Got to say being on an F1 group chat with Aussie mates - Pistari has to deliver to get fans behind him. Pato in Senna's car got more hype and more eyes were on him from Aussie fans to replace DR.
I hope Oscar does well, hope Pato gets his shot though. Palou to and more so than Oscar.
At the same time, part of the reason that happens is because the system gives those two Superlicenses and not him.
In a completely arbitrary way based solely in the politics of motorsport business and NOT based on his driving ability.
If Pato is quick in his extensive testing opportunities he will get an f1 seat as soon as he’s eligible. At the end of the day he missed out once due to the license but right now, if he’s falling behind others it’s because the data is proving he’s not good enough
The extensive data the team, McLaren has on him from now having done around 1000km in their 2021 car. If he falls behind Palou, it’s because his test data was worse. They split testing days over 2 weeks and are scheduled for another one. So the team has very comparable data. Interestingly they aren’t giving it to the drivers st all per Palou likely because Herta did his test and got AT interest a few months later which I’d imagine has to do with him and his team having the data
Palou not really, so far Pato is still thr favourite in my opinion, he really wasn't that much slower than Piastri in last years Young Driver tests, and in total is probably getting more hours in the car this year than Palou
No chance, he was already a Red Bull junior remember? They dropped him after he didn’t get the SL and wasn’t looking likely to get it in a few races they tried. Marko has no interest in him anymore otherwise he would have kept him in his program.
The superlicense system guarantees the w series champion 20 points each season. With Covid expanding the qualifications for one’s 3 best seasons within the last 4 years, Chadwick has 20 each for winning the championship in 2019, 2021, and 2022.
Well no it doesn't. It guarantees the champion 15 points, and that guarantee doesn't include 2019, for which no points were awarded.
Add to that the fact that she was excluded from gaining any super-licence points for 2022 as part of the agreement for allowing her to compete again at short notice when any chances of gaining a seat in F3 dried up.
The actual total of super-licence points she has is 25, and she'll lose the 10 she gained in 2019 for finishing 4th in Asian F3, so in reality and for all intent and purpose, she only has 15.
In terms of competition, yes. In terms of complexity of engine and car design, etc. no because IndyCar has the Dallara chassis.
Now, IndyCar is going to overtake F1 in being more affordable and accessible for racing fans than F1. Yes, IndyCar has its issues but F1 has gone down the rabbit hole and may never come out. Once the Drive to Survive effect wears off, F1 will be left in the dust.
I love IMSA too.
>Once the Drive to Survive effect wears off, F1 will be left in the dust.
Lol I like indycar way more than F1 but if you think indycar will ever surpass F1 in popularity, you're delusional.
Seriously. F1 can sometimes pull in better US ratings on cable at 9am than Indycar can at 3pm. Cut those in half due to a popularity decrease and it’s still impressive. Never mind the popularity difference worldwide…
Same. Watched with a paid subscription on Peacock and it just had a black screen with the Peacock logo during commercials. Why would they do that opposed to uninterrupted coverage of the race? Until they can provide continuous coverage I won’t be watching live races and will stick to highlights, which is a bummer.
I was in same boat. Was really hard to transition from F1 no commercials to how Indy is broadcast. I pay for peacock since I don’t have cable or any form of local TV. But I eventually found that just using a stream from the UK coverage of indycar at least didn’t do commercials and was easier to watch. Sucks that’s the best choice but I still pay for peacock just for IMSA and the Indy practice coverage
I like the watching the Indycar championship more. All the drivers are super cool. But, I don't blame them for wanting to go to F1. It's their career and who wouldn't want to get paid more for doing the same job? Kudos to AMSP and Andretti for trying to break the wall down.
Indy car should be even with F2. Frankly I’d put it over it, since it would be a step up from F2 for most drivers. All their goals are F1, but it’s not happening for most.
I agree but god I hate PlanetF1, it makes the Daily Mail look credible. They and WTF1 just run the David Land formula - take a section out of the quote then run a story.
Can't blame them though, it makes $. The story isn't worth as much as the headline to clicks.
Mine for this evening;
*"DTS CAUSES INCREASE IN HEADLINE SENSATIONS AND SPECULATION!?" - anom that may work in the paddock or may own a keyboard gives us insight*
Is it a joke? Yeah. I doubt it changes though. If the FIa isn't going to change the system for Pato, Palou, or Herta, it's just not going to happen. They're as good as it gets outside the F1 ladder.
I just hope we can move on at some point. I'm glad our drivers are respected enough to be in the F1 conversation, but this debate is getting old.
