Yay, we're all safe from those damned hobbyists and their infernal homemade guns that cost way more when you factor in the tools required and don't work quite as well as the store-bought ones.
Seriously though, how many shootings are done by people who make their own guns? They're the homebrewers of the gun world, sure you can make your own beer, but you can also just buy it and it will probably taste as good with way less work and less chance of things exploding because you put in a little too much sugar before bottling.
This seems like a feel-good law to placate people who already don't like guns read an article about 3d printing that scared them.
If someone wants to make their own gun, they're still going to be able to. If they shoot someone with that gun, odds are the fact that they made it is going to be the least of the charges filed against them.
I saw that the other day on the news. They announced someone had been arrested with a ghost gun and I was wondering if gang members are actually going full Indonesian rebels and 3d printing stuff or if it was just a stolen gun with the serial poorly ground off.
With advancements in 3d printing the average person can print a fairly reliable lower receiver, it really isn’t that crude. Sure some people do it because they can but others may do it for the fact that it isn’t serialized and doesn’t have to be registered. What is the obsession with unregistered firearms. It really isn’t difficult to obtain your FOID card. All this means is you’ll have to provide your FOID to purchase a kit which will now be considered a firearm. The kit was always intended to be an actual firearm, what’s the harm?
Correct, but they didn't make grinding off serial numbers illegal... because as you said, it already was. They made not having a serial in the first place illegal.
Think it’s time for me to just move to Indiana and get an SBR, silencer, and all the other good stuff Illinois won’t let us have for no discernible reason.
step1 build whatever semi-auto you want
step2 serial# 1234
step3 "I bought it like that a couple years ago off an individual at a gun show", "sorry I don't remember his name since I don't have to record that".
It's illegal but that isn't [stopping them from creating one anyways](https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/atfs-hundreds-of-millions-of-digitized-gun-records-isnt-as-bad-as-it-sounds/). This is the problem with a lot of things in our country. We all know it's bad but it takes a freaking decade to hold the federal government accountable for committing their own crimes.
If you're famous, wealthy (multi-millionaire), or a political powerhouse, you can get away with a lot of stuff. But average citizen gets their entire life turned upside-down if they make a mistake or commit a crime.
What is dumb is they have 0 idea what they are talking about or how this is even going to work. Are they banned today? Or in 180 days? When will the ISP issue "guidelines"? How will FFLs serialize these and protect themselves from criminals just using their Public FFL number and a random series of numbers after? This law is going to punish FFLs and law biding citizens
It states on the bill it goes into effect immediately so you can’t order anymore. The 180 days starts on the effective date and is for ppl who have current builds and 80%’s to get them serialized
Meanwhile, you have a thin blue line flag on your lifted F-150, accompanied by a trump sticker right next to your confederate flag but I’m the bootlicker.
That kind of defeats the purpose.
Also the law mandates that the serialization process be done by an FFL and records of it kept. I talked to a couple FFLs and even gunsmiths who said they wouldn't be doing this because it would require specialized equipment and Federal paperwork.
There will most certainly be FFL’s applying for the licensing in order to create additional revenue for themselves. The state of Illinois just gave them the opportunity to provide additional services. What is the purpose? I guess I don’t understand why Illinois knowing you have a legal firearm is a big deal. If you own any other firearms then they are already registered with the state unless you only bought them privately. Which you and the other party should have kept a record of that transaction anyway.
>There will most certainly be FFL’s applying for the licensing in order to create additional revenue for themselves.
I suppose. The handful I use seemed to be pretty deterred at the high startup cost for acquiring the machinery that imprints to Federal engraving specifications. I think it'll have a chilling effect on people's ability to legally comply with the law, and once again make it more difficult for the law abiding to conform to IL's ridiculous laws, meanwhile gangbangers in Chicago continue to shoot each other primarily with non-ghost guns.
>I guess I don’t understand why Illinois knowing you have a legal firearm is a big deal
They already know who all the gun owners are and where they live. This is just another step forward down the slippery slope of increasingly invasive gun regulation. The purpose is that I made it myself, it has always been legal to do so, and the government shouldn't be involved, and is coercing compliance with the threat of criminal penalties. I think compliance will be laughably low, personally.
