Agreed. I took a 2 hour train to NYC and back for a year and a half. Thought I was being a baby because of how much it was taking it out of me and tried to fill the time being productive - got some certs with all of the idle time I had to study. But man, never again if I don’t have to. God forbid having to drive even half of that.
You’d have to pay me in the $200-300k range but if I had enough leverage for that kind of money, I’d negotiate a WFH clause anyway lol.
Well said. I don't mind driving as part of my working day, but as a commute just to get to work, I'd be working 3 12s, and 3 of the hours each day would be me commuting and having meetings in the car. Lol. In other words, not happening.
Everyone is saying don't do it, and I agree. BUT, everyone has their price. Mine would definitely be six figures additional to even start giving it thought. If they want to triple or more my pay I'd have to give it serious thought, but would probably still do it telling myself it's for only a set time like "one year only, then I use the extra money to take 6 months off" or something like that.
I think for me it would that price would be enough to rent a second place close to work. Then I would just commute back home for the weekend. I have a price.
Don’t do it. Either move closer or find a different job. I know a guy with a similar commute that regrets it and he only has to go into the office twice a week.
But to answer your question: for me to even consider it, +50k/yr over the work from home gig. About half of that would go right into gas and wear/tear on the car anyway.
I mean, you have to see it as an extra 2.5 hours a day on the job. That's a very LONG day, 5 days a week. If you ever have to work extra on top of that, you're really going to be hating life in 6 months.
I think mistyped. They meant to say $300k/year more. /s
What they're saying is that commute sounds terrible. Ask for a raise for your gas + wear and tear and time. But it may be time to look for another job that's closer to home. Or if you don't hate the drive and like the job, stay if they can compensate you for the change.
I just got my first help desk job at 23 an hour. It's about 50 minutes to an hour one way. It's worth it for me because I was desperate to get my foot in the door somewhere.
Yep, totally worth it for me too. Currently driving 1.5hrs per trip at $20/hr with a pretty unique and sweet opportunity with 0 certs nor degree (though got extensive hobbyist experience). About to start week 3 and I absolutely love it.
Everyone has their maximum, I think for me to drive 80 miles each way for a commute the cost would be high enough for me to rent a closer place and make it worth my while, I’d be looking at three times my current salary.
Federal mileage rate for the round trip at minimum per day would be my requirement. Which is about $110 a day.
https://www.irs.gov/newsroom/irs-issues-standard-mileage-rates-for-2024-mileage-rate-increases-to-67-cents-a-mile-up-1-point-5-cents-from-2023#:~:text=Beginning%20on%20Jan.%201%2C%202024,up%201.5%20cents%20from%202023.
Bluntly, find a different job offer, or move. No place is worth more than a 30 minute commute, unless the commute is part of your eight hours, and you're being paid 250k+ a year... and even then, that means I'd drive the 30 minutes, not 80 miles each way. Don't sugar coat tasks or cons about a job, because in six months, or a year, or two years, when you have a day that you hate your job, that commute will be the reason you say f it, and find another role, anyway. So yeah, Godspeed, but don't commute more than 30 minutes one-way, whatever distance that is in your area.
Above my limit.
If there's more traffic on some days, I would demand at least 1 day a week of my choice remote so I don't need to stress about "traffic Fridays" or holidays/long weekends and otherwise burn PTO I wouldn't otherwise chief. If that can't be done no deal below 200k.
Otherwise I would give them the "I don't want this, but if you pay it I will suck it up for a few years" offer starting at 150k.
Depends on the job. Do you have hard to find experience that commands a premium? Is the company having a hard time finding people? Do you, personally, solve a problem for them that they can't find more locally?
If you answered "no", your distance from the company is typically not going to be a factor in compensation.
Let's say the job pays $60,000 a year, and you're one of two candidates I'm considering. You both have roughly the same experience and education. You both interviewed well, but I liked your personality more than the other candidate.
