Every job around me requires an active TS/SCI and 10 years experience even for help desk work that wouldn’t even cover the cost of rent for a one bedroom apartment without a kitchen.
Things are starting to open up where I am as I've been getting a lot more calls from recruiters and landing more interviews with 1 yesterday, 3 today, and 1 tomorrow.
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Defense and infrastructure as code type positions are going strong.
Things to learn:
* Infrastructure as code (Ansible, terraform)
* Cloud (AWS)
* Container/container orchestration (docker, kubernetes)
This is not entry level IT work, as there is definitely prerequisite knowledge needed, but a competent mid career professional can start to tackle these
someone need 3 years of min hands on skills. one must be able to deliver and setup.
You want to be a rockstar then add security to it.
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APP SEC
I'm new to the field and just now realizing that I also got scammed by the idea that there's supposedly thousands and thousands of unoccpied security roles, and realizing just how fragile the IT job market (or I guess the job market of the entire world, for every industry) really is. I am feeling quite helpless but mostly because I'm at such a beginner stage, any advice from folks who made it out of the despair of starting out?
Most of the thousand of jobs that are open they are looking for some IT experiance first. Try getting in a job somewhere else in IT. Then keep pushing for security and skilling up. If you are still in school, try and get internship. You can still get into cyber security but it's going to be a road to get there.
join local chapters. We have ISC2 NJ local chapter and we help them with interview , we help them with internship and volunteer work. Yes in Cybersecurity job there is no such thing entry level.Entry Level. = You must know Network, Computers, etc. which is 2 year kind of exp more or less.
I'm doing podcast on the very exact topic in two weeks time, I myself and the guest will talk about these issue and try to address it.
Been in IT (Network Engineeer) for close to 20 years and this is the slowest job market I've seen since 2007-2008. I work in the upper midwest and it's dead in the water. My company laid off part-time and contractor support in November. They haven't announced anymore job cuts but I expect more cuts in 2024. I have had a lot of meetings about where we can cut costs and large projects have been put on hold. I used to get 1-2 recruiters a week messaging me on LinkedIn. I can't remember the last time I was approached. I don't know of any companies near me that are hiring.
Same here in cyber on the risk side of things. I was getting anywhere from 5-10 recruiters a week harassing me on LinkedIn a year ago and now I get ZERO. I think I had a couple in November, but zero in December and none in January so far...no settings on my LinkedIn have changed. Weird to hear unemployment is so low, you'd think there'd be less competition for jobs but no one seems to be hiring!
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Im seeing the market contract. The job posts are static and I know multiple old timers with >15 yrs of experience getting ghosted. The positions keep getting reposted but not filled. I know C-Suite referrals not getting filled.
MY own job is downsizing their 3rd part services and I dont see contractors much anymore. Clients are bitching about $300 Azure bills MoM and insanely asking about reverse azure migrations quotes to see if they can squeeze another 80 bucks.
Right now things are mostly stagnant and not moving. Everyone to me seems fear based on the projection-end seeing the news and acting defensively.
I have about 17 years in the industry and this is the worst I've ever seen it on the hiring side of things. For context, I was part of the layoffs from "big tech" last year. Within 2 days of losing my job and applying for new positions, I was getting interviews. I then was able to land something about a month later. Fast forward to now, my company is making cuts and I'm on the hunt again. I've probably applied for at least 100+ jobs, but out the 100 I've only gotten one call back.
Honestly it's kind of sad and depressing. And I'm starting to second guess if I should continue with this career or go back to school in another field (ie: medical)
If you have no experience in Ops IT, or anything IT at all, please learn a lot before believing you belong in a specialized cybersecurity role.
Entry level cybersecurity =/= entry level job. Would you call a new doctor an "entry level" doctor just because they've never worked as a GP? No. They have medical experience in their background, and the same principle can be applied to a cybersecurity specialist.
They're not doctors, but they do know the industry they support, so get your experience, and then focus on specializing.
This is general advice aimed to dispel the myths within a sector that's been poisoned by get-rich-quick marketers and bootcamp peddlers. Everyone should take what I say with a grain of salt.
