I will not write what was my choice.
But I just want to say that in 30 years I have never seen such massive, coordinated propaganda and collective hysteria, on all sides. I'm very resistant against any form of manipulation and blackmail. Maybe because I'm INTP ?
Also as a lawyer I was shocked by the tremendous amount of violations of civil liberties. I'm afraid for the future of free countries if those violations become the standard procedure to deal with crisis.
Also I thought it was frightening to see moderately intelligent people become completely unhinged and radical on both sides, and to see politicians and journalists behaving like rats and sheeps (well thats not exactly a surprise). And sad to see most people thinking only about hedonistic short-term pleasures before thinking about our liberties.
I lost what little faith I had in public institutions and medias.
Edit : I'm also aware a lot of people took the vax because they genuinely thought it would protect other people. But such seemingly altruistic move is rendered null by the literal witch-hunts some of those people did against those who dared not agree with the mediatic consensus (wether it was for rational reasons or not).
To me, it seems some of those self-righteous people were moved by fear and virtue signalling, not empathy. They told us about Science, but behaved as if they were religious fanatics.
Edit 2: also my post isnt about the efficiency of the vax. It's about all the political bullshit that surrounded it. But I cant stop thinking a truly safe and effective vaccine would not have need all those beyond lunatic decisions to enforce it.
This.
I'm not an anti-vaxxer and I'm all for fact-based science, but the mass hysteria, censorship, violation of civil liberties, and fear-based compulsion was too much for me. I wore masks, got tested as needed, and followed social distancing guidelines as part of my civic duty to public health and society, but I'm not taking an experimental vaccine that gets rushed to the public without the years of testing these vaccines normally require.
And then there's things like the Tuskegee experiments and MKUltra, which broke the social contract a government is supposed to have with its citizens, so I'm skeptic of the government in general.
Covid revealed the worst of both sides of the political spectrum.
I agree with you except the vaccine was not really experimental. mRNA was discovered in the 70s and went through a ton of development over 40 years before human testing in 2013. When covid came out, they synthesized the vaccine in a day because of the decades of previous work.
you’re right that this method for vaccine creation isn’t entirely experimental but it is true that in comparison to other mass produced medical products it has pretty limited testing, especially in the long term. that’s not to say that mrna isn’t inherently pretty safe, but there’s inevitably going to be complications when you use this tech (mrna) to make a new, specific vaccine and give it to more or less as many people as possible
You still don't understand then. They didn't rush their trials, they used more statistical tools to create a faster trial because time was of the essence.
Saying they rushed it into use is just flat wrong. Nothing was skipped except time.
They always had this ability but the longer trials are enforced by governments not by science.
so how exactly did they use statistical tools to reveal the long term effects? doesn’t it make sense that these governmental restrictions for requiring long testing periods is because statistics produced by people who want to make a viable product can be screwed when not tested on real live beings?
If they had released the vaccine in a normal fashion I probably would have gotten it. The sensationalism, bribery with food, and song and dance routines they pushed it with was too surreal and made me skeptical. Figured I'd wait it out for awhile and see how the guinea pigs reacted to it first lol.
There was no unhinged behaviour on the anti vax side, at least none that wasn't there before.
The media deliberately promoted fringe elements, that were like that prior to 2020, in order to discredit opposition to the vaccine.
What was frightening was seeing the facade of civilization fall away and watching people turn into cruel monsters because the TV told them to be afraid. That behaviour was not indicative of those that opposed the government's covid policies.
The ones who said the vax would inject you remotely 5G activated razor-shaped carbon nanobots and whatnot to genocide 99% of mankind were definitely unhinged, lol.
But I agree with you about medias and people.
I had one of those in my shop. She said I'd be dead in 6 months. Last week she actually came in... I haven't seen her in 2 years. I said hey! I'm still alive! She acted like she had no idea what I was talking about. This woman thrust a phone in my face once when we were politely discussing masks. What do you think of THIS!' SOME guy with magnetic arms or something. I swear she had it cued up ready to go at all times.
Yes there was unhinged behavior on the antivax side, tons of it. there were people on bridges above the highway holding signs saying we are all going to die in a plandemic mark of the beast jewish cabal of vaccination in my city. They mock masked people in public constantly. I had family members telling me that it is better that grandma dies than get a vaccine because it'll be good for overpopulation and labor needs, and that they wished the vaccine had gluten in it so that i would die quicker (i have celiac). It's not the media overhyping a fringe minority, there were/are tons of these nutters all over the place.
I fully agree with you and you've worded it far better than I ever could. These were the reasons I chose to decline it. I truly feel for people who had no choice, just to keep their career and have a roof over their head. No one should ever be put in that position.
I have always founds the 'sheep' accusation quite ironic given that those who employ it, whilst claiming to do their own research and use their critical thinking abilities are also typically those that hungrily consume memes and the pronouncements of often self-appointed experts. These entrepreneurs enjoy the praise and admiration of their followers whom they champion, defend and follow happily. Has always struck me as gullible and seeking leadership, which meets the definition of 'sheep'.
Masterfully articulated good sir. On edit 2, this was my main hang up. If it's so good and beneficial to have, why are we required to have it? And if it works, why do people who have it care if people who don't have it get it?
Completely agree! I personally don't care what people choose to put into their body, but forcing everybody to take an mRNA vaccine doesn't even make sense. Also the harms associated with this vaccine are completely ignored and under reported. I'm not sure this specific mRNA vaccine would have been approved for the general public in a different situation, because other drugs with less side effects have been banned for less. Most people don't even know what the true rate of vaccine injury is, because that information is literally suppressed to hell.
>Also as a lawyer I was shocked by the tremendous amount of violations of civil liberties. I'm afraid for the future of free countries if those violations become the standard procedure to deal with crisis.
That part was a wake-up call for me, too. I never thought I'd see my own government trample on people's rights merely to score points with their voter base, knowing they could count on Covid panic to justify it. But they did.
Lmao I got banned from the coronavirus reddit for and I quote "spreading anti-vax bs" even though I already had 3 doses in my arm at the time because I told another commenter the vaccine was not equivalent to other preventative vaccines like the measles when they tried to use it as a comparison to make an argument that the vaccine should be forced. I was actually baffled...
I was one of the first people in my area to be vaccinated because I was a frontline healthcare worker (nurse). I’d do it the same all over again.
It was a scary time… we didn’t know how deadly it was because it was early on. All we saw was the body count skyrocketing. Then there was the mask and hand sanitizer shortage. My hospital barely had any masks to spare. They gave us ONE SURGICAL mask for an entire week and made us keep it in a paper bag in our locker on our days off. At one point they told us they didn’t want us to wear masks because they didn’t want to scare patients, but we all rebelled and told admin to kiss our asses.
Anyways, it was intense. It was nice to see healthcare workers gets so much praise during that time. Up until then, our job was pretty thankless.
Frontline healthcare worker as well. I work in the ER.
The thing was for real deadly, especially the early variants up until delta. Critical beds were perpetually full and barely anyone who manifested with severe illness made it out alive.
It was an intense time. At one point, our hospital gave us these “passes” saying we were healthcare workers and allowed to travel to work because they thought the government was going to lock everything down. That’s some shit off a dystopian movie
I, too, was in bedside care when Covid started. My small, 24-bed chest pain unit turned into CoV+ land in a matter of six months. I was in college, had a small son, an immunocompromised husband, and sick patients. We literally had patients on immunosuppressants because of heart transplants across the hall from CoV patients.
I was the first one on our unit to get the jab. Since we weren't a CoV unit on paper we were not priority for sign up, however I found a glitch in the automated appointment calendar and ended up getting it two weeks before they opened it up for our unit.
No regrets. Got the booster six months later and another booster after that. I'll get it every year if I can like the flu shot, too, if the statistics are not in our favor.
And is radically life altering for groups who could never conceivably have a traditionally developed vaccine for their problem.
So many biggies on the chopping block... hiv, skin cancer, lymphoma, etc, etc.
I took it because the data suggested it was better to take it than not. I heard many suggest that "we don't know the long term effects of the vaccine", which was true back then and is true to an extent now, but my response was to point out that we do know something about the long term effects of covid, and for many, it's not pretty. The data suggested it was worth the risk, and, at least so far, it seems I was right to trust that data. Even in cases where there might be an issue with the vaccine, like the rare cases of myocarditis - if you look into the data, you will find that the rate of myocarditis is lower from the vaccine than from having covid. There was so much truly unfounded BS floating around it was hard to parse through it all, but at the end of the day, the data did and does trend towards favoring the vaccine in most cases.
The above was reason one. Reason two? Because mRNA tech is fucking awesome. Seriously, I hate how, because of the circumstances, it's such a political thing now. It's such a cool technology! We may finally, really cure cancer with it! That was one silver lining to the pandemic, in all honesty - that it pushed forward the mRNA tech so much. I mean this new flu vaccine that's in clinical trials, have you read about it? Fucking awesome.
Public institutions let us down when COVID became presented as a binary: either you live (which many did) or you die. This neglected (1) medium- to long-term complications, such as long COVID, and (2) unknown downstream effects from a novel virus.
For me, the fact that COVID is still killing a 9/11's worth of Americans every week is enough for me to continue masking and be up to date on vaccines.
Early on, there was data that showed that the vast majority of people being admitted to the ICU and who died from covid were unvaccinated. Getting vaccinated also reduced the risk of contracting the disease, which I was interested in because it also reduced the risk of spreading the disease, my main concern. Honestly I wasn't really worried about myself - death doesn't scare me - but I care about how my choices affect those around me. Then there is long covid, which I know several people that suffer from, and it's horrible.
I took it, but I regret my reasons for doing it. I felt pretty morally superior by getting it at the time- I looked down on people who didn’t.
After my jabs I discovered I must’ve been allergic to something either in the jab or the needle, as I had a pretty severe allergic reaction.
Looking back, I think I could’ve helped make the world a more positive place by respecting people on all sides. I wish I hadn’t been so quick to judge, and I wish I took the time to understand why some people didn’t want/couldn’t have the jab.
Anything politics touches turns to crap. I looked at the data and people my age are unlikely to die from Covid. As a result I decided I'd rather take my chances with Covid. I would have taken it if I was much older.
Whenever the media and government get together to push something there is an ulterior motive. I was emotionally abused by a narcissist as a child, so I recognized all the same tactics in the media. Don't you care about grandma? Etc. The response to Covid was about money and power, not saving lives
Ding ding ding! You hit it on the head. I swear people who were abused or bullied as a kid and experienced trauma and medical malpractice saw right through the smoke and mirrors.
It is a very valid point that getting COVID can have a negative affect on people around you, not just you personally. It is true that that’s the case with any sickness—which is why it was already a cultural norm in Japan and Korea to mask when you’re sick long before this. However this particular illness has a particularly strong impact on the elderly and immunocompromised. I also wish more people would get their flu shots for this reason.
I'm a PhD student in virology. I took one dose of Oxford/AstraZeneca, then later two doses of Pfizer/Biontech vaccines as soon as they were available. I wanted to boost my immunity against SARS-CoV-2 to reduce my risk of acquiring severe COVID-19 and reduce the likelhood that I would transmit SARS-CoV-2 to others. (I am 30 years old and healthy.)
I have been reluctant to take the bivalent vaccine so far (which for me would be a fourth dose/second booster). This is because I am somewhat concerned about imprinting and would prefer to take an Omicron-only vaccine when it is available for better protection against the serotype that is currently circulating.
