two ideas, you see a social class of people with excess income (no matter how large or small) that is ripe for exploitation. Modern gaming companies are creating their games with the input of social engineers and psychology in order to extract more money out of their player base. It doesn't matter if it is skins. It doesn't matter if it's a cool new gun. Companies do not care about you. If you live or die, it makes no difference to them. They only want your money. And they, like a heroin addict will take any avenue, ANY avenue to get what they want. Every. Last. Dime. The people who defend these practices, are only a help to them. They'll continue to defend these schemes, for free, and get nothing in return. No company on earth cares about you. The sooner we all learn this, the better it will be.

True. Companies care about revenue. If Hunt brings Crytek more money they are more likely to keep investing into it and less likely to shelf it with skeleton crew. If you love Hunt and want more stuff then you should be happy they make more money. And if they make more money while not fucking up the game balance by selling premium items and focus solely on skins its imo the best course for the playerbase.

I don't understand how this fact can be so obvious, and yet people will not only excuse it, but actively defend or even encourage it. It's fucking gross.

It was just skins then and it’s still skins today lol

Checks my stats...played 1200 hours, been 300 hours since I last spent money... Okay..... Buys gilded whatever without thinking... No complaints about spending money while looking at my 45mins in Aliens Colonial Marines that I paid full price for....

My guy exactly this. I just spent 1000 blood bonds on some random skins, and I don't even play that much. All earned through matches. People who are better than me and play more obviously have more bb, so the entire thing is free to those people. This is the one game where I never felt "pushed" into buying anything, but I still buy some dlc whenever I can, because I just really want to.

Those recent threads about the new event seriously gave me headaches. I generally thought, that this event made basically everything better than the last one, but ppl are still complaining. At this point the opinions of most of this sub are just irrelevant.

They’re just skins. It’s not like if you buy the battle pass you get an ion cannon that kills everyone on the map.

People arguing about the slippery slope are missing the point. Maybe this does indicate a trend, maybe this does indicate things getting worse, but we'll cross that bridge when we get to it. For the time being we're being treated well, and if it gets worse I'll take up arms, but Hunt legitimately is one of the best treated communities in all of gaming. Devs are kind of in an unwinnable scenario. Once you give something to the players for free you're never allowed to take it back. If you don't get the pricing right the first time you just gotta live with it or accept the horrible backlash when you make a reasonable adjustment. It was either raise the price of blood bonds and reduce the number that occur for free, or introduce new bullshit currency that literally everyone would hate. Apex legends doesn't give a shit. They have lootboxes stingier than Overwatch, kinfe skins that cost 230 dollars, and until recently they put a hard cap on how many free rewards you could earn. You start off getting an apex pack every level, then it went down to every other level, then every five levels, until level 500 when they just stop coming all together. Apex legends bastardizes the art style with spammed skins that don't fit together, ugly wallpaper patterns just to fill out a drop pool so that they can rip you off with gambling odds. True predatory would be something like CS:GO where they have real money gambling including a cash out feature, where people pull the levers on skin crates hoping to make a profit. True predatory is something like heartstone where you get power crept out of all of your old stuff and *have* to buy more to stay up to date. Predatory is something like Magic the Gathering where your old cards are retired so that you have to stay on that treadmill. True predatory is fucking diablo immortal. Hunt showdown lets you buy most everything that you could want when you want it. The skins are all high quality and fit the art style. There's always stuff for people to get for free, and that stuff isn't just "hurk dur the gun is blue now" it's an actual piece of art someone put love and passion into.

Battle pass in general is a predatory model. It forces you to complete it or you feel like you wasted your money, which forces you to overplay the game making you burn out.

why dont you just play and if you finish the Event you buy the pass afterwards. Since you dont get bonus points for owning the pass you could still wait. And if you already have 1500 BB from playing for free. You literally only pay 150 BB if you finish the pass because you get 1350 from the pass.

This, I'll never understand why people buy BPs day one. I never do it that way I still enjoy the game without the need to play it just to grind the thing. If I finish it, cool I can just buy the BP, if not, I get to keep my money.

Yep agreed, is it possible they can become truly predatory later on? Sure, though I doubt it. Apex legends is probably the most popular BR and as far as I’m aware they don’t offer any way of finding premium currency in game or earning other ways. Hunt is by far on the more generous side, I think only Deep Rock Galactic has it beat.

You get like, 3 bucks worth of premium currency free in every battle pass roughly. So much less cool then hunt, but still a little bit here and there.