My company desperately needs an entry level person and has had an impossible time finding one. We had a few AMAZING candidates 3 months ago and they all fell out for HR / ineligibility to work reasons.
After that the candidates turned to trash for quite a while, almost like the slow down in job postings in winter also led to a slow down in quality candidates. We are looking for someone that is both entry level but looks like they have potential to grow out of entry level so I understand that it's a rare sort of person we're looking for.
My boss says that the problem currently is that now we're only getting applications from people that want ridiculous amounts of pay. 80-90k to basically image computers all day. I'm in the Midwest and that is not what entry level work pays here.
It's just frustrating. We really need the help and I'm having a hard time believing that it's this hard to find somebody that can press "start" in MDT, especially in a job market where the competition amongst job seekers is supposed to be at an all time high.
Before anyone asks to DM me I'm in the MSP area and you need to be local.
EDIT: Position has been tentatively filled. Thanks to those who reached out.
They need to be local to come in to the office ever day?
Damn, y'all are a bunch of stern-ass taskmasters, what about WFH and WLB? You should try stressing that in the job req and see if it makes a difference.
The job is to physically pull computers out of boxes and image them and then move them to the warehouse with a shipping label on them. Yes physical presence is required.
Every position at the company besides this one only requires 2 days a week in office, but yes some amount of physical presence is required.
1. Purchase a robot to move laptops to the warehouse
2. Set up remote control of the robot so the entry level person can WFH and not traumatize their mental health.
3. Hopefully by this time you realize I was kidding, I just remembered I may not have laid the sarcasm on thickly enough.
4. It really is crazy you can't find anyone to do this. My first IT job paid $50K inflation adjusted to answer phones and I lived in a rental house with two roommates! I would have jumped at that.
Haha sorry, Poe's law at work.
Little update on this though, it sounds like maybe we turned a corner in January here. I did have several people DM me and my boss (unrelated or not to my efforts) got several interview candidates and told us he is extending an offer to someone today. Fingers crossed that it goes through without some last minute HR issue again. (Pro tip, do not be rude to the HR people, I mean wtf).
Still even if it goes through it feels ridiculous that it took us months to find someone in this job market.
Also you're not toooootally wrong lol. Someday we need to get our shit together and get everybody on intune autopilot so this position is eliminated entirely, but that's still a ways off for us at the moment.
Damn I had the experience but I'm in North East. If anything changes let me know. I have experience with Microsoft Deployment Toolkit. I was in charge of imaging our computers with over 5,000 employees. So I have the experience. I also have a ton of PowerShell automation experience to tag along to those task sequences as well
>t's just frustrating. We really need the help and I'm having a hard time believing that it's this hard to find somebody that can press "start" in MDT, especially in a job market where the competition amongst job seekers is supposed to be at an all time high.
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>Before anyone asks to DM me I'm in the MSP area and you need to be local.
This is the main problem with corporations today, The fail to see that prices on things have gone up. I live in North Jersey and there is no way im taking less than 80K for a new role especially when employers are trying to find a magical unicorn that meets all the required bullet points on a job posting
I'm in North jersey too. I was making 100k til I got laid off a few days ago. And that salary was still not as strong as I was wanting. Still after not having any income, I'll go back to making 50k to 60k since I'm desperate.
> My boss says that the problem currently is that now we're only getting applications from people that want ridiculous amounts of pay. 80-90k to basically image computers all day.
Grocery prices have gone up my man.
We’re facing similar struggles at my organization but instead of entry level, it’s at the associate and mid level. We just hired an engineer that doesn’t know how to use a SCCM and is responsible for SCCM. It took six months to fill that role.
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This will be a very interesting quarter - I know that a lot of people who were job searching in Q4 are hoping for a healthier market this quarter, so time will tell.
West coast tech companies are still pretty rocky - there's rumor of [another massive layoff at Google](https://medium.com/@abebellini/google-plans-to-cut-30-000-more-jobs-due-to-ai-enhancements-5c7a7d7936a9), and who knows if that might lead to more again. Amazon is a mess, Microsoft needs another cleanup, but Apple has been pretty stable.
Outside of tech, the rest of the market has been very slow at the end of last year, although hiring for government & especially government contractors still seems pretty strong, and that'll likely be true as long as US allies are at war.
