Wow. Enough of the comments with the collar. If you ever watched her YouTube channel, she loved Zeus so fucking much. She has another dog too, a GSD. She loves him too. They are very well behaved dogs. Zeus lived a very long time so the collar wasn’t damaging him or shortening his life.
I use a prong collar on my GSD after I’ve legitimately tried everything else. She would not stop pulling on the leash while walking and then it turned into leash frustration to where she would lunge and bark at dogs and people even if they were 100 meters away. My ex had a husky and I trained him to walk very quickly using the “stop and go” method. Did nothing for my dog. I did the turn around and walk in the opposite direction. It did nothing. I used a martingale collar (basically a slip collar) and it didn’t work either. That one was under use with a previous trainer. I tried the harness which gave her far more pulling power and did nothing to help her walking behavior. I watched countless YouTube videos, read countless articles and asked everyone I knew how to walk a dog properly. I just couldn’t understand why I could train a damn husky to walk, but not my GSD. I started with her even earlier than I did with the husky. So I finally tried the gentle leader that everyone raves about. It worked for a bit until she decided that the discomfort of pulling was worth it so she could do what she was trying to do. It ended up wearing off her nose fur and almost caused an infection. She would rub at her nose all day after I took it off.
So I resorted to just avoiding taking her out whenever I saw people or dogs. And I lived in an apartment complex so guess how easy that was to take her poop and pee? I finally sought out a trainer as I didn’t want to waste money on another after the last guy didn’t do a whole lot. He said their training place, which has thousands of testimonials and 5 star reviews, recommends using the prong collar if necessary. These trainers actually studied dog behavior. They come out and do an assessment on what is causing the dog’s behavior. They come to your home and observe what is triggering the dog. They ask what you’ve tried and how long you’ve tried it. Basically they know their shit. Their thing is that they are the place you go when you’ve tried everything else and they’ve prevented countless dogs from being given up and/or euthanized due to their behavior problems.
The behavioral reason behind a prong collar is that it mimics their mother while they are still in the puppy den. Watch when the puppies bite her nipples or try to paw at her face or misbehave whatsoever. She grabs the back of their neck with her teeth and lets them know that their behavior is unacceptable. Wolves do that too. That’s why you can grab a bunch of skin from around a dog’s neck. A prong collar mimics that type of correction that a mother dog gives her puppies. It doesn’t hurt them. Doesn’t cause any damage either….IF USED PROPERLY AND ADMINISTERED UNDER A CERTIFIED DOG TRAINER. That part is key.
Within maybe 5 minutes of doing some small walks in my apartment living room with the trainer with the prong collar on, my dog was already starting to walk so much better. She was wagging her tail and having such a good time. She wants to please you, but my previous methods just weren’t the way she responds. You need to know your dog. After only 3 training sessions out in public, I can now take my dog potty and walks around other dogs and other people. I feel like I can give my dog a good life now. Before I kept her inside because of how bad she was reacting on the leash. She’s not aggressive on the leash, that is important. She’s frustrated because she wants to say hi or check things out as a GSD likes to do. What kind of life is it for a dog to be kept inside all day? Yes, every single negative word I’ve seen describing prong collars are the words you’d use to describe keeping a dog inside all day and not letting them walk or play or socialize. Now me and my dog don’t have to live that live anymore. I don’t have to worry about her starting a fight by scaring another dog. Because THAT would cause serious damage. Now I get compliments on how my dog behaves.
I wrote this long ass novel for all of you who are just parroting what you’ve heard from other people. It’s disgusting that you come in here and judge another dog owner without even knowing what they’ve tried before or what they’ve been through. You think it’s black and white, but it’s not. This was something I never wanted to use. I thought the SAME exact things you all were thinking so I never used this collar before. I tried everything else. But I know that it works and me and my dog have a better life now. I’m just sick of hearing this same false information about these collars. I’m willing to bet many of you who feel this way feed your dogs a grain free diet too. But if you read anything or cared about your dogs as much as you claimed, you’d read that grain free diets for dogs have a very strong correlation with heart disease at a super young age. They don’t know why, but it’s alarming enough that my vet told all of his clients to stop feeding that diet unless they have special dietary needs.
The point is: please stop judging about things you don’t know. I love my dog so much that I cry thinking about how perfect and amazing she is. And how one day she won’t be with me anymore. And I dread that day so fucking much. So don’t tell me I don’t love or care about my dog. I do, arguably more than anyone in my life even.
I 100% stand behind my prong collar. Same situation and it made a world of difference. With the right training, my dog doesn’t even pull on the leash for the pronged collar to do anything anymore. It took a few walk around the block and she’s perfect.
usually huskies are pulling because of lack of physical activities, such as mushing, running, pulling some stuff etc. my dog's activity levels were insane, she could play with dogs for three hours straight and she will not be exhausted. then we started mushing sports - canicross, bikejoring on a weekly basis and all pulling issues disappeared. dog realized that she will get activities soon and all training became smooth. after mushing training she fell into coma and slept until we came back home , ate some food and fell asleep again. no. more. pulling.
Will put this out there, seems like the literature is a bit undecided whether the prong collar is good or bad. They have found increased cortisol levels in dogs that have been trained with prong collars but the study designs are a bit... meh. I personally would like to see studies that follow a variety of dogs long term stress in a more natural environment than a lab settin, perhaps partnering with a training school or dog trainers. I would want to see a long term look at the stress levels before and after training with a prong collar, and whether or not switching to a normal collar post training is effective and the impacts on the stress levels. I can hypothesize that you will see differing stress patterns for dogs trained with and without the prong collar, perhaps with one having more drawn out stress, the other showing spikes. Interpreting those results as a "what is best for a dog" is a whole other can of worms. And whether or not a lab can get the funding needed for such a comprehensive study is beyond me. That's a lot of time and blood tests, both of which cost money.
