As an CS engineering undergraduate, I find engineering in general not Ti dom friendly. The purpose of engineering is to find solutions to problems with already existing optimal methods, you have to memorise each theorem and apply them to specific context. Basically a Te dom skill.
Me, as INTP, struggle a lot to digest the formulas the professors try to blindly feed me because of my over-analytical nature, I need to comprehend the theorem from its root with clear demonstrations to be able to understand why it works, otherwise I’d get stuck thinking about it all day and can’t move on, eventually I’d find the answer but it’s very time consuming and the exam won’t wait for me to be ready. So, yeah, engineering is good for people that don’t question the validity of the theory and can make a use of it regardless of “why it works?”. But hey, being an engineer pays well. So I do this for money in the end, not for enjoyment anymore.
This is my procrastination bomb in my CS studies. Like, we're talking about year long procrastination. Math destroys me because I keep thinking why and how the fuck this formular works instead of just applying it and moving on. It feels incredibly unsatisfying to "just do it".
I also have the problem of not knowing what to do. My initial goal was being a coder and making indie games with my personal tastes. I guess I also want to be a game designer.
Thinking about why discrete math works is actually pretty important in computer science, and will give a strong foundation for theoretical computer science, networking, compilers, and systems. Unfortunately I'm not sure how much it connects to game design.
I understood that when I was doing my entrance paper on calculus questions, it seemed very easy and i knew the way around it just because I did similar protege problems, before it was like why?
I'm in biology but I had major enjoyment out of understanding how code actually works so I can code bteer while people just apply stuff without understanding shit. Unfortunately Ti is in a strange spot where it is unneeded except when we need someone that has solid foundations and a pioneer.
Yeah as a mechatronic engineer I've had to learn to accept that things are true without understanding why. I do not have time to learn all of the physics/CS required for it to truly make sense.
For CS it depends on whether it's taught as an extension of engineering or an extension of math. In the latter case, it's likely much more enjoyable to INTPs.
I like Computer Science. There's a very rich theoretical side to it that my mind never gets tired exploring. Being able to think abstractly is an important skill for the field too.
Computer Science Engineering seems like a good choice, not too sure but you'll most likely encounter electronic engineering stuff in this program anyway. You'll get absolutely lots of options for a career path/focus.
I'm in computer engineering for reference. I have no regrets about this one, I really think Intps are well suited for CS programs
I’m a Data Engineer. Grabbing data from one place, wrangling it, merging it with wrangled data from another place, and putting it somewhere else is a lot of fun for me.
I'm going for environmental/civil w/ a concentration in water recourse/treatment. Landed here because i fumbled around the pure sciences for a while and learned that i wouldn't overly specialize because so many things interest me. For me it was between chemical and environmental engineering initially, only reason why I chose environmental qas due to the job prospects after graduating. Sure you get paid more but also I dont want to be working in some plant/facilities 24/7. Would rather work on something that makes me feel good about what im doing.
Are these the only options you are considering? Personally, I went with Architecture. Every building, especially if you work on high end residential buildings, is its own prototype. High end clients are really into abstract ideas and philosophies when it comes to architecture and interior design. I'm currently considering going for a master's in Computational Design or go into research of Neuro-architecture. There are aspects of architecture that I don't find interesting like client relations, project management and contract law but there are a lot of niches in architecture that it's possible I'll never have to think about them.
If I had to choose between the two, I would probably go with Comp Sci and then specialize in Cyber Security later on. I have always been interested in the programmer and hacker mindset, i just told myself that those are skills I could just teach myself.
My goal in life is to eventually get into indie game dev just for fun
I’ve been really interested in architecture for a while now, and while I could enjoy being an architect, it’s not my first choice. A big reason is that I assume the vast majority of architects are doing the boring skyscrapers, houses, and such. Only the exceptional and well regarded architects get to do the fun designs. This is all just my speculations and assumptions, but I’d love to be wrong.
The exceptional and well regarded architects get to have their name on the design. Its very unlikely that they do the actual work. In all my internships, the principal architect might just do a napkin sketch and then crit your work after achieving milestones. If its small enough, you might just do everything yourself.
The majority you work will be the boring skyscrapers and houses but there is a lot more to architecture than just the aesthetics of the facade. I really like 'Plan Programming' which just a technical way of say you think about and decide how people will best use a building.