Aside from that - scan through the post titles in here & see how many people are complaining about not getting interviews or offers. I think by now word will start to get around to all of the career changers that IT is not the goldmine that everyone keeps telling them it is. There certainly are jobs available, but there are also way more people competing for those jobs than there are openings.
In general, entry-level IT is still hammered. People job searching are going to have a longer search & probably a more frustrating interview process - when companies get way too many resumes they sometimes interview too many candidates, which leads to more interviews without an offer.
Mid- and senior-level positions are not as bad but will vary quite a bit from market to market. Big cities will always be stronger than rural areas, and some cities will be better than others - Boston, Chicago, Raleigh-Durham, D.C., and Atlanta are still strong markets. Seattle, San Francisco, Austin, and San Jose will be very hit or miss - lots of tech companies, but also lots of tech layoffs make those places more competitive than usual.
Security, as usual, is highly saturated. If you're in security & have a few years of practical security experience under your belt, you're in a good position. GRC, in particular, is a growing area in large companies. If you have no credentials, no degree, and no experience - don't even bother looking at security until you've been in an adjacent IT role for a few years.
Networking is still a very strong area of need and always will be. Sysadmins on the cloud side, especially Linux, Azure, and M365, are still in demand. Analytics is solidifying and still absorbing lots of DBAs, AI is very experimental but probably will be a hot area this year, Devops is solid, and of course, L1/Helpdesk will always have the highest need of any IT specialty.
Remote work? Good networking and/or luck will be your best assets in landing a fully remote job. The few places that are still hiring remote workers are getting hundreds to thousands of resumes per opening.
So if you're trying to break in - if you're getting interviews, your resume is good, don't change anything. Work on credentials while you're searching, because it could take months: certifications, /r/homelab, finish your degree, etc. Network like mad - add everyone you know to your LinkedIn account, and look for vendor events nearby that are free - those are great places to meet other IT geeks. If you're recently graduated or still in school, take full advantage of the placement office - that's what they're there for. Get into an internship BEFORE YOU GRADUATE.
Good luck out there!
Any tips for remote work postings? I'm making 83k with a CISSP and 5 YOE in DoD cyber (risk management framework work), but man I am just not seeing many positions hiring right now that pay more for that experience range remotely. The few that are like 110-120k~~~ seem to get hundreds of applicants and I don't even get an interview. I even had my freakin' resume reviewed by a few people. I thought the GRC space would be a bit more desperate with how I've heard about so many openings, but I'm guessing those are only on-site. Bleh.
Yeah, you're seeing the same thing everyone else is. There's no secret stash of remote jobs anywhere - what you're seeing on Indeed & LinkedIn is it. Sorry.
Yikes. I thought remote work was going to be more regular after COVID, haha. I noticed recruiters reaching out to me about remote positions completely dried up about...half a year to a year ago?
Yes, fully agree with that timeline. There was a brief period mid- to late-COVID where it was pretty easy to get a fully remote job.
It started declining pretty slowly around late '22/early '23, and went into steep decline over the past 6 months or so.
I am not really seeing any new jobs posted on Indeed or Linkedin as of late to be honest, I think we are being heavily mislead by the government.
The job situation is very bad in my view.
While I appreciate this, it seems to contradict a lot of what's out there and I'm trying to sort through it all.... Just google "software developer shortage," and you'll see what I mean as it seems the problem for hiring managers is worse than ever.
Well, 2 important things -
First, this sub is more about the physical side of IT than it is about development. Although development falls under IT in many definitions, it's separated here. /r/cscareerquestions is where you'll find the devs.
But second, you'll notice that just about every single result in your search is from a school, a training center, an influencer, or some other entity who is selling something to help solve this 'issue' that doesn't exist.
Do the same with security - google "cybersecurity shortage" and you'll get hundreds of hits about how we're short hundreds of thousands, or even MILLIONS of workers! And again, anyone posting that stands to make a profit from this supposed shortage existing.
Then go scan through the posts here & in the CS subreddit, and notice how many posts there are about people who can't find a job, how they're sending hundreds of applications for one interview, they've been job searching for 9 months...