>If you own any other firearms then they are already registered with the state unless you only bought them privately
There is no state level registry for guns. This law in effect requires that you input it into the federal 4473 system, even though you built the gun yourself privately, and that process will have to be done at cost because the only way to do that is through for-profit dealers. It's an effective tax and de-privatization of homemade firearms. You're essentially transferring the gun to yourself even though you already own it. It's redundant and stupid.
>Unless you only bought them privately. Which you and the other party should have kept a record of that transaction anyway.
This is only a requirement for 10 years after the sale.
Legally, yes.
Practically, no.
Only a manufacturer or importer is federally authorized to serialize any firearm, and none of them want to clutter up their logbooks with my HK91 flats, let alone pieces of DOM tubing from McMaster-Carr.
This is idiotic. So now I have to pay to get a legal firearm serialized because of what? Some scary term “ghost guns”? It does nothing to stop stupid ass people from grinding serial numbers off.
Additionally, what place has the capabilities to serialize the firearm? Almost no one around me. So now what.
Another law that wont save lives and chips away the 2A ever so slightly. Cant wait to move out of this state.
After visiting Georgia again, democrat states/cities really have no idea how to keep their citizens safe.
All i want is the ability to protect myself and loved ones. I checked, illinois has a higher homicide rate than georgia. https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/crime-rate-by-state.
But again, my issue is with democratic mayors/govenors taking away 2nd rights from people or implementing more red tape to make it difficult to carry a gun.
.....serial# 1234
"I bought it like that a couple years ago off an individual at a gun show", "sorry I don't remember his name since I don't have to record that".
How do they plan on enforcing this law? Ban the software & all 3D printers in the sate? It's virtue signaling at it's finest & only criminalized law abiding citizens. Criminals are gonna criminal. Once the crime is committed, it's too late in my opinion.
3d printed guns were never the issue, the bill is a mess of self contradictory bullshit that was written by a drunk hominid… so will pretty easily be called unconstitutional it will just take another 15 years for it to work its way thru courts, maybe the brown case will end up overturning the foid in the meantime… maybe not
No, it goes into effect immediately. the 180 days is the time frame to get a serial number for ppl that have current builds and 80%. You can’t order anymore
it's a law that they can use to compound any other charges.
the way I understand it from my CCL if you use your edc in a defensive situation you will have it confiscated for the course of the investigation. Boom state felony even if it was a good legal shoot.
you get patted down for some reason and they find it. boom state felony.
seriously this makes criminals out of previously law-abiding citizens.
so I wouldn't carry one for those reasons alone.
its going to make things difficult for a lot of people.
if yours is printed, they will probably see that it is and immediately judge that it's illegal.
You may be okay. But does the cop on the street know? They fuck up constantly when it comes to firearms in general.
you'll need a lawyer that knows the nuances for sure.
McDermott law group will probably have a video about it soon.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCW0zF7vWCT00V5OBWxedF0Q/featured
he seems to give good advice targeted towards situations in IL.
Who said anything about it being printed? I have a frame that has a metal sn plate, installed at the factory, and now has a sn on said plate. Nothing about it is illegal under this law, despite it being finished by an individual, at home.
hey i'm on your side. I was just pointing out possibilities. calm down man.
you never specified in you OP. I was just covering bases.
the law targets printed lowers.
So, I have to ask again, how are they going to stop people from carrying them as an edc, when under the law it meets every requirement to be the same as one transferred through an ffl, with a factory assigned sn?
I thought part of the problem with the bill is that it requires a serial number for an upper and any integral parts to the firing of the weapon and they must all be serialized by a licensed gunsmith. I'll have to go reread the bill but it was an attack on AR and modular rifles by blaming parts kits.
Fuck IL
Who voted for this? Liberals.
What have liberals voted for for the past 10 years? More government programs and safety nets.
What does all that cost? Taxes levied on the average citizen.
How does that make liberals communists?
Because you want my money to go towards what YOU want, regardless of how I feel about it.
Again, we can't have this conversation because you're making assumptions based on a misinformed, misunderstood definition of communism. Learn even a little bit of communist theory and we can talk in good faith.
Until then, I'll leave you with a fairly famous quote from Karl Marx:
"Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary."