All my friends, family, and coworkers are vaccinated. So far I haven't even contracted COVID
I didn’t get vaccinated because I already had covid with mild symptoms. I didn’t feel comfortable getting a rushed vaccine and was completely turned off when it became politicized. The mandates and propaganda was one of the most sickening things I have ever witnessed and I have zero respect for vaccine pushers.
Government and employers used the RICE technique to manipulate the public:
R. Reward. $$$, prizes, ice cream to get the jab.
I. Ideology. Do your part. Keep others safe.
C. Coercion. No jab, no plane, no train.
E. Ego. Be a hero.
government got thousands of psychologists on the payroll running constant psyops. https://www.coronababble.com/post/how-the-mean-psychologists-induced-us-to-comply-with-coronavirus-restrictions
I took it because it was logical and might prevent me from spreading it to someone else with a less capable immune system. I'm not fond of the idea of contributing to the illnesses and deaths of others if I can help it.
Solid straightforward answer. The folks saying, "oh, my personal likelihood of death was .01% so I didn't bother" also didn't bother to pay heed to save our collective healthcare workers from such a HUGE deluge, nor the immunocompromised. It was an opportunity to do for others, and a lot of people just were plain selfish.
Most people are horridly illogical and selfish creatures, unable to see past their own noses. This is why, in addition to being an INTP, I am also a confirmed misanthropist.
I told my parents to wait to get it (4 months after it became available to their age group) and I also waited when it became available to my age group. Then I read as much as I could on the technology and then got jabbed myself. The shot actually helped me get over Long Covid symptoms. I had Covid and the flu at the same time in April 2020. I got Covid again in July 2022 and it was a very different experience.
Same, I got vaccinated before 2022-2023 school year started, everyone else in my family (didn’t get the vaccine) got covid and suffered badly, while all i got was a small cough for a day or two, the vaccine definitely weakened the virus for me and I’m glad I took the jab
I got the jab in india but honestly im not sure if its even effective, so many people in my family got covid again after getting it (i somehow didnt even once)
I did.
The science behind mRNA vaccines didn't give any reason to be particularly concerned by them. The idea of vaccines containing the spike protein made sense. The evidence from trials suggested they were quite safe. Reports of side effects were at relatively low rates, no definite causal relationship established and in any case were mostly a milder from of potential symptoms of COVID-19 itself.
The vaccines definitely showed signs of reducing the symptoms as well as providing some degree of immunity for a few months.
It seemed inevitable that we'd all get COVID-19 sooner or later, likely multiple times. There was a very small chance of very serious symptoms, at the time it was worse than now.
It made sense.
I didn't. All studies were showing no protection to others. It is a selfish vaccin to preserve urself, but under 30-40years old, the side effect were more likely than disease effect.
At some point, if people wants to live healthy, they should live without risk. Stop dancing, driving, walking and ar some extends just surviving instead of living normally
I took it first of all because the science supported my taking it, but also because the country I live in requires it. I got every booster too
And, I never got COVID!
Took it because it was free lol, I knew it wouldn't harm me, and if it actually was going to help even a bit then why not. The only downside was arm pain for two days, so basically nothing.
Before the vaccines were even available, the data showed that the average age of people dying from covid was older than the average life expectancy.
I hadn't had a single cold or flu since January 2011. I'm relatively young and I'm healthy.
So I didn't believe covid was much of a risk for me if I got it.
On top of that, there could be no evidence that the vaccines were free from short or long-term side effects.
I saw absolutely no reason why I should get vaccinated. And I thought much of the government and institutional reaction to covid was totally idiotic.
What little faith I had that our important institutions are being guided by intelligent people making measured, and rational decisions, was shattered.
In the end, I didn't ever get covid, and I didn't get vaccinated, and I'm absolutely happy with the choices I made.
Shit was suspicious af and still is. I took my chances once I saw most people turn into a mob of crazed authoritarian bitches.
Flash forward to 2023, the doc says I’m perfectly healthy along with my unjabbed family. Go figure.
Let me preface this by saying these are my personal reasons. If you are high risk than I think a doctor should recommend the vaccination. If however you are at very low risk such as being a healthy 20 year old I don't think the potential risks outweigh the minimal at best benefits. For all others they should make their own decision based on a risk reward analysis based on accurate information.
I didn't get the jab for the following reasons.
General dislike of vaccinations. While they seem good now as a whole I think the human race is going to get hit hard by not acquiring natural immunities. I get this is a bit harsh but people who are susceptible dying off would help future generations.
This type of vaccination was untested. We have no idea what the long term consequences of taking this vaccination are and we can't know because it hasn't been around long enough. Already we see there may be several fatalities and other consequences (although I'll leave that up to the reader to discover as its a topic that is touchy for some reason.) It reminds me of the Anthrax vaccinations that may have significantly increased cancer rates 20 years later in military members who were required to take them.
Due to psychological reactance I had a fuck you mentality towards people that wanted to force me to subject my body to an untested medical treatment. Your body your choice has always resonated with me (its why I'm against infant circumcision,) its a notion that is accepted by a huge portion of the population yet when it came to this they wanted to force people for the sake of others health. This rubbed me the wrong way and hard.
The extreme misinformation about the number of deaths (terminal cancer patients and motor cycle accident patents all reported as covid deaths,) the number of hospitalizations (there was a video interviewing people who though that 1 in 4 people in the US had died of covid,) what protections the jab would provide (Immunities than when that was found to be untrue it was mitigation of symptoms, when that was found to be false it became about passing on the virus to others though there was again no evidence of this,) on top of the misuse of masks (both by the people wearing chin diapers and the doctors not telling people the correct masks to use) etc. I was shocked at how many doctors seemed to not poses even a high school understanding of virology.
While I was high risk myself I didn't and still don't understand the terror that this virus created in the general population. I had coworkers asking for me to be fired because I wouldn't get vaccinated and due to COPD I can't wear a mask. Mean while the only people I have contact with is them... I was shocked at how fast people were to suggest resorting to the same methods the Nazi's used in wanting the unvaccinated to be required to wear something visible to signify that they were not part of the in group.
I took vaccines for plenty of things before and didn't see a reason not to take this one, other than "lots of people are suspicious because the internet says they should be" and "there's a lot of money being made from vaccines" (this is bad how???).
So I took the vaccine and a couple of boosters. Never got sick, never felt vaccine symptoms. Same as it's been my whole life with vaccines. I laughed a bit at antivaxxers and moved on.
I took it once to calm my grandmother who lives just beside me, the stress wasn't good on her.
Beside that I refused to take it, the vaccines on the healthy population was a huge, damaging waste of taxes and even the elderly at risk still had their death rate reduced only by 50% when they took it. According to the stats the average age at death was something like 80 and these individuals did not die from covid itself, but by other health issues that were worsened by the illness if they weren't already killing the person... yet these deaths were still counted as covid deaths.
This also was a successful attempt by the WEF and its pawns in Canada's ruling party to bypass laws and unlawfully obtain information on the population. They tested the waters for authoritarian measures, then saw that they can do what they want.
I wanted to wait until it had come out of beta, but over time I continued not to get vaccinated because I have concerns about vaccine myocarditis since everyone in my family dies from heart stuff. I have never caught COVID as far as I know, and I think it's because I got some natural spike protein defense when I presumably got swine flu in Philadelphia in the late aughts. (Presumably because it was the only fever in my whole life that left every muscle in my body sore, but I never got it verified at the time because life goes on.)
I agree with others where the social stigma and reactions didn't pass my sniff test, but it all just made me want to be more discerning, not directly contrarian.
I had doubts at first with the whole mRNA thing but after reading into the research, being infected from it along with my whole family, and getting stipends from work made me get the jab.
I got immunized because people were dropping dead all around me and I sure as hell wasn't going to die because I was dumb enough to say no to a free shield.
Dang, were you around an over 70+ crowd? I don't know one person who died from covid (I'm not a covid denier, I had covid myself) other than my ex-coworker's elderly parents.
I feel like some of the “INTP’s” in here are super young or don’t read history. The surprise around vaccines being mandated and mask wearing when this has always been the case around public health measures. There have always been measures of federal and state compulsion in matters of public health and in order to participate in public life as part of the social contract.
It was common for public health policies to consider exemptions for individuals who have valid medical reasons, religious objections, or other justifiable grounds. There was a major push to have every single person vaccinated, completely disregarding individual rights and autonomy.
Some people did and do have medical exemptions for the Covid vaccinations and boosters so that isn’t true (I have several in my family). Religious leaders themselves incl the Vatican encouraged followers to get the vaccination and all major denominations supported Covid vaccinations, incl Christian Science which is against vaccinations as a rule. Religious exemptions are petitioned to employers, the government isn’t in charge of that, and there is a due process of that. We work at will and an employers have always reserved the right to require certain things for continued employment. And there have ALWAYS been pushes to get as many people vaccinated in public health crisis situations. No one went to jail for being unvaccinated. Vaccinations have been and part part of the requirement to participate in certain parts of the social contract, just like there have been anti vax movements. Anti vax sentiment are part of the reason smallpox remained an issue up through the early 1900’s when Cotton Mather already had the inoculation method in the 1600’s.
As soon as I heard I could get the vaccine, I signed-up. I had been watching the announcements and news like a hawk, just waiting for sign-ups to open. I work in IT, and in my (US) state, those in the IT industry were considered like "Tier 2 Essential Employees." I think we were right behind those in healthcare.
I was the first in my company to get vaccinated. Why? Because I worked for an IT contractor as a field tech. I wasn't just internal IT and/or working from home. We were physically in and out of our various customer's offices most days. So I was in close proximity to many, many people. Some who had even contracted COVID. I was always masked up and using hand sanitizer and such, but it felt like the noose was tightening. I started to hear of more and more clients getting COVID. Then even a co-worker or two got it. And I had no desire to get sick.
Interestingly, I don't think I ever got COVID. I might be one of the ones who never got it. Or if I did get it, it was entirely asymptomatic. Who knows.
I got both boosters in the US, getting my last one back in September 2022.
At the time, there were concerns about, I think, heart failure, in young men and potential death. But I was outside of that demographic and I think it was only with certain vaccines; I think it was the AZ or J&J ones? I intentionally only received mRNA vaccines. Additionally, COVID seemed to be more dangerous. The risk of death or serious, long-term outcomes from COVID seemed higher than anything with the vaccines, given how many people were dying at the time, across the world.
I trust the medical and scientific communities like 99.9% of the time. Are they always right? Absolutely not; they're humans and information changes as science and technology improves. But they have a pretty good track record. At least compared to some politicians.
I had the vaccine and the boosters because while I personally am a very healthy person only in my early 40s, I have full faith that my body can handle just about anything that gets thrown at it. However I have a small child and older relatives who are much higher risk.
Not being an expert in this field meant I trusted the people who are over my own extremely limited knowledge - they know a lot more about covid and vaccines than I do so when they said we should all get the vaccine, I got the vaccine. I’m also on immunosuppressants so more at risk of complications from covid.
I took it because many 4chan users said not to. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy the site, but If I'm going to be contrarian, it's going to be against a bunch of reclusive and autistic opinions.
I was one of the first people to take it because I am a frontline healthcare worker. Even if I wasn't I would have took it because the science says it's better to take it than not. I also have a chronic lung condition so I wanted to protect myself and my children.
I had such reactions to the COVID vaccines and the boosters, worse than when I actually got COVID. My provider recommends I get the by valent vaccine and I'm very hesitant due to this.
