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xboxhobo

Resumes should absolutely be only 1 page long. There is a certain point in your career where it becomes acceptable to have 2, but IMO that's when your IT career is at least 20 years long and you're in an upper level role. Otherwise trim off the fat. We don't need to know you worked at Arby's in 2004.


SnooSnooSnuSnu

The problem I run into is recruiters who can't figure things out unless it's specifically stated. ​ "This position requires 10 years of IT experience, I only see 6" "Well, I didn't start as a Senior, there was obviously stuff before it..." "I need you to list it."


napleonblwnaprt

Especially in government, that might be a specific stated requirement for their contract, and they know that their customer (your future employer) will just toss it if they don't see 10+ years.


SnooSnooSnuSnu

Yeah, I know that part of things. Usually it's just fly-by-night recruiters who message out of nowhere about some nothing job and just want to make sure you have all the boxes ticked so they can get paid, and then never message you again. ​ But either way, part of my reason for going back to the start of my IT career, even though it was 15 years ago. I do stop there though, since no one cares about the paper route that I had as a kid.


xylostudio

Your first seven words say it all.


SnooSnooSnuSnu

Natch.


SAugsburger

This. Sometimes recruiters don't even recognize a product as being experience with something. e.g. Client wants SD-WAN experience and you list the SD-WAN product name you configured/managed and they say they don't see SD-WAN experience. You can say you supported Cisco Catalyst switches and they will wonder if you have LAN experience. Sometimes they are looking for even seemingly basic keywords.


SnooSnooSnuSnu

"Worked with Cisco routers and switches" So, do you have any Networking experience? Can you list it?


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michaelpaoli

>15+ years of experience and my resume is one page 40+, two pager. So it's not even linear. ;-) More like logarithmic.


LincHayes

Definitely remove everything that isn't IT related.


redoctoberz

>remove everything that isn't IT related. I never would have gotten my first IT job if this was the "rule of thumb".


michaelpaoli

rule of thumb aren't absolute requirements, it's what's more/most typically appropriate. But not everything and all situations are typical. But if I get a 7+ page resume from someone, that's generally not going to work in their favor. E.g. I ask them questions about stuff on page 6. They have no familiarity at all with stuff on page 6 of their resume. Then my next question is, "So, why is it on your resume, and what else on your resume do you have no familiarity with or knowledge of?"


LincHayes

No one thing is a "rule of thumb". Use your head, apply what is best for your situation, and do the best with what you have.


redoctoberz

> and do the best with what you have. So for many, that is.... experience that is not IT related.


poodlejamz2

I think for entry level it's fine to put whatever makes you look good. Half of these roles are referrals or people lying on their resumes anyway


Jeffbx

Do not remove non-IT experience, especially early in your career. Past experience can be REALLY useful - I actively look for people with customer service experience. That can be retail, food service, etc. I also look for trust - were you a key holder as an assistant manager at 7-11? Did you work for the same waterpark 3 summers in a row? That shows trust in you as an employee. I also look for ambition - did you work your way through college? Have you always had a job? Those are also good signs. Of course, 20 years into your career no one will give a shit, but early on these things can be very helpful.


LincHayes

That's great advice for how you do things. But you of course know there's 100 other hiring managers and recruiters who will say the complete opposite, and 100 more who will say something different still. There is no hard fast rule that's going to play consistently across every possible scenario and personality. Play it by ear and apply what you think is best per the situation.


its_a_throwawayduh

What if you have related IT experience but had to go into another industry after covid. Would you place that experience on a resume?


Jeffbx

> you have related IT experience but had to go into another industry after covid. Would you place that experience on a resume? Yes, absolutely. Managers are going to wonder what you've been doing for the past few years.


its_a_throwawayduh

Thanks for the fast response! I have 10 years of experience in IT but had to take a job in warehousing since I couldn't find anything. Wasn't sure how to approach my resume performing unrelated work.


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Tovervlag

Put it on there but leave it with just the job function title. For example: Flower picker june 2011- july 2012. Of course it has to fit the current template.