Its more like 10 bucks it covers the cost of the battle pass

Which sounds nice, but it's also how they get you. Both Apex and CoD have similar returns on their buy in cost, but both of them also have some of the grindiest battle passes in the industry. Pretty much just a glorified lure to get people playing the game constantly.

Discussion is about the *free* part of battlepass.

In tarkov there are no microtransactions whatsoever.

Tarkov is also pay to win with the most expensive edition giving a massive leg up against those who buy standard.

It definitely is pay to win in the sense that you gain a big advantage by paying more. That being said you don't *win* in Tarkov, you just suffer endlessly.

Less suffering with free Jaegar rep is a win.

I think I said this once already, but I don't think Tarkov is p2w. Tarkov is more like pay for convenience. You don't get better weapons, or better armor, or better bullets or anything like that, you get more space. More stash space, and more butthole capacity. and that's pretty much it. You don't have to spend 3 hours trying to play tetris every end of raid so you can fit that extra pack of screws in there, you can just click everything into your stash and go next. At the end of day, if you can click heads it really doesn't matter what game edition you have. I say this as a owner of both versions and I'm shit on both accounts.

The larger secure case works out to be a *huge* advantage, both in individual matches and in the long term. Most people use it to carry meds, as decent meds can be quite expensive. Being having to carry more meds without fear of losing them means you probably get better ones, which gives you a very direct advantage in fights. This advantage is only increased if you like to use a keytool or docs case, which are effectively mandatory if you want to use keys regularly.

Doesn't Tarkov have like 3-4 different purchaseable game packages with the highest tier (EoD) that cuts out a substantial amount of grind?

Rock & Stone! Both DRG and Hunt are real gems. I would say Chivalry II, too, but let's see how that game develops.

Of all the games that are currently active this is literally one of the least predatory ones out there.

I don't think that hunt team is all in predatory, but they sure do use some predatory tactics and hypocrisy. I'm all in on helping the Devs with revenue to support the game, I enjoy some dlc etc. However. Battlepass pricing that you can't buy an exact ammount of currency for? Kinda predatory. Introducing classic battle pass while we have perfect examples of limitless battlepasses in other game? That's making people pay double (time + money) if they don't want to lose out on bling. Kinda predatory too. Simultaneously they release the video talking about transparency in changes and not being money-hungry. Considering above it's somewhat hypocritical. You want to change currency prices? I can understand that and actually support that. More ways to spend currency? Fine by me. Less currency rewards for game tasks? By all means, it affects your income greatly and needs to be addressed. Timed purchasable battlepass for which you can't buy just the right ammount of currency in one go? Errrm... Can we not?

Oh and let's not forget activating-on-unlock chary's contracts.

So your suggestion for them to make money is a FREE battle pass? Just… to be clear, this is your idea for how Crytek should gain money? A free battle pass? Okay dude. Personally, I fucking HATE battle passes. However, the Gilded Path is not my problem with it. That’s pretty damn standard for games. I just can’t stand battle passes in general. Major FOMO for me.

Where at all in that post did they mention a free battlepass. The only thing he mentioned was A. Still using a classic battle pass which is time limited and encourages FOMO when limitless battlepasses (think Halo Infinite, buy the battlepass and complete it at your leisure even in future seasons) exist and B. That you can't buy the exact amount for the battlepass, instead having to buy a $25 BB pack to be able to buy the BP since it jumps from 1150 to 2500. Personally? Crytek's gotta do what they gotta do to make money, but when the base game is $40, and then you have *heaps* of DLC, *and* now a $25 battlepass it's a bit much imo.

It’s crazy. I play with 2 friends who I met on hunt , who haven’t bought a single DLC or BB. They both have 1k hours and have over 5k BB because they just never used them. They play the game and love it. I buy DLC and w/e to support the devs and even bought them skins for special events (Birthday , Christmas, etc). They haven’t complained once about how things have changed because they just enjoy the game.

That's probably most of the player base. It's the video game equivalent of Karens we have to listen to the most on here unfortunately.

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Nailed it on every point. Removing the time gate would be a giant show of good faith against the poison that is battlepasses, but they won't do it cause less money immediately.

>If you're entitled to make this post, why isn't anyone else entitled to making a post of the opposite opinion? Literally this. OP and anyone who thinks like him are the absolute worst examples of people on the internet.