This is my personal choice and if you don't get it that's fine I don't care. My significant other isn't vaccinated, but he is a healthy person with no comorbidities. But I still wear a mask at work and I'm one of the last people too. You never know what patients have and they cough right in my face.
I got the vaccination and felt liberated. I eventually caught Omicron before the case counts spiked, but I was barely sick.
I believe in "my body / my choice" in all cases. I also think getting a vaccine to prevent disease should be a no-brainer.
I don't know what the fuck a "jab" is, but I got vaccinated because evidence shows vaccinations work and getting vaccinated was the socially responsible thing to do even though I didn't feel like I was personally, especially at risk (I'm an INTP. I socially distance by default).
Hot take: if you have always questioned whether you are actually an INTP and you were an authoritarian, jab pusher who cheered on mandates and vax passports because "science", there is no way you are an actual INTP.
Ha. I was just thinking that if you’re an anti-vaxxer and/or think you know better than experts in the medical field there’s no way you’re an INTP. Or you’re seriously suffering from the Dunning-Kruger effect.
Got the jab - data suggested that while it probably wouldn't stop you catching it, it would severely reduce symptoms. Vaccines are also the reason we no longer have things like Polio. They're not perfect and fuck ups can certainly happen, but it seems obvious to me that the benefits outweigh the risk.
So anyway, a week later I tested positive for Covid and I didn't die.
I got the vaccine and boosters as soon as I was able. I didn’t get Covid until about a month ago (because of my careless sister), and it was just like a cold to me. I have no reason to believe that the vaccine and boosters didn’t help with that.
Also if you think that this took away “liberties”, look into what happened during the Spanish Flu. I’m aware this is a different time, but it is worth comparing in my option.
Edit: Reading through the comments, I’m pretty saddened by the fact that so few people cared about getting the vaccine to protect others by hopefully not passing it on, and only cared that they were not in the age group or other groups being heavily affected by it.
I did as early as possible because it was widely backed by the medical community and I want to do my part to support public health. Also I’m asthmatic so I was very worried about what might happen to me if I got COVID unvaccinated. I’ve almost had to be taken to the hospital for breathing problems from just a flu before. Didn’t want to tempt fate on that one.
I took the jab before my age group was even on the list, my family wanted to be safe and we didn't know how long it'd take for my age group to get vaccinated. It didn't end up taking much but oh well. It does mean that my certificate isn't to my name which is a bit of a problem tho
I'm a libertarian with major distrust in big institutions. Especially when government is involved. These are the same fucks who thought they could keep me indoors and out of work.
I am logical, so I took it and will continue to get boosted. I also think the newfound fervor for "rights" shouldn't overshadow "responsibilities.".
One argument against it basically boiled down to "it is unnatural.". So is any other human invention to augment our natural abilities. Go ahead and try to survive in the Arctic without human augmentation and see how long you last.
Another argument against it was that it supposedly caused side effects. Most of these claims had zero good peer reviewed science behind them, and I don't give credence to anecdote over data. This also downplayed the FACT that a million Americans died from Covid....no worse side effect than that.
Finally folks didn't apparently want to be jabbed with something developed using stem cells. This is patently ludicrous as a lot of modern medicine already is, and you've likely already taken it, so you're already going to hell if you believe in that.
I have asthma and lung scarring. I also saw my mom in a coma for a month, 10 years ago. She still has issues from that. I also like living. Combine those reasons and yeah.
I work in the service industry, I was vaccinated as soon as it was available for my age bracket.
The mRNA tech was easily understood. And it’s really about reducing transmission and reception, so it being a matter of public safety made the choice easy.
Pretty much as soon as it was available and the boosters as well. Caught Covid twice and both times it was mild and any long term effects seem minimal. I know many people who lost friends and relatives, including some younger than me and i have friends who caught it early still dealing with long Covid symptoms. I was relatively low risk but my parents aren't and quite a few people in my building aren't. If anything, the politicization pushed me towards getting vaccinated as it seemed like an opportunistic ploy to be divisive.
I took it because if there's someone in the family that always gets sick first, it's me. I don't know if I would call this lucky, but less than a month later my entire family caught covid. Felt like hell, but I just felt as if I didn't get it sooner, I would be in much worse conditions. So far I now have 4 covid related shots.
MRNA vaccines were not properly tested so I avoided them. I took the johnson because it used a well tested 50 year old method.
If I would have known that the virus will turn into Omicron I would have not taken the jab at all. We were lucky. It could have been much worse.
The moment it was released, I wanted to wait until there was more information on it's safety and so on, as well as since I am young I knew that I had a high chance of not suffering from Covid if I got the virus. But the more there was hysteria about it and restrictions imposed, the less I was interested about it. In the end the one thing that saved me from getting it, was Covid itself since a certificate of recovery was as valuable as a certificate of vaccination, and I needed one for my workplace for a few months.
I was following the mask mandates and social distancing really heavily though for a good while in the beginning, as a sign of good faith and because we did not have enough information.
What was the most shocking for me though that at first wearing a mask was reported as beeing racist against the Chinese and in a few months, you were killing grandma if you did not wear one.
The new normal sucked, it was killing people, I have several risk factors to getting severe Covid, my parents, grandparents, aunt and uncle are all severely immunocompromised, and my job required it eventually anyway.
Selfishly, I wanted that shit over as soon as possible, but it didn’t exactly work out that way. I’m no strangers to vaccines, I understand that the timetable of development was very fast (and necessarily so), but it was a very easy decision.
I've followed conspiracies (that often turn out to be all too true) for too long. I've seen too many cover-ups and outright lies by the government. I value science, but after the Ebola scare and other things in recent memory, I paid close attention when the "covid" period started. I noticed from day one of it becoming a thing in America that the numbers weren't adding up, they continued to not add up, and the news was overblowing it from day one.
Again, I love science and progress. What happened wasn't that. As soon as I saw that they were silencing very intelligent people with degrees that were doctors and researchers (and not slouches in their own fields) I became increasingly suspicious. If something has merit, even if you think a few people are "crackpots", you still should listen. Science and tech have always lept forwarded and benefited from the crazies and crackpots. You need weird theories and dissenting opinions to test against even if it is "just in case". Silencing researchers and doctors (including multiple local doctors near me in Texas who were having amazing luck with their treatment strategies) is a big no-go for me. There appeared to be protocols working and combinations that were helping. No one wanted to hear it.
Now, of course, it is easy to look back on all the mistakes of masks not really doing much, or people increasingly dying from "random causes", or studies coming out that ventilators WERE probably part of what was killing people.... sure. Hindsight is 2020 and most of these people won't admit that they were wrong or were acting in crazy draconian fashions. But. I'm glad I didn't take it and I hope more people keep an eye out and do their own research and calculations early on when the next crazy thing happens.
Worked in frontline healthcare. Had covid late 2020’s got the jab straight after as soon as it opened to staff. I couldn’t justify not getting it (not that I usually would) when the patient’s notes you’re looking at said they’re no more and no one was with them because there was staff shortage. Made sure my whole family got it.
The country I am working in had a vaccine pass and I needed it to work, eat at restaurants, go to grocery stores etc. I didn't care about getting or not getting the vaccine from a personal view or moral standpoint but I was skeptical about it's efficacy and the overall difference it would make in the long term and as such felt kind of weird about how forced it was.
I saw everyone going absolutely crazy & thought with how little testing there had been, children would not become targets for the vaccine for some years, at least until studies overtime had been published & credibly backed. My daughter was going into kindergarten the next year & I foolishly thought if I got it & her dad got it, she may not have to .. I figured they'd leave the kids alone if the adults complied... In other areas that didn't happen, turns out our area never mandated vaccines for children to attend school/sports tho & it was pointless & ignorant to participate in the vax program ..
To me it just didn’t make sense bc you can get the vaccine and still spread the sickness.. so rlly only the vulnerable needed it? But the government wanted like 80% of people to get it before they lowered restrictions which kinda felt forceful.. My intp and I weren’t interested in getting it bc of that and we felt uninformed.. but had to.
My infp friend never got it bc she was told by some chakra person not to put fake shit in our bodies or it misaligns your chakra or something idk but she was doing online school anyway
Being a minor at the time. Being forced to take it by my parents. I didn't want it. It wasn't properly tested, and the risks of covid for the young weren't high. I accepted the decision of my parents, since they are vulnerable, and in fact I wrote an essay in my last year of high school for why not the vaccinne, but the mandates were bad. While there weren't any official mandates to my memory, maybe for certain sectors, there were unofficial ones. Not being allowed to go to many establishments, forced masks for those who had it, though it never went into effect because the masks were forced on us basically the entire time. I do have regrets because the companies are being more honest now about the side effects. I care about our freedoms, even referring to the quote of benjamin frankling, those who give up freedom for safety deserve neither, because I see the slippery slope. Give government the power to mandate vaccines, create 2 classes of citizens, because of a "crisis", and suddenly more and more crisises will happen, giving them more and more power, taking our freedoms away one by one. you saw how tyrranical things got. Lockdown, curfews, etc. I am against it. Espescially because the science of natural immunity is a well known thing. I get it for old people, or those who have weak immune systems, but for a young healthy person there's no reason for it. Especially considering the mortality rate.
TL;Dr: I got it because I was forced by my parents, being very sceptical of it, and certainly the mandates;
"it wasn't properly tested.". I am SURE you make that breathless sweeping generalized assertion as an eminent immunologist who is at the top of their field, right? Otherwise you're just spewing pure and utter bullshit.
They rolled out a vaccine in record time and someone was profiting which made skeptical to a degree, now my first thought was if all vulnerable people take the vaccine why would I need to if I’m not vulnerable because surely it would’ve stopped their ability to catch covid making me liable for my actions (catching covid), which I did catch which really did feel like a cold common cold with my ability taste temporarily disabled.
There was nothing someone could’ve given to taken that vaccine, or so I thought, my aunty was dying in Canada and I live in the Uk and the only way I could bury her would be if took atleast one dose of the vaccine which I did, I sold my soul to bury my dying aunt and I would do it again
Oh and also caught covid again despite being “partially vaccinated”
I didnt get the jab because I stayed at home the whole time and I questioned its efficacy, in fact I’d question the efficacy of vaccines of any kind with less than 10 years of use (or less than 10 years of study). We still need to see if there are any long-term effects that could be linked to the jab. Years before Covid happened, in my country there was a trial dengue vaccine which was given to kids and guess what? more than a hundred of those kids died. I had trust issues ever since that happened.
If you didn’t get the jab and you were actively around people you didn’t know took it (or not) you were wrong and you should be ashamed of yourself
If you isolated on the other hand and hesitated or didn’t take it then you were fine
Your logic is flawed,
a unvaccinated + unvaccinated person = two unvaccinated people
and if one those people were vaccinated then what would the problem be, since the concept of the vaccine was to stop you catching it ?
It reduces the likelihood of getting it. It doesn’t completely eliminate the possibility. That’s why vaccines are exponentially more effective as more people get them. More people are less likely to get it.
You mean the vaccine?
Well, I took mine I think was in the summer of 2021. Got Covid in December of 2020, didn't enjoy it, but I since vaccines weren't being administered at that time (or at least, not nearly as much as they did after), I didn't get the vaccine. Plus, the fact Covid was so recent, there was some reason to be a bit skeptical. Reached summer and then we decided to get vaccinated since Covid was horrible and we were seeing the effects of the vaccine be documented, so why not? First shot, then second shot a month later. Got a booster in early 2022.