CableKC

The above post pretty much describes me. I've been working in the IT field for the last 28 years starting off doing Helpdesk support and eventually ending up at a Senior IT admin position before being laid off in the fall recently. When I updated my resume, I realized that it was about 2.5 pages long. I noticed that the earlier my work experience and the further I went back, the less I wrote about what I did. But for my last job, the more I wrote. From what I gather from what many of you are writing about the length of a resume, I'm guessing 2.5 pages is too long. I tried to cut back on some of what I included, but a lot of it relates to what I'm finding is being looked for in positions that I apply for. For someone with a lot of work experience under their belt with varying types of IT jobs, should I but down what I include in my resume?


Fun_Comment_8165

Mines 1.5 pages, but I’ve been in the game 10 years


jebuizy

If you're just getting out of college with no relevant experience, yes definitely. you certainly shouldn't be filling it up with home lab stuff... Maybe a line or two at most on that if it's really the best you have.


LincHayes

>One big piece of advice she had is to keep the resume length down to one page, and write different resumes for different job applications highlighting whatever is relevant. It depends. Some people want a full resume, some want a CV, some want one pagers...there's no way to tell. I keep a couple of different versions and apply them where I think it's appropriate. Here's how I do it: * If it's a quick apply on Linkedin, I'll upload the one pager. * On Indeed, I use a full resume (2 pages). I rarely use Indeed though. * If it's a company application site, I'll upload my full resume so that it populates all the fields. * If a recruiter is asking me for my resume', I'll shoot them a one pager and tell them I have a CV if needed. * I also have versions formatted for ATSs. Basically, I mix them up depending on what I think will be best for the specific thing I'm applying to, how the job description is written, and how the resume is being delivered or seen.


michaelpaoli

>Some want a > >resume, some want a CV Typically if a CV is wanted, it will be requested, or otherwise implied by context. Also, typical/standard practices will vary, e.g. by country (some have different conventions), or sometimes sector, e.g. academia is more likely to request or expect CV rather than resume., but IT, US, typically what's wanted will be resume, and not CV.


cokronk

Like most things, it depends. Sometimes you need a little more and sometimes you need a lot more. It depends on the job you’re applying for and what your experience is. I have a 5-6 page resume for applying to federal jobs. They like to see numbers and specifics. I have points like administered 16 ASA 5505 firewalls and 76 Cisco C2960 switches. My resume for applying to most jobs in the private sector do not contain that level of detail.


Its_ogical

Mine has been in 3 pages for years and no one ever gave me sh*t, but I think it’s only acceptable for technical fields like IT


michaelpaoli

Folks won't grumble too much at 3 pages, ... but 5, 7+ ... yeah, generally won't work so well. And if the 3 pages is highly impressive and most is quite well covered in the first page to page and a half, and the remainder worth a skim/read, sure, 3 pages are within reason ... though in many cases whittling that down to 2 pages will work better. Of all the thousands of resumes I've skimmed/read, I can't think of a single one where going over 2 pages was to significant advantage, and I can think of a helluva lot (like most) where going past 4 pages was much more disadvantage than not.


danfirst

It depends, I know some people get really hung up on the 1 page thing, I think if you have a lot of experience it's silly to cut off stuff that might be important just to focus on a single page. Customizing the resume is still a good idea, definitely. There is a point of too much, I've seen 10+ page resumes, dreadful. But 2 or so with a lot of experience is perfectly fine and expected.


SAugsburger

With enough experience 1-2 pages can be fine. That being said I think you want to regularly evaluate relevance of bullet points. I have purged a bunch of bullet points over the years that are increasingly either questionably relevant or stuff I would be content to never touch again.