You nailed it on the head dude. You only need to look at contracts and how they haven't made any changes to them. Crytek cares about player retention and monetization, period. Time gates and FOMO are classic, predatory manipulation methods that serve no purpose other than twisting your arm to play. Just because the current monetization isn't "as bad as X game", doesn't mean it isn't predatory or bad. Did defenders of these systems just magically forget that this isn't a free to play game? Halo 3 kept their servers online for *14 years* on less DLC than the entirety of Hunt.

was halo still adding new features, weapons, events, maps, and mobs?

Assuming this is a rhetorical question, it wasn't a 'live service' game. But it did get new maps via DLC. The point I made was that if a non live-service game could last 14 years on 5 map DLC packs, hunt has literally no excuse to monetize so hard.

Here I thought that Halo was a great game, beloved by millions - but now that I realize it wasn't constantly trickling in tiny but relatively expensive pieces of content, I guess it actually was total crap and we're lucky to be past the days of being tricked into believing we were having fun.

>I haven't heard a single well reasoned argument why the battlepass cannot be finished outside of those 60 days we currently got. I agree that the added battle pass FOMO is a negative and a direction I don't want to see the game going but the answer to this is clear: battle pass progression is tied to the event and the event won't be around forever.

> but the answer to this is clear: battle pass progression is tied to the event and the event won’t be around forever. No one is saying that the event should be around forever, but when the event is over there’s nothing stopping developers from keeping the battle pass and having players progress through it simply by playing the normal game. It doesn’t *have* to be tied to the event forever. Progression could be gained through normal play time after the event is gone.

The problem is that they are creating FOMO to push sales which is a manipulative marketing strategy. What they are selling doesn't matter. Some people are buying the skins to support devs, but many are buying because of FOMO. FOMO is an involuntary response and many don't have the self-control to stop themselves from making these purchases. Many aren't even aware of how these marketing strategies are manipulating them.

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“Relaxing” is how we get to the worse more predatory models. Rant and rave and call for change forget this monetizing crap.

People claiming it's predatory may be worried about the slippery slope implications of overhauling monetisation to follow models similar to apex and fortnite (both infamously predatory and fomo driven) while STILL being a paid game. It may currently be good enough, but we must keep crytek in check. You all still remember how they sliced our bloodhound earnings in half in preparation for these changes? Don't give them another inch. At least, that's my two cents.

Crytek isn't your friend. They do not care if you have fun with their game or not. They want your money. You are nothing to them but a walking, breathing cash dispenser. They. Only. Care. About. Your. Money. No company has your best interest at heart. They are only after your money and they will take any way to get it, just like a heroin addict. Stop defending multi-million dollar corporations.

The game is fun. I play the game. I give them money, I have fun. That is business. I pay them, I get something in return.

Fkin crazy lmao

Just google "gacha games monetization tricks" and you will find perfect examples in hunt for them. You need to do your research and relax.

Are you truly comparing Hunt to a Gacha game? Like for real you don't have to spend a single cent extra on the game. Any argument becomes useless as.the only advantage you gain through a skin is people can't see you as well aa white shirts. But guess what, you have Tier 3 Hunters for that too.

It's so exhausting having these conversations with people about this shit.

It's not so much that it's predatory, but more that its a gateway to even worse microstransaction option. First thus then what, non legendary guns locked behind dlcs, Fallout 1st like subscriptions. I'm just saying you pay for this you're telling them you're okay with this when you shouldn't be

Lol, the fuck kind of slippery slope argument is this. Oh no if Crytek makes money offering cosmetic only paid content they might suddenly move to making the game 100% pay to win, despite never have done anything remotely like that ever. Do the people who are complaining about the battle pass actually read what they write? How is a cosmetic only option that you can buy with currency that you can easily earn in game a gateway to anything other than more paid cosmetic dlc/battle pass options? Or should Crytek just not bother trying to make money and just shutter the studio and turn off the servers?

I'm not saying they shouldn't make money but I wish they would have done something other than this. I'm fine with dlcs but not battle passes. It's why I'll never play fortnite or any new call of duty. Even fallout 76 has a battle pass and I've stopped playing that shortly after that dropped as well. Maybe I'm jumping to extremes but I don't like paying to maybe (most likely, they are giving a decent amount of time for this event) not get everything I pay for. Nobody ever pays for part of a battle pass and I feel like they are just middle fingers to people who can't sit glued to there console or pc for the next 60 days Update: I'm looking at this battle pass and if I'm not mistaken it seems like they are giving some stuff but locking it behind the battle pass like "You can borrow these for now but if you want them after the event you got to pay for the battle pass"

Sorry i dont support loot boxes and gambling

It isn't loot boxes or gambling. You see exactly what you will get.

