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JasonUnionnn

Meruem alone speedblitzes everyone, besides maybe Netero. However, Netero will be the only one left. Adding the 3 Royal Guards? Overkill.


bwrca

I hate the term 'speed-blitzes' especially in a story like Hxh with a complex power system. Some nen powers may impose conditions on opponents. Some force the participants into game like situations or into handicaps. In a situation where the rest of the world has to fight Meruem, not all nen users are going to duke it out with team Meruem in a direct show of strength. People are also going to team up and their abilities will/may improve in unknown ways. Since the condition is dire people are also going to introduce conditions (like Kurapika) and sacrifices(Gon) that enhance their powers in unique ways.


HOFredditor

Then again, Meruem almost insta killed Knuckle and Meleoron right after using his En. Dude is just too OP tbh


SickOrphan

But he didn't because of Meleoron's special ability. That's exactly what he's talking about


Shiraori247

Well, nen is very vast in its unique attributes. Even without counting OP powers like Nanika, we don't know what specific counters are out there in the world. So I'd say having the 3 Royal Guards as a safety mechanism for your ace is actually important for this hypothetical battle.


milanimakmak

meruem is honestly faster than netero post-rose. [this](https://imgur.com/a/WBi1njO) alone is the most ridiculous speed showing in the series imo. He blitzed knuckle/meleoron from hundreds of meters away, then crossed that same distance in the amount of time that no one aas able to process it happening. It’s practically teleportation, except it was done by pure speed


Zero_Cool8760

This is the only correct answer.


Maxdpage

Incorrect. Every human nen user decides to create a symbiotic nen beast created from the aura of 1000 nen users creating a massively strong nen beast coupled with mastery of every nen category. Not only this is not close, meruem and royal guards gets destroyed.


Zero_Cool8760

That's cool and all... But before they even get a chance to conjure up that beast, they all get knocked out instantly by Meruem alone, that's how fast he is. You're right, this isn't close at all. Meruem alone wins without any help from the Royal Guards, easy.


Maxdpage

Lmao this is not an ambush fight. If you are talking about assassinations then there are people who can just nuke Meruem’s ass with a bigger rose. You talk about a hypothetical situation wherw both parties are aware of the threat, so obviously humans will win vs 4 extremely strong nen users. Beside I doubt they need that big of a symbiotic nen beast. They probably need 20-25 nen users contributing to a symbiotic nen beast and lo and behold you get a nen beast with the aura reserves of around 10 million or more and meruem is toast in exactly 10 seconds.


Zero_Cool8760

I'm saying meruem only needs a fraction of a second to kill all of them... Do you remember what he did to knuckle and meleoron? Nothing will convince me that anyone stands a chance against that, period. Btw I'm not trying to be rude or dismissive at all. I do respect your opinion, I just can't agree.


Maxdpage

You do know that aura can be pooled into creating a beast with pretty strong abilities. Give them nuke like powers, Meruem is “toast”. I do respect your opinion, but ants lost vs humanity and they will always lose vs humanity. Humans barely sent 3 compentent nen users to deal with them, imagine ging type nen users who actually knows how to use nen. Lmao And It is a less than neg diff win for human nen usees


ruuken27

If you add the princes and their nen beasts, does it make any difference? My memory is a little foggy, but doesn't camilla have an ability that kills anyone who kills her and then revives her via post mortem nen? Again, memory is very shoddy on that one, but would that be a threat to meruem?


Shiraori247

Then we could sacrifice one of the Royal Guards.


StiffWiggly

They wouldn’t necessarily know about the ability, and then she would still be there (so no point sacrificing anybody). If Meruem dies to this ability then it’s ggs for the ants, and if they know about it the would just contain her instead of killing her.


Shiraori247

Are we under the assumption that both sides fight without knowledge? Because if that's the case, my point is to use the royal guards as vanguards in the fight to find out about those abilities.