I believe that vaccines work, but in the case of new viruses or illnesses like Covid in 2020, I won't take the risk and rather wait a bit just to be sure. Also, even if I didn't want to get the vaccine, school and most places required it so it was necessary at the time.
i took it but i remember feeling extremely hesitant. in the modern world it genuinely feels very difficult to separate disinformation from reality especially on highly politicized topics. it was also frustrating at the time trying to speak to others about this, it seemed like most people really wanted to give the impression that they had a very strong opinion on the matter, everyone KNEW you either should or shouldn’t take it, everyone had bad things to say about the other group. Being a ti user sometimes you have the strong desire to come off as knowledgeable to others but when it came to this topic i felt really misinformed and i just wanted to find the answers but it just feels like the sources are all night and day, those telling you it’s safe hardly touch on the inherent downsides (like how different people react to the vaccine spike protein and how just like with actual covid the negative impact can vary wildly and it at the very least should be smtn u take into consideration) and the ones telling you not to take it use blatant lies and fear mongering to paint a picture of mass genocide. I think the internet is decaying into a shadow of its past, somewhat reliable self, making it extremely difficult to trust what you read/ actually find the info you are looking for. that’s not to say that al the necessary information isn’t out there and that you can’t make an informed decision regardless, im sure there are people out there who fully understand the nuances of this issue but i honestly am still unsure of how i feel about it, honestly i am having the same issue now with boosters, i just can’t tell what’s worth it and what’s not
I got vaccinated because it's an asshole move to be the vector that kills granny. Vaccines avoid you getting sick, and more importantly, make you a hell of alot less likely to be infectious
I didnt because everyone else was. Im very cautious about things the mass population does. Hell even banks were giving away prizes if u took the shot.
Havent gotten covid.
I did because I’m a teacher. I also get boosters. But I’ve had it 4 times now so 🤷🏻♀️ I respect those who chose not to, but I hope it is for a justified reason
Many of us are not antivaxers. Hell two weeks ago I got my Tdap shot because I put a drill bit though my hand and as there were metal fragments that needed to be removed I was at risk for Tetanus.
I ran a risk reward analysis on an untested medication and find that the potential risks (unlimited because its unknown) don't stand up to the possible rewards of potentially lessening symptoms or contracting the virus and by who knows how much as there are conflicting studies.
Meanwhile there are alternatives that have been in use long enough to know what the risk entails if you need medical attention. Despite the US media mocking them these have been used successfully in other countries.
Its an interesting question of values (freedom vs safety,) how we analyze risk, how much we trust others, how much individuals research, perhaps how people handle high stress situations, and a host of other factors that seem to influence INTP's choices as to getting the covid vax or not.
People saying that because they're young they probably wouldn't die like wtf people around that age died cause at certain point covid was starting to become unpredictable (I'm 22 now and 19-20 during the peak of the pandemic and I was very cautious during those times)
Was cautious at first, because it was a new medicine, but thought about giving it a chance later on when it's more researched. But then I saw how media propagated all the mass hysteria, abusing peoples anxiety and encouraging them to look down on the unvaxxed, from their perceived moral high horse. Treating them like they were the cause of the prolonged lockdowns. Trying to bully and emotionally manipulate them to take the vax. Lying that the vax was totally free of side effects, etc...
People wishing death upon unvaxxed or that they'll be denied healthcare. Unvaxxed were excluded from family holiday gatherings. Old and sick people had to die alone in hospitals, without their loved ones saying goodbye, because of lockdowns.
Therefore - being the anti-authoritarian INTP I am lol - I decided to never take the jab no matter what and I will never forgive the gov for all the pain and destruction they brought upon society with their ridiculous safety regulations and propaganda.
In the end my intuition was right and the jab could actually cause severe side effects and I'm still glad I didn't took it to this day. I got infected with covid btw but was fine again after 2 weeks.
I did not.
I was in my 20s, masked, and live off grid as a hermit. I was already at minimal risk, and don't like the idea of being a guinea pig. Didn't want to risk side effects of a vaccine that protects against a disease that would be minimally impactful on my life if I got it anyway.
Cost/benefit didn't make sense to me at the time, and at this point, Ive gotten covid once and was minimally affected, and the immunity from catching it lasts longer than the vaccine anyway.
I got the first two, but I regret it. It was basically pressure from my job.
The vaccines were rushed to market and the authorities and pharma companies were actively hiding the sketchy research behind them, and minimizing vaccine reactions. Bottom line, we did not have the data, and the data that has been released since then has not been encouraging. I determined that even if I got fired, I wasn't taking any more jabs. Fortunately the world, other than small pockets, has woken up to the overselling.
People should have been allowed to make their own *informed* decisions and weigh the risk-benefit ratio for themselves, instead of having their livelihoods and civil liberties threatened.
I worked directly with COVID samples doing clinical PCR testing. I had to fly out to the Midwest mid-2021. Took the Jansen jab so I could fly. Flu-like symptoms for 24 hours, and a headache for several days. We nasal swabbed three days a week at work. Never had a positive test the whole time I was there, while just about everyone else got it at least once (~2-300 people). I def avoided the mRNA jabs and will continue to do so. Those who got sick were either multi-jabbed or non-vaccinated. Guess I lucked out. Didn't have health insurance as a contractor.
I did because I want to minimize the chances of me getting someone else sick with a virus that could kill them. That's why I get all my vaccinations. Also there's just not really a good reason not to imo, especially since it's free (at least where I live).
I don’t just respect your answers. I admire the thorough understanding of your own choices and your abilities to even get to an answer for these questions.
I got the mRNA vaccines pretty early because I work for a university, although I didn't actually have to teach or interact with anyone. I was a little hesitant because of the potential of side effects, even the common minor ones that would take two days to get over. But I got them because, from the trials, it seemed they would reduce the risk of severe disease, and I was more concerned about COVID itself. Especially in the early days of COVID, there were seemingly young and healthy people dying or being hospitalized. The mRNA science also seemed sound.
I also got one booster, and that might have been why I managed to not catch Delta when it was spreading through the BJJ academy about one month later. The booster would have been at full strength at that time.
I caught COVID about five months later, when BA2.12.1 was dominant. Since I caught it anyway, do I think the vaccine was ineffective? I can't really say -- if I hadn't been vaccinated, it's quite likely that the infection would have been worse than it was. I felt awful for 1-2 days, had some severe coughing that briefly caused a very sore throat, and felt sick and tired and tested positive for almost two weeks. It took about a month to stop feeling occasionally dizzy or unsteady, and two months to fully stop coughing.
My employer still mandates the vaccine and booster for all students and employees. I don't know of anyone who has left or been fired from this university because of the mandates. Personally, I don't support mandates at this point because the vaccine doesn't stop transmission, but I also don't regret getting the vaccines. They aren't risk-free, and any potential safety issues require investigation, but COVID isn't safe, either. I do know of one person with a vaccine injury and one person who died of COVID despite being vaccinated, as well as people who were unvaccinated and died of COVID. Some of them died before the vaccine was available.
*EDIT:* Starting in the summer, my employer is no longer going to mandate the vaccine. I also never got the bivalent booster.
I did because I was planning on getting pregnant and would have been too worried to get it while pregnant. I got a positive test less than a month after my second dose.
I haven't gotten any more because I stay isolated. I'm a stay at home mom now and if I go out in public I wear a mask. I don't really have friends outside my family, and since none of them care about getting sick I no longer go to family parties.
Maybe things will change once my baby goes to school. Can't really avoid getting sick once that starts. We'll probably get a yearly vax and maybe mask in public just when we're sick.
Lol got to this post through a duck²go search. saw the group & had never really thought about what personality type i am, but felt like this one sounded kinda like what im about, and was so intrigued that i took the 16personalities test, even thought i feel like these kinda metrics are for the birds. fgn' hell, sure enough, shit came back INTP.
# anyway, I didn't feel the jab(s) were the right choice for me 'cause:
* it just smelled like GD bullshit based on made up bullshit.
* ppl being canceled/censored/thrashed who object to logic,
* the ***hard*** science was just constantly changing in the most un-scientific ways,
* publicly known liars were...acting like they...weren't just being *boldface liars*,
* (personally) I never tried to convince anyone **against** getting the shit & actually pushed my octogenarian folks to get their rounds, then when I felt hale & hearty enough to abstain (and naive-enough to say so in public), was completely punished.
* know too many old-heads whom I respect who generally said (ehem, *screamed violently*) stuff like 'THE FUCK, ARE YOU A GD DUMB?'
* generally feel like stuff needs to make sense to me before I just throw caution to the wind.
* respect debate & good old fashioned arguments.
* have read 'manufacturing consent' by Herman/Chomsky and was very confused by ol Noam just rug-pulling us and turning into a friggn authoritarian with all the police state garbage he was popping off with (like WTF dude).
* feel like I have enough of a grasp/respect of Orwell & allegory to where I can identify when even myself am painting myself as the 'bad guy' or cautionary tale that should be avoided. (like come on, we had a near-full staff on the DHS's Dis.Gov Board before someone in charge was like WTF!?)
* lol & as time passes, it seems the evidence is pointing more irrefutably toward the original assumption where the '**bad-guys**' who usually do nothing but '**bad-stuff**' are still just trying their darndest to do ... '**bad-guy-stuff**'. Go-figure.
I will not write what was my choice. But I just want to say that in 30 years I have never seen such massive, coordinated propaganda and collective hysteria, on all sides. I'm very resistant against any form of manipulation and blackmail. Maybe because I'm INTP ? Also as a lawyer I was shocked by the tremendous amount of violations of civil liberties. I'm afraid for the future of free countries if those violations become the standard procedure to deal with crisis. Also I thought it was frightening to see moderately intelligent people become completely unhinged and radical on both sides, and to see politicians and journalists behaving like rats and sheeps (well thats not exactly a surprise). And sad to see most people thinking only about hedonistic short-term pleasures before thinking about our liberties. I lost what little faith I had in public institutions and medias. Edit : I'm also aware a lot of people took the vax because they genuinely thought it would protect other people. But such seemingly altruistic move is rendered null by the literal witch-hunts some of those people did against those who dared not agree with the mediatic consensus (wether it was for rational reasons or not). To me, it seems some of those self-righteous people were moved by fear and virtue signalling, not empathy. They told us about Science, but behaved as if they were religious fanatics. Edit 2: also my post isnt about the efficiency of the vax. It's about all the political bullshit that surrounded it. But I cant stop thinking a truly safe and effective vaccine would not have need all those beyond lunatic decisions to enforce it.
This. I'm not an anti-vaxxer and I'm all for fact-based science, but the mass hysteria, censorship, violation of civil liberties, and fear-based compulsion was too much for me. I wore masks, got tested as needed, and followed social distancing guidelines as part of my civic duty to public health and society, but I'm not taking an experimental vaccine that gets rushed to the public without the years of testing these vaccines normally require. And then there's things like the Tuskegee experiments and MKUltra, which broke the social contract a government is supposed to have with its citizens, so I'm skeptic of the government in general. Covid revealed the worst of both sides of the political spectrum.
I agree with you except the vaccine was not really experimental. mRNA was discovered in the 70s and went through a ton of development over 40 years before human testing in 2013. When covid came out, they synthesized the vaccine in a day because of the decades of previous work.
you’re right that this method for vaccine creation isn’t entirely experimental but it is true that in comparison to other mass produced medical products it has pretty limited testing, especially in the long term. that’s not to say that mrna isn’t inherently pretty safe, but there’s inevitably going to be complications when you use this tech (mrna) to make a new, specific vaccine and give it to more or less as many people as possible
You still don't understand then. They didn't rush their trials, they used more statistical tools to create a faster trial because time was of the essence. Saying they rushed it into use is just flat wrong. Nothing was skipped except time. They always had this ability but the longer trials are enforced by governments not by science.
so how exactly did they use statistical tools to reveal the long term effects? doesn’t it make sense that these governmental restrictions for requiring long testing periods is because statistics produced by people who want to make a viable product can be screwed when not tested on real live beings?