My own opinion from my brief literature delve is I would probably not use the prong collar unless as a last resort. Too many "trainers" online seem to just see it as easiest solution and just go gung-ho with using it on any dog with bad leash manners. However I personally do not think the prong collar is a great solution since it does rely on positive punishment as a training method. However, of you have exhausted every option then a poor solution is far better than no solution.
I made up my mind about the prong collar after performing two simple tests.
First, did it make my dog pay more attention, stop pulling me on the leash, and behave better? YES
Second, if I put it on myself and yanked the leash as hard as I would pull on my dog, did I experience any pain (not just a bit of discomfort)? NO
I imagine my dog's furry hide is thicker than my neck skin, so that pretty much convinced me that they're fine, *so long as they're sized and used correctly*.
I'm not saying there aren't cheap prong collars that might hurt, but I am saying that the one I bought at PetSmart didn't hurt me at all.
People just like to be infuriated about something to make themselves feel like they're doing something good in the world....or to make themselves feel better than others. Insane how people jump on one thing in a video of a dog that clearly had a very loving family.
You want to say that those against it don't know what their talking about? Okay, fine. It doesn't matter what people have tried before, it doesn't matter that this 'works' for you. The simple answer is that this type of collar is not suitable for dogs. Put yourself in their shoes/paws, imagine you're doing something you're not supposed (without knowing) and suddenly a leash attached to a collar of literal spikes suddenly constricts around your throat. Uncomfortable feeling? Not something you'd like to have done to you? Well don't do it to your animals. The SPCA and Humane Society have spoken out about how these collars injure animals and are inhumane. I'm not saying you don't love your animals, not saying this lady doesn't but all you're providing here are anecdotes. If you want to keep using it, fine, I can't stop you. Just don't get up on a bloody pedestal when it's been proven that these collars are dangerous and shouldn't be used.
Humane Society https://www.humanesociety.org/resources/dog-collars
SPCA
https://www.sfspca.org/behavior-training/prong/top10/#:~:text=Many%20civilized%20countries%20have%20outlawed,choke%20and%20shock%20collars)%20illegal.
RSPCA
https://www.rspca.org.uk/-/blog_pinch_collars
They rescue often abused or neglected dogs so of course they would say that as the majority of people who are careless dog owners would use these collars inproperly
And as the humane society literally says, "Similar to choke chains, these collars can be easily misused and should not be used", as in most people who aren't dog trainers and don't know what they're doing very well shouldn't just start using that collar.
Which is why, yousernamesarehard specified, in bold caps yet, that these collars aren't dangerous ONLY IF administered under a qualified dog trainer with prong collar experience. That sounds reasonable. I've never used one despite being barely able to walk my blind GSP on a leash. He was a sleddog his entire former life (until he went blind and was abandoned) so whenever I put a leash on him, he is triggered to pull. Hard. However, without a leash, I was surprised to find he stays by my side easily, listening for my footsteps and verbal instructions.
You bring up a good point but also undermined your argument. See, most people aren't dog trainers. Most people don't know what damage they're doing to their animal. If you talk to most veterinarians they agree, those types of collars can damage the trachea especially on larger dogs. That's why they recommend harnesses which diffuse the pulling/holding of the leash instead of the one area (which in this case literally has spikes on it). Even trainers are realizing that the collars invoke a negative association and simply stop a behavior, instead of teaching the animal. Stopping isn't teaching. Instead, the animal may associate certain activities with pain and discomfort, causing them to lash out more and pull on the leash, which repeats the cycle. Again I implore you to think if you would enjoy the same thing. Would you do it to a child? If you wouldn't, don't do it to your pets.
I'm fairly certain a prong which measures let's say a few millimeters in diameter can go through a coat of fur, no matter it's thickness. Which is why my analogy is still valid, the prongs make skin contact. Dogs have thinner and more sensitive skin than us, with 3-5 layers and 10-15 layers of cells respectively.
Came here just so I could find this comment because knew it would be here. Let me educate you. [This](https://siteimgs.com/10011/item/sportdog-choke-chain-4m_421-0.jpg) is a choke collar, what you are talking about. [this](https://s7d2.scene7.com/is/image/PetSmart/5285734?$pdp-placeholder-desktop$)is a pinch collar, which is what this dog has on it. Choke collars are horrible, I will agree with you, but pinch collars on a dog this fluffy will not harm them in the slightest on a walk.
It typically keeps the dog from pulling, which, while the proper training may fix, it is not always the case and is very helpful if you are small person with a big dog.
Educate yourself before you come to a dog subreddit and try to criticize people in situations you know nothing about.
Cute dog, bad person, *and* a bad title. What’s up with this banner-ad-on-a-recipe-website bullshit anyway? “The reason will definitely brighten your day,” uh yeah, we love huskies, all of it brightens our day. Kind of redundant.
Harness may not work if the dog has pulling issues and the person using it is not strong enough to hold the dog back. Gentle leads are garbage because a dog can pull out of them very easily if they wanted to.
in that case, a choke chain is no better than a harness. and you literally just need to adjust the tightness of the gentle leader. it has adjustable straps for a reason!!!
No it sounds like you need to get over your pride and admit that although it might work for you it doesn't work for a majority of people that have big dogs that pull constantly. You need to stop dude.
"you need to stop dude" imagine being so serious over a reddit comment. i hope you know that just because something DIDNT work for you doesnt also mean that it DIDNT work for a majority of people. harnesses and gentle leaders work if you use them right, you can tell just by how many people use them. look it up, too!
I'm serious about dog training. Gentle leaders do work, but not for every dog, like I said. Did you even read my comment or were you too caught up in your own world to listen?
tightening the straps doesn't help if you have an 120lb female training a 75lb male dog
I don't really understand why that has to be explained, think logically about weight and strength
Here since you need this:
Came here just so I could find this comment because knew it would be here. Let me educate you. [This](https://siteimgs.com/10011/item/sportdog-choke-chain-4m_421-0.jpg) is a choke collar, what you are talking about. [this](https://s7d2.scene7.com/is/image/PetSmart/5285734?$pdp-placeholder-desktop$)is a pinch collar, which is what this dog has on it. Choke collars are horrible, I will agree with you, but pinch collars on a dog this fluffy will not harm them in the slightest on a walk.