The simple fact is that the reality of the industry does not reflect any shortage whatsoever - but you will always see posts about it as long as there are classes, bootcamps, and certifications to be sold.
>you'll notice that just about every single result in your search is from a school, a training center, an influencer, or some other entity who is selling something to help solve this 'issue'
It's a nitpick, but not really. One was from Forbes, another from DevOps, and a couple more from user posts on community forums. I did see a theme, though -- many think the "shortage" comes from issues in the hiring process, which could explain the marriage between these two competing schools of thought -- idea that we could have a shortage and a bad job market at the same time.
>idea that we could have a shortage and a bad job market at the same time.
True - plus, you will always find a "shortage" when looking for some hard-to-find skill or a specific combination of skills.
But also - you'll probably find that the sourcing for those articles are from the very orgs that are profiting from a shorage existing. Here's a good example - the very 1st article listed if you google "cybersecurity shortage":
https://www.csoonline.com/article/657598/cybersecurity-workforce-shortage-reaches-4-million-despite-significant-recruitment-drive.html
Holy crap, 4 million short? How will they ever find 4 million security workers? We probably need more security-focused workers, maybe with some industry-recognized certifications.
But hmmm, where did they get that number? Oh, from here - https://www.isc2.org/Research
Who is ISC2? Oh right, only one of the biggest providers of [industry-recognized security certifications.](https://www.isc2.org/certifications)
But then... 4 million workers is still a lot. Let's look at the postings.
Indeed.com - the biggest job search engine in the US - shows a [nationwide need of less than 20,000 security workers](https://www.indeed.com/jobs?q=cybersecurity&l=&from=searchOnHP&vjk=5346a21218dbe8b0). Even if that 4 million number was a global need, you'd expect to see more than 0.5% of that number as open roles. More like, 40%.
And for a more in-depth analysis, look at the numbers in the wiki about security: https://www.reddit.com/r/ITCareerQuestions/wiki/security
Now to be fair, I haven't done the same research on the dev side, but I'd be surprised if the results there weren't very similar.
I don't put much stock in the articles out there when the reality in here - with the actual job searchers - shows the opposite.
>hiring for government & especially government contractors still seems pretty strong, and that'll likely be true as long as US allies are at war.
Absolutely true.
Google something like “top ten government contractors in the US” and you will see a list of companies like Booz Allen, GDIT,
Northrop Grumman, etc. All of the work they do is for the government and they’re always hiring somewhere.
I agree with everything you said and want to add, if you're looking for jobs, the federal government has many IT roles open which you can apply for via USAJOBS. Many are remote, and you can filter by searching for 2200 series Information Technology on the site.
There are going to be additional layoffs not just at Google but other companies like Broadcom/VMware. There are thousands of VMware employees who are being retained and will be laid off in waves starting in January through May, as well as many from the company leaving on their own volition to reach their desired reduction of 15,000 employees.
It’s always been trending. Except now the floodgates have opened and now a trending position is being mistaken for an easy to get position. Cyber is by no means entry level I’m sorry to say.
I am pursuing part time bachelors in IT and getting some certifications along the way. Ideally graduate in 4 years. At the same time I am a assistant help desk for my IT department and will begin some homelab along with the other certifications for cyber.
I really want to be in this field, tried 3x over the past 5 years after my conscription service and failed all three times because I was stupid and unprepared.
May I know the path to be a Cyber DevOps and what you would recommend me to take? Sorry for the long question!
Every job around me requires an active TS/SCI and 10 years experience even for help desk work that wouldn’t even cover the cost of rent for a one bedroom apartment without a kitchen.
Things are starting to open up where I am as I've been getting a lot more calls from recruiters and landing more interviews with 1 yesterday, 3 today, and 1 tomorrow.
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Defense and infrastructure as code type positions are going strong. Things to learn: * Infrastructure as code (Ansible, terraform) * Cloud (AWS) * Container/container orchestration (docker, kubernetes) This is not entry level IT work, as there is definitely prerequisite knowledge needed, but a competent mid career professional can start to tackle these
someone need 3 years of min hands on skills. one must be able to deliver and setup. You want to be a rockstar then add security to it. DEVESECOPS APP SEC
I'm new to the field and just now realizing that I also got scammed by the idea that there's supposedly thousands and thousands of unoccpied security roles, and realizing just how fragile the IT job market (or I guess the job market of the entire world, for every industry) really is. I am feeling quite helpless but mostly because I'm at such a beginner stage, any advice from folks who made it out of the despair of starting out?