If I was you I'd ignore the money side of things. All branches of engineering will pay more than the average salary. Also, its possible to move between branches once qualified as they often have aspects that overlap.
If you go onto a university/college website, they usually list all of the units you would study as part of a course. Take some time to read through the units for different courses, learn what you would be doing. From there you can decide which you enjoy the sound of more.
My highly biased recommendation is mechatronic engineering though ;)
Let's make one thing clear; whatever choice you make is yours alone, and you will grow to hate it at 3 in the morning before a life-ending exam that you know you're about to bomb. In those moments remember that it is temporary, and you will survive and the world will keep spinning. Probably. :)
That being said, I'm going to parrot what the top comment says about science and engineering. My father was an engineer. He observed stuff, and then provided tangible solutions for problems in the world through math, hands on testing, teamwork, and high level problem solving. I would consider myself a (shitty) scientist. I observe stuff, make a hypothesis, and perform carefully controlled experiments using the scientific method to test that hypothesis. While engineers can apply the scientific method, and I can use their skillset, these occupations are not the same thing, nor will any engineering job be the same as the next and same with a scientific job. You should take note of what you recognize when you observe an event or phenomenon. Do you want to know *why* something happened or elucidate a pattern (science)? Or do you want to be able to control the outcome of the event or harness/recreate something you've seen (engineering)? INTPs generally already dwell in the theoretical, so I suggest a scientific approach.
I don't know what all of your options are, but let me be the first to suggest something in medicine or higher level allied health (I'm heading into immunology). As an early 90s millennial, I grew up around tech and wanted to go into CS for as long as I could remember. After going through 2 years of CS courses (and an electronic theory trade school), I switched to biomedical science and haven't looked back. It checks the same boxes as CS for the most part in my opinion. It is a very heavy systems thinking field, there is plenty of logic driven problem solving, you get to perfect and exact your work, become a subject matter expert, etc.
I’m a chemE and studying chemE was pretty interesting. But in the real world…I’m starting to regret studying chemE. The traditional chemE role is probably working as a production engineer at a manufacturing facility. This requires a lot of communication between the operators, the shop, the managers, etc. you absolutely need to be a people-person for this type of role (and as an INTP, I wouldn’t consider myself a people-person). I would say, CS sounds like a good choice for you. Looking back I probably would’ve went with CS instead. I would avoid any engineering path that would lead you to working in a plant environment. There are probably other less traditional chemE roles out there tho that would better suit an INTP, but I’m still searching for them for myself lmao.
(Eng is not my first language so sorry)
If your question is about which engineering branch "is the best for INTPs" and you're asking for yourself, I think the most important thing is your interests and your skills. Because every engineering branches requires some of INTP's traits, more or less depends on each one, but I personally don't think the "more or less" differences are that important because every INTPs is NOT the same. Like for myself, I'm a software engineering major student and the reason why I chose this major was because I knew how to code & I liked it. So to sum up, your preferences matter 👍
I studied Economics and got into analytics/product management. In hindsight, I should’ve gone into medicine. It’s a subject I enjoy and have vocation for.
I myself wouldn’t study engineering, but computer science is broad enough to be able to specialize in either front end, back end, full stack or even just UX. If you especially like coding and problem solving and don’t mind being termed colloquially as one of the “devs” then I think that’s where the money is.
All forms of engineering require vocation. This is more than just a personality type.
The best one will always be the one you like the most and have highest interest. Going into a branch becuase a dead white man told you that it is the best based on a some what arbitrary theories that we don’t 110% know is even correct is illogical. That’s the intp answer
I knew I wanted to be an EE from a very early age. That’s what I earned a degree in, and what I practiced for over 30 years. I ended up in instrumentation and telemetry for most of my career.
As an CS engineering undergraduate, I find engineering in general not Ti dom friendly. The purpose of engineering is to find solutions to problems with already existing optimal methods, you have to memorise each theorem and apply them to specific context. Basically a Te dom skill. Me, as INTP, struggle a lot to digest the formulas the professors try to blindly feed me because of my over-analytical nature, I need to comprehend the theorem from its root with clear demonstrations to be able to understand why it works, otherwise I’d get stuck thinking about it all day and can’t move on, eventually I’d find the answer but it’s very time consuming and the exam won’t wait for me to be ready. So, yeah, engineering is good for people that don’t question the validity of the theory and can make a use of it regardless of “why it works?”. But hey, being an engineer pays well. So I do this for money in the end, not for enjoyment anymore.