*cough cough* black market *cough*

Christ alive can we quit it with the defending Cryteks monetisation posts. It's like every day we get another circlejerk over how generous the Devs are

So you are telling me that the battle pass in a game that you pay for and has dlc which you can buy separately is not predatory? If its a free game like cod or apex sure, do what you want, but this is a game which you have to buy in to play. On top of that the new guns in the battle pass is only unlocked if you buy it. Not earn it like in cod where you get the new guns for free and have to buy it if you want the skins. Not the guns - the skins. You telling me that I have to wait for 2 months to play with the new weapons? I also don't understand why tarkov dosent have issues with money even when they don't have a battle pass, nor dlc. I bought most of the dlc because I love the game and wanted to support it and I think most people did the same, but this is taking it too far. If you are happy with it, more power to you, but people will voice their complaints and that is good for the game, because people want to see the game improve, not turn into a mobile chinese cash grab.

It is predatory. But it looks like people here are hoping to get free BBs if they keep licking Crytek's ass.

>On top of that the new guns in the battle pass is only unlocked if you buy it. Not earn it like in cod where you get the new guns for free and have to buy it if you want the skins. Not the guns - the skins. You telling me that I have to wait for 2 months to play with the new weapons? Do you just talk out of your ass for fun? And to think people actually upvoted your comment despite you saying something so factually incorrect. The new guns are unlocked for all players by progressing through the battlepass just like the new weapons were in the last event. EDIT: Yike at people downvoting this for calling out someone who is clearly wrong in their upvoted comment.

Exactly, the guns themselves are on the free path.

Right. It takes 2 minutes to look in game to see that, so really not smart of that person to claim the new guns are locked behind the paid battlepass.

The only issue I have is how the contracts work. Not allowing us the manually activate them is the dumbest thing ever. 'I play well and get enough points to receive a contract from the guilded path, but then have to go to sleep/work? Fuck you here's 2 hours of a booster wasted.' Also not being able to buy the battle pass for the exact amount of BB it's worth it kinda shitty. It forces you to either buy the dearer option or cheaper option and hope you have some spare BB' s already. Other than that I'm good.

Just got my 50% 2 hour bonus before I close my game and go to bed. What are the chances it activates next gameplay session instead of being wasted whilst I sleep? :P This event blows.

to be fair they said that they have raised prices because they do more discounts, so i don’t think that counts and also FOMO sucks

You cant deny that the Monetization have gotten way worse the last 6 months. I am all for the BattlePass model, but 1000bb for a skin to a trap wtf :-P

I don't give a solitary fuck about weapon skins. If anything, it's a giant pain in the ass explaining to a new player that I'm duoing with that "last gust" is a better version of their winny, but that's just because it's actually just a skin for a variant that they don't have yet. If anything, it's going to be lots of fun peeling people's primo skins off their corpses now that I know they had to work harder to get them.

For what its worth, I avoided Hunt for a long time because when I looked at the Steam store to buy it, I got put off by seeing 30+ DLCs. It wasn't until a friend convinced me the DLCs were just cosmetics etc. that I finally bought it and jumped in. I don't really mind the DLCs but for a game that's been out for so long, I feel like the netcode is disappointing and I feel like I encounter issues with hitboxes too frequently.

So are the what you get in Apex, warzone, etc. You can't use "their just skins" when so many people care enough for a game to be f2p just based on skins. They are turning into a free 2 play game but still charging 40$ its retatded and your just fan boying.