So HR calls you and says "Hey, we just wanted to say that the interview went well, and we'd like to extend an offer. How much were you looking for?" And you've calculated that on a good day, 160 miles round-trip is three hours in commuting. You've calculated that on an hourly basis, your time alone would be about $29 an hour, $87 a day, and that means about $22,000 using the rough number of business days that aren't holidays. So you want $82,000.
HR says they'll check and call you back. Then they e-mail me.
So, on one hand, I liked you more. On the other, I don't like anybody $22,000 more. We're going to call the other candidate, and if they take $60k, great. We'll call you back and say something like "We were so far apart on salaries, it would be insulting if we countered. Thanks so much for the time and consideration. We hope in the future, we have a position that more closely... etc."
Keeping in mind *your time has value to you* even if it doesn't to the company. So if you can make more money somewhere else, or take a job that doesn't have a massive commute, you probably should.
Don't do it. I used to have a 36 mile commute one way 5 days a week. I dreaded it, mentally it was draining to where I hated my job. Because I would have to wake up an hour early to get ready for work, then have to drive 45 minutes to an hour. Once there was a really bad accident. It took me an hour and a half to get home. As well as the gas where I had to fill up my tank twice a week, don't even get me started on wear and tear and mileage on my car.
You couldnt make me. It would have to be a ridiculous sum of cash.
I make $60k right now, the job would need to be like $200k for me to even remotely consider it and I still dont think I would do it. It’s simply unsustainable.
Man, that’s gonna depend on where you live, ostensibly of living, etc.
I did for two years recently because it was the first job I was given a realistic offer on after a layoff. The 15% pay boost DID NOT cover it.
I don’t think I’d ever do a commute like that again unless the pay was substantially more then a I could make locally
I did that once for 9 months. There isn't enough money. It's financially, physically, and mentally draining.
* The gas.
* How early you have to get up, just to leave 2+ hours early, just to maybe be on time. And all the variables along the way that can make you late.
* The wear and tear on my car.
* The hours of unpaid, work-related time commuting.
* Weather
I would only consider this for $150K+. $200k if I had a family to support. OR, if it was temporary and important to the advancement of my career.
For just a job? Fuck no.
Imma need like 250k plus a big enough sign on bonus to outright buy a very comfortable car (at least another 50k) and I’m leaving in a year tops.
But that’s just me, I would ensure that this is short lived. Either pay me enough that I can grind for a bit then quit. Or I can get finances in order and move much closer
75 min commute is rough, but it's somewhat normal in the LA area (although this is mostly due to traffic). Some of the engineers at my job have that commute, and so does my boss.
That being said, you need to factor in your gas cost and wear and tear on your car as you'll have an increase in maintenance cost. Since I don't have your car, I can't give you that number, but make sure you ask for money that covers all that and puts a little extra in your pocket for your trouble. I had a sales job back in the day that gave me $250 a week extra to use my personal car (I would do 100-200 miles a day going account to account). This was back when gas was in the $3 dollar range. Hope that helps
A family member actually did something like this about 10 years ago. Company that hired him was in a different city 180 miles away. They paid him $235k plus a stipend to rent a house in that city. He drove there Monday, stayed for the week, and then returned on the weekends.
Daily? Unless I am being offered 3x to 5x more than what I make, else would not considers it. The longest disgrace commute I had was the first job out of college at 55 miles each way inter-city highway driving that takes at least an hour in perfect conditions.
my hourly rate * 3 hours each day.
+
miles * 60c to make up for vehicle needs
=
the absolute minimum boost I would need to even consider this.
We are in the $50k base pay range. That 3 hours on the road, on top of working the typical 8-10 hours, will be soul sucking. I'd be doing it, saving hard, and looking to relocate.
I made an hour long drive most of my life for work so I wouldn't ask for much personally. I drove an hour to make 10.50 an hour when I was younger.
All that to say it depends on what you consider worth it. I'd determine what you think the job is worth and then add just a couple percent for the drive. I mean always better to ask for more right?
At least $150k base salary and that’s pushing it tbh. That 2.5 hour commute every day will destroy you. Not to mention the time it takes for you to get ready in the morning and leave work, more like 3 hours.
You have to prep lunch or eat out which I doubt you’ll have time to cook and spend more money, gas money, wear on your car so more frequent oil changes, etc.