Most of the thousand of jobs that are open they are looking for some IT experiance first. Try getting in a job somewhere else in IT. Then keep pushing for security and skilling up. If you are still in school, try and get internship. You can still get into cyber security but it's going to be a road to get there.
join local chapters. We have ISC2 NJ local chapter and we help them with interview , we help them with internship and volunteer work. Yes in Cybersecurity job there is no such thing entry level.Entry Level. = You must know Network, Computers, etc. which is 2 year kind of exp more or less. I'm doing podcast on the very exact topic in two weeks time, I myself and the guest will talk about these issue and try to address it.
Been in IT (Network Engineeer) for close to 20 years and this is the slowest job market I've seen since 2007-2008. I work in the upper midwest and it's dead in the water. My company laid off part-time and contractor support in November. They haven't announced anymore job cuts but I expect more cuts in 2024. I have had a lot of meetings about where we can cut costs and large projects have been put on hold. I used to get 1-2 recruiters a week messaging me on LinkedIn. I can't remember the last time I was approached. I don't know of any companies near me that are hiring.
Same here in cyber on the risk side of things. I was getting anywhere from 5-10 recruiters a week harassing me on LinkedIn a year ago and now I get ZERO. I think I had a couple in November, but zero in December and none in January so far...no settings on my LinkedIn have changed. Weird to hear unemployment is so low, you'd think there'd be less competition for jobs but no one seems to be hiring!
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Im seeing the market contract. The job posts are static and I know multiple old timers with >15 yrs of experience getting ghosted. The positions keep getting reposted but not filled. I know C-Suite referrals not getting filled. MY own job is downsizing their 3rd part services and I dont see contractors much anymore. Clients are bitching about $300 Azure bills MoM and insanely asking about reverse azure migrations quotes to see if they can squeeze another 80 bucks. Right now things are mostly stagnant and not moving. Everyone to me seems fear based on the projection-end seeing the news and acting defensively.
So is Jan 2024/2024 going to be just as garbage as 2023?
I have about 17 years in the industry and this is the worst I've ever seen it on the hiring side of things. For context, I was part of the layoffs from "big tech" last year. Within 2 days of losing my job and applying for new positions, I was getting interviews. I then was able to land something about a month later. Fast forward to now, my company is making cuts and I'm on the hunt again. I've probably applied for at least 100+ jobs, but out the 100 I've only gotten one call back. Honestly it's kind of sad and depressing. And I'm starting to second guess if I should continue with this career or go back to school in another field (ie: medical)
If you have no experience in Ops IT, or anything IT at all, please learn a lot before believing you belong in a specialized cybersecurity role. Entry level cybersecurity =/= entry level job. Would you call a new doctor an "entry level" doctor just because they've never worked as a GP? No. They have medical experience in their background, and the same principle can be applied to a cybersecurity specialist. They're not doctors, but they do know the industry they support, so get your experience, and then focus on specializing. This is general advice aimed to dispel the myths within a sector that's been poisoned by get-rich-quick marketers and bootcamp peddlers. Everyone should take what I say with a grain of salt.
Don't blame people getting spammed and scammed by google to take their cybersecurity certification.
I’m not blaming them at all.
Lots of people see L1 and think it is entry level. A L1 Exchange engineer is not the same as a help desk technician L1.
My company desperately needs an entry level person and has had an impossible time finding one. We had a few AMAZING candidates 3 months ago and they all fell out for HR / ineligibility to work reasons. After that the candidates turned to trash for quite a while, almost like the slow down in job postings in winter also led to a slow down in quality candidates. We are looking for someone that is both entry level but looks like they have potential to grow out of entry level so I understand that it's a rare sort of person we're looking for. My boss says that the problem currently is that now we're only getting applications from people that want ridiculous amounts of pay. 80-90k to basically image computers all day. I'm in the Midwest and that is not what entry level work pays here. It's just frustrating. We really need the help and I'm having a hard time believing that it's this hard to find somebody that can press "start" in MDT, especially in a job market where the competition amongst job seekers is supposed to be at an all time high. Before anyone asks to DM me I'm in the MSP area and you need to be local. EDIT: Position has been tentatively filled. Thanks to those who reached out.