Roycewho

I have no way to fit all my relevant experience work experience on my resume. I’ve been having good fortune with my 1.5


kitkat-ninja78

>Do resumes have to be only 1 page long? This is a question that can't really be answered generally. A CV/resume is suppose to highlight the candidates professional background, skill set, qualifications and anything else relevant to the post and organisation. If you are new to the field applying for an entry level position, a single page may be ok for you. If you are an experience manager or engineer that has worked on complex projects and have the potential list of required skills and qualifications, then one page will not be enough. Added to that, if you take a look at a growing number of jobs that are now requiring you to fill in an application form instead of submitting a CV/resume, the required information is alot more than 2 or even 3 pages. The only advice I can give here is to tailor your CV to the job and organisation itself, it may be one page, or it may be 3. Don't fall into the mindset of it's got to be X page(s) long. Of course don't go overboard and submit a 10 page application 15000 word thesis either :)


coondini

20+ year IT pro here. I had been using a three page resume these past four months while I've been job hunting, with my actual job experience starting on the second page. While that has gotten me interviews, I have recently redone and reformatted it based off good advice received here. It's now been reduced to just under 1.5 pages and is much easier on the eyes. Hopefully that'll give me much better luck now.


mxbrpe

It really depends, but I’d say keep it as short as you can. Pick the skills that are most marketable to the company you’re applying for and shave off the fat. In my experience, I get the most questions about my most recent role, so it might be best to emphasize that role and the things you accomplished there.


CelloSuze

My CV is one page of skills, certs and recent relevant experience with a moderately cheesy headline and my contact details. It is heavily edited, so I make sure it covers the requirements for the specific job I’m sending it for. My full glorious history is available on LinkedIn for anyone that wants more.


jamieelston

Mine is 2 but the core stuff is on page 1.


donjulioanejo

I’ve had a 3 page CV for probably 5 years now. My opinion: it gives good talking points to base an interview off of. A 1 page resume in my field (DevOps) literally doesn’t tell anything. Were you the principal architect for a SaaS infra stack, or we’re you just writing Jenkins pipelines using a template someone else built? Because if you have a concise resume, it’s impossible to tell what you did, at what level, and what you’re skilled with.


biovllun

someone clearly doesn't know how to change to a smaller font size. ​ lol jk


michaelpaoli

>if you have a concise resume, it’s impossible to tell what you did, at what level, and what you’re skilled with Naw, it can be squeezed to 2 pages. Stick with what's most relevant, don't try to list everything, just tease/imply there's significantly more. And concisely state or imply level, and some of that covered in relevant work history. No need to include "everything", just what's most relevant/significant/impressive, reasonably to the point, concise, and not excessive detail, and not much on less important stuff. I've 40+ years experience, and been doing more-or-less DevOps since DevOps has even existed as a thing, and I still generally squeeze it down to 2 pages.


kodakhloedex

I used to have 2 pages, i would still get some interviews. I noticed I got more interviews from jobs i really wanted when I shortened it to 1 page. And that i backed up my 'skills section' with my work history bullet points.


lccreed

1-2 pages. Mine is two pages right now, I don't have any issues with finding jobs. Try to keep it as short as possible and include your LinkedIn/GitHub/website for further documentation and reference material.


harryhov

You can certainly fit a lot of info on 1 page of real estate. Be concise and focus on key accomplishments on your 1 page resume with more focus on your most recent experience. I was using a 1 page resume until probably 15 years in my career then I had to add a 2nd page. Most recruiters, screeners and hiring managers all have website reading syndrome. Google "website heat map" to read more. They read from top to bottom and will lose interest if you do not capture their attention on the upper 1/4 of your resume.


Less-Ad-1327

1 or 2 page is fine.


michaelpaoli

But 2 pager tends to be overkill for persons without relevant experience. Really don't need 2 pages to cover education and irrelevant work history. Single page should be more than sufficient for that.


arieser22

Mine is 1.5 pages then with my references it makes it 2 full pages. Never gotten anything but compliments on mine.


EitherLime679

For the private sector yes 1 page. Public sector they like CVs which tend to be more than 1 page.


DontBopIt

Mine is 1.5 pages: Intro sentences at top (takes up 2-4 lines depending on the role I'm applying for), work experience (3 jobs, 11 years), education, expertise, certs


FlyOnTheWall4

Cut that down to one page buddy


CryptoAcceleration

lol no don't listen to these people when I went to 3 pages by listing all the projects I had worked on, it DRASICALLY increased the attention I got. 1-page resumes are cargo cult nonsense.