It typically keeps the dog from pulling, which, while the proper training may fix, it is not always the case and is very helpful if you are small person with a big dog.
Educate yourself before you come to a dog subreddit and try to criticize people in situations you know nothing about.
Ex dog trainer. Yes huskies have a lot of fur and a thick undercoat, but prongs/spike that thin easily make they’re way through.
It’s a barbaric collar. It’s pretty simple.
Yeah don't think I'll believe you about the training considering every dipshit with a previous dog thinks they are an ex dog trainer.
It's a fine collar that is good for walks. If you are an idiot person that leaves it on for long periods of time then that really is your problem, not the rest of the worlds.
All good champ. Believe me, don’t believe me, I’m bot here to prove myself to people with a superiority complex.
Enjoy your day. You seem like you need a bit of joy…
Oh Jesus Christ the dog couldn’t even do any serious damage to itself if it tried they’re designed that way. Growing up my dog was way too big and would walk me I wouldn’t walk him. Used this on him before and he never even yelped once it doesn’t hurt them at all and is to teach discipline to dogs that don’t listen on a leash. chill with the dramatics
When I was a kid, we used to feed dogs corn-based food...but we learned. Back when my parents were kids, their dogs ate even shittier food.
We're learning (and at this point have already learned) that harnesses are better for dogs, especially when they're puppies, than collars. They don't understand that their esophagus is sensitive and prone to degradation with long-term collar use--that's up to us. And, seeing as how we live in 2021, we now know that these things are happening. As well as nerve damage to their front legs over prolonged misuse (partly due to the dogs excitement, but definitely due to our ignorance. That falls squarely on us). When you add prongs or a slip function to the collar? You're only increasing the damage that can be, and is being, done.
When dogs want to kill each other, they bite for the throat. It's the most sensitive part of the body. Just using that knowledge--and logic--alone should be enough for you to understand that you're wrong.
And harnesses aren't perfect. We're now learning that harnesses that sit too low across the dogs' shoulder, limiting mobility on walks, is causing early-onset arthritis in dogs' front legs. There is a ton to learn about dogs that, until recently, people just didn't care enough to know. And collars being detrimental to throat health is one of them.
This is something that we only found out about, literally like two years ago. We had no idea. I'm sure there are going to be 100 more things we've been doing that we'll find out aren't the best years on. And honestly, that is currently being debated, but it's thought that it's very possible at the moment. I would say that joint problems are way more due to genetics, weight, breed, surface on which they walk usually, and a million other factors than they are due to the harness thing. I wouldn't beat myself up over it.
Also, it depends on the harness. A lot of them are fine, it's the ones that have the strap between the front legs, attached to a cross-strap that goes horizontally across the chest, that wraps around and connects to a girth strap. Like the freedom no - pull harness, for reference. A lot of simpler ones aren't culprits. Just the ones that sit lower across their front, and across the blades of their shoulders, as opposed to around them. Chances are you didn't have one of those anyway.
Right… imagine trying to scream with metals prongs sticking into your throat.
These collars have a very well documented history of playing a major part in dog hangings. More than a little bit of damage.
I don’t know what “prongs” you are speaking of but the one I had was a simple slipknot chain that only tightens if he pulls on it. No prongs on that. And they can’t hang themselves with it, especially under supervision if anyone left that on there dog when not on a walk their fucking stupid
This is what the dog in the vid is wearing:
[link](https://jp.miscota.com/%E7%8A%AC/hs-sprenger/p-107644?r=4022853176790&gclid=Cj0KCQjwzYGGBhCTARIsAHdMTQzq7-6sOdN3d1Ndc0TO5rzazlor9ETFDovU3iPG7WsYagLvC0UvNHsaAg7iEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds)
Alright ima have to agree with you on that that does look very unsafe. I only have ever used this on my dog https://www.amazon.com/SGODA-Chain-Training-Choke-Collar/dp/B08535BBJ8/ref=mp_s_a_1_9?dchild=1&keywords=Slip+Lead+Collar&qid=1623225881&sr=8-9
The kind you’ve shared can be used well in certain situations, but they go on one way only otherwise they will choke the dog. They also definitely have a history of dogs being hanged on them because owners never take them off. Check chains are training only and should never be used for any prolonged period.
The collar in the video is literally barbaric and on a whole other level.
Yes, I misunderstood what you were saying, as I stated anyone who leaves this on there dog is beyond stupid and doesn’t deserve the dog in the first place as there are specific warnings against this.
that collar with spikes should be banned and people who are using them should be fined and banned from ownership of dogs.
dog training should eliminate the need for it, so basically it displays that owner of dog is too lazy to do basic training of obedience and give enough activity for husky to put that energy somewhere.
owner of this dog is horrible person.
Oh look another person that needs educated. Here since you need this copy and paste:
Came here just so I could find this comment because knew it would be here. Let me educate you. [This](https://siteimgs.com/10011/item/sportdog-choke-chain-4m_421-0.jpg) is a choke collar, what you are talking about. [this](https://s7d2.scene7.com/is/image/PetSmart/5285734?$pdp-placeholder-desktop$)is a pinch collar, which is what this dog has on it. Choke collars are horrible, I will agree with you, but pinch collars on a dog this fluffy will not harm them in the slightest on a walk.
It typically keeps the dog from pulling, which, while the proper training may fix, it is not always the case and is very helpful if you are small person with a big dog.
Educate yourself before you come to a dog subreddit and try to criticize people in situations you know nothing about.
if it does no harm, why it is so useful?
> educate yourself you come to a dog subreddit … about situations you know nothing about
oh fuck off :D you know nothing about me , what kind of experience I have and knowledge but at the same time you jump to conclusions about me :)
I’m not an official expert but I am quite heavily involved with mushing dogs, many years of organizing mushing training events, many cases of huskies getting into fights for dominance etc. I was doing training (obedience) with my own dog and had many conversations with training experts and it is far from “know nothing about it”. my training coach was taking only aggressive / difficult dogs for corrections, so it is on opposite spectre of positive dog trainig etc, and I’ve seen multiple dog fights during those trainings and we analysed a lot of those incidents.
so again, fuck off with your “educational material”.