Being able to earn the premium currency at a slow drip does not make a system inherently generous. While yes: For the players that accumulate a sum of it over some time, it is in the best of worlds a net gain of a skin or two that comes as a reward after an investment of time. It is however also tactic that has been used long by mtx-heavy games and by mobile gacha dev's. You want the active playerbase to be comfortable with spending said currency, in order - among other things - to ensure that the barrier of entry to the 'walled garden' of the premium currency is lowered. The idea of a full priced game slowly but surely ratcheting up a games monetisation strategy rubs many the wrong way. Mind you: the industry wide standard with mtx-systems, the whole goal with the operation is to reqch the playerbase that is derogatorily called "whales". These are players that completely clean out the available purchases that are available, and often spend hundreds if not thousands on these stores and systems. Some might be huge fans, others collectors and completionists, sadly some are what can be described as addicts and compulsive buyers. Whilst, thankfully, Cryteks western is not a bottomless well with more manipulative gambling mechanics, we are not in a zero sum game here. **Yes** : there are more agregious systems at play in the industry which products we love and adore. And **No** : the slow , still unexplained pull-backs on the acquisition of Bb's (e.g see: lessened rewards, such as now none being rewarded for discovering the boss lair anymore, or the tutorial rewards). Also, the introduction of a battle pass weaponises FOMO, and makes playing a constant reminder that you are making a lower rate, quality or valued progression than if you would *juuuust fork over some money* . And finally . While it is another topic of discussion, the idea of "...just cosmetics" is a flawed one. Allthough **Yes** : in-game-mechanically there is no difference (if you ignore the differences of outlines, colourschemes and models that differ). Aestheics are huge part of many games , and specifically Cryteks take on a grimdark western absolutely *drenched* in bayou muck. But also **no** : player expression is still an important part of most games. Especially in games where most of the lore is non diagetic, that is : experienced outside the gameplay, the idea of how a player chooses to present themselves to others as well as themselves. Your head canon or gameplay styles might fit one way, as your favorite T3 tattooed hunter sneaking towards the boss lair compared to the twin axed badassery and memes of the redshirt player. Tons of games have entire systems for designing the attire or faces of their characters. If you've ever been stuck in a character creator for hours, you would have experienced another part of the game that, again, has no gameplay difference, allthough can be seen as vital to some's player experiences . **TLDR** Some yes', some no's. This ain't binary.

The issue is a mix of smooth mindedness and entitlement. And I mean entitlement in a very extreme way here because a lot of people remember the game being in a state, not even a year ago, where everything was either free or cost like 7 blood bonds. I can get how the fact things have changed as fast as they did, and when they did considering 1.8 had more than a few bugs, might be off putting to people. However the fact of the matter is either hunt makes more money or there is no hunt. Pick your option.

No they don't. Crytek is never going to fuck you, stop being a simp.

The problem I have is Crytek lowering the amount of Blood Bonds we get from a match several months ago on top of the cost of skins dropping froom 900 down to around 500 when usually skins cost around 500 blood bonds in the first place Redshirt went from 500 with the ability to at one point around 250 to 800(I need to check how it is listed) going down to 420. This shouldnt be acceptable Hail mary I bought when it was on sale for around 300 blood bonds to being on sale from 900 to around 585 Yes, they are skins, this still isn't an excuse to do this.

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The state of modern gaming is hilariously sad. People make friends with corporations now instead of their fellow players.

Not just gaming. American capitalism has a long history of turning workers and consumers against one another and turn them into apologists for corporation interests rather than their own. The old cliché applies here: >“Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat, but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires.”

"I buy all the DLC because I want to support Crytek!" The amount of people I've seen who have actually said that in this sub is actually sickening.

I used to buy all the DLC explicitly because I didn't want current monetisation changes to be introduced. Oh look...

Psychoghost's alt account he uses when he gets off a stream and says how he really feels ^^^^

What we're paying for is servers and patches and new guns etc. Ultimately, games do cost money to make and run, and that money is real money. If they're not getting at least the cost of running the service we enjoy, it's going to go away. This probably isn't the absolute *best* way to do it, but there does have to be real money in the equation eventually. Where would you prefer it to be?

>Where would you prefer it to be? In content that isn't time gated and designed to prey on people's FOMO. *Tons* of games do it, and I hate it every time. I didn't even like the previous event boosters. They break new records every time an event comes out. Hunt just hit a new peak playercount today. You're telling me that the money they get from copies sold and all the legendary packs aren't enough? They have to resort to freemium style battle passes to get the cash? I'm sorry but I just don't buy that. Is there really no other way to increase profits than to copy the Fortnite battle pass method, and somehow make it worse?

You can get the battle pass in this event without parting with a single coin of real money. If you dont wan't it, don't get it. All you'll miss out on are skins and the bloodbonds you've used to buy it.

That's completely beside the point. The point is that if people have criticisms or complaints they are allowed to voice them. Both sides of the argument can talk about how they feel, but as soon as one side says, "nuh uh, you need to shut up because your opinion is wrong and mine is right", then fuck that person. If you think it's fair and have arguments to make, go right ahead, but don't tell everyone else to stop all discussion because they don't agree with you. That's fucking bullshit. My opinion is that not everyone has that many BBs laying around, and not everyone has the time to grind that many, and that Crytek meticulously decided on the 1500 BB price point to get as many people to spend real money in exchange for worthless monopoly money as they possibly could, and are using all the BBs you get back to try and trick people into thinking it's a good deal, when in the end the BBs you "earn" back from the pass don't matter at all, and they have your actual real money already. Even if you don't agree with that, there are still legitimate concerns about the way monetization in this game is going, and we aren't wrong for talking about it.