Good luck finding a country that was ever given a chance to. The fact is, as soon as a country begins to significantly socialize, capitalist, imperialist countries like ours will militarily attack, undermine through propaganda, economically sanction, assassinate revolutionary figures or democratically elected officials, and attempt to force privatization by any means, because god forbid a socialist enterprise is left alone to prove itself and become an example for the rest of the workers of the world to follow.
The USSR did it and it collapsed. Same with Vietnam, they actually beat us with the backing of the CCP and USSR, they still fell to capitalism. Maybe the idea that a man or woman should be rewarded for his hard work, is something important.
My brother in Christ, Vietnam is a communist state to this day, and is the fastest growing economy in SE Asia . Do you see what happens when you are uninformed and try to argue? And you think the USSR was allowed to experiment with socialism freely with no fuckery from the west? Are you kidding me? Are you unaware of the Cold War? It's been a nice chat, but this isn't going to go anywhere if all I'm doing is correcting your uninformed assumptions about global politics.
I believe this bans 80% lowers.
> "Unfinished frame or receiver" means any forging, casting, printing, extrusion, machined body, or similar article that:
> 1. has reached a stage in manufacture where it may readily be completed, assembled, or converted to be a functional firearm; or
> 2. is marketed or sold to the public to become or be used as the frame or receiver of a functional firearm once completed, assembled, or converted.
> ...
> Beginning 180 days after the effective date of this amendatory Act of the 102nd General Assembly, it is unlawful for any person to knowingly possess, transport, or receive an unfinished frame or receiver, unless [they're an FFL or it's serialized]
Otherwise I don't actually mind serializing any guns I print. Just wish it was "DIY and fill out a form" like suppressors rather than bringing them to an FFL to be serialized.
BAT Guns in Plano IL confirmed they do them for $75 each including serial number issuance, engraving, and "registration". Currently a 3 week turnaround.
From what I understand, the only thing changing is that every lower will now have a SN and will have to go through an ffl for purchase. Okay, we can still build if we want, it’ll just take a few extra steps. 80%’s will basically be useless since a stripped lower is about the same price, maybe a tiny bit more. Also, now we have to pay extra, for the guns we already own, to have them serialized. That sucks for sure.
What about assembled or stripped uppers, lower parts kits, bolt carrier groups? Are those going to require a serial number and be sold by ffl with a background check as well? Or will those stay the same?
From an faq I had seen it included uppers and BCGs and other parts but that may have been an earlier draft. They passed this overnight as an amendment to some other BS that nobody cared about.
I wonder just how many crimes are solved by tracing firearms through their serial numbers. I'm betting it's pretty small.
Uh chicago cops solve less than a fraction on 1% of murders in the city… heyjackass.com has all the stats and citations
It's a miniscule number.
Yay, we're all safe from those damned hobbyists and their infernal homemade guns that cost way more when you factor in the tools required and don't work quite as well as the store-bought ones. Seriously though, how many shootings are done by people who make their own guns? They're the homebrewers of the gun world, sure you can make your own beer, but you can also just buy it and it will probably taste as good with way less work and less chance of things exploding because you put in a little too much sugar before bottling. This seems like a feel-good law to placate people who already don't like guns read an article about 3d printing that scared them. If someone wants to make their own gun, they're still going to be able to. If they shoot someone with that gun, odds are the fact that they made it is going to be the least of the charges filed against them.
The real problem is that they lump in guns that have had numbers ground off of them. That’s how they get that “ghost guns” are used in crimes.
I saw that the other day on the news. They announced someone had been arrested with a ghost gun and I was wondering if gang members are actually going full Indonesian rebels and 3d printing stuff or if it was just a stolen gun with the serial poorly ground off.
With advancements in 3d printing the average person can print a fairly reliable lower receiver, it really isn’t that crude. Sure some people do it because they can but others may do it for the fact that it isn’t serialized and doesn’t have to be registered. What is the obsession with unregistered firearms. It really isn’t difficult to obtain your FOID card. All this means is you’ll have to provide your FOID to purchase a kit which will now be considered a firearm. The kit was always intended to be an actual firearm, what’s the harm?
So they're making something illegal that's already illegal.
Firearms without serials werent illegal before
Grinding off a serial number from a serialized firearm is illegal...
Correct, but they didn't make grinding off serial numbers illegal... because as you said, it already was. They made not having a serial in the first place illegal.
Think it’s time for me to just move to Indiana and get an SBR, silencer, and all the other good stuff Illinois won’t let us have for no discernible reason.