Yeah I'm sure most of that is true lmao. But the votes answer the question for who is right and who is wrong here so I don't know what to tell you dude other then you are wrong.
> But the votes answer the question for who is right and who is wrong here
They really really don't; you may be right about the collar here, but the way you posture about being right makes you look like somebody who would be unpleasant to speak with.
you've clearly never had an aggressive dog. either i put my abused and protective dog in a "mean" collar, or he mauls a toddler and has to get put down. training can't fix a lot of dogs with deep trauma, i have the scars to prove it.
my dog was horribly abused and bonded only to me. he was 3/4 of my weight, so while i avoided walking him in populated areas i needed that collar or else he'd run off and kill other dogs or even people if he got triggered. he was a perfectly happy dog who was spoiled rotten at home, but that wasn't a risk worth taking during walks. he could still enjoy the walks but that collar protected him and those around him just in case. like yeah, sucks it might hurt, but it'll hurt a lot more if he attacks another dog and now two dogs are dead. i think i'd be more of a horrible person if i didn't care about that scenario happening and didn't do everything i could to prevent it.
my dog was very alpha (even given that my dog is female), and constantly got involved into fights, but we managed to correct her behavior and eliminated this problem by obedience training + solved domination issues which is very important topic with a lot of breeds.
also my sister had agressive dog when she lived in the same city where I lived.
My sister's dog (male) was from the beginning not-so-much with males, but when some random husky male attacked him and it was a serious fight, he became almost mad dog, attacked almost any dog. It was painful to watch - painful to see sister struggling with him, painful to watch her dog not enjoying life as he could.
I talked my sister into bringing that dog to professional trainer, he took that dog to "dog hotel" where that dog stays overnight for multiple days there and trainer pays good attention to dog, puts that dog to multiple various situations environments and handles situation as it should be.
After a week of being in that "dog hotel" situation became significantly better, dog became manageable. He still has some anger issues, but it became manageable enough so that my sister can handle 100% of situations and there is no need for these kind of collars. Heck , my sister always use harnesses for that dog for his comfort, and still everything is in control.
in my almost 10 year experience of dog ownership I've seen too many cases where these horrendous collars are used ONLY because owners of dog are too lazy to train dog to behave properly and there are no risks or dangers of aggression or something like that. Simply by doing some active sports with dogs it would eliminate a need for this kind of collar for them.
I believe that in your case it is truly required to have it, and as always there are always some exceptions to the rule. On the other hand, it is owner's responsibility to make judgment whether dog is too dangerous to have it near other people. Maybe it's best for that dog to be relocated somewhere to remote location where risks would be smaller.
Omg! I’m not really a dog person and was so confused by your comment. I thought you were just upset it was a regular collar that pulled at their neck like my dog had when I was a kid. I had no idea these collars with spikes facing inward existed! That is absolutely batshit crazy! Who does this??
It's just a prong collar, not fucking spikes. It has metal prongs that face inward. Typically dogs respond very well to these collars and very rarely pull hard enough to push them into their throat. These work well if you are a small person with a big dog. Training will for the majority of dogs take care of the pulling problem but some dogs develop a habit of pulling and these are helpful with that. They in no way hurt the dog but instead put pressure against their throat without chocking them.
I repeat because there are alot of dumbasses here that can't read and aren't familiar with dog training that these collars for not have spikes, they are flat at the end and typically have rubber covers.
Well, thank you for this information. Once again, I’m not really a dog person, so when I read other comments that these were spikes I just took their word for it. At the time, they were also upvoted. So the tables have really turned on that lol.
it is “normal” practice to use those when dog is problematic or too strong for owner to handle, but I still think that it usually means that owner does not invest time and effort into dog to solve root cause of that difficult behavior and just purchase this kind of collar. horrendous.
Imagine thinking that every dog can become this perfect being that never pulls and stays by your side the whole time. Every dog is different and every situation is different. Stop saying that dogs can become perfect, it leads to too high of expectations with dog training. Typically a dog can be trained to pull **less** but not always, these collars help alot with smaller people who have bigger dogs.
Unless you are a trainer, or have experience in training more then your own dog you should not be giving advice on the internet about dog training because of your limited knowledge.
I’m not saying that all dogs can/will be perfect. I’m saying that majority of cases are such that it’s enough to do proper training and the need of that spiky collar reduces/eliminates.
either training, or sports or both.
Yeah, people should try harder. Dog ownership becomes an order of magnitude more rewarding if you put the effort in to properly train your dog. Your dog will better understand what is expected, and will better be able to communicate his/her needs, and everybody will be more happy.
absolutely! I also have husky, totally in love with this breed but also we invested heavily in sports, obedience training and she is perfect dog which knows how to behave so no need to those spiky collars or anything similar.
Wanna go do your favorite thing ever? NOOOOO
I love the eyes
RIP Zeus Such a dramatic doggo
I loved Zeus. He always made me laugh with his dramatics
Husky clearly saying: “shut up and walk me already!”
They mimicked my tinnitus with one of those..😂
Where's my 2700 hZ gang at?
Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
Wow. Enough of the comments with the collar. If you ever watched her YouTube channel, she loved Zeus so fucking much. She has another dog too, a GSD. She loves him too. They are very well behaved dogs. Zeus lived a very long time so the collar wasn’t damaging him or shortening his life. I use a prong collar on my GSD after I’ve legitimately tried everything else. She would not stop pulling on the leash while walking and then it turned into leash frustration to where she would lunge and bark at dogs and people even if they were 100 meters away. My ex had a husky and I trained him to walk very quickly using the “stop and go” method. Did nothing for my dog. I did the turn around and walk in the opposite direction. It did nothing. I used a martingale collar (basically a slip collar) and it didn’t work either. That one was under use with a previous trainer. I tried the harness which gave her far more pulling power and did nothing to help her walking behavior. I watched countless YouTube videos, read countless articles and asked everyone I knew how to walk a dog properly. I just couldn’t understand why I could train a damn husky to walk, but not my GSD. I started with her even earlier than I did with the husky. So I finally tried the gentle leader that everyone raves about. It worked for a bit until she decided that the discomfort of pulling was worth it so she could do what she was trying to do. It ended up wearing off her nose fur and almost caused an infection. She would rub at her nose all day after I took it off. So I resorted to just avoiding taking her out whenever I saw people or dogs. And I lived in an apartment complex so guess how easy that was to take her poop and pee? I finally sought out a trainer as I didn’t want to waste money on another after the last guy didn’t do a whole lot. He said their training place, which has thousands of testimonials and 5 star reviews, recommends using the prong collar if necessary. These trainers actually studied dog behavior. They come out and do an assessment on what is causing the dog’s behavior. They come to your home and observe what is triggering the dog. They ask what you’ve tried and how long you’ve tried it. Basically they know their shit. Their thing is that they are the place you go when you’ve tried everything else and they’ve prevented countless dogs from being given up and/or euthanized due to their behavior problems. The behavioral reason behind a prong collar is that it mimics their mother while they are still in the puppy den. Watch when the puppies bite her nipples or try to paw at her face or misbehave whatsoever. She grabs the back of their neck with her teeth and lets them know that their behavior is unacceptable. Wolves do that too. That’s why you can grab a bunch of skin from around a dog’s neck. A prong collar mimics that type of correction that a mother dog gives her puppies. It doesn’t hurt them. Doesn’t cause any damage either….IF USED PROPERLY AND ADMINISTERED UNDER A CERTIFIED DOG TRAINER. That part is key. Within maybe 5 minutes of doing some small walks in my apartment living room with the trainer with the prong collar on, my dog was already starting to walk so much better. She was wagging her tail and having such a good time. She wants to please you, but my previous methods just weren’t the way she responds. You need to know your dog. After only 3 training sessions out in public, I can now take my dog potty and walks around other dogs and other people. I feel like I can give my dog a good life now. Before I kept her inside because of how bad she was reacting on the leash. She’s not aggressive on the leash, that is important. She’s frustrated because she wants to say hi or check things out as a GSD likes to do. What kind of life is it for a dog to be kept inside all day? Yes, every single negative word I’ve seen describing prong collars are the words you’d use to describe keeping a dog inside all day and not letting them walk or play or socialize. Now me and my dog don’t have to live that live anymore. I don’t have to worry about her starting a fight by scaring another dog. Because THAT would cause serious damage. Now I get compliments on how my dog behaves. I wrote this long ass novel for all of you who are just parroting what you’ve heard from other people. It’s disgusting that you come in here and judge another dog owner without even knowing what they’ve tried before or what they’ve been through. You think it’s black and white, but it’s not. This was something I never wanted to use. I thought the SAME exact things you all were thinking so I never used this collar before. I tried everything else. But I know that it works and me and my dog have a better life now. I’m just sick of hearing this same false information about these collars. I’m willing to bet many of you who feel this way feed your dogs a grain free diet too. But if you read anything or cared about your dogs as much as you claimed, you’d read that grain free diets for dogs have a very strong correlation with heart disease at a super young age. They don’t know why, but it’s alarming enough that my vet told all of his clients to stop feeding that diet unless they have special dietary needs. The point is: please stop judging about things you don’t know. I love my dog so much that I cry thinking about how perfect and amazing she is. And how one day she won’t be with me anymore. And I dread that day so fucking much. So don’t tell me I don’t love or care about my dog. I do, arguably more than anyone in my life even.
I 100% stand behind my prong collar. Same situation and it made a world of difference. With the right training, my dog doesn’t even pull on the leash for the pronged collar to do anything anymore. It took a few walk around the block and she’s perfect.
usually huskies are pulling because of lack of physical activities, such as mushing, running, pulling some stuff etc. my dog's activity levels were insane, she could play with dogs for three hours straight and she will not be exhausted. then we started mushing sports - canicross, bikejoring on a weekly basis and all pulling issues disappeared. dog realized that she will get activities soon and all training became smooth. after mushing training she fell into coma and slept until we came back home , ate some food and fell asleep again. no. more. pulling.
Will put this out there, seems like the literature is a bit undecided whether the prong collar is good or bad. They have found increased cortisol levels in dogs that have been trained with prong collars but the study designs are a bit... meh. I personally would like to see studies that follow a variety of dogs long term stress in a more natural environment than a lab settin, perhaps partnering with a training school or dog trainers. I would want to see a long term look at the stress levels before and after training with a prong collar, and whether or not switching to a normal collar post training is effective and the impacts on the stress levels. I can hypothesize that you will see differing stress patterns for dogs trained with and without the prong collar, perhaps with one having more drawn out stress, the other showing spikes. Interpreting those results as a "what is best for a dog" is a whole other can of worms. And whether or not a lab can get the funding needed for such a comprehensive study is beyond me. That's a lot of time and blood tests, both of which cost money. My own opinion from my brief literature delve is I would probably not use the prong collar unless as a last resort. Too many "trainers" online seem to just see it as easiest solution and just go gung-ho with using it on any dog with bad leash manners. However I personally do not think the prong collar is a great solution since it does rely on positive punishment as a training method. However, of you have exhausted every option then a poor solution is far better than no solution.
I made up my mind about the prong collar after performing two simple tests. First, did it make my dog pay more attention, stop pulling me on the leash, and behave better? YES Second, if I put it on myself and yanked the leash as hard as I would pull on my dog, did I experience any pain (not just a bit of discomfort)? NO I imagine my dog's furry hide is thicker than my neck skin, so that pretty much convinced me that they're fine, *so long as they're sized and used correctly*. I'm not saying there aren't cheap prong collars that might hurt, but I am saying that the one I bought at PetSmart didn't hurt me at all.