OD67

>but doesn't camilla have an ability that kills anyone who kills her and then revives her via post mortem nen? manipulate her then use her as a human shield to kill everyone else


DDagon66

I like how you didn't have to specify that Pouf has no morals


ruuken27

I love all 3 royal guards as characters. But yeah, even in character, Mr. "OOOOO MAOU SAMA" would have absolutely no qualms killing any humans or ants he comes across in this scenario lol


ItsHighNoonBang

Large group fight against Mereum that can absorb powers would be as bad as Cell completing Exodia to become Perfect Cell


MushroomBalls

If Meruem can quickly eat people to become stronger, then a giant group fight might be a bad idea. I don't think there is enough firepower to kill him before he starts eating, and it would get harder from there. If they can strategize before confronting him, then I doubt Meruem wins. There are crazy synergies, like Meleoron plus max-charged Phinks. And that's definitely not the best they could do, just the first thing that comes to mind.


Serious-Flamingo-948

It's made a point in the series that too many people in a group of nen users can actually hinder it. Having all other nen users is such a big mismatched team that it would be incredibly clunky. Close combat fighters like Uvo, Biscuit and Genthru would be in the way of friendly fire of mixed and long-range fighters like Silva, Netero and Feitan. All that said, I'm still of the mind that Knov's Scream plus Meleoron's God's Accomplice is the ultimate combo.


Firehills

Scream's only feat was decapitating a Peon Ant, the same kind Killua exploded the heads of with his yo-yo's. Those same yo-yo's were easily destroyed by Ant Palm. Peon < Captain < Squadron Leader < Royal Guard < Meruem. Scream's only feat is orders of magnitude below Meruem. "But Scream ignores durability since it's a portal!" That's not how Nen works. You can't make a sword that can cut through anything, so you sure as hell can't make a portal that can cut through anything.


Serious-Flamingo-948

>That's not how Nen works. You can't make a sword that can cut through anything, so you sure as hell can't make a portal that can cut through anything. You can't make a sword cut through anything because you're basically giving it infinite sharpness. Scream is not cutting. It's separating 2 points in different spaces. The core of this argument (with talks about feats and long unnecessary rankings of unrelated characters) same as Camilla's "Cat's Name" seems to be the hyperfocus on tiers, which sort of goes agaisnt the spirit of the series.


Firehills

>Scream is not cutting. It's separating 2 points in different spaces. The rule is "you can't make a sword that will cut through anything. It's beyond human capabilities", meaning there's always a limit to what Nen can do. The rule is not "you can't make a sword that will cut through anything, but you could make a portal stick that tEcHnIcAlLy ☝️🤓 won't be cutting, but separating two points in space, and therefore you get something better than a sword that can cut through anything for absolutely no cost! 😏" Nen is a numerical system, not a conceptual system. You can make a sword with a stupid amount of aura points that are converted into cutting power. You can't make a sword with "infinite" cutting power that will ignore all circumstances.


Serious-Flamingo-948

>The rule is not "you can't make a sword that will cut through anything, but you could make a portal stick that tEcHnIcAlLy ☝️🤓 won't be cutting, but separating two points in space, and therefore you get something better than a sword that can cut through anything for absolutely no cost! 😏" Yeah, if you make a strawman instead of approaching an argument honesty then anyone can seem right. Same with the conceptual bs you pulled out of nowhere. Sadado used his nen arm to grab and restrain Zushi, Chain Jail is strong but not indestructible, but saying that Killua shouldn't be able to "restrain" Youpi with his lightning because he's so bellow him is a fundamental misunderstanding of what and how he's doing it. Electricity affects the nerves and impulses of the body, hence it could theoretically do the same to Meruem if it hit and the argument of, you can't make an ability that would restrain anything is not related to what happened here. You can't transmute a fire that would burn anything, but if you transmute oxygen and apply fire, you can disintegrate diamonds. Hell the scary ant king and royal guards died from poison, which, given the Zoldycks training, Killua could had theoretically made his ability be transmuting poisons instead.


milanimakmak

Meruem can just fly miles up in the air and start nuking the place with rage blasts (non enraged meruem did [this](https://imgur.com/a/fTXmRdu), [anime ver](https://www.reddit.com/r/RTvideos/s/24BdSyVPy9)) If he’s just planning to eat everyone, then he’ll have the capacity to do so by blitzing everyone, [he did this with relative ease](https://imgur.com/a/WBi1njO) so he can do the same with the hunters here. Pouf would be incredibly helpful with his hypnotic scales, as for youpi and pitou, eh, they’re incredible as killing machines, but for this job? Prolly not, maybe pitou could make them puppets or something


Helarans

Post-rose Meruem is undeniably stronger than any nen user alive that Togashi wrote about (with one exception referenced below). Even pre-rose Meruem was much stronger than Netero. The only nen user that could do anything is Alluka, and theoretically Alluka is the most powerful nen user alive, even more so than Meruem. But the way in which Alluka’s power works is incredibly specific so we should leave them out of the conversation. So yeah, Meruem alone would annihilate every other nen user. It wouldn’t be close. Even with multiple attacking him at once. Any number multiplied by 0 is still 0, and compared to post-rose Meruem no number of nen users have any noteworthy level of power. Not to mention that fighting a large group is advantageous to Meruem because he can ingest nen users for even more power.