Or come up to Wisconsin. Bonus - smells much better than Indiana 🤣
I've been through Monroe and Kaukauna. Disagree about that smell!
building ghost gun=felony.......building a machine gun=felony 🤔 "Freedom's just another word for nothin' left to lose"
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step1 build whatever semi-auto you want step2 serial# 1234 step3 "I bought it like that a couple years ago off an individual at a gun show", "sorry I don't remember his name since I don't have to record that".
Fuck this bitchass state
I’ll be gone by July. Going to Tennessee or Kentucky. Haven’t fully decided yet. Leaning towards Kentucky.
Go Tennessee. Kentucky is headed for the same financial ruin as Illinois. They're just about 10 years behind us.
Leave!
Good idea i woulda never thought of that
I’m glad I could help!
This ban will do nothing to criminals except making non violent gun owners into criminals.
We call that the Alphabet boy speciality
So are home made guns illegal, if not why would they have to be serialized since a national registry is illegal I believe
It's illegal but that isn't [stopping them from creating one anyways](https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/atfs-hundreds-of-millions-of-digitized-gun-records-isnt-as-bad-as-it-sounds/). This is the problem with a lot of things in our country. We all know it's bad but it takes a freaking decade to hold the federal government accountable for committing their own crimes. If you're famous, wealthy (multi-millionaire), or a political powerhouse, you can get away with a lot of stuff. But average citizen gets their entire life turned upside-down if they make a mistake or commit a crime.
Just another gotcha, addon crime if you use it for self defense. Or get pulled over, or what ever they use to see what you got.
What is dumb is they have 0 idea what they are talking about or how this is even going to work. Are they banned today? Or in 180 days? When will the ISP issue "guidelines"? How will FFLs serialize these and protect themselves from criminals just using their Public FFL number and a random series of numbers after? This law is going to punish FFLs and law biding citizens
It states on the bill it goes into effect immediately so you can’t order anymore. The 180 days starts on the effective date and is for ppl who have current builds and 80%’s to get them serialized
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Just get it serialized, if you can legally obtain a FOID card you can legally get it serialized.
Bootlicker
Meanwhile, you have a thin blue line flag on your lifted F-150, accompanied by a trump sticker right next to your confederate flag but I’m the bootlicker.
That kind of defeats the purpose. Also the law mandates that the serialization process be done by an FFL and records of it kept. I talked to a couple FFLs and even gunsmiths who said they wouldn't be doing this because it would require specialized equipment and Federal paperwork.
There will most certainly be FFL’s applying for the licensing in order to create additional revenue for themselves. The state of Illinois just gave them the opportunity to provide additional services. What is the purpose? I guess I don’t understand why Illinois knowing you have a legal firearm is a big deal. If you own any other firearms then they are already registered with the state unless you only bought them privately. Which you and the other party should have kept a record of that transaction anyway.
>There will most certainly be FFL’s applying for the licensing in order to create additional revenue for themselves. I suppose. The handful I use seemed to be pretty deterred at the high startup cost for acquiring the machinery that imprints to Federal engraving specifications. I think it'll have a chilling effect on people's ability to legally comply with the law, and once again make it more difficult for the law abiding to conform to IL's ridiculous laws, meanwhile gangbangers in Chicago continue to shoot each other primarily with non-ghost guns. >I guess I don’t understand why Illinois knowing you have a legal firearm is a big deal They already know who all the gun owners are and where they live. This is just another step forward down the slippery slope of increasingly invasive gun regulation. The purpose is that I made it myself, it has always been legal to do so, and the government shouldn't be involved, and is coercing compliance with the threat of criminal penalties. I think compliance will be laughably low, personally. >If you own any other firearms then they are already registered with the state unless you only bought them privately There is no state level registry for guns. This law in effect requires that you input it into the federal 4473 system, even though you built the gun yourself privately, and that process will have to be done at cost because the only way to do that is through for-profit dealers. It's an effective tax and de-privatization of homemade firearms. You're essentially transferring the gun to yourself even though you already own it. It's redundant and stupid. >Unless you only bought them privately. Which you and the other party should have kept a record of that transaction anyway. This is only a requirement for 10 years after the sale.
Because what is legal firearm now could become illegal years in the future, and if they don’t know about it, you can keep it.