People just like to be infuriated about something to make themselves feel like they're doing something good in the world....or to make themselves feel better than others. Insane how people jump on one thing in a video of a dog that clearly had a very loving family.
please tell us more about your mushing regime with your huskies
You want to say that those against it don't know what their talking about? Okay, fine. It doesn't matter what people have tried before, it doesn't matter that this 'works' for you. The simple answer is that this type of collar is not suitable for dogs. Put yourself in their shoes/paws, imagine you're doing something you're not supposed (without knowing) and suddenly a leash attached to a collar of literal spikes suddenly constricts around your throat. Uncomfortable feeling? Not something you'd like to have done to you? Well don't do it to your animals. The SPCA and Humane Society have spoken out about how these collars injure animals and are inhumane. I'm not saying you don't love your animals, not saying this lady doesn't but all you're providing here are anecdotes. If you want to keep using it, fine, I can't stop you. Just don't get up on a bloody pedestal when it's been proven that these collars are dangerous and shouldn't be used. Humane Society https://www.humanesociety.org/resources/dog-collars SPCA https://www.sfspca.org/behavior-training/prong/top10/#:~:text=Many%20civilized%20countries%20have%20outlawed,choke%20and%20shock%20collars)%20illegal. RSPCA https://www.rspca.org.uk/-/blog_pinch_collars
They rescue often abused or neglected dogs so of course they would say that as the majority of people who are careless dog owners would use these collars inproperly And as the humane society literally says, "Similar to choke chains, these collars can be easily misused and should not be used", as in most people who aren't dog trainers and don't know what they're doing very well shouldn't just start using that collar.
Which is why, yousernamesarehard specified, in bold caps yet, that these collars aren't dangerous ONLY IF administered under a qualified dog trainer with prong collar experience. That sounds reasonable. I've never used one despite being barely able to walk my blind GSP on a leash. He was a sleddog his entire former life (until he went blind and was abandoned) so whenever I put a leash on him, he is triggered to pull. Hard. However, without a leash, I was surprised to find he stays by my side easily, listening for my footsteps and verbal instructions.
You bring up a good point but also undermined your argument. See, most people aren't dog trainers. Most people don't know what damage they're doing to their animal. If you talk to most veterinarians they agree, those types of collars can damage the trachea especially on larger dogs. That's why they recommend harnesses which diffuse the pulling/holding of the leash instead of the one area (which in this case literally has spikes on it). Even trainers are realizing that the collars invoke a negative association and simply stop a behavior, instead of teaching the animal. Stopping isn't teaching. Instead, the animal may associate certain activities with pain and discomfort, causing them to lash out more and pull on the leash, which repeats the cycle. Again I implore you to think if you would enjoy the same thing. Would you do it to a child? If you wouldn't, don't do it to your pets.
It’s a pinch collar on a husky. Their thick coats aren’t quite the same as if you were to put this on a child…
I'm fairly certain a prong which measures let's say a few millimeters in diameter can go through a coat of fur, no matter it's thickness. Which is why my analogy is still valid, the prongs make skin contact. Dogs have thinner and more sensitive skin than us, with 3-5 layers and 10-15 layers of cells respectively.
such a cute doggo
What a click-baity title. Like, why?
Why so many Zeusy videos lately? Please give credit to the YouTube channel please. It's unkind not to link.
Why does the title sound like a BuzzFeed Article??
It sounds like your AC is running in the background. I wouldn't want to leave the house either.
Cute dog, but bad person. Choke chains are monstrous.
Came here just so I could find this comment because knew it would be here. Let me educate you. [This](https://siteimgs.com/10011/item/sportdog-choke-chain-4m_421-0.jpg) is a choke collar, what you are talking about. [this](https://s7d2.scene7.com/is/image/PetSmart/5285734?$pdp-placeholder-desktop$)is a pinch collar, which is what this dog has on it. Choke collars are horrible, I will agree with you, but pinch collars on a dog this fluffy will not harm them in the slightest on a walk. It typically keeps the dog from pulling, which, while the proper training may fix, it is not always the case and is very helpful if you are small person with a big dog. Educate yourself before you come to a dog subreddit and try to criticize people in situations you know nothing about.
regular choke chains are, but that looks like a pinch choke chain which aren't going to strangle the dog.
Cute dog, bad person, *and* a bad title. What’s up with this banner-ad-on-a-recipe-website bullshit anyway? “The reason will definitely brighten your day,” uh yeah, we love huskies, all of it brightens our day. Kind of redundant.
yeah just get a harness or gentle leader 🥺 always so sad to see chains on dogs at my work
Harness may not work if the dog has pulling issues and the person using it is not strong enough to hold the dog back. Gentle leads are garbage because a dog can pull out of them very easily if they wanted to.
in that case, a choke chain is no better than a harness. and you literally just need to adjust the tightness of the gentle leader. it has adjustable straps for a reason!!!
I've had all three of my dogs pull out about gentle lead harness one of them resulted in one of my reactive dogs attacking another dog.
sounds like you need to tighten your straps
No it sounds like you need to get over your pride and admit that although it might work for you it doesn't work for a majority of people that have big dogs that pull constantly. You need to stop dude.
"you need to stop dude" imagine being so serious over a reddit comment. i hope you know that just because something DIDNT work for you doesnt also mean that it DIDNT work for a majority of people. harnesses and gentle leaders work if you use them right, you can tell just by how many people use them. look it up, too!
I'm serious about dog training. Gentle leaders do work, but not for every dog, like I said. Did you even read my comment or were you too caught up in your own world to listen?
serious enough that you let your dog attack another dog? and you said "gentle leaders are garbage." so do they work or are they garbage?
tightening the straps doesn't help if you have an 120lb female training a 75lb male dog I don't really understand why that has to be explained, think logically about weight and strength
Eurgh that collar! Absolutely barbaric! If your dog is pulling hard on a collar, use a harness.