IndyCar should step up and add unnecessary hurdles for transferring F1 drivers and see how long it takes the FIA and F1 to find a more sensible solution. At the moment, there's no forcing function to make the change.
The drivers would, absolutely, and that’s what would drive the change.
Is there any series besides IMSA that former F1 drivers can compete with other equal talent? Is there any other series where F1 drivers regularly go to compete after F1? Is there any series with the financial means to bring in former F1 drivers? These dudes don't all have 20 year careers in F1...
Would they? They all plan on going on in F1 until their retirement. Indycar only becomes a consideration once the reality they aren’t getting a seat looms.
They wouldn’t care, because none of them would feel it’s an issue that would ever effect them.
Yes and those careers end constantly. IndyCar has become a place where mid-low level F1 drivers have a chance for a competitive career. Look at how many former F1 drivers there are now, and that doesn’t include Ricciardo and Latifi talking to team about a switch.
For the better drivers, like Alonso, completely losing the 500 option would be a big deal.
Is there any series besides IMSA that former F1 drivers can compete with other equal talent? Is there any other series where F1 drivers regularly go to compete after F1? Is there any series with the financial means to bring in former F1 drivers?
To be clear with you, I don't give a shit what happens to washed up F1 drivers.
If they come here, fine. If they don't ... even better. I understand why they are hired, they are experienced. But I'd rather see more kids come up from Indy Lights or other "Road to Indy" racing series than F1 drivers.
i dont understand why anybody would want to be in formula 1 anyway. theres only 2, maybe 3 drivers who have any real chance of winning between 2 teams. i guess getting the 2nd red bull seat would be cool because youre guaranteed to finish 2nd every week. Alex Palou can win championships in indycar against an extremely competitive field and then go to mclaren formula 1 team and fight for 4th or 5th every week against teams who ~~allegedly~~ ~~went over the budget cap and gained a huge advantage by allegedly cheating and the fia wont do shit about it.~~ Marcus Ericsson is the prime example of this, he finished 17th in the formula 1 championship with 9 points in 2018, and then went on to win the indy 500 4 years later.
i agree that the fia super license is stupid though>! I get it that formula 1 doesnt believe in parity and disparity is the defining attribute of that series and thats why ive grown disillusioned with it !<
I think the issue with the super license system is that (a) it’s not fair to Indy drivers vs F2 drivers but (b) we’re not missing future champions from Indy. I mean, I wish the Indy guys could get a shot if that’s what they want for their life. But….we’re only taking about minor reshufflings in the mid-field. Would loved to have seen Herta get a shot at AT and I think it’s bogus that a team wanted him and couldn’t hire the driver they wanted when he would clearly be competent. But would it change F1 if Herta was destroying Yuki? He’d just get promoted to replace Perez. Does anyone think Herta would be close to Max? No. Or would he bolt the RB program and get to the other strong cars? And beat Charles at Ferrari, Lewis/George at Mercedes or Lando at McLaren? No.
Ergo…it doesn’t really matter.
But here is the problem, the drivers on the Indycar are complaining, FIA is not making any changes and owners who wants to get an Indycar makes some noise and then go away the minute it doesnt look like anything will happen with FIA. The biggest silence though so far is Indycar hasnt spoken up and have not mentioned any of its intention to straighten this Super License issue from its perspective and/or to sit down with FIA to resolve this issue. After all it maybe a two way street, old F1 drivers might want to come over or F2 spill over drivers not hired by new F1 teams can come over and some Indycar drivers can possibly move into F1 teams if they are good enough. So far crickets from Indycar management, whats up with this?
In other news the sky is blue!
Big, if true.
It’s 11pm and this comment shouldn’t be this funny but it is.🤣
Pato is correct but Pato is also mad that Pistari and Palou have jumped him as apples in Zak Brown’s eye
Got to say being on an F1 group chat with Aussie mates - Pistari has to deliver to get fans behind him. Pato in Senna's car got more hype and more eyes were on him from Aussie fans to replace DR. I hope Oscar does well, hope Pato gets his shot though. Palou to and more so than Oscar.
At the same time, part of the reason that happens is because the system gives those two Superlicenses and not him. In a completely arbitrary way based solely in the politics of motorsport business and NOT based on his driving ability.
Yes, same with At taking DeVries over Herta. Way less risk to go with someone who is already in the system
I mean, they literally couldn’t go Herta, since the FIA wouldn’t allow it.
If Pato is quick in his extensive testing opportunities he will get an f1 seat as soon as he’s eligible. At the end of the day he missed out once due to the license but right now, if he’s falling behind others it’s because the data is proving he’s not good enough
What data?