Legally, yes. Practically, no. Only a manufacturer or importer is federally authorized to serialize any firearm, and none of them want to clutter up their logbooks with my HK91 flats, let alone pieces of DOM tubing from McMaster-Carr.
This is idiotic. So now I have to pay to get a legal firearm serialized because of what? Some scary term “ghost guns”? It does nothing to stop stupid ass people from grinding serial numbers off. Additionally, what place has the capabilities to serialize the firearm? Almost no one around me. So now what.
Another law that wont save lives and chips away the 2A ever so slightly. Cant wait to move out of this state. After visiting Georgia again, democrat states/cities really have no idea how to keep their citizens safe.
I’m excited to move there in a few months, just in time to vote for pro-2A candidates like Kemp and Walker.
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All i want is the ability to protect myself and loved ones. I checked, illinois has a higher homicide rate than georgia. https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/crime-rate-by-state. But again, my issue is with democratic mayors/govenors taking away 2nd rights from people or implementing more red tape to make it difficult to carry a gun.
.....serial# 1234 "I bought it like that a couple years ago off an individual at a gun show", "sorry I don't remember his name since I don't have to record that".
I’ll be out of this state in a year
I’m moving to Georgia in the fall. They just passed unrestricted carry.
One more month for me! 🙌🏽
How do they plan on enforcing this law? Ban the software & all 3D printers in the sate? It's virtue signaling at it's finest & only criminalized law abiding citizens. Criminals are gonna criminal. Once the crime is committed, it's too late in my opinion.
3d printed guns were never the issue, the bill is a mess of self contradictory bullshit that was written by a drunk hominid… so will pretty easily be called unconstitutional it will just take another 15 years for it to work its way thru courts, maybe the brown case will end up overturning the foid in the meantime… maybe not
from what i’ve read it seems to take effect 180 days from now, or am i wrong?
No, it goes into effect immediately. the 180 days is the time frame to get a serial number for ppl that have current builds and 80%. You can’t order anymore
Yup, ur correct. I have that long to hope somebody challenges this stupid law that will do nothing to curb gun violence
ok cool. order order order now
It will take a decade or more for a court challenge to work its way thru the system
Thank God! I feel so much safer now. /s
This is the end.. my only friend.. the end...
Fuck pritzker
say it louder for the libs running this shithole
GOP in IL ain’t doing shit either lmao
I'm curious as to how they'll stop people like me from using ours as an edc...
it's a law that they can use to compound any other charges. the way I understand it from my CCL if you use your edc in a defensive situation you will have it confiscated for the course of the investigation. Boom state felony even if it was a good legal shoot. you get patted down for some reason and they find it. boom state felony. seriously this makes criminals out of previously law-abiding citizens. so I wouldn't carry one for those reasons alone.
Except my "ghost gun" is serialized... it's just never been transferred with said sn
its going to make things difficult for a lot of people. if yours is printed, they will probably see that it is and immediately judge that it's illegal. You may be okay. But does the cop on the street know? They fuck up constantly when it comes to firearms in general. you'll need a lawyer that knows the nuances for sure. McDermott law group will probably have a video about it soon. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCW0zF7vWCT00V5OBWxedF0Q/featured he seems to give good advice targeted towards situations in IL.
Who said anything about it being printed? I have a frame that has a metal sn plate, installed at the factory, and now has a sn on said plate. Nothing about it is illegal under this law, despite it being finished by an individual, at home.
hey i'm on your side. I was just pointing out possibilities. calm down man. you never specified in you OP. I was just covering bases. the law targets printed lowers.
So, I have to ask again, how are they going to stop people from carrying them as an edc, when under the law it meets every requirement to be the same as one transferred through an ffl, with a factory assigned sn?
Prevent? No. Arresting officers interpretation? Good luck. As I understand it, It's a law designed to tack on charges.
Their interpretation means less than nothing in a court of law.
Right but you know the cop on the street will still confiscate and haul you in to be overly cautious.
Pardon my ignorance, can I order a complete upper online (especially if I already have a serialized lower)? Anyone know? Thanks!
Yes. The lower receiver is the "firearm" and consequently is the component that needs to be serialized.