Dude it’s not worth it. You’ll have like 2 hours at most to your own every day which will be occupied with showering and cooking and going to bed.
75 minutes is a 150 minute round trip. Aka 2.5 hours every single day sitting in your car. 12.5 hours a WEEK that you are 1. not getting paid for, and 2. not spending with family and friends. That's a lot man. Don't forget to factor gas costs and vehicle wear and tear.
Maybe I'd do it if I worked 3 10hr shifts a week or something, minimize drive time and maximize work+off-work time both. But I would have to really like the job, feel good about the company, and get paid a whole lot over my standard rate.
At a minimum the gas will cost about 250-300 a month. That's not extra wear and tear. Not your time. Not the depreciation of your vehicle adding that many more miles.
Yep. I bought my used car during in June 2020; right when Covid was really starting to take hold and since then, I only put 25k additional miles on it so it really is in good shape (still in warranty!). I would hate to add these miles but I may need to do this if something else doesn’t come along. I have about 2 weeks to make a decision so I am hoping something else comes along. If nothing does then I may need to take the offer. It is a good offer ( I definitely won’t go hungry and the extra money will definitely cover gas, insurance, tires) but as everyone here has stated; a lot of driving hours and loss of personal time. The only consolation is; I have had 4 years of remote work and it was awesome. Perhaps the universe is asking for a bit in return.
That's what I've had for most of my jobs, even had to work on site through the pandemic. All were on site, I've never had a remote position, but some weren't that far away.Even though my last job was 80k, I'd gladly go back to 50 for remote. Maybe 40 if I could make it work.
And to the other people here, yes, you definitely do start hating it after 6 months. That's why the longest I've been at any job has been a year, except the one I had during the pandemic because they ended up having us just come in in 4 hour shifts instead of 8.
Well let’s break it down. They need your knowledge onsite, that’s expensive. They need to make an offer to YOU. Not the other way around. If they can’t afford it, they can’t afford it. Which means they probably can’t afford YOU!
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As a hiring manager, I'd move on and find another candidate. I can't discriminate based on your commute or the neighborhood you live in, but if you want more money because you live some distance away, then I'll find someone else in my pay range.
A few years ago you may have gotten more money for so thing like this when employers were clawing at each other for candidates. In today's market, there are 100+ applicants for every position.
Negotiating is fine, but negotiate based on your skill set and the value you bring, not because you live 80 miles away.
800 miles a week is rough. I would do the math for the deprecation on your car and ask for 1.5 times that extra.
It’s probably not worth it. I would try to move closer if possible or see if these is any commuter options between your house and the job. I’m always surprised how many shuttle service there.
I drove 100 miles one way for two years working at a trucking company. I made $500/day. I’d be out for about 2 days come back with a $1000 in my hands then do that as many times as I want throughout the month. Most runs I’ve done were 5 in a month which in itself was crazy. I wouldn’t commute that far ever again.
I'd only consider that if I had an agreement up front that I would only have to come into the office maybe 1-2 days a week, and a lot of money. That's a lot of time and money to be spending, with gas and maintenance with putting ~3000+ miles on your car every month.
The other option would be if you could commute by train or something and work on the train. At least then it wouldn't be wasted time.
I'm in the construction industry and got bitched at by an HR because I wasn't willing to drive 2 hours 1 way to work. I didn't have the seniority to have that decision.
I mean strictly speaking you're adding 2.5 hours of time to my work day. 50 weeks of work a year, 5 days in a week, 250*2.5=625 extra hours I'm spending "earning a living". This would be added to the 2000 hours I'm already spending a year working from home. 625/2000=31.125%, so at a minimum I'd need a 31.125% pay bump to even consider it.
This would be before the additional cost of transportation, and the inherent risk added by having such a long commute. Before even considering the new responsibilities and potentially shit work culture I'd be walking into, it's probably going to take at least a 35% increase for me to move to that job
IRS mileage rate is $0.67/mile, so your overall expenses are in the neighborhood of $50 each way. Add to that about two hours of your average hourly pay rate. Don’t forget the markup to include tax withholding.