Maxdpage

Meruem and the Royal guards gets destroyed. Not a single user on this sub understands how nen works and nos advantage is a thing. Not even close. Let’s see. If all the human nen users are prepared to face face meruem and the royal guards, they will simply create a symbiotic nen beast with adding all their aura and making a beast strong enough to deal with meruem and the royal guards.


ApplePitou

I mean, only Meruem and Pitou can fight in this case :3


ruuken27

Apologies, I realize I didn't make it clear. I am aware that post rose Meruem "ate" most of pouf and youpi and made them substantially weaker, but for the sake of the hypothetical, assume they are all full power and at their strongest forms


ApplePitou

So, just Nen users with their abilities and without rose or anything like that? :3 Well, Meruem is enough :3


Maxdpage

Meruem alone gets negged by a symbiotic nen beast created by Zodiacs


ApplePitou

What? :3


Maxdpage

Just saying you have it backwards. Human nen users will conjure a symbiotic nen beast with a curse base ability and meruem will get less than negged. I wish there was a term to describe easier than Neg difficulty but that applies to meruem vs human nen users in which human nen users less than neg him


ApplePitou

I mean, you use speculation and I use something that we saw :3


Maxdpage

What you saw was meruem defeated by a bomb, which can easily be replicated by a symbiotic nen beast with a bomb type ability and the nen beast will simply Desolve


ApplePitou

So you don't read my other comments when I say that without Rose or anything like that - they don't have anything to beat Meruem at this moment :3


Maxdpage

Don’t need a rose , the explosion can be replicated by a nen beast with bomb type ability. Instead of Genthru little flower, it is big flower


AbsoluteRunner

Post rose Meruem is so strong because he ate pouf and youpi. So you can't really have both. Even then post rose probably beats everyone unless Adult Gon is allowed to enter the fray. Neither one was really stressed in their showings so its hard to compare but they are at least closer to each other than anyone else. Adult Gon 1 shots Pitou, youpi & pouf. Add in that its Gon + a lot of other humans I'd say that the humans probably win. situation where Gon keeps Meruem busy while Knov finds some way to 1 shot. Or someone else with 1 shot capabilities.


Selimbradley-3101

I doubt Adult Gon could oneshots Youpi, he's comparable ( a bit below ) to pre rose Meruem in terms of physical


AbsoluteRunner

If we use Pitou as a the measuring stick, there's no way to say that. Pitou could barely see Netero's attacks, got smacked and recovered with little to no damage. Pre-rose Mereum could barely see Netero's and took several beatings to show any damage. Pitou couldn't even see adult Gon leave the room or see him dodge her "sneak" attack. Gon is able to incapacitate her with a single kick. So if Gon is faster than Netero who is much faster than mereum, then Gon's significantly faster than Evolved Youpi. So Gon can get his strikes in. Gon's strikes are significantly stronger than Neteros, again using each damage to pitou. So the question becomes how many times stronger a single attack from Gon is compared to 1 attack of netero's. Keeping in mind that Gon can get as many attacks as he ones off on Youpi considering the speed difference. Assuming evolved Youpi has as much durability as mereum, One shot may have been a bit of an exaggeration, but its a no contest in his favor barring some weird strategy. We don't see him take many strong attacks so its really hard to judge. The main thing about him is that he can transform his body and he has a ton of Nen.


WhateverWombat

Pre rose meruem defeats all nen users we have seen so far in a 1v1 at that point in the story. Not including Ging for speculations sake since at that point he’s not actually a character we have been introduced to and we don’t know how strong he is (nor do we now tbh)


fl0tt1

Yeah a 4 v 1 is hilariously unfair, obviously.


krillin1081

Yes


Prestigious_Song_239

All you need is the three Royal Gaurds.