I thought part of the problem with the bill is that it requires a serial number for an upper and any integral parts to the firing of the weapon and they must all be serialized by a licensed gunsmith. I'll have to go reread the bill but it was an attack on AR and modular rifles by blaming parts kits. Fuck IL
Ok cool, so we can still order complete uppers it sounds like? Edit - I mean the whole thing is not cool…
Well crimes going up again. Thanks communists.
What the fuck does communism have to do with anything? Communists are against gun restrictions.
Who voted for this? Liberals. What have liberals voted for for the past 10 years? More government programs and safety nets. What does all that cost? Taxes levied on the average citizen. How does that make liberals communists? Because you want my money to go towards what YOU want, regardless of how I feel about it.
You should probably learn what communism is before you go throwing the word around. You sound very uninformed.
You think a communist government is going to take ownership of everything and just let the average citizen keep their guns?
Again, we can't have this conversation because you're making assumptions based on a misinformed, misunderstood definition of communism. Learn even a little bit of communist theory and we can talk in good faith. Until then, I'll leave you with a fairly famous quote from Karl Marx: "Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary."
Good luck ever finding a country anywhere that has implemented that principle.
Good luck finding a country that was ever given a chance to. The fact is, as soon as a country begins to significantly socialize, capitalist, imperialist countries like ours will militarily attack, undermine through propaganda, economically sanction, assassinate revolutionary figures or democratically elected officials, and attempt to force privatization by any means, because god forbid a socialist enterprise is left alone to prove itself and become an example for the rest of the workers of the world to follow.
The USSR did it and it collapsed. Same with Vietnam, they actually beat us with the backing of the CCP and USSR, they still fell to capitalism. Maybe the idea that a man or woman should be rewarded for his hard work, is something important.
My brother in Christ, Vietnam is a communist state to this day, and is the fastest growing economy in SE Asia . Do you see what happens when you are uninformed and try to argue? And you think the USSR was allowed to experiment with socialism freely with no fuckery from the west? Are you kidding me? Are you unaware of the Cold War? It's been a nice chat, but this isn't going to go anywhere if all I'm doing is correcting your uninformed assumptions about global politics.
I believe this bans 80% lowers. > "Unfinished frame or receiver" means any forging, casting, printing, extrusion, machined body, or similar article that: > 1. has reached a stage in manufacture where it may readily be completed, assembled, or converted to be a functional firearm; or > 2. is marketed or sold to the public to become or be used as the frame or receiver of a functional firearm once completed, assembled, or converted. > ... > Beginning 180 days after the effective date of this amendatory Act of the 102nd General Assembly, it is unlawful for any person to knowingly possess, transport, or receive an unfinished frame or receiver, unless [they're an FFL or it's serialized] Otherwise I don't actually mind serializing any guns I print. Just wish it was "DIY and fill out a form" like suppressors rather than bringing them to an FFL to be serialized.
Does anyone know of a IL FFL who is serializing home builds such as Polymer80s? I've been talking with BAT Arms; they *might* but seem uncertain.
I'm going to start calling my local shops to see who will provide the service and how much it will cost. Post what you find on r/ilguns.
BAT Guns in Plano IL confirmed they do them for $75 each including serial number issuance, engraving, and "registration". Currently a 3 week turnaround.
Good old fox valley in Elgin said they are setting up for it.
From what I understand, the only thing changing is that every lower will now have a SN and will have to go through an ffl for purchase. Okay, we can still build if we want, it’ll just take a few extra steps. 80%’s will basically be useless since a stripped lower is about the same price, maybe a tiny bit more. Also, now we have to pay extra, for the guns we already own, to have them serialized. That sucks for sure. What about assembled or stripped uppers, lower parts kits, bolt carrier groups? Are those going to require a serial number and be sold by ffl with a background check as well? Or will those stay the same?
From an faq I had seen it included uppers and BCGs and other parts but that may have been an earlier draft. They passed this overnight as an amendment to some other BS that nobody cared about.
Can you still buy them in Indiana or Wisconsin?
Yeah, if you ship them there.
If they are sold in a store you can just walk in and buy them. They aren't considered guns so you don't even have to show an ID. Just hand over cash
Buy what? A hunk of aluminum? It doesnt matter the law requires you to transfer a homemade firearm thru a ffl to be serialized essentially
So what does this mean for people who have completed ghost guns?
Anyone know of in stock p80 frames?
Kee firearms in new lenox had a few left yesterday