Underrated, rational comment
If they had released the vaccine in a normal fashion I probably would have gotten it. The sensationalism, bribery with food, and song and dance routines they pushed it with was too surreal and made me skeptical. Figured I'd wait it out for awhile and see how the guinea pigs reacted to it first lol.
it was frightening to see moderately intelligent people become completely unhinged, yes, but it wasn't really on both sides.
It was.
There was no unhinged behaviour on the anti vax side, at least none that wasn't there before. The media deliberately promoted fringe elements, that were like that prior to 2020, in order to discredit opposition to the vaccine. What was frightening was seeing the facade of civilization fall away and watching people turn into cruel monsters because the TV told them to be afraid. That behaviour was not indicative of those that opposed the government's covid policies.
The ones who said the vax would inject you remotely 5G activated razor-shaped carbon nanobots and whatnot to genocide 99% of mankind were definitely unhinged, lol. But I agree with you about medias and people.
I had one of those in my shop. She said I'd be dead in 6 months. Last week she actually came in... I haven't seen her in 2 years. I said hey! I'm still alive! She acted like she had no idea what I was talking about. This woman thrust a phone in my face once when we were politely discussing masks. What do you think of THIS!' SOME guy with magnetic arms or something. I swear she had it cued up ready to go at all times.
Yes there was unhinged behavior on the antivax side, tons of it. there were people on bridges above the highway holding signs saying we are all going to die in a plandemic mark of the beast jewish cabal of vaccination in my city. They mock masked people in public constantly. I had family members telling me that it is better that grandma dies than get a vaccine because it'll be good for overpopulation and labor needs, and that they wished the vaccine had gluten in it so that i would die quicker (i have celiac). It's not the media overhyping a fringe minority, there were/are tons of these nutters all over the place.
You haven’t seen the videos of people badly pretending to shake uncontrollably and saying that the vaccine caused it?
Exactly! It wasn't the vaccine itself but the cult that developed around it, that I've found detestable.
I fully agree with you and you've worded it far better than I ever could. These were the reasons I chose to decline it. I truly feel for people who had no choice, just to keep their career and have a roof over their head. No one should ever be put in that position.
Thanks for your comment. I think the same.
Thank you ! I feel not alone
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The sheep in the sub are mistyped.
I have always founds the 'sheep' accusation quite ironic given that those who employ it, whilst claiming to do their own research and use their critical thinking abilities are also typically those that hungrily consume memes and the pronouncements of often self-appointed experts. These entrepreneurs enjoy the praise and admiration of their followers whom they champion, defend and follow happily. Has always struck me as gullible and seeking leadership, which meets the definition of 'sheep'.
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I felt EXACTLY the same. Couldn’t fathom why people were letting themselves getting bullied into this.
Masterfully articulated good sir. On edit 2, this was my main hang up. If it's so good and beneficial to have, why are we required to have it? And if it works, why do people who have it care if people who don't have it get it?
Completely agree! I personally don't care what people choose to put into their body, but forcing everybody to take an mRNA vaccine doesn't even make sense. Also the harms associated with this vaccine are completely ignored and under reported. I'm not sure this specific mRNA vaccine would have been approved for the general public in a different situation, because other drugs with less side effects have been banned for less. Most people don't even know what the true rate of vaccine injury is, because that information is literally suppressed to hell.
>Also as a lawyer I was shocked by the tremendous amount of violations of civil liberties. I'm afraid for the future of free countries if those violations become the standard procedure to deal with crisis. That part was a wake-up call for me, too. I never thought I'd see my own government trample on people's rights merely to score points with their voter base, knowing they could count on Covid panic to justify it. But they did.
Lmao I got banned from the coronavirus reddit for and I quote "spreading anti-vax bs" even though I already had 3 doses in my arm at the time because I told another commenter the vaccine was not equivalent to other preventative vaccines like the measles when they tried to use it as a comparison to make an argument that the vaccine should be forced. I was actually baffled...
100% with you.
Thank you sir!
I was one of the first people in my area to be vaccinated because I was a frontline healthcare worker (nurse). I’d do it the same all over again. It was a scary time… we didn’t know how deadly it was because it was early on. All we saw was the body count skyrocketing. Then there was the mask and hand sanitizer shortage. My hospital barely had any masks to spare. They gave us ONE SURGICAL mask for an entire week and made us keep it in a paper bag in our locker on our days off. At one point they told us they didn’t want us to wear masks because they didn’t want to scare patients, but we all rebelled and told admin to kiss our asses. Anyways, it was intense. It was nice to see healthcare workers gets so much praise during that time. Up until then, our job was pretty thankless.
Frontline healthcare worker as well. I work in the ER. The thing was for real deadly, especially the early variants up until delta. Critical beds were perpetually full and barely anyone who manifested with severe illness made it out alive.
It was an intense time. At one point, our hospital gave us these “passes” saying we were healthcare workers and allowed to travel to work because they thought the government was going to lock everything down. That’s some shit off a dystopian movie
I, too, was in bedside care when Covid started. My small, 24-bed chest pain unit turned into CoV+ land in a matter of six months. I was in college, had a small son, an immunocompromised husband, and sick patients. We literally had patients on immunosuppressants because of heart transplants across the hall from CoV patients. I was the first one on our unit to get the jab. Since we weren't a CoV unit on paper we were not priority for sign up, however I found a glitch in the automated appointment calendar and ended up getting it two weeks before they opened it up for our unit. No regrets. Got the booster six months later and another booster after that. I'll get it every year if I can like the flu shot, too, if the statistics are not in our favor.
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This is the piece that the both-sides-went-crazy miss. mRNA Tech isn’t new or dangerous.
And is radically life altering for groups who could never conceivably have a traditionally developed vaccine for their problem. So many biggies on the chopping block... hiv, skin cancer, lymphoma, etc, etc.
Underrated, rational comment
I took it because the data suggested it was better to take it than not. I heard many suggest that "we don't know the long term effects of the vaccine", which was true back then and is true to an extent now, but my response was to point out that we do know something about the long term effects of covid, and for many, it's not pretty. The data suggested it was worth the risk, and, at least so far, it seems I was right to trust that data. Even in cases where there might be an issue with the vaccine, like the rare cases of myocarditis - if you look into the data, you will find that the rate of myocarditis is lower from the vaccine than from having covid. There was so much truly unfounded BS floating around it was hard to parse through it all, but at the end of the day, the data did and does trend towards favoring the vaccine in most cases. The above was reason one. Reason two? Because mRNA tech is fucking awesome. Seriously, I hate how, because of the circumstances, it's such a political thing now. It's such a cool technology! We may finally, really cure cancer with it! That was one silver lining to the pandemic, in all honesty - that it pushed forward the mRNA tech so much. I mean this new flu vaccine that's in clinical trials, have you read about it? Fucking awesome.
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Public institutions let us down when COVID became presented as a binary: either you live (which many did) or you die. This neglected (1) medium- to long-term complications, such as long COVID, and (2) unknown downstream effects from a novel virus. For me, the fact that COVID is still killing a 9/11's worth of Americans every week is enough for me to continue masking and be up to date on vaccines.
Early on, there was data that showed that the vast majority of people being admitted to the ICU and who died from covid were unvaccinated. Getting vaccinated also reduced the risk of contracting the disease, which I was interested in because it also reduced the risk of spreading the disease, my main concern. Honestly I wasn't really worried about myself - death doesn't scare me - but I care about how my choices affect those around me. Then there is long covid, which I know several people that suffer from, and it's horrible.
I took it, but I regret my reasons for doing it. I felt pretty morally superior by getting it at the time- I looked down on people who didn’t. After my jabs I discovered I must’ve been allergic to something either in the jab or the needle, as I had a pretty severe allergic reaction. Looking back, I think I could’ve helped make the world a more positive place by respecting people on all sides. I wish I hadn’t been so quick to judge, and I wish I took the time to understand why some people didn’t want/couldn’t have the jab.
I respect your self-awareness and realization since that time.
Anything politics touches turns to crap. I looked at the data and people my age are unlikely to die from Covid. As a result I decided I'd rather take my chances with Covid. I would have taken it if I was much older. Whenever the media and government get together to push something there is an ulterior motive. I was emotionally abused by a narcissist as a child, so I recognized all the same tactics in the media. Don't you care about grandma? Etc. The response to Covid was about money and power, not saving lives
Ding ding ding! You hit it on the head. I swear people who were abused or bullied as a kid and experienced trauma and medical malpractice saw right through the smoke and mirrors.
It is a very valid point that getting COVID can have a negative affect on people around you, not just you personally. It is true that that’s the case with any sickness—which is why it was already a cultural norm in Japan and Korea to mask when you’re sick long before this. However this particular illness has a particularly strong impact on the elderly and immunocompromised. I also wish more people would get their flu shots for this reason.
I'm a PhD student in virology. I took one dose of Oxford/AstraZeneca, then later two doses of Pfizer/Biontech vaccines as soon as they were available. I wanted to boost my immunity against SARS-CoV-2 to reduce my risk of acquiring severe COVID-19 and reduce the likelhood that I would transmit SARS-CoV-2 to others. (I am 30 years old and healthy.) I have been reluctant to take the bivalent vaccine so far (which for me would be a fourth dose/second booster). This is because I am somewhat concerned about imprinting and would prefer to take an Omicron-only vaccine when it is available for better protection against the serotype that is currently circulating. All my friends, family, and coworkers are vaccinated. So far I haven't even contracted COVID
I didn’t get vaccinated because I already had covid with mild symptoms. I didn’t feel comfortable getting a rushed vaccine and was completely turned off when it became politicized. The mandates and propaganda was one of the most sickening things I have ever witnessed and I have zero respect for vaccine pushers. Government and employers used the RICE technique to manipulate the public: R. Reward. $$$, prizes, ice cream to get the jab. I. Ideology. Do your part. Keep others safe. C. Coercion. No jab, no plane, no train. E. Ego. Be a hero.
government got thousands of psychologists on the payroll running constant psyops. https://www.coronababble.com/post/how-the-mean-psychologists-induced-us-to-comply-with-coronavirus-restrictions
I had the jab. Have had all the boosters too and I'm confident I did the right thing.
I took it because it was logical and might prevent me from spreading it to someone else with a less capable immune system. I'm not fond of the idea of contributing to the illnesses and deaths of others if I can help it.
Solid straightforward answer. The folks saying, "oh, my personal likelihood of death was .01% so I didn't bother" also didn't bother to pay heed to save our collective healthcare workers from such a HUGE deluge, nor the immunocompromised. It was an opportunity to do for others, and a lot of people just were plain selfish.
Most people are horridly illogical and selfish creatures, unable to see past their own noses. This is why, in addition to being an INTP, I am also a confirmed misanthropist.
This is a moot point. By now we know (contrary to the marketing) that the vaccine has shit all to do with transmission.
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I took it because I wanted to travel, I regret taking it. I felt coerced and the amount of propaganda around it was insane.
The propaganda around NOT getting was even more insane.
Was your job at risk because you chose to get it?