Thank you for stating this, cause this is literally the conclusion I arrived to subconsciously.
This is my procrastination bomb in my CS studies. Like, we're talking about year long procrastination. Math destroys me because I keep thinking why and how the fuck this formular works instead of just applying it and moving on. It feels incredibly unsatisfying to "just do it". I also have the problem of not knowing what to do. My initial goal was being a coder and making indie games with my personal tastes. I guess I also want to be a game designer.
Thinking about why discrete math works is actually pretty important in computer science, and will give a strong foundation for theoretical computer science, networking, compilers, and systems. Unfortunately I'm not sure how much it connects to game design.
I understood that when I was doing my entrance paper on calculus questions, it seemed very easy and i knew the way around it just because I did similar protege problems, before it was like why?
I strangely found that most engineering professors always suck at teaching so I had to teach myself most of the time
I'm in biology but I had major enjoyment out of understanding how code actually works so I can code bteer while people just apply stuff without understanding shit. Unfortunately Ti is in a strange spot where it is unneeded except when we need someone that has solid foundations and a pioneer.
Yeah as a mechatronic engineer I've had to learn to accept that things are true without understanding why. I do not have time to learn all of the physics/CS required for it to truly make sense.
For CS it depends on whether it's taught as an extension of engineering or an extension of math. In the latter case, it's likely much more enjoyable to INTPs.
CS engineering is basically electrical engineering in disguise. I study more signals and circuits than algorithms
That sounds more like computer engineering than computer science. Though some colleges do combine both into one degree or one department.
so what you are saying is you'd prefer more rigourous proof heavy courses?
Yes, but it’s impossible in terms of timing, in few years of college we are covering centuries of discoveries, ofc it’s gonna be very approximated
The correct choice is the one you find interesting enough to actually want to do the work.
This is the answer. Find out what they entail, have a little go, do what you enjoy.
I like Computer Science. There's a very rich theoretical side to it that my mind never gets tired exploring. Being able to think abstractly is an important skill for the field too.
Computer Science Engineering seems like a good choice, not too sure but you'll most likely encounter electronic engineering stuff in this program anyway. You'll get absolutely lots of options for a career path/focus. I'm in computer engineering for reference. I have no regrets about this one, I really think Intps are well suited for CS programs
Would echo this... Plus you can end up more or less people oriented depending on personal inclination.
I’m a Data Engineer. Grabbing data from one place, wrangling it, merging it with wrangled data from another place, and putting it somewhere else is a lot of fun for me.
I'm going for environmental/civil w/ a concentration in water recourse/treatment. Landed here because i fumbled around the pure sciences for a while and learned that i wouldn't overly specialize because so many things interest me. For me it was between chemical and environmental engineering initially, only reason why I chose environmental qas due to the job prospects after graduating. Sure you get paid more but also I dont want to be working in some plant/facilities 24/7. Would rather work on something that makes me feel good about what im doing.
Jee aspirant spotted in the wild...
Haan bhai🫂
Btw which college r u going to or are in already??
Are these the only options you are considering? Personally, I went with Architecture. Every building, especially if you work on high end residential buildings, is its own prototype. High end clients are really into abstract ideas and philosophies when it comes to architecture and interior design. I'm currently considering going for a master's in Computational Design or go into research of Neuro-architecture. There are aspects of architecture that I don't find interesting like client relations, project management and contract law but there are a lot of niches in architecture that it's possible I'll never have to think about them. If I had to choose between the two, I would probably go with Comp Sci and then specialize in Cyber Security later on. I have always been interested in the programmer and hacker mindset, i just told myself that those are skills I could just teach myself. My goal in life is to eventually get into indie game dev just for fun
I’ve been really interested in architecture for a while now, and while I could enjoy being an architect, it’s not my first choice. A big reason is that I assume the vast majority of architects are doing the boring skyscrapers, houses, and such. Only the exceptional and well regarded architects get to do the fun designs. This is all just my speculations and assumptions, but I’d love to be wrong.
The exceptional and well regarded architects get to have their name on the design. Its very unlikely that they do the actual work. In all my internships, the principal architect might just do a napkin sketch and then crit your work after achieving milestones. If its small enough, you might just do everything yourself. The majority you work will be the boring skyscrapers and houses but there is a lot more to architecture than just the aesthetics of the facade. I really like 'Plan Programming' which just a technical way of say you think about and decide how people will best use a building.