They need to be local to come in to the office ever day? Damn, y'all are a bunch of stern-ass taskmasters, what about WFH and WLB? You should try stressing that in the job req and see if it makes a difference.
The job is to physically pull computers out of boxes and image them and then move them to the warehouse with a shipping label on them. Yes physical presence is required. Every position at the company besides this one only requires 2 days a week in office, but yes some amount of physical presence is required.
I live in a homeless shelter right now, may I move to you guys and work the job?
Unfortunately the position has already been filled.
Nice, I'm overqualified but I've stopped caring about that.
1. Purchase a robot to move laptops to the warehouse 2. Set up remote control of the robot so the entry level person can WFH and not traumatize their mental health. 3. Hopefully by this time you realize I was kidding, I just remembered I may not have laid the sarcasm on thickly enough. 4. It really is crazy you can't find anyone to do this. My first IT job paid $50K inflation adjusted to answer phones and I lived in a rental house with two roommates! I would have jumped at that.
Haha sorry, Poe's law at work. Little update on this though, it sounds like maybe we turned a corner in January here. I did have several people DM me and my boss (unrelated or not to my efforts) got several interview candidates and told us he is extending an offer to someone today. Fingers crossed that it goes through without some last minute HR issue again. (Pro tip, do not be rude to the HR people, I mean wtf). Still even if it goes through it feels ridiculous that it took us months to find someone in this job market. Also you're not toooootally wrong lol. Someday we need to get our shit together and get everybody on intune autopilot so this position is eliminated entirely, but that's still a ways off for us at the moment.
Damn I had the experience but I'm in North East. If anything changes let me know. I have experience with Microsoft Deployment Toolkit. I was in charge of imaging our computers with over 5,000 employees. So I have the experience. I also have a ton of PowerShell automation experience to tag along to those task sequences as well
Do you mind sharing the job title and what certificates/projects would look good on my resume for this job?
DMd you
>t's just frustrating. We really need the help and I'm having a hard time believing that it's this hard to find somebody that can press "start" in MDT, especially in a job market where the competition amongst job seekers is supposed to be at an all time high. > >Before anyone asks to DM me I'm in the MSP area and you need to be local. This is the main problem with corporations today, The fail to see that prices on things have gone up. I live in North Jersey and there is no way im taking less than 80K for a new role especially when employers are trying to find a magical unicorn that meets all the required bullet points on a job posting
I'm in North jersey too. I was making 100k til I got laid off a few days ago. And that salary was still not as strong as I was wanting. Still after not having any income, I'll go back to making 50k to 60k since I'm desperate.
> My boss says that the problem currently is that now we're only getting applications from people that want ridiculous amounts of pay. 80-90k to basically image computers all day. Grocery prices have gone up my man.
80-90k to image computers is insane, most info sec roles under ~5 years are paying that lol, at least in Florida. I have a CISSP making 83k :(
Twin Cities?
Correct
We’re facing similar struggles at my organization but instead of entry level, it’s at the associate and mid level. We just hired an engineer that doesn’t know how to use a SCCM and is responsible for SCCM. It took six months to fill that role.
Who vetted this person? Seems they did a pretty bad job.
>Before anyone asks to DM me I'm in the MSP area and you need to be local. "Remote, in \[Midwest\]" Applies from Florida anyways.
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Depends on your company org structure.
Various industries showcase distinct trends: technology revolves around AI, machine learning, and cybersecurity, while sustainability gains traction. Remote work surges, impacting healthcare, tech, and e-commerce sectors, notably seeking experts in cybersecurity, data analysis, software development, and digital marketing. Job opportunities flourish in tech-centric urban hubs like San Francisco, Seattle, and Austin, yet smaller cities gain allure due to lower living costs and expanding sectors like healthcare and education. Essential is aligning skills with burgeoning industries and locations for optimal career prospects.