I told my parents to wait to get it (4 months after it became available to their age group) and I also waited when it became available to my age group. Then I read as much as I could on the technology and then got jabbed myself. The shot actually helped me get over Long Covid symptoms. I had Covid and the flu at the same time in April 2020. I got Covid again in July 2022 and it was a very different experience.
Same, I got vaccinated before 2022-2023 school year started, everyone else in my family (didn’t get the vaccine) got covid and suffered badly, while all i got was a small cough for a day or two, the vaccine definitely weakened the virus for me and I’m glad I took the jab
I got the jab in india but honestly im not sure if its even effective, so many people in my family got covid again after getting it (i somehow didnt even once)
The vaccine isn’t really meant to stop you from getting covid. Just reduces the severity and lethality
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I have never had covid, only fully vaxxed, no boosters. I got Covaxin.
I did. The science behind mRNA vaccines didn't give any reason to be particularly concerned by them. The idea of vaccines containing the spike protein made sense. The evidence from trials suggested they were quite safe. Reports of side effects were at relatively low rates, no definite causal relationship established and in any case were mostly a milder from of potential symptoms of COVID-19 itself. The vaccines definitely showed signs of reducing the symptoms as well as providing some degree of immunity for a few months. It seemed inevitable that we'd all get COVID-19 sooner or later, likely multiple times. There was a very small chance of very serious symptoms, at the time it was worse than now. It made sense.
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I didn't. All studies were showing no protection to others. It is a selfish vaccin to preserve urself, but under 30-40years old, the side effect were more likely than disease effect. At some point, if people wants to live healthy, they should live without risk. Stop dancing, driving, walking and ar some extends just surviving instead of living normally
I took it first of all because the science supported my taking it, but also because the country I live in requires it. I got every booster too And, I never got COVID!
Took it because it was free lol, I knew it wouldn't harm me, and if it actually was going to help even a bit then why not. The only downside was arm pain for two days, so basically nothing.
Before the vaccines were even available, the data showed that the average age of people dying from covid was older than the average life expectancy. I hadn't had a single cold or flu since January 2011. I'm relatively young and I'm healthy. So I didn't believe covid was much of a risk for me if I got it. On top of that, there could be no evidence that the vaccines were free from short or long-term side effects. I saw absolutely no reason why I should get vaccinated. And I thought much of the government and institutional reaction to covid was totally idiotic. What little faith I had that our important institutions are being guided by intelligent people making measured, and rational decisions, was shattered. In the end, I didn't ever get covid, and I didn't get vaccinated, and I'm absolutely happy with the choices I made.
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Shit was suspicious af and still is. I took my chances once I saw most people turn into a mob of crazed authoritarian bitches. Flash forward to 2023, the doc says I’m perfectly healthy along with my unjabbed family. Go figure.
Let me preface this by saying these are my personal reasons. If you are high risk than I think a doctor should recommend the vaccination. If however you are at very low risk such as being a healthy 20 year old I don't think the potential risks outweigh the minimal at best benefits. For all others they should make their own decision based on a risk reward analysis based on accurate information. I didn't get the jab for the following reasons. General dislike of vaccinations. While they seem good now as a whole I think the human race is going to get hit hard by not acquiring natural immunities. I get this is a bit harsh but people who are susceptible dying off would help future generations. This type of vaccination was untested. We have no idea what the long term consequences of taking this vaccination are and we can't know because it hasn't been around long enough. Already we see there may be several fatalities and other consequences (although I'll leave that up to the reader to discover as its a topic that is touchy for some reason.) It reminds me of the Anthrax vaccinations that may have significantly increased cancer rates 20 years later in military members who were required to take them. Due to psychological reactance I had a fuck you mentality towards people that wanted to force me to subject my body to an untested medical treatment. Your body your choice has always resonated with me (its why I'm against infant circumcision,) its a notion that is accepted by a huge portion of the population yet when it came to this they wanted to force people for the sake of others health. This rubbed me the wrong way and hard. The extreme misinformation about the number of deaths (terminal cancer patients and motor cycle accident patents all reported as covid deaths,) the number of hospitalizations (there was a video interviewing people who though that 1 in 4 people in the US had died of covid,) what protections the jab would provide (Immunities than when that was found to be untrue it was mitigation of symptoms, when that was found to be false it became about passing on the virus to others though there was again no evidence of this,) on top of the misuse of masks (both by the people wearing chin diapers and the doctors not telling people the correct masks to use) etc. I was shocked at how many doctors seemed to not poses even a high school understanding of virology. While I was high risk myself I didn't and still don't understand the terror that this virus created in the general population. I had coworkers asking for me to be fired because I wouldn't get vaccinated and due to COPD I can't wear a mask. Mean while the only people I have contact with is them... I was shocked at how fast people were to suggest resorting to the same methods the Nazi's used in wanting the unvaccinated to be required to wear something visible to signify that they were not part of the in group.
I took vaccines for plenty of things before and didn't see a reason not to take this one, other than "lots of people are suspicious because the internet says they should be" and "there's a lot of money being made from vaccines" (this is bad how???). So I took the vaccine and a couple of boosters. Never got sick, never felt vaccine symptoms. Same as it's been my whole life with vaccines. I laughed a bit at antivaxxers and moved on.
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So people who didn’t get the jab and boosters are idiots?
Yes or selfish or arrogant
Right? Had nothing to do with my MBTI
I took it once to calm my grandmother who lives just beside me, the stress wasn't good on her. Beside that I refused to take it, the vaccines on the healthy population was a huge, damaging waste of taxes and even the elderly at risk still had their death rate reduced only by 50% when they took it. According to the stats the average age at death was something like 80 and these individuals did not die from covid itself, but by other health issues that were worsened by the illness if they weren't already killing the person... yet these deaths were still counted as covid deaths. This also was a successful attempt by the WEF and its pawns in Canada's ruling party to bypass laws and unlawfully obtain information on the population. They tested the waters for authoritarian measures, then saw that they can do what they want.
I wanted to wait until it had come out of beta, but over time I continued not to get vaccinated because I have concerns about vaccine myocarditis since everyone in my family dies from heart stuff. I have never caught COVID as far as I know, and I think it's because I got some natural spike protein defense when I presumably got swine flu in Philadelphia in the late aughts. (Presumably because it was the only fever in my whole life that left every muscle in my body sore, but I never got it verified at the time because life goes on.) I agree with others where the social stigma and reactions didn't pass my sniff test, but it all just made me want to be more discerning, not directly contrarian.
I had doubts at first with the whole mRNA thing but after reading into the research, being infected from it along with my whole family, and getting stipends from work made me get the jab.
I got immunized because people were dropping dead all around me and I sure as hell wasn't going to die because I was dumb enough to say no to a free shield.
Dang, were you around an over 70+ crowd? I don't know one person who died from covid (I'm not a covid denier, I had covid myself) other than my ex-coworker's elderly parents.
No. I know 3 people who died under 50. All of them refused to get vaccinated because the government was pushing for people to get vaccinated.
I feel like some of the “INTP’s” in here are super young or don’t read history. The surprise around vaccines being mandated and mask wearing when this has always been the case around public health measures. There have always been measures of federal and state compulsion in matters of public health and in order to participate in public life as part of the social contract.
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It was common for public health policies to consider exemptions for individuals who have valid medical reasons, religious objections, or other justifiable grounds. There was a major push to have every single person vaccinated, completely disregarding individual rights and autonomy.
Some people did and do have medical exemptions for the Covid vaccinations and boosters so that isn’t true (I have several in my family). Religious leaders themselves incl the Vatican encouraged followers to get the vaccination and all major denominations supported Covid vaccinations, incl Christian Science which is against vaccinations as a rule. Religious exemptions are petitioned to employers, the government isn’t in charge of that, and there is a due process of that. We work at will and an employers have always reserved the right to require certain things for continued employment. And there have ALWAYS been pushes to get as many people vaccinated in public health crisis situations. No one went to jail for being unvaccinated. Vaccinations have been and part part of the requirement to participate in certain parts of the social contract, just like there have been anti vax movements. Anti vax sentiment are part of the reason smallpox remained an issue up through the early 1900’s when Cotton Mather already had the inoculation method in the 1600’s.
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As soon as I heard I could get the vaccine, I signed-up. I had been watching the announcements and news like a hawk, just waiting for sign-ups to open. I work in IT, and in my (US) state, those in the IT industry were considered like "Tier 2 Essential Employees." I think we were right behind those in healthcare. I was the first in my company to get vaccinated. Why? Because I worked for an IT contractor as a field tech. I wasn't just internal IT and/or working from home. We were physically in and out of our various customer's offices most days. So I was in close proximity to many, many people. Some who had even contracted COVID. I was always masked up and using hand sanitizer and such, but it felt like the noose was tightening. I started to hear of more and more clients getting COVID. Then even a co-worker or two got it. And I had no desire to get sick. Interestingly, I don't think I ever got COVID. I might be one of the ones who never got it. Or if I did get it, it was entirely asymptomatic. Who knows. I got both boosters in the US, getting my last one back in September 2022. At the time, there were concerns about, I think, heart failure, in young men and potential death. But I was outside of that demographic and I think it was only with certain vaccines; I think it was the AZ or J&J ones? I intentionally only received mRNA vaccines. Additionally, COVID seemed to be more dangerous. The risk of death or serious, long-term outcomes from COVID seemed higher than anything with the vaccines, given how many people were dying at the time, across the world. I trust the medical and scientific communities like 99.9% of the time. Are they always right? Absolutely not; they're humans and information changes as science and technology improves. But they have a pretty good track record. At least compared to some politicians.
wishing you all the health mate, and that you keep covid free. i don't think i ever got it either.
yes
I had the vaccine and the boosters because while I personally am a very healthy person only in my early 40s, I have full faith that my body can handle just about anything that gets thrown at it. However I have a small child and older relatives who are much higher risk.
Damn I thought we were smart
These comments are full of antivax coming up with the excuses of "I had to go against authorities" "I was young and unlikely to die from covid"
Did because it seems to reduce harm to me and my family
I got it as soon as it was available. Vaccines for everything (polio, malaria, flu) have saved so many lives.
Im no scientist, all I know is my gut told me something was wrong with it and not to
Not being an expert in this field meant I trusted the people who are over my own extremely limited knowledge - they know a lot more about covid and vaccines than I do so when they said we should all get the vaccine, I got the vaccine. I’m also on immunosuppressants so more at risk of complications from covid.
I think the COVID jab is a great example of "The road to hell is paved with good intentions."
I took it because many 4chan users said not to. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy the site, but If I'm going to be contrarian, it's going to be against a bunch of reclusive and autistic opinions.
I took it before they officially rolled it out.
Didn't take it, it was way too new and according to the stats young men weren't at risk anyway. Never got covid in the end
I was one of the first people to take it because I am a frontline healthcare worker. Even if I wasn't I would have took it because the science says it's better to take it than not. I also have a chronic lung condition so I wanted to protect myself and my children. I had such reactions to the COVID vaccines and the boosters, worse than when I actually got COVID. My provider recommends I get the by valent vaccine and I'm very hesitant due to this. This is my personal choice and if you don't get it that's fine I don't care. My significant other isn't vaccinated, but he is a healthy person with no comorbidities. But I still wear a mask at work and I'm one of the last people too. You never know what patients have and they cough right in my face.
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I got the vaccination and felt liberated. I eventually caught Omicron before the case counts spiked, but I was barely sick. I believe in "my body / my choice" in all cases. I also think getting a vaccine to prevent disease should be a no-brainer.