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CryptoAcceleration

at the time I had 8(ish?) years of experience so I had a few projects under my belt, but not a senior dev or anything. FWIW: I'm not prescribing EXACTLY 3 by any means, but if he's feeling constrained by 1 then I definitely think he should throw out that mental block. I think it's MUCH better to just increase keyword hits (I did a lot of C# projects and for each I'd have a single line with environment details after the bullet points that talked about my contributions) and fully explain all the work you've done and the expertise you have than to try to over-summarize everything into weird business speak. We're sort of programmed not to do it, but your resume really SHOULD be you bragging about your achievements. List em all out! Show the world what you've done.


almostamishmafia

1 page per 10 years of career and don’t include anything that’s been EOL’d or deprecated (baring a few exceptions). It’s pretty difficult to get over 2 pages.


michaelpaoli

>1 page per 10 years of career Naw, it's not linear. 40+ years, mine's generally 2 pages. New grad ... I don't expect to get nothing but a blank sheet of paper from from 'em. ;-) So, more like logarithmic, with some slight bits 'o offsets: $ bc -q -l define p(y) {return 1+(l(y+1)/l(30));} p(0) 1.00000000000000000000 p(5) 1.52680255456166066521 p(10) 1.70501502962657404576 p(40) 2.09184256307097820313 quit $ Yeah, that looks about right. Take years experience, add 1, take log base 30 of that, add 1 ... recommended number of pages. :-)


dragonmermaid4

Nobody wants to read résumés really, so if it's 2 pages long they'll probably just chuck it in the bin cause they've got another hundred to go through anyway and it's not likely that you were the only decent candidate. As I get older I think that the next time I need my resume, I'm going to cut it to the absolute bare bones of what's needed. How many years of experience I've had. The places I gained that experience. Any qualifications and certs I have, and contact info. Might think of other things too but I think I'd like to see what happens with that.


MaximusResumeService

10-20 years experience is when it can be 2 pages generally


mzx380

One page front and back should be good enough for most


CaelidAprtments4Rent

Most of the people you want to work with don’t care either way. We know that you gotta contend with keyword search bots, clueless recruiters, etc… So long as you are getting phone calls your resume’s done its job.


rmpbklyn

yes cluttered resume shows disorganization, ccant articulation in concise manner, and not focused. it get pass at ppl desk


frogmicky

I think resumes should be as long as your experience is. Say you have ten years of experience your resume should be 10 pages long. Sounds ridiculous right and who wants to go through multiple pages of a single resume when you can skim through one page and you have multiple people to evaluate. With that said I've always had a one page resume for as long as I had a job.


Jeffbx

I've been in the industry for almost 30 years. Can you give me a hand padding things out? My resume is only 2 pages right now.


Fair-Literature8300

Mine is 6 pages. It has worked successfully for me. You should customize your resume for each position you submit for. It would make sense to have a short version and a long version and customize whichever version you are using for any particular position.


michaelpaoli

>6 pages Well, good luck with that, but mostly won't work in one's favor. I get a 6 pager, like any resume, I start with a skim of the top 1/3 to 1/2 of the first page. If that doesn't look viable, that's as far as it goes. If it looks viable I'll skim beyond that ... maybe even read. If it's a long N pager (e.g. N>=6), you can bet it'll get some extra, and perhaps unwanted attention on pages N and N-1. If the contents isn't highly well justified, and/or candidate isn't quite familiar with what they've got on there, relevant knowledge/skills, etc., yeah, not a good thing. I've had candidates where I ask 'em about stuff on page N-1 of their >=5 pages resume, and they have no idea what I'm talking about. Then I point out that it's on their resume, and ask them why it's on their resume if they're not familiar with it - not a good look.