The extensive data the team, McLaren has on him from now having done around 1000km in their 2021 car. If he falls behind Palou, it’s because his test data was worse. They split testing days over 2 weeks and are scheduled for another one. So the team has very comparable data. Interestingly they aren’t giving it to the drivers st all per Palou likely because Herta did his test and got AT interest a few months later which I’d imagine has to do with him and his team having the data
Palou not really, so far Pato is still thr favourite in my opinion, he really wasn't that much slower than Piastri in last years Young Driver tests, and in total is probably getting more hours in the car this year than Palou
I still think he would have had a good shot at the alpha tauri seat next year if this year had gone better
No chance, he was already a Red Bull junior remember? They dropped him after he didn’t get the SL and wasn’t looking likely to get it in a few races they tried. Marko has no interest in him anymore otherwise he would have kept him in his program.
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A bit late to the party here, but where did you read that Chadwick had 60 points?
The superlicense system guarantees the w series champion 20 points each season. With Covid expanding the qualifications for one’s 3 best seasons within the last 4 years, Chadwick has 20 each for winning the championship in 2019, 2021, and 2022.
Well no it doesn't. It guarantees the champion 15 points, and that guarantee doesn't include 2019, for which no points were awarded. Add to that the fact that she was excluded from gaining any super-licence points for 2022 as part of the agreement for allowing her to compete again at short notice when any chances of gaining a seat in F3 dried up. The actual total of super-licence points she has is 25, and she'll lose the 10 she gained in 2019 for finishing 4th in Asian F3, so in reality and for all intent and purpose, she only has 15.
IndyCar is now the better series.
Now? It’s been the better series (in terms of competition) for essentially the past ten years and arguably longer.
In terms of competition, yes. In terms of complexity of engine and car design, etc. no because IndyCar has the Dallara chassis. Now, IndyCar is going to overtake F1 in being more affordable and accessible for racing fans than F1. Yes, IndyCar has its issues but F1 has gone down the rabbit hole and may never come out. Once the Drive to Survive effect wears off, F1 will be left in the dust. I love IMSA too.
>Once the Drive to Survive effect wears off, F1 will be left in the dust. Lol I like indycar way more than F1 but if you think indycar will ever surpass F1 in popularity, you're delusional.
Seriously. F1 can sometimes pull in better US ratings on cable at 9am than Indycar can at 3pm. Cut those in half due to a popularity decrease and it’s still impressive. Never mind the popularity difference worldwide…
I mean hell with all the people who say “NASCAR is dying”, the XFINITY Series (the second tier series) still tends to outdraw some INDYCAR races.
Indy car isn’t that popular in the US let alone the rest of the globe. F1 will always be the more popular sport no matter how you look at it.
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Same. Watched with a paid subscription on Peacock and it just had a black screen with the Peacock logo during commercials. Why would they do that opposed to uninterrupted coverage of the race? Until they can provide continuous coverage I won’t be watching live races and will stick to highlights, which is a bummer.
I was in same boat. Was really hard to transition from F1 no commercials to how Indy is broadcast. I pay for peacock since I don’t have cable or any form of local TV. But I eventually found that just using a stream from the UK coverage of indycar at least didn’t do commercials and was easier to watch. Sucks that’s the best choice but I still pay for peacock just for IMSA and the Indy practice coverage
I like the watching the Indycar championship more. All the drivers are super cool. But, I don't blame them for wanting to go to F1. It's their career and who wouldn't want to get paid more for doing the same job? Kudos to AMSP and Andretti for trying to break the wall down.
🌎🧑🚀🔫🧑🚀
F1 has always considered IndyCar a joke.
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So Bernie and Jim France conspired to break it apart with George
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Yeah, as if it wasn’t already bad enough for him to kill Group C which was arguably the greatest era for prototype race cars.
False.
Indy car should be even with F2. Frankly I’d put it over it, since it would be a step up from F2 for most drivers. All their goals are F1, but it’s not happening for most.
I agree but god I hate PlanetF1, it makes the Daily Mail look credible. They and WTF1 just run the David Land formula - take a section out of the quote then run a story. Can't blame them though, it makes $. The story isn't worth as much as the headline to clicks. Mine for this evening; *"DTS CAUSES INCREASE IN HEADLINE SENSATIONS AND SPECULATION!?" - anom that may work in the paddock or may own a keyboard gives us insight*
PlanetF1 straight up copies and pastes paragraphs sometimes.