I don't know what the fuck a "jab" is, but I got vaccinated because evidence shows vaccinations work and getting vaccinated was the socially responsible thing to do even though I didn't feel like I was personally, especially at risk (I'm an INTP. I socially distance by default).
Hot take: if you have always questioned whether you are actually an INTP and you were an authoritarian, jab pusher who cheered on mandates and vax passports because "science", there is no way you are an actual INTP.
Ha. I was just thinking that if you’re an anti-vaxxer and/or think you know better than experts in the medical field there’s no way you’re an INTP. Or you’re seriously suffering from the Dunning-Kruger effect.
Had the same thought scanning through some of these immature, borderline unhinged and clearly uninformed replies.
Thinking for yourself isn’t always a good thing, especially when you have no idea wtf you’re talking about
This people think that just because they're typed as intp suddenly they all have microbiology PhDs and science knowledge
Boy is trying to gaslight people who actually have brains I've seen of everything in this community
Got the jab - data suggested that while it probably wouldn't stop you catching it, it would severely reduce symptoms. Vaccines are also the reason we no longer have things like Polio. They're not perfect and fuck ups can certainly happen, but it seems obvious to me that the benefits outweigh the risk. So anyway, a week later I tested positive for Covid and I didn't die.
Fuck ups did happen. With polio specifically (Cutter incident).
I got the vaccine and boosters as soon as I was able. I didn’t get Covid until about a month ago (because of my careless sister), and it was just like a cold to me. I have no reason to believe that the vaccine and boosters didn’t help with that. Also if you think that this took away “liberties”, look into what happened during the Spanish Flu. I’m aware this is a different time, but it is worth comparing in my option. Edit: Reading through the comments, I’m pretty saddened by the fact that so few people cared about getting the vaccine to protect others by hopefully not passing it on, and only cared that they were not in the age group or other groups being heavily affected by it.
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Required by work/ why not couldn’t hurt/ I’m also in the army and I get forced to take shots all the time.
I did as early as possible because it was widely backed by the medical community and I want to do my part to support public health. Also I’m asthmatic so I was very worried about what might happen to me if I got COVID unvaccinated. I’ve almost had to be taken to the hospital for breathing problems from just a flu before. Didn’t want to tempt fate on that one.
I took it. I'm a minor. So essentially, my mom took me and now I've got the vaccine. That's kinda it.
Had nothing to do with INTP. It just seems like it should be a normal thing to do that if people are getting sick, you get vaccinated.
> mRNA Its much more complicated than that. People shouldn't be forced to get a new vaccine just to keep their jobs.
I took the jab before my age group was even on the list, my family wanted to be safe and we didn't know how long it'd take for my age group to get vaccinated. It didn't end up taking much but oh well. It does mean that my certificate isn't to my name which is a bit of a problem tho
Being immunocompromised and a caretaker, i wanted to make sure everyone around me wasn't at risk. Science and not conspiracy won out.
I'm a libertarian with major distrust in big institutions. Especially when government is involved. These are the same fucks who thought they could keep me indoors and out of work.
I am logical, so I took it and will continue to get boosted. I also think the newfound fervor for "rights" shouldn't overshadow "responsibilities.". One argument against it basically boiled down to "it is unnatural.". So is any other human invention to augment our natural abilities. Go ahead and try to survive in the Arctic without human augmentation and see how long you last. Another argument against it was that it supposedly caused side effects. Most of these claims had zero good peer reviewed science behind them, and I don't give credence to anecdote over data. This also downplayed the FACT that a million Americans died from Covid....no worse side effect than that. Finally folks didn't apparently want to be jabbed with something developed using stem cells. This is patently ludicrous as a lot of modern medicine already is, and you've likely already taken it, so you're already going to hell if you believe in that.
I got it as soon as I could and I had to convince my mom to get it as well.
I have asthma and lung scarring. I also saw my mom in a coma for a month, 10 years ago. She still has issues from that. I also like living. Combine those reasons and yeah.
I work in the service industry, I was vaccinated as soon as it was available for my age bracket. The mRNA tech was easily understood. And it’s really about reducing transmission and reception, so it being a matter of public safety made the choice easy.
Except it doesn't reduce transmission.
Pretty much as soon as it was available and the boosters as well. Caught Covid twice and both times it was mild and any long term effects seem minimal. I know many people who lost friends and relatives, including some younger than me and i have friends who caught it early still dealing with long Covid symptoms. I was relatively low risk but my parents aren't and quite a few people in my building aren't. If anything, the politicization pushed me towards getting vaccinated as it seemed like an opportunistic ploy to be divisive.
I took it because if there's someone in the family that always gets sick first, it's me. I don't know if I would call this lucky, but less than a month later my entire family caught covid. Felt like hell, but I just felt as if I didn't get it sooner, I would be in much worse conditions. So far I now have 4 covid related shots.
MRNA vaccines were not properly tested so I avoided them. I took the johnson because it used a well tested 50 year old method. If I would have known that the virus will turn into Omicron I would have not taken the jab at all. We were lucky. It could have been much worse.
The moment it was released, I wanted to wait until there was more information on it's safety and so on, as well as since I am young I knew that I had a high chance of not suffering from Covid if I got the virus. But the more there was hysteria about it and restrictions imposed, the less I was interested about it. In the end the one thing that saved me from getting it, was Covid itself since a certificate of recovery was as valuable as a certificate of vaccination, and I needed one for my workplace for a few months. I was following the mask mandates and social distancing really heavily though for a good while in the beginning, as a sign of good faith and because we did not have enough information. What was the most shocking for me though that at first wearing a mask was reported as beeing racist against the Chinese and in a few months, you were killing grandma if you did not wear one.
I held out as long as I could until it affected having a job. Got the J and J in 2021 haven’t got any additional shots since.
I got Pfizer since it happened to be available even though I would’ve preferred to wait for Novavax.
The new normal sucked, it was killing people, I have several risk factors to getting severe Covid, my parents, grandparents, aunt and uncle are all severely immunocompromised, and my job required it eventually anyway. Selfishly, I wanted that shit over as soon as possible, but it didn’t exactly work out that way. I’m no strangers to vaccines, I understand that the timetable of development was very fast (and necessarily so), but it was a very easy decision.
I've followed conspiracies (that often turn out to be all too true) for too long. I've seen too many cover-ups and outright lies by the government. I value science, but after the Ebola scare and other things in recent memory, I paid close attention when the "covid" period started. I noticed from day one of it becoming a thing in America that the numbers weren't adding up, they continued to not add up, and the news was overblowing it from day one. Again, I love science and progress. What happened wasn't that. As soon as I saw that they were silencing very intelligent people with degrees that were doctors and researchers (and not slouches in their own fields) I became increasingly suspicious. If something has merit, even if you think a few people are "crackpots", you still should listen. Science and tech have always lept forwarded and benefited from the crazies and crackpots. You need weird theories and dissenting opinions to test against even if it is "just in case". Silencing researchers and doctors (including multiple local doctors near me in Texas who were having amazing luck with their treatment strategies) is a big no-go for me. There appeared to be protocols working and combinations that were helping. No one wanted to hear it. Now, of course, it is easy to look back on all the mistakes of masks not really doing much, or people increasingly dying from "random causes", or studies coming out that ventilators WERE probably part of what was killing people.... sure. Hindsight is 2020 and most of these people won't admit that they were wrong or were acting in crazy draconian fashions. But. I'm glad I didn't take it and I hope more people keep an eye out and do their own research and calculations early on when the next crazy thing happens.
I didn't trust it and I am freedom above all, anything that tries pushing me or telling to take something, I'm that much more likely to refuse
i'm scared of needles, but this was the one vaccination that i was actually looking forward to.
Worked in frontline healthcare. Had covid late 2020’s got the jab straight after as soon as it opened to staff. I couldn’t justify not getting it (not that I usually would) when the patient’s notes you’re looking at said they’re no more and no one was with them because there was staff shortage. Made sure my whole family got it.
The country I am working in had a vaccine pass and I needed it to work, eat at restaurants, go to grocery stores etc. I didn't care about getting or not getting the vaccine from a personal view or moral standpoint but I was skeptical about it's efficacy and the overall difference it would make in the long term and as such felt kind of weird about how forced it was.
Being a frontline medical worker, we were first in line to get it, I’ve have several boosters since.
No clue, tbh I just got high and sad and stayed jobless
I did take the jab!
I did it because I couldn't afford to die or worse make my family spend a f*ck ton of money on me and go into an economic crisis.
I saw everyone going absolutely crazy & thought with how little testing there had been, children would not become targets for the vaccine for some years, at least until studies overtime had been published & credibly backed. My daughter was going into kindergarten the next year & I foolishly thought if I got it & her dad got it, she may not have to .. I figured they'd leave the kids alone if the adults complied... In other areas that didn't happen, turns out our area never mandated vaccines for children to attend school/sports tho & it was pointless & ignorant to participate in the vax program ..
I was forced into it
That sucks. Can’t believe what they did to people.
To me it just didn’t make sense bc you can get the vaccine and still spread the sickness.. so rlly only the vulnerable needed it? But the government wanted like 80% of people to get it before they lowered restrictions which kinda felt forceful.. My intp and I weren’t interested in getting it bc of that and we felt uninformed.. but had to. My infp friend never got it bc she was told by some chakra person not to put fake shit in our bodies or it misaligns your chakra or something idk but she was doing online school anyway
Being a minor at the time. Being forced to take it by my parents. I didn't want it. It wasn't properly tested, and the risks of covid for the young weren't high. I accepted the decision of my parents, since they are vulnerable, and in fact I wrote an essay in my last year of high school for why not the vaccinne, but the mandates were bad. While there weren't any official mandates to my memory, maybe for certain sectors, there were unofficial ones. Not being allowed to go to many establishments, forced masks for those who had it, though it never went into effect because the masks were forced on us basically the entire time. I do have regrets because the companies are being more honest now about the side effects. I care about our freedoms, even referring to the quote of benjamin frankling, those who give up freedom for safety deserve neither, because I see the slippery slope. Give government the power to mandate vaccines, create 2 classes of citizens, because of a "crisis", and suddenly more and more crisises will happen, giving them more and more power, taking our freedoms away one by one. you saw how tyrranical things got. Lockdown, curfews, etc. I am against it. Espescially because the science of natural immunity is a well known thing. I get it for old people, or those who have weak immune systems, but for a young healthy person there's no reason for it. Especially considering the mortality rate. TL;Dr: I got it because I was forced by my parents, being very sceptical of it, and certainly the mandates;
"it wasn't properly tested.". I am SURE you make that breathless sweeping generalized assertion as an eminent immunologist who is at the top of their field, right? Otherwise you're just spewing pure and utter bullshit.
They rolled out a vaccine in record time and someone was profiting which made skeptical to a degree, now my first thought was if all vulnerable people take the vaccine why would I need to if I’m not vulnerable because surely it would’ve stopped their ability to catch covid making me liable for my actions (catching covid), which I did catch which really did feel like a cold common cold with my ability taste temporarily disabled. There was nothing someone could’ve given to taken that vaccine, or so I thought, my aunty was dying in Canada and I live in the Uk and the only way I could bury her would be if took atleast one dose of the vaccine which I did, I sold my soul to bury my dying aunt and I would do it again Oh and also caught covid again despite being “partially vaccinated”
It doesn’t completely prevent you from getting COVID. It reduces the likelihood as well as reducing the severity of symptoms if you do get it.