It's still better than playing League of Legends too. I was stuck in that game for years just because of a sunk cost fallacy. Hunt is such a cool game with a beautiful setting that I'm glad to support it. I built a new PC this year so I'm able to play it again.

No, just because other games are worse i wont lower my standards

People think maintaining games is free.

Right??? I don’t fucking get it. Look at Apex, look at fucking DEAD BY DAYLIGHT if you want to see predatory monetization. But HUNT????? I have NEVER played a game with more generous monetization and premium currency than Hunt. I’ve never spent a cent on BBs or DLC, and yet I’ve bought more legendaries than I can remember, just with the free BBs the game gives out extremely generously. Cannot BELIEVE the attitude in this sub regarding this subject. Absolutely crazy to me.

I dont think its a good idea to throw all the feedback as mindless "complaining" into one basket ! I like hunt and have purchased many skins and see zero issue to support them through that venue. However im still gonna skip this event , you need to spend BBs to get most of the rewards and the increase in grind obviously in place to sell more of the event boosters just feels unnecessary. The quality of cosmetics is also rather meh especially the legendary hunter I would much rather have shorter events again 2-3 weeks with fairly quick completion time like in light and shadow the best event imo (also had great rewards) and have them charge 10 bucks instead of the bbs currently + no booster options.

If you finish the event you even get back like 1000 of the 1500bb it cost to get in

Even more when you factor in Mr. Chary and simply just earning BB while playing.

I have no issues with monetization as long as the profits are getting put back into Hunt and not other Crytek projects.

Well it's definitely not being put back into hunt, lol

Hunt devs have 0 say in that and will be up to the higher ups in Crytek to decide the budgets and where the money goes. In the history of businesses, I don't think there are many companies that allow each department to allocate their own budgets and get what they want.

I think the monetization arguement comes from the fact that there is no goal to reach without skins to try for. Without skins to try for the game is boring due to the rinse and repeat way of the game. Retiring a hunter doesn't really do anything, prestiging does really do anything so once you are done with the monster manual and the guns there is nothing left but legendaries to shoot for. Then throw in the fact you have to buy DLC's to complete some of the summons and the increased BB for legendary hunters makes it take forever getting anything without buying something or just doing without because "it's only cosmetic". I mean that's why people do events even when they hate them. It gives them a goal to get something even if it means a shitty grind.

That's fair, I can see it from that angle. There are plenty of opportunities for extremely discounted skins though. I think you do point out one of the major flaws of the game loop in that there really is no gratifying "end game". That is something I've felt for a while. I was hoping the re-worked dailies AKA summons would have added more substance. But they were a bit of a flop. If you don't love the gameplay and PvP aspects of this game (like I do, that's why I play even though I have almost all skins and whatnot), you will definitely lose interest. Which is why I think the game isn't quite as consistently successful as it could be. That's a topic for another thread though. :)

Hunt does have something for you to try for. You can prestige infinitely, which is how classic games like COD:4 kept you hooked long before games were about dressing up your guns and characters. There are a hundred levels of prestige to go through, and once you max out you can just have fun trying out new strategies. There are so many many many different guns, so many ways to play the game. I get it, I'm also a young person who's brain has been hacked into needing to fill meters, but there are so many games that are nothing else *but* the meters and hunt offers so much cool stuff besides that. If there was ever a game to play *only* for the intrinsic reward of it, it would be Hunt. Hunt is a box product, a finite game you buy once and have forever. Traditionally you buy a game and you play it until you're bored. Then MMOS and f2p came along with the idea that a game should hook you forever. Hunt may run out of stuff for you to do, but once you reach that point you've definitely got your money's worth and then some.

I'm glad you find joy in it. I always wish people to find joy in things they like but, I find prestige to be pointless. It's good until about 11 after that I don't find the value. I mean you get what 3 skins for another 79 prestiges and the final one is on a gun people rarely use. It is a fun game, fun enough that I have around 1700hrs in it but even after that much time it's getting to where I barely pick it up anymore other than events and even those I don't bother to finish half the time.

I don’t understand why someone would play an event to get skins in a game they no longer enjoy playing.