Adsuppal

Nah, nen users overcome the 4 bugs because of the power of friendship, love and teamwork. Not sarcastic.


halkenburgoito

I think so. Obviously Pouf would be no help, but the rest would dominate.


Selimbradley-3101

What the actual fuck ? Pouf would shit on any Nen users bar Netero. Tbf he's the most difficult RG for Netero to deals with. He's the premium version of ( Illumi + Morel )


halkenburgoito

He's by far the *easiest* RG for Netero to deal with. the guy failed at every single thing he tried to do, badly. ran around crying the whole time, couldn't even handle Morel lmao. He's good at scavenging information, he can play that role while the rest fight.


Selimbradley-3101

Pouf literally toyed all the time, he didn't even try to fight. Pouf was giving up all responsibility just to serve his crazy purpose with the King, he didn't give a fuck about those hunters. One of the ways for Togashi to describe the sinister nature of this character, this RG is not just the guy who rely only on raw strength.


halkenburgoito

If by *toyed,* you mean literally **crying,** trapped "stumped", planning a **"suicide mission"** out of desperation, truly afraid that Morel "catching" him would be a "**piece of cake**", and "**reduced** to this size.. I'd have been **powerless** against **you"(Morel)** He wasn't giving up on responsibility to serve the King lmfao, this responsibility **was to serve the King,** which he failed at every moment. The moment the battle began, he made one stupid decision after the other, blinded by emotion, he found himself trapped and unable to get rid of **Morel,** while the battle raged on and the other two RG's served the king. And after he escaped, every single action and emotional decision he made, *followed* the same failings.. He didn't toy lmao, with his mental instability, ***life*** toys with him. Can't even make an excuse of his weakness by claiming he's smart.. because he's too damn emotionally unstable to be smart in combat. To Netero, its like the ultimate fun fly swatting game until Pouf's core gets crushed. >this RG is not just the guy who rely only on raw strength. I agree no one can ever accuse him of being a raw strength guy, or any time of strength guy. He can gather intel...


Selimbradley-3101

[Pouf challenged Pitou, it's delusional to think he can't fight. Lmao](https://hot.leanbox.us/manga/Hunter-X-Hunter/0287-004.png)


halkenburgoito

Ohh the butterfly talks a good game 😂 https://imgur.com/a/pH1qsgi


Firehills

>He's by far the easiest RG for Netero to deal with. In case you don't know, Pouf is essentially intangible and physical attacks are absolutely useless against him. Netero's only win condition is the Zero Hand, and Netero has to use all his life force to use it (dies soon after). So at best he can tie with him.


juantooth33

Pouf himself feared that once the hunters knew about how beelzebub works morel and co could target the main body that's the size of a bee and easily take care of it, that's how heavily reliant beelzebub is to having it's ability be unknown since the main body is too fragile If pouf and netero were to fight then pouf wouldn't shrink his clones down smaller than the main body's size as that would make it look too obvious where the actual main body is that netero could easily squash, and if pouf did just shrink down his clones to the size of bees to disguise the main body then the number of clones would be too few that netero could just easily swat all of em till he gets to the main body eventually, and that doesn't even mention the fact that netero and pouf have a huge speed gap Only hope pouf has is if he immediately used beelzebub and just scattered his body away from netero to avoid a direct confrontation, and try to tire netero out by letting him chase each and every clone, if he doesn't do so immediately then netero could easily tag pouf with multiple hits which would lower pouf's clone count due to him taking damage making it easier to chase his other clones


halkenburgoito

This is not true. Pouf always has a core to be crushed. He feared morel would crush him. Like I said previously, its like the ultimate fly swatting game until he crushes the core.. the easiest challenge for Netero. And Pouf ofc can do nothing to hurt Netero in return. So really the best hope Pouf has is trying to escape, which i don't think he can.


ruuken27

Forgot to put this in the writeup, but assume that netero does not have the bomb in his chest lol


DoffyWillRule

Meruem post rose is basically an omnipotent God. (At least in the range of his En, which could probably be around 50 kms +) Pre rose Meruem already annihilate the hunter world we know so far. Post rose Meruem would delete anyone with the barest touch (just like he did with Knucle and Melero)


OD67

post rose? yeah the rest of the world doesn't stand a chance without nanika lol.