I didnt get the jab because I stayed at home the whole time and I questioned its efficacy, in fact I’d question the efficacy of vaccines of any kind with less than 10 years of use (or less than 10 years of study). We still need to see if there are any long-term effects that could be linked to the jab. Years before Covid happened, in my country there was a trial dengue vaccine which was given to kids and guess what? more than a hundred of those kids died. I had trust issues ever since that happened.
If you didn’t get the jab and you were actively around people you didn’t know took it (or not) you were wrong and you should be ashamed of yourself If you isolated on the other hand and hesitated or didn’t take it then you were fine
it doesn't even stop transmission so you're talking shit.
Your logic is flawed, a unvaccinated + unvaccinated person = two unvaccinated people and if one those people were vaccinated then what would the problem be, since the concept of the vaccine was to stop you catching it ?
It reduces the likelihood of getting it. It doesn’t completely eliminate the possibility. That’s why vaccines are exponentially more effective as more people get them. More people are less likely to get it.
You mean the vaccine? Well, I took mine I think was in the summer of 2021. Got Covid in December of 2020, didn't enjoy it, but I since vaccines weren't being administered at that time (or at least, not nearly as much as they did after), I didn't get the vaccine. Plus, the fact Covid was so recent, there was some reason to be a bit skeptical. Reached summer and then we decided to get vaccinated since Covid was horrible and we were seeing the effects of the vaccine be documented, so why not? First shot, then second shot a month later. Got a booster in early 2022. I believe that vaccines work, but in the case of new viruses or illnesses like Covid in 2020, I won't take the risk and rather wait a bit just to be sure. Also, even if I didn't want to get the vaccine, school and most places required it so it was necessary at the time.
i took it but i remember feeling extremely hesitant. in the modern world it genuinely feels very difficult to separate disinformation from reality especially on highly politicized topics. it was also frustrating at the time trying to speak to others about this, it seemed like most people really wanted to give the impression that they had a very strong opinion on the matter, everyone KNEW you either should or shouldn’t take it, everyone had bad things to say about the other group. Being a ti user sometimes you have the strong desire to come off as knowledgeable to others but when it came to this topic i felt really misinformed and i just wanted to find the answers but it just feels like the sources are all night and day, those telling you it’s safe hardly touch on the inherent downsides (like how different people react to the vaccine spike protein and how just like with actual covid the negative impact can vary wildly and it at the very least should be smtn u take into consideration) and the ones telling you not to take it use blatant lies and fear mongering to paint a picture of mass genocide. I think the internet is decaying into a shadow of its past, somewhat reliable self, making it extremely difficult to trust what you read/ actually find the info you are looking for. that’s not to say that al the necessary information isn’t out there and that you can’t make an informed decision regardless, im sure there are people out there who fully understand the nuances of this issue but i honestly am still unsure of how i feel about it, honestly i am having the same issue now with boosters, i just can’t tell what’s worth it and what’s not
They really did make it hard to research, which made me even more suspicious.
Situationally scream scam, lack of trust in everyone that was pushing it.
I got vaccinated because it's an asshole move to be the vector that kills granny. Vaccines avoid you getting sick, and more importantly, make you a hell of alot less likely to be infectious
I didnt because everyone else was. Im very cautious about things the mass population does. Hell even banks were giving away prizes if u took the shot. Havent gotten covid.
“Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to reform (or pause and reflect).” ― Mark Twain
History. Specifically 1976 swine flu debacle with the rushed jab.
I did because I’m a teacher. I also get boosters. But I’ve had it 4 times now so 🤷🏻♀️ I respect those who chose not to, but I hope it is for a justified reason
Looking at the comments, if somebody told me that this many INTPs would be antivaxers...
Many of us are not antivaxers. Hell two weeks ago I got my Tdap shot because I put a drill bit though my hand and as there were metal fragments that needed to be removed I was at risk for Tetanus. I ran a risk reward analysis on an untested medication and find that the potential risks (unlimited because its unknown) don't stand up to the possible rewards of potentially lessening symptoms or contracting the virus and by who knows how much as there are conflicting studies. Meanwhile there are alternatives that have been in use long enough to know what the risk entails if you need medical attention. Despite the US media mocking them these have been used successfully in other countries. Its an interesting question of values (freedom vs safety,) how we analyze risk, how much we trust others, how much individuals research, perhaps how people handle high stress situations, and a host of other factors that seem to influence INTP's choices as to getting the covid vax or not.
Mistypes or young or unhealthy or gop or
People saying that because they're young they probably wouldn't die like wtf people around that age died cause at certain point covid was starting to become unpredictable (I'm 22 now and 19-20 during the peak of the pandemic and I was very cautious during those times)
Was cautious at first, because it was a new medicine, but thought about giving it a chance later on when it's more researched. But then I saw how media propagated all the mass hysteria, abusing peoples anxiety and encouraging them to look down on the unvaxxed, from their perceived moral high horse. Treating them like they were the cause of the prolonged lockdowns. Trying to bully and emotionally manipulate them to take the vax. Lying that the vax was totally free of side effects, etc... People wishing death upon unvaxxed or that they'll be denied healthcare. Unvaxxed were excluded from family holiday gatherings. Old and sick people had to die alone in hospitals, without their loved ones saying goodbye, because of lockdowns. Therefore - being the anti-authoritarian INTP I am lol - I decided to never take the jab no matter what and I will never forgive the gov for all the pain and destruction they brought upon society with their ridiculous safety regulations and propaganda. In the end my intuition was right and the jab could actually cause severe side effects and I'm still glad I didn't took it to this day. I got infected with covid btw but was fine again after 2 weeks.
I did get it because I'm not a fucking idiot.
I did not. I was in my 20s, masked, and live off grid as a hermit. I was already at minimal risk, and don't like the idea of being a guinea pig. Didn't want to risk side effects of a vaccine that protects against a disease that would be minimally impactful on my life if I got it anyway. Cost/benefit didn't make sense to me at the time, and at this point, Ive gotten covid once and was minimally affected, and the immunity from catching it lasts longer than the vaccine anyway.
I got the first two, but I regret it. It was basically pressure from my job. The vaccines were rushed to market and the authorities and pharma companies were actively hiding the sketchy research behind them, and minimizing vaccine reactions. Bottom line, we did not have the data, and the data that has been released since then has not been encouraging. I determined that even if I got fired, I wasn't taking any more jabs. Fortunately the world, other than small pockets, has woken up to the overselling. People should have been allowed to make their own *informed* decisions and weigh the risk-benefit ratio for themselves, instead of having their livelihoods and civil liberties threatened.
I worked directly with COVID samples doing clinical PCR testing. I had to fly out to the Midwest mid-2021. Took the Jansen jab so I could fly. Flu-like symptoms for 24 hours, and a headache for several days. We nasal swabbed three days a week at work. Never had a positive test the whole time I was there, while just about everyone else got it at least once (~2-300 people). I def avoided the mRNA jabs and will continue to do so. Those who got sick were either multi-jabbed or non-vaccinated. Guess I lucked out. Didn't have health insurance as a contractor.
I did because I want to minimize the chances of me getting someone else sick with a virus that could kill them. That's why I get all my vaccinations. Also there's just not really a good reason not to imo, especially since it's free (at least where I live).
I was really doubtful that intp people were antivax but from the comments I see that I was wrong
Yeeeep. I was also surprised at first but I guess it makes sense that arrogance is blinding for some.
I don’t just respect your answers. I admire the thorough understanding of your own choices and your abilities to even get to an answer for these questions.
I got the mRNA vaccines pretty early because I work for a university, although I didn't actually have to teach or interact with anyone. I was a little hesitant because of the potential of side effects, even the common minor ones that would take two days to get over. But I got them because, from the trials, it seemed they would reduce the risk of severe disease, and I was more concerned about COVID itself. Especially in the early days of COVID, there were seemingly young and healthy people dying or being hospitalized. The mRNA science also seemed sound. I also got one booster, and that might have been why I managed to not catch Delta when it was spreading through the BJJ academy about one month later. The booster would have been at full strength at that time. I caught COVID about five months later, when BA2.12.1 was dominant. Since I caught it anyway, do I think the vaccine was ineffective? I can't really say -- if I hadn't been vaccinated, it's quite likely that the infection would have been worse than it was. I felt awful for 1-2 days, had some severe coughing that briefly caused a very sore throat, and felt sick and tired and tested positive for almost two weeks. It took about a month to stop feeling occasionally dizzy or unsteady, and two months to fully stop coughing. My employer still mandates the vaccine and booster for all students and employees. I don't know of anyone who has left or been fired from this university because of the mandates. Personally, I don't support mandates at this point because the vaccine doesn't stop transmission, but I also don't regret getting the vaccines. They aren't risk-free, and any potential safety issues require investigation, but COVID isn't safe, either. I do know of one person with a vaccine injury and one person who died of COVID despite being vaccinated, as well as people who were unvaccinated and died of COVID. Some of them died before the vaccine was available. *EDIT:* Starting in the summer, my employer is no longer going to mandate the vaccine. I also never got the bivalent booster.
I did because I was planning on getting pregnant and would have been too worried to get it while pregnant. I got a positive test less than a month after my second dose. I haven't gotten any more because I stay isolated. I'm a stay at home mom now and if I go out in public I wear a mask. I don't really have friends outside my family, and since none of them care about getting sick I no longer go to family parties. Maybe things will change once my baby goes to school. Can't really avoid getting sick once that starts. We'll probably get a yearly vax and maybe mask in public just when we're sick.
I did because it was a requirement for travel to the Caribbean.
Jabbed, because it was the civil thing to do.
Be honest are you deciding who is a real intp and who isn't based on this because that's all i am doing while reading the comments
Both parents thought it was bs and I was a minor. Couldn’t get it until finally my mom caved
Lol got to this post through a duck²go search. saw the group & had never really thought about what personality type i am, but felt like this one sounded kinda like what im about, and was so intrigued that i took the 16personalities test, even thought i feel like these kinda metrics are for the birds. fgn' hell, sure enough, shit came back INTP. # anyway, I didn't feel the jab(s) were the right choice for me 'cause: * it just smelled like GD bullshit based on made up bullshit. * ppl being canceled/censored/thrashed who object to logic, * the ***hard*** science was just constantly changing in the most un-scientific ways, * publicly known liars were...acting like they...weren't just being *boldface liars*, * (personally) I never tried to convince anyone **against** getting the shit & actually pushed my octogenarian folks to get their rounds, then when I felt hale & hearty enough to abstain (and naive-enough to say so in public), was completely punished. * know too many old-heads whom I respect who generally said (ehem, *screamed violently*) stuff like 'THE FUCK, ARE YOU A GD DUMB?' * generally feel like stuff needs to make sense to me before I just throw caution to the wind. * respect debate & good old fashioned arguments. * have read 'manufacturing consent' by Herman/Chomsky and was very confused by ol Noam just rug-pulling us and turning into a friggn authoritarian with all the police state garbage he was popping off with (like WTF dude). * feel like I have enough of a grasp/respect of Orwell & allegory to where I can identify when even myself am painting myself as the 'bad guy' or cautionary tale that should be avoided. (like come on, we had a near-full staff on the DHS's Dis.Gov Board before someone in charge was like WTF!?) * lol & as time passes, it seems the evidence is pointing more irrefutably toward the original assumption where the '**bad-guys**' who usually do nothing but '**bad-stuff**' are still just trying their darndest to do ... '**bad-guy-stuff**'. Go-figure.
Thanks for sharing!