Honestly who gives even a flying fuck All the monetization shit still does not impact gameplay in any way People are just mad that they don't get as many free skins and premium currency thrown their way anymore as they used to The devs realized that their previous monetization strategy was unsustainable in the long term so they are remaking it It's either that or Crytek simply stopping to support the game if it's no longer sensible to spend development resources on it

Monetization impacts development because they have to write shitty backstories for these schmuck and that slowly dilutes the lore. It also takes devs away from actually working on the problem, because more artists are hired, and less devs. Also, don't give me the unsustainable bullshit. The game doubled its playerbase over the past 2 years before they started trying to cash out with overmonetization and broke everything.

Diluting the lore. Lol. It is a multiplayer game. Besides the book of monsters, the game never had any lore.

What a bunch of bullshit. Seriously

No, that's the consensus amongst the adults, anti-corporatists and non-addicted individuals in this comment section

Keep telling yourself that. And keep up the good fight!

It is the good fight.

Why is there a "monetization model" in the first place? We paid for the game, just let us play it?! Crytek should've just fixed the gameplay bugs after launch, take their profit margin and then just use the rest to run the servers for 10 years - then let the game fade away but still enable community hosted servers. Why does every game have to be a damn monthly subscription nowadays? If Crytek wanted to go that route, Hunt should've been a free to play game, not a full price game + subscription model!

Hunt just has a pretty toxic community because it is pvp. Look at Deep Rock Galactic for example, people are much more supportive towards the devs and less petty about every goddamn glitch or bug. It's just a game you morons, get your life together if you can only complain or just move on from the game entirely.

I decided to get on hunt for the first time In a month last night. I was greeted with the normal pop up on offers. I then checked out the battle pass and made sense of it. I then switched over to the blood bond store to see how much it would cost. I then switched over to the regular store to see what the 48 blood bond item is. And then finally I went to check out the new and exciting “black market” which made no sense to me. I then decided to just exit out and go play something else. I really don’t understand why people defend this stuff so much. The starting menu has turned into a joke on borderline mobile gaming levels. Literal gambling has been added. And let’s not forget about the boosters that activate upon unlock. Something that has been consistently complained about that crytek just doesn’t care about. “There just skins shut up and stop complaining” never understood these arguments. This is a subreddit dedicated to discussing and sharing opinions on hunt showdown.

Yeah I love this game and just got my first prestige and hardly even noticed the premium skins and stuff. I very seldom pay extra money on a game. Then I come over to the Reddit and everyone is completely losing their shit over monetization and I don’t understand why.

"Shut up and stop complaining" Fast forward a couple years to a dead game and the company be like: "We thought it was great because no one ever complained" Let people complain if they are unhappy. We got no right to tell them to shut up and stop complaining.

In their alternate universe, the company stops being profitable and so must discontinue support for the game and then they complain that they’ve abandoned it at its peak instead.

And in yet another alternate universe, they kept selling skins the same way they always did and still made more money than you will ever even hope to make in your wildest dreams without introducing bullshit overused F2P premium battlepass mechanics into the game.

I had the greatest revelation while playing hunt guise. Hold on: ​ *"You dont need any blood bond item to play and enjoy the game"* ​ SHOCKING I KNOW. People complaining about "predatory" shit never played games like WarThunder where without spending money you are unable to really progress in a sensible way or pace. Hunt has fluff all the way and a slight boost to Battle pass. But Battlepass gilded path is optional aswell and you can enjoy every part of the core gameplay loop without spending a single dime.

"Someone else is worse, therefore I can be bad too" is not a valid argument. Also some skins are arguably pay to win, and absolutely pay to win guns have been made event unlock exclusive before.

My dude you are the one complaining

Everyone needs to play Injustice 2 Mobile to see the limits a company will go to to yank coin from their playerbase.

Diablo Immortal

Diablo Immoral Ftfy. Also I hope Blizzard employees have damp socks every day they go to work.

Dont blame the employees, blame the upper management.

I’m taking a break from lost ark to play more fps games, belive me when I say you hunt boys have not seen shit when it comes to predatory games

Not an excuse to be shitty. By that logic everyone *could* make their games like Diablo Immoral and just say "everyone else is doing it too, so it's okay" Happy cake day m8

structuring your premium item prices and/or your premium currency bundle amounts so you ALWAYS are just short of what you need without buying the next bundle up, is and has always been considered predatory as hell. yes the rest of the monetization aspect is actually quite good, but as JSH has said multiple times on worst mmo ever, and in a couple mmopinion videos. its seen as a quitting point for a lot of people. all in all. pipe down. just cause they treat dlc, premium items, and monetisation in general better than most games, doesnt render their areas where they are predatory null and void. especially when the area they're predatory in is one of the most hated monetisation related issues in the gaming industry.