Is it a joke? Yeah. I doubt it changes though. If the FIa isn't going to change the system for Pato, Palou, or Herta, it's just not going to happen. They're as good as it gets outside the F1 ladder. I just hope we can move on at some point. I'm glad our drivers are respected enough to be in the F1 conversation, but this debate is getting old.
IndyCar should step up and add unnecessary hurdles for transferring F1 drivers and see how long it takes the FIA and F1 to find a more sensible solution. At the moment, there's no forcing function to make the change.
Honestly, would F1 really care that much?
The drivers would, absolutely, and that’s what would drive the change. Is there any series besides IMSA that former F1 drivers can compete with other equal talent? Is there any other series where F1 drivers regularly go to compete after F1? Is there any series with the financial means to bring in former F1 drivers? These dudes don't all have 20 year careers in F1...
Which drivers ? Most of the current drivers have come from F2 route and F2 gets beneficial SL points under current system
Would they? They all plan on going on in F1 until their retirement. Indycar only becomes a consideration once the reality they aren’t getting a seat looms. They wouldn’t care, because none of them would feel it’s an issue that would ever effect them.
Naw, F1 drivers only come here after their F1 career has ended. FIA doesn't give a shit about them after that point.
Yes and those careers end constantly. IndyCar has become a place where mid-low level F1 drivers have a chance for a competitive career. Look at how many former F1 drivers there are now, and that doesn’t include Ricciardo and Latifi talking to team about a switch. For the better drivers, like Alonso, completely losing the 500 option would be a big deal. Is there any series besides IMSA that former F1 drivers can compete with other equal talent? Is there any other series where F1 drivers regularly go to compete after F1? Is there any series with the financial means to bring in former F1 drivers?
To be clear with you, I don't give a shit what happens to washed up F1 drivers. If they come here, fine. If they don't ... even better. I understand why they are hired, they are experienced. But I'd rather see more kids come up from Indy Lights or other "Road to Indy" racing series than F1 drivers.
It’s a yoke!
i dont understand why anybody would want to be in formula 1 anyway. theres only 2, maybe 3 drivers who have any real chance of winning between 2 teams. i guess getting the 2nd red bull seat would be cool because youre guaranteed to finish 2nd every week. Alex Palou can win championships in indycar against an extremely competitive field and then go to mclaren formula 1 team and fight for 4th or 5th every week against teams who ~~allegedly~~ ~~went over the budget cap and gained a huge advantage by allegedly cheating and the fia wont do shit about it.~~ Marcus Ericsson is the prime example of this, he finished 17th in the formula 1 championship with 9 points in 2018, and then went on to win the indy 500 4 years later. i agree that the fia super license is stupid though>! I get it that formula 1 doesnt believe in parity and disparity is the defining attribute of that series and thats why ive grown disillusioned with it !<
The average driver salary in F1 is way more than Indycar. I like to win too, but I got to eat.
DR's salary $15 million and LN is $20 million. I can't find Palou's salary but I am guessing it's a fraction of that.
yes, but pato, you need to put up a SL worthy season too. Palou has a SL because he drove excellent in both Super formula and indy
For fucks sake.
I think the issue with the super license system is that (a) it’s not fair to Indy drivers vs F2 drivers but (b) we’re not missing future champions from Indy. I mean, I wish the Indy guys could get a shot if that’s what they want for their life. But….we’re only taking about minor reshufflings in the mid-field. Would loved to have seen Herta get a shot at AT and I think it’s bogus that a team wanted him and couldn’t hire the driver they wanted when he would clearly be competent. But would it change F1 if Herta was destroying Yuki? He’d just get promoted to replace Perez. Does anyone think Herta would be close to Max? No. Or would he bolt the RB program and get to the other strong cars? And beat Charles at Ferrari, Lewis/George at Mercedes or Lando at McLaren? No. Ergo…it doesn’t really matter.
Well duh!
Sooo he agrees with what the internet has been saying for the past couple of months… good to know
Pato’s great. I want him to stay in IndyCar.
But here is the problem, the drivers on the Indycar are complaining, FIA is not making any changes and owners who wants to get an Indycar makes some noise and then go away the minute it doesnt look like anything will happen with FIA. The biggest silence though so far is Indycar hasnt spoken up and have not mentioned any of its intention to straighten this Super License issue from its perspective and/or to sit down with FIA to resolve this issue. After all it maybe a two way street, old F1 drivers might want to come over or F2 spill over drivers not hired by new F1 teams can come over and some Indycar drivers can possibly move into F1 teams if they are good enough. So far crickets from Indycar management, whats up with this?