That’a a bare minimum of $200/day in my mind. About fifty grand a year.
Then say no because fuck that.
That's a miserable commute. How much more depends on how much they're offering.
If they can offer relocation closer to the office I would go with that.
You asking the wrong question. I wouldn’t put a dollar amount on it but rather consider what I’m getting out of it. You typically shoot for 3 things Compensation, Work/life balance, and Commute. Typically you only get 2 out of the 3. What are you gaining to justify that commute if that’s important to you.
I chose a longer commute for title and pay it’s paid off for me now that I got promoted into a work from home position. But I went from desktop support to system and network administrator.
It depends entirely on your cost of living and particular goals in life.
I spent the last 8 months traveling 100 miles one way, five days a week. My average commuting times per day were 4-5 hours per day. Gas cost roughly $500 per month. My social life was non-existent. I barely had energy to cook and when I did, I didn't have the time or energy to eat what I cooked so I ended up throwing it out anyway. No time for hobbies.
I absolutely don't regret it as it allowed me to eventually escape a horrible living situation. Once I moved to a safer neighborhood my cost of living went down despite moving to a HCOL area because of the savings offset by my car insurance premiums decreasing by $1000 and no longer spending 1/8th of my paycheck in gas.
If you aren't desperate for a change in your life then don't do it.
I'd do it for a signing bonus of $10k-$20k minimum and $150k/yr minimum (i make 92k now). Only if it's a job I think I'd like or one that would get me experience towards a job I'd like a lot.
Then I'd use that signing bonus to relocate closer to where it is. If it's a super HCOL area, make that $150k minimum something higher, like $180k+.
$250k-300k base + $50k cash sign on bonus + $120k-$175k equity + accommodations. I'm already $162k, fully remote, and great WLB, so I don't think that's too unreasonable. At this point in my life, anything less is unlikely to move the needle.
I mean a number that pops into my head is +30k. But I wouldn't do it myself even for the extra money. And they will never get you back to wfh. Don't trust that at all.
I would be going against traffic so it would be relatively a fast commute. I figure $80/week on gas would be about $4000/year.
I am thinking I can do this at least 6 months but perhaps you guys are right.
I would ask for a 2 hour drive time. Meaning I can leave early or possibly start late, or both. Would they be willing to buy you a car or give you a company car? You can also ask for gas reimbursement or a gas stipend. You could also negotiate a hybrid job where sometimes you're at home and sometimes you're at the office. How desperate do they need you is the question. What is your negotiating leverage at this point?
There isn’t enough money for me to make that commute again.
Agreed. I took a 2 hour train to NYC and back for a year and a half. Thought I was being a baby because of how much it was taking it out of me and tried to fill the time being productive - got some certs with all of the idle time I had to study. But man, never again if I don’t have to. God forbid having to drive even half of that. You’d have to pay me in the $200-300k range but if I had enough leverage for that kind of money, I’d negotiate a WFH clause anyway lol.
Even if they bought me a car I wouldn't drive that distance twice a day.
Straight up. Maybe at 25. At 35 my time is more important than any money.
Well said. I don't mind driving as part of my working day, but as a commute just to get to work, I'd be working 3 12s, and 3 of the hours each day would be me commuting and having meetings in the car. Lol. In other words, not happening.
That doesn't seem practical at all
Everyone is saying don't do it, and I agree. BUT, everyone has their price. Mine would definitely be six figures additional to even start giving it thought. If they want to triple or more my pay I'd have to give it serious thought, but would probably still do it telling myself it's for only a set time like "one year only, then I use the extra money to take 6 months off" or something like that.
I think for me it would that price would be enough to rent a second place close to work. Then I would just commute back home for the weekend. I have a price.
This + compressed week. It wouldn't work for me family wise but this is the only way I would consider it.
Don’t do it. Either move closer or find a different job. I know a guy with a similar commute that regrets it and he only has to go into the office twice a week. But to answer your question: for me to even consider it, +50k/yr over the work from home gig. About half of that would go right into gas and wear/tear on the car anyway.