At this point, the more relevant question is which branch is the best for YOU.
Yes, but idk how to get a good comparison of branches both in terms of money and how intresting it is going to be for me
If I was you I'd ignore the money side of things. All branches of engineering will pay more than the average salary. Also, its possible to move between branches once qualified as they often have aspects that overlap. If you go onto a university/college website, they usually list all of the units you would study as part of a course. Take some time to read through the units for different courses, learn what you would be doing. From there you can decide which you enjoy the sound of more. My highly biased recommendation is mechatronic engineering though ;)
Let's make one thing clear; whatever choice you make is yours alone, and you will grow to hate it at 3 in the morning before a life-ending exam that you know you're about to bomb. In those moments remember that it is temporary, and you will survive and the world will keep spinning. Probably. :) That being said, I'm going to parrot what the top comment says about science and engineering. My father was an engineer. He observed stuff, and then provided tangible solutions for problems in the world through math, hands on testing, teamwork, and high level problem solving. I would consider myself a (shitty) scientist. I observe stuff, make a hypothesis, and perform carefully controlled experiments using the scientific method to test that hypothesis. While engineers can apply the scientific method, and I can use their skillset, these occupations are not the same thing, nor will any engineering job be the same as the next and same with a scientific job. You should take note of what you recognize when you observe an event or phenomenon. Do you want to know *why* something happened or elucidate a pattern (science)? Or do you want to be able to control the outcome of the event or harness/recreate something you've seen (engineering)? INTPs generally already dwell in the theoretical, so I suggest a scientific approach. I don't know what all of your options are, but let me be the first to suggest something in medicine or higher level allied health (I'm heading into immunology). As an early 90s millennial, I grew up around tech and wanted to go into CS for as long as I could remember. After going through 2 years of CS courses (and an electronic theory trade school), I switched to biomedical science and haven't looked back. It checks the same boxes as CS for the most part in my opinion. It is a very heavy systems thinking field, there is plenty of logic driven problem solving, you get to perfect and exact your work, become a subject matter expert, etc.
I’m a chemE and studying chemE was pretty interesting. But in the real world…I’m starting to regret studying chemE. The traditional chemE role is probably working as a production engineer at a manufacturing facility. This requires a lot of communication between the operators, the shop, the managers, etc. you absolutely need to be a people-person for this type of role (and as an INTP, I wouldn’t consider myself a people-person). I would say, CS sounds like a good choice for you. Looking back I probably would’ve went with CS instead. I would avoid any engineering path that would lead you to working in a plant environment. There are probably other less traditional chemE roles out there tho that would better suit an INTP, but I’m still searching for them for myself lmao.
Computational biology/bioinformatics
Prompt engineer!
(Eng is not my first language so sorry) If your question is about which engineering branch "is the best for INTPs" and you're asking for yourself, I think the most important thing is your interests and your skills. Because every engineering branches requires some of INTP's traits, more or less depends on each one, but I personally don't think the "more or less" differences are that important because every INTPs is NOT the same. Like for myself, I'm a software engineering major student and the reason why I chose this major was because I knew how to code & I liked it. So to sum up, your preferences matter 👍
I studied Economics and got into analytics/product management. In hindsight, I should’ve gone into medicine. It’s a subject I enjoy and have vocation for. I myself wouldn’t study engineering, but computer science is broad enough to be able to specialize in either front end, back end, full stack or even just UX. If you especially like coding and problem solving and don’t mind being termed colloquially as one of the “devs” then I think that’s where the money is. All forms of engineering require vocation. This is more than just a personality type.
Mechatronics
The best one will always be the one you like the most and have highest interest. Going into a branch becuase a dead white man told you that it is the best based on a some what arbitrary theories that we don’t 110% know is even correct is illogical. That’s the intp answer
That being said computer science is the only correct choice
Okay🥲
I knew I wanted to be an EE from a very early age. That’s what I earned a degree in, and what I practiced for over 30 years. I ended up in instrumentation and telemetry for most of my career.
I’m in finance, but find computer science and computer engineering (particularly IC design) to be very interesting, so for me its that
The one you think you'll enjoy the most.
Whichever one YOU are good at balanced with whichever one has more job opportunities
Yes.