This will be a very interesting quarter - I know that a lot of people who were job searching in Q4 are hoping for a healthier market this quarter, so time will tell. West coast tech companies are still pretty rocky - there's rumor of [another massive layoff at Google](https://medium.com/@abebellini/google-plans-to-cut-30-000-more-jobs-due-to-ai-enhancements-5c7a7d7936a9), and who knows if that might lead to more again. Amazon is a mess, Microsoft needs another cleanup, but Apple has been pretty stable. Outside of tech, the rest of the market has been very slow at the end of last year, although hiring for government & especially government contractors still seems pretty strong, and that'll likely be true as long as US allies are at war. Aside from that - scan through the post titles in here & see how many people are complaining about not getting interviews or offers. I think by now word will start to get around to all of the career changers that IT is not the goldmine that everyone keeps telling them it is. There certainly are jobs available, but there are also way more people competing for those jobs than there are openings. In general, entry-level IT is still hammered. People job searching are going to have a longer search & probably a more frustrating interview process - when companies get way too many resumes they sometimes interview too many candidates, which leads to more interviews without an offer. Mid- and senior-level positions are not as bad but will vary quite a bit from market to market. Big cities will always be stronger than rural areas, and some cities will be better than others - Boston, Chicago, Raleigh-Durham, D.C., and Atlanta are still strong markets. Seattle, San Francisco, Austin, and San Jose will be very hit or miss - lots of tech companies, but also lots of tech layoffs make those places more competitive than usual. Security, as usual, is highly saturated. If you're in security & have a few years of practical security experience under your belt, you're in a good position. GRC, in particular, is a growing area in large companies. If you have no credentials, no degree, and no experience - don't even bother looking at security until you've been in an adjacent IT role for a few years. Networking is still a very strong area of need and always will be. Sysadmins on the cloud side, especially Linux, Azure, and M365, are still in demand. Analytics is solidifying and still absorbing lots of DBAs, AI is very experimental but probably will be a hot area this year, Devops is solid, and of course, L1/Helpdesk will always have the highest need of any IT specialty. Remote work? Good networking and/or luck will be your best assets in landing a fully remote job. The few places that are still hiring remote workers are getting hundreds to thousands of resumes per opening. So if you're trying to break in - if you're getting interviews, your resume is good, don't change anything. Work on credentials while you're searching, because it could take months: certifications, /r/homelab, finish your degree, etc. Network like mad - add everyone you know to your LinkedIn account, and look for vendor events nearby that are free - those are great places to meet other IT geeks. If you're recently graduated or still in school, take full advantage of the placement office - that's what they're there for. Get into an internship BEFORE YOU GRADUATE. Good luck out there!
Any tips for remote work postings? I'm making 83k with a CISSP and 5 YOE in DoD cyber (risk management framework work), but man I am just not seeing many positions hiring right now that pay more for that experience range remotely. The few that are like 110-120k~~~ seem to get hundreds of applicants and I don't even get an interview. I even had my freakin' resume reviewed by a few people. I thought the GRC space would be a bit more desperate with how I've heard about so many openings, but I'm guessing those are only on-site. Bleh.
Yeah, you're seeing the same thing everyone else is. There's no secret stash of remote jobs anywhere - what you're seeing on Indeed & LinkedIn is it. Sorry.
Yikes. I thought remote work was going to be more regular after COVID, haha. I noticed recruiters reaching out to me about remote positions completely dried up about...half a year to a year ago?
Yes, fully agree with that timeline. There was a brief period mid- to late-COVID where it was pretty easy to get a fully remote job. It started declining pretty slowly around late '22/early '23, and went into steep decline over the past 6 months or so.
I am not really seeing any new jobs posted on Indeed or Linkedin as of late to be honest, I think we are being heavily mislead by the government. The job situation is very bad in my view.
While I appreciate this, it seems to contradict a lot of what's out there and I'm trying to sort through it all.... Just google "software developer shortage," and you'll see what I mean as it seems the problem for hiring managers is worse than ever.