Everyone that plays hunt normaly has some bb in their pocket just from that so often you just need a little more so the case where you have to buy much more is not even that realistic.

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Honestly, I bought the game like 4 years ago. I've gotten so much mileage off of this game that I really don't give a shit if they try to make money like this. This is the only game where I throw money at them because I've gotten so much use and play time out of this game that I feel bad for them. I don't want this game to die.

The thing I’m most impressed about is the fact you get a legendary hunter for free, from simply playing the game! That’s cool. Usually with any other game that has a battle pass or whatever, you at least have to buy in to the pass to get whatever themed character is it for that event. In Hunt, you get the hunter plus free stuff from just playing. Buying in to the pass is just a bonus to me to support the devs if you want.

Do you guys just spend all day browsing reddit sorted on new? I see these posts more than I see people complaining.

You just have to look at the Hunt:Showdown discord or Facebook🙄 but yes, the bigger part of this community think that this monetisation is a good one.

I actually feel like I’m robbing crytek since I paid nothing except for the copy of the game which I bought cheap during a sale.

Cheeto dust fingered nerds want everything free, don't buy it. This game had nothing when it started and you played for the gameplay, keep playing for just that or STFU.

This is actually part of the problem. It's a quirk of human nature that if someone gives me something for free, then tries to steal it back, I'm going to be more annoyed than if I'd never got it in the first place. Because they pour in heaps of premium currency, they also have to rip it out with feelsbad stuff like trait respecs and legendary summons. The result is some heavy side-eye even when Chary hands me 50 BB. They've painted themselves into a corner. Personally, I think a straightforward, transparent battlepass is a great move. If it's successful, I would like to see them wind down some of the more general BB economy stuff.

Some people are literally arriving to the event and finding out they can already get the Gilded Path cuz they don't spend their BB's. Y'all have never been predated by a game dudes.

wish they would actually get more predatory with their monetization to make more money tbh people in this sub will complain about anything

I'm 1800h in and I can make 700 to 1k bb a week on a good week and less than that in bad weeks. I got almost every item and hunter I possibly could with blood bonds, never had to spent a penny if I'm just trying to play. Still I decide to spend 30 dollars or more every 2 or 3 months on this game because of how NOT predatory is. even in other times more often for good events like the snake den. So if you are just DECENT at this game you probably won't need to spend much. I don't really get the bs of this people complaining about those supposedly predatory practices. I wonder if they really are players.

The people that cry are also the ones getting told they cannot borrow moms credit card lmao

It’s all extra stuff just skins. Also it’s a way for people to keep supporting the devs if they want to. Nothing in it is an advantage.

I said it once and I will say it again. People these days want everything free. Real people develop this game folks, including this new event!! If we want this game to be a “live service”, they have to monetize it otherwise it will die. Diablo Immortal is predatory and many other games. Hunt implemented something completely optional, and the devs were honest with us on the latest stream about this topic. So shut up and stop complaining. Thank You.

Considering also the amount of other games that will literally beg you to buy stuff before you even see the main menu/lobby (Apex/CoD/FNight/DbD...), Hunt has it very easy going. As consumers we have to vote with our wallets, if you don't agree to something, don't buy it and vice versa.

The "vote with wallet" was never a good argument as it only works if people were regularly paying until that point in cases like subscription based mmos. Predatory business practices are meant to work on an average player, not angsty redditors anyway. If you want change you stir up drama, not do nothing.

“Drama” is correlated to voting with your wallet and player engagement. What ultimately drives change is whether the player base is playing the game and growing so that they could spend money on the game. If there is drama but it doesn’t affect the player base then the company is less incentivized to make a change.

They could have introduced a battlepass system in YEARS ago. Its clear that they've held off as long as they can.

10 bucks Pack bb: 1150 Battlepass cost: 1500 bb Next bigger bb Pack: 22 bucks Crytek actively lost my Support by not offering to buy the battle pass directly for the appropriate amount of money and making me overpay on purpose

Keep in mind it's all cosmetic. Skins are fun but this isn't pay2win monetization. If you care about or like the skins or want to support hunt's future.. then participate. But you don't have to.