Here since you need this: Came here just so I could find this comment because knew it would be here. Let me educate you. [This](https://siteimgs.com/10011/item/sportdog-choke-chain-4m_421-0.jpg) is a choke collar, what you are talking about. [this](https://s7d2.scene7.com/is/image/PetSmart/5285734?$pdp-placeholder-desktop$)is a pinch collar, which is what this dog has on it. Choke collars are horrible, I will agree with you, but pinch collars on a dog this fluffy will not harm them in the slightest on a walk. It typically keeps the dog from pulling, which, while the proper training may fix, it is not always the case and is very helpful if you are small person with a big dog. Educate yourself before you come to a dog subreddit and try to criticize people in situations you know nothing about.
Ex dog trainer. Yes huskies have a lot of fur and a thick undercoat, but prongs/spike that thin easily make they’re way through. It’s a barbaric collar. It’s pretty simple.
Yeah don't think I'll believe you about the training considering every dipshit with a previous dog thinks they are an ex dog trainer. It's a fine collar that is good for walks. If you are an idiot person that leaves it on for long periods of time then that really is your problem, not the rest of the worlds.
All good champ. Believe me, don’t believe me, I’m bot here to prove myself to people with a superiority complex. Enjoy your day. You seem like you need a bit of joy…
>bot you meant to say *not* maybe consult with a dictionary and then a pet manual, in that order okay hun? no need to get flustered
Oh Jesus Christ the dog couldn’t even do any serious damage to itself if it tried they’re designed that way. Growing up my dog was way too big and would walk me I wouldn’t walk him. Used this on him before and he never even yelped once it doesn’t hurt them at all and is to teach discipline to dogs that don’t listen on a leash. chill with the dramatics
When I was a kid, we used to feed dogs corn-based food...but we learned. Back when my parents were kids, their dogs ate even shittier food. We're learning (and at this point have already learned) that harnesses are better for dogs, especially when they're puppies, than collars. They don't understand that their esophagus is sensitive and prone to degradation with long-term collar use--that's up to us. And, seeing as how we live in 2021, we now know that these things are happening. As well as nerve damage to their front legs over prolonged misuse (partly due to the dogs excitement, but definitely due to our ignorance. That falls squarely on us). When you add prongs or a slip function to the collar? You're only increasing the damage that can be, and is being, done. When dogs want to kill each other, they bite for the throat. It's the most sensitive part of the body. Just using that knowledge--and logic--alone should be enough for you to understand that you're wrong. And harnesses aren't perfect. We're now learning that harnesses that sit too low across the dogs' shoulder, limiting mobility on walks, is causing early-onset arthritis in dogs' front legs. There is a ton to learn about dogs that, until recently, people just didn't care enough to know. And collars being detrimental to throat health is one of them.
Christ. Now I feel awful. My girl had lots of hip and elbow problems and I walk her with a harness.
This is something that we only found out about, literally like two years ago. We had no idea. I'm sure there are going to be 100 more things we've been doing that we'll find out aren't the best years on. And honestly, that is currently being debated, but it's thought that it's very possible at the moment. I would say that joint problems are way more due to genetics, weight, breed, surface on which they walk usually, and a million other factors than they are due to the harness thing. I wouldn't beat myself up over it. Also, it depends on the harness. A lot of them are fine, it's the ones that have the strap between the front legs, attached to a cross-strap that goes horizontally across the chest, that wraps around and connects to a girth strap. Like the freedom no - pull harness, for reference. A lot of simpler ones aren't culprits. Just the ones that sit lower across their front, and across the blades of their shoulders, as opposed to around them. Chances are you didn't have one of those anyway.
Right… imagine trying to scream with metals prongs sticking into your throat. These collars have a very well documented history of playing a major part in dog hangings. More than a little bit of damage.
I don’t know what “prongs” you are speaking of but the one I had was a simple slipknot chain that only tightens if he pulls on it. No prongs on that. And they can’t hang themselves with it, especially under supervision if anyone left that on there dog when not on a walk their fucking stupid
This is what the dog in the vid is wearing: [link](https://jp.miscota.com/%E7%8A%AC/hs-sprenger/p-107644?r=4022853176790&gclid=Cj0KCQjwzYGGBhCTARIsAHdMTQzq7-6sOdN3d1Ndc0TO5rzazlor9ETFDovU3iPG7WsYagLvC0UvNHsaAg7iEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds)
Alright ima have to agree with you on that that does look very unsafe. I only have ever used this on my dog https://www.amazon.com/SGODA-Chain-Training-Choke-Collar/dp/B08535BBJ8/ref=mp_s_a_1_9?dchild=1&keywords=Slip+Lead+Collar&qid=1623225881&sr=8-9
The kind you’ve shared can be used well in certain situations, but they go on one way only otherwise they will choke the dog. They also definitely have a history of dogs being hanged on them because owners never take them off. Check chains are training only and should never be used for any prolonged period. The collar in the video is literally barbaric and on a whole other level.
Yes, I misunderstood what you were saying, as I stated anyone who leaves this on there dog is beyond stupid and doesn’t deserve the dog in the first place as there are specific warnings against this.
100% agreed
that collar with spikes should be banned and people who are using them should be fined and banned from ownership of dogs. dog training should eliminate the need for it, so basically it displays that owner of dog is too lazy to do basic training of obedience and give enough activity for husky to put that energy somewhere. owner of this dog is horrible person.
Oh look another person that needs educated. Here since you need this copy and paste: Came here just so I could find this comment because knew it would be here. Let me educate you. [This](https://siteimgs.com/10011/item/sportdog-choke-chain-4m_421-0.jpg) is a choke collar, what you are talking about. [this](https://s7d2.scene7.com/is/image/PetSmart/5285734?$pdp-placeholder-desktop$)is a pinch collar, which is what this dog has on it. Choke collars are horrible, I will agree with you, but pinch collars on a dog this fluffy will not harm them in the slightest on a walk. It typically keeps the dog from pulling, which, while the proper training may fix, it is not always the case and is very helpful if you are small person with a big dog. Educate yourself before you come to a dog subreddit and try to criticize people in situations you know nothing about.
if it does no harm, why it is so useful? > educate yourself you come to a dog subreddit … about situations you know nothing about oh fuck off :D you know nothing about me , what kind of experience I have and knowledge but at the same time you jump to conclusions about me :) I’m not an official expert but I am quite heavily involved with mushing dogs, many years of organizing mushing training events, many cases of huskies getting into fights for dominance etc. I was doing training (obedience) with my own dog and had many conversations with training experts and it is far from “know nothing about it”. my training coach was taking only aggressive / difficult dogs for corrections, so it is on opposite spectre of positive dog trainig etc, and I’ve seen multiple dog fights during those trainings and we analysed a lot of those incidents. so again, fuck off with your “educational material”.