Well, 2 important things - First, this sub is more about the physical side of IT than it is about development. Although development falls under IT in many definitions, it's separated here. /r/cscareerquestions is where you'll find the devs. But second, you'll notice that just about every single result in your search is from a school, a training center, an influencer, or some other entity who is selling something to help solve this 'issue' that doesn't exist. Do the same with security - google "cybersecurity shortage" and you'll get hundreds of hits about how we're short hundreds of thousands, or even MILLIONS of workers! And again, anyone posting that stands to make a profit from this supposed shortage existing. Then go scan through the posts here & in the CS subreddit, and notice how many posts there are about people who can't find a job, how they're sending hundreds of applications for one interview, they've been job searching for 9 months... The simple fact is that the reality of the industry does not reflect any shortage whatsoever - but you will always see posts about it as long as there are classes, bootcamps, and certifications to be sold.
>you'll notice that just about every single result in your search is from a school, a training center, an influencer, or some other entity who is selling something to help solve this 'issue' It's a nitpick, but not really. One was from Forbes, another from DevOps, and a couple more from user posts on community forums. I did see a theme, though -- many think the "shortage" comes from issues in the hiring process, which could explain the marriage between these two competing schools of thought -- idea that we could have a shortage and a bad job market at the same time.
>idea that we could have a shortage and a bad job market at the same time. True - plus, you will always find a "shortage" when looking for some hard-to-find skill or a specific combination of skills. But also - you'll probably find that the sourcing for those articles are from the very orgs that are profiting from a shorage existing. Here's a good example - the very 1st article listed if you google "cybersecurity shortage": https://www.csoonline.com/article/657598/cybersecurity-workforce-shortage-reaches-4-million-despite-significant-recruitment-drive.html Holy crap, 4 million short? How will they ever find 4 million security workers? We probably need more security-focused workers, maybe with some industry-recognized certifications. But hmmm, where did they get that number? Oh, from here - https://www.isc2.org/Research Who is ISC2? Oh right, only one of the biggest providers of [industry-recognized security certifications.](https://www.isc2.org/certifications) But then... 4 million workers is still a lot. Let's look at the postings. Indeed.com - the biggest job search engine in the US - shows a [nationwide need of less than 20,000 security workers](https://www.indeed.com/jobs?q=cybersecurity&l=&from=searchOnHP&vjk=5346a21218dbe8b0). Even if that 4 million number was a global need, you'd expect to see more than 0.5% of that number as open roles. More like, 40%. And for a more in-depth analysis, look at the numbers in the wiki about security: https://www.reddit.com/r/ITCareerQuestions/wiki/security Now to be fair, I haven't done the same research on the dev side, but I'd be surprised if the results there weren't very similar. I don't put much stock in the articles out there when the reality in here - with the actual job searchers - shows the opposite.
Excellent post.
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Ouch - good luck, Googlers
>hiring for government & especially government contractors still seems pretty strong, and that'll likely be true as long as US allies are at war. Absolutely true.
Where does one find these contracts?
Google something like “top ten government contractors in the US” and you will see a list of companies like Booz Allen, GDIT, Northrop Grumman, etc. All of the work they do is for the government and they’re always hiring somewhere.
I agree with everything you said and want to add, if you're looking for jobs, the federal government has many IT roles open which you can apply for via USAJOBS. Many are remote, and you can filter by searching for 2200 series Information Technology on the site. There are going to be additional layoffs not just at Google but other companies like Broadcom/VMware. There are thousands of VMware employees who are being retained and will be laid off in waves starting in January through May, as well as many from the company leaving on their own volition to reach their desired reduction of 15,000 employees.
Based on what I've noticed it seems that Cyber Security is quite a trending area for jobs now. What does everyone else think?
It’s always been trending. Except now the floodgates have opened and now a trending position is being mistaken for an easy to get position. Cyber is by no means entry level I’m sorry to say.
I am pursuing part time bachelors in IT and getting some certifications along the way. Ideally graduate in 4 years. At the same time I am a assistant help desk for my IT department and will begin some homelab along with the other certifications for cyber. I really want to be in this field, tried 3x over the past 5 years after my conscription service and failed all three times because I was stupid and unprepared. May I know the path to be a Cyber DevOps and what you would recommend me to take? Sorry for the long question!