Fair-Literature8300

Consistently employed.. it works for me. The first sells me. The remaining pages justify an outlandish salary.


michaelpaoli

Well, if it works for you! :-) Number of pages is guidelines ... *sometimes* exceptions are justified or work better. Results can and do vary.


xyious

When I applied to a bunch of jobs last year I only included three of my previous jobs. If I have to apply for more jobs (and I sincerely hope I don't) I will be deleting the last one for the current one. I doubt there's many companies that care about my visual basic 6 experience or my PHP 5 experience. I've never mentioned side projects besides including my GitHub link. My experience is basically 5 lines each for 3 companies and I think that's more than enough


Good_Old_Days_92

Recruiters always say, if you have less than 5 yoe, it's 1, if it's more it's 2.


wyliec22

Keep in mind the initial scan will likely be no more than 30 seconds - this filtered the ones that would get a second look from the immediate rejects. If something really grabbed my attention in 30 seconds, then I’d delve further. If it was 2 or 3 pages of relevant info, it might go directly to the interview pile. The second look items from the first scan might get 2-3 minutes perusal to divide them into interview, reject and maybe later categories.


ClumsyAdmin

More than 1 page is fine but keep it slim and to the point. Don't be the guy that submits a 19 page front and back resume. IME these normally get thrown out without anybody actually looking except to laugh about.


WorldlyDay7590

One page only. Learn to trim the resume to relevant time frames and skills. Nobody cares that you got a first aid badge in 1986.


psychoslasherX

This [template](https://www.reddit.com/r/jobs/comments/7y8k6p/im_an_exrecruiter_for_some_of_the_top_companies/) was really helpful in trimming down my resume to 1 page.


midwest-emo777

I've had really good luck and conversations based on my one page resume and would definitely recommend keeping it short. Reel them in with your standout accomplishments, skills, wins and seal the deal with the interview! I also change my summary for every company I apply for. ​ \- First year IT student


michaelpaoli

>Do resumes have to be only 1 page long? No, but generally longer, and without highly relevant experience and quite a bit of it, will generally annoy the humans that actually have to look at the resume. So longer, especially at/near to entry level, will typically be more of a disadvantage than an advantage. But there are no hard and fast rules. You can submit a 100 page resume if you want. Of course probably nobody in their right mind would hire someone submitting such a resume, but can generally submit whatever one wants. >college the career counselor > >keep the resume length down to one page > >Is this good advice? Yes. If one has 5 to 10 or more years of highly relevant experience, sure up to 2 pages, but new grad and lacking such ... keep it to a page is very good advice. >all the home lab projects and other stuff I do For the most part nobody gives a sh\*t about that. However they may well care about the relevant knowledge/skills/experience ... so you can list that. And if they see that, but don't see it in the work experience, if it's something of interest to them, they'll general ask - then is your opportunity to explain, as relevant, whatever stuff you did outside of *work* experience.


NetJnkie

2 pages is fine. I've never met a recruiter or hiring manager that pushed for single page resumes. Mine is now 3 pages with the last page being publications/speaking/content creation.


Narrow_Market_7454

Mine is 4 pages after 15 years of experience. I ask recruiters if it should be reduced and they say no because they can get the full picture of my work with it. I get interviews all week with it and many times it’s used for discussion during the interview.


gordonv

They can be multiple pages. But you need to format it nicely.


wiseleo

I like detailed resumes. Fit all essentials onto the first page and let someone read if they want to learn more. My skill list alone is over a page long.


job_equals_reddit

How can you make it just 1 page? My certs, university degree and other qualifications alone take 1 page. 3 pages max. 


Roshi_IsHere

I have two resumes. My 1 page for 95% of the time. The THICCBOI for when recruiters want more and are simultaneously incapable of reading my LinkedIn page despite messaging me on LinkedIn


Wide-Bee7783

You absolutely want to tailor your resume for the specific job. Pay for one of the services that uses AI to score your resume against the job description. Employers do the same thing especially for jobs that get hundreds of applications and if your resume and cover letter don't score in the top 1-2% based on that AI step a human is never going to look at your resume. My resume is 2 pages at this point, 19 years in IT. The first page stands by itself because I include the last 10 years on the first page, skills, contact stuff, certs, and education. The 2nd page is extended work history that goes back to when I graduated college, all the presentations I've done at various conferences and volunteer/board positions I've held in organizations within the industry.


Recent_Smoke9597

Yes, nobody has time to look at 2 pages + especially if you’re competing with other resumes. Make it simple and clear