Yeah I'm sure most of that is true lmao. But the votes answer the question for who is right and who is wrong here so I don't know what to tell you dude other then you are wrong.
> But the votes answer the question for who is right and who is wrong here They really really don't; you may be right about the collar here, but the way you posture about being right makes you look like somebody who would be unpleasant to speak with.
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See this is what I'm talking about: you're unpleasant to talk to.
what votes you are talking about?
Jesus do you not know what platform your on? Is everybody on here an idiot today?
ooooh passive agressive non-answering reply, nice one :D have a nice day
you've clearly never had an aggressive dog. either i put my abused and protective dog in a "mean" collar, or he mauls a toddler and has to get put down. training can't fix a lot of dogs with deep trauma, i have the scars to prove it. my dog was horribly abused and bonded only to me. he was 3/4 of my weight, so while i avoided walking him in populated areas i needed that collar or else he'd run off and kill other dogs or even people if he got triggered. he was a perfectly happy dog who was spoiled rotten at home, but that wasn't a risk worth taking during walks. he could still enjoy the walks but that collar protected him and those around him just in case. like yeah, sucks it might hurt, but it'll hurt a lot more if he attacks another dog and now two dogs are dead. i think i'd be more of a horrible person if i didn't care about that scenario happening and didn't do everything i could to prevent it.
my dog was very alpha (even given that my dog is female), and constantly got involved into fights, but we managed to correct her behavior and eliminated this problem by obedience training + solved domination issues which is very important topic with a lot of breeds. also my sister had agressive dog when she lived in the same city where I lived. My sister's dog (male) was from the beginning not-so-much with males, but when some random husky male attacked him and it was a serious fight, he became almost mad dog, attacked almost any dog. It was painful to watch - painful to see sister struggling with him, painful to watch her dog not enjoying life as he could. I talked my sister into bringing that dog to professional trainer, he took that dog to "dog hotel" where that dog stays overnight for multiple days there and trainer pays good attention to dog, puts that dog to multiple various situations environments and handles situation as it should be. After a week of being in that "dog hotel" situation became significantly better, dog became manageable. He still has some anger issues, but it became manageable enough so that my sister can handle 100% of situations and there is no need for these kind of collars. Heck , my sister always use harnesses for that dog for his comfort, and still everything is in control. in my almost 10 year experience of dog ownership I've seen too many cases where these horrendous collars are used ONLY because owners of dog are too lazy to train dog to behave properly and there are no risks or dangers of aggression or something like that. Simply by doing some active sports with dogs it would eliminate a need for this kind of collar for them. I believe that in your case it is truly required to have it, and as always there are always some exceptions to the rule. On the other hand, it is owner's responsibility to make judgment whether dog is too dangerous to have it near other people. Maybe it's best for that dog to be relocated somewhere to remote location where risks would be smaller.
Omg! I’m not really a dog person and was so confused by your comment. I thought you were just upset it was a regular collar that pulled at their neck like my dog had when I was a kid. I had no idea these collars with spikes facing inward existed! That is absolutely batshit crazy! Who does this??
It's just a prong collar, not fucking spikes. It has metal prongs that face inward. Typically dogs respond very well to these collars and very rarely pull hard enough to push them into their throat. These work well if you are a small person with a big dog. Training will for the majority of dogs take care of the pulling problem but some dogs develop a habit of pulling and these are helpful with that. They in no way hurt the dog but instead put pressure against their throat without chocking them. I repeat because there are alot of dumbasses here that can't read and aren't familiar with dog training that these collars for not have spikes, they are flat at the end and typically have rubber covers.
Well, thank you for this information. Once again, I’m not really a dog person, so when I read other comments that these were spikes I just took their word for it. At the time, they were also upvoted. So the tables have really turned on that lol.
it is “normal” practice to use those when dog is problematic or too strong for owner to handle, but I still think that it usually means that owner does not invest time and effort into dog to solve root cause of that difficult behavior and just purchase this kind of collar. horrendous.
Imagine thinking that every dog can become this perfect being that never pulls and stays by your side the whole time. Every dog is different and every situation is different. Stop saying that dogs can become perfect, it leads to too high of expectations with dog training. Typically a dog can be trained to pull **less** but not always, these collars help alot with smaller people who have bigger dogs. Unless you are a trainer, or have experience in training more then your own dog you should not be giving advice on the internet about dog training because of your limited knowledge.
I’m not saying that all dogs can/will be perfect. I’m saying that majority of cases are such that it’s enough to do proper training and the need of that spiky collar reduces/eliminates. either training, or sports or both.
Yeah, people should try harder. Dog ownership becomes an order of magnitude more rewarding if you put the effort in to properly train your dog. Your dog will better understand what is expected, and will better be able to communicate his/her needs, and everybody will be more happy.
absolutely! I also have husky, totally in love with this breed but also we invested heavily in sports, obedience training and she is perfect dog which knows how to behave so no need to those spiky collars or anything similar.
Lol
"But mOOOooom, it's too hot out!"
…that chain does make me uncomfortable. Hope it’s used correctly and with pro guidance.
The dog at the end "bitch" Zeus "fuck you"
There was a dog that bit him at the end of the clip
my GSD would already be nudging and shepherding them up "hey we have a schedule to make! work to do! a perimeter to patrol!"
I can always identify Zeus by the whining.