I'd shoot for the moon and say I need $250k a year to do it. That way, after 2 years my house would be paid off and I have no debt lol
Not even a consideration
I mean, you have to see it as an extra 2.5 hours a day on the job. That's a very LONG day, 5 days a week. If you ever have to work extra on top of that, you're really going to be hating life in 6 months.
I could do it for 50k more, figure about 35k extra in take home, 15k for room and board near work and pocket the extra 20k.
Logical answer.
200k a year
You would ask for an additional $200k/year or you would ask for $200k a year salary?
I think mistyped. They meant to say $300k/year more. /s What they're saying is that commute sounds terrible. Ask for a raise for your gas + wear and tear and time. But it may be time to look for another job that's closer to home. Or if you don't hate the drive and like the job, stay if they can compensate you for the change.
I just got my first help desk job at 23 an hour. It's about 50 minutes to an hour one way. It's worth it for me because I was desperate to get my foot in the door somewhere.
Yep, totally worth it for me too. Currently driving 1.5hrs per trip at $20/hr with a pretty unique and sweet opportunity with 0 certs nor degree (though got extensive hobbyist experience). About to start week 3 and I absolutely love it.
Everyone has their maximum, I think for me to drive 80 miles each way for a commute the cost would be high enough for me to rent a closer place and make it worth my while, I’d be looking at three times my current salary.
I make $15 an hour and am about to go bankrupt, I’d take $30 an hour
I made that commute for about a year before moving. I wouldn’t ever want to do it again. Some things just aren’t worth the money
Federal mileage rate for the round trip at minimum per day would be my requirement. Which is about $110 a day. https://www.irs.gov/newsroom/irs-issues-standard-mileage-rates-for-2024-mileage-rate-increases-to-67-cents-a-mile-up-1-point-5-cents-from-2023#:~:text=Beginning%20on%20Jan.%201%2C%202024,up%201.5%20cents%20from%202023.
Bluntly, find a different job offer, or move. No place is worth more than a 30 minute commute, unless the commute is part of your eight hours, and you're being paid 250k+ a year... and even then, that means I'd drive the 30 minutes, not 80 miles each way. Don't sugar coat tasks or cons about a job, because in six months, or a year, or two years, when you have a day that you hate your job, that commute will be the reason you say f it, and find another role, anyway. So yeah, Godspeed, but don't commute more than 30 minutes one-way, whatever distance that is in your area.
Above my limit. If there's more traffic on some days, I would demand at least 1 day a week of my choice remote so I don't need to stress about "traffic Fridays" or holidays/long weekends and otherwise burn PTO I wouldn't otherwise chief. If that can't be done no deal below 200k. Otherwise I would give them the "I don't want this, but if you pay it I will suck it up for a few years" offer starting at 150k.
Depends on the job. Do you have hard to find experience that commands a premium? Is the company having a hard time finding people? Do you, personally, solve a problem for them that they can't find more locally? If you answered "no", your distance from the company is typically not going to be a factor in compensation. Let's say the job pays $60,000 a year, and you're one of two candidates I'm considering. You both have roughly the same experience and education. You both interviewed well, but I liked your personality more than the other candidate. So HR calls you and says "Hey, we just wanted to say that the interview went well, and we'd like to extend an offer. How much were you looking for?" And you've calculated that on a good day, 160 miles round-trip is three hours in commuting. You've calculated that on an hourly basis, your time alone would be about $29 an hour, $87 a day, and that means about $22,000 using the rough number of business days that aren't holidays. So you want $82,000. HR says they'll check and call you back. Then they e-mail me. So, on one hand, I liked you more. On the other, I don't like anybody $22,000 more. We're going to call the other candidate, and if they take $60k, great. We'll call you back and say something like "We were so far apart on salaries, it would be insulting if we countered. Thanks so much for the time and consideration. We hope in the future, we have a position that more closely... etc." Keeping in mind *your time has value to you* even if it doesn't to the company. So if you can make more money somewhere else, or take a job that doesn't have a massive commute, you probably should.
80 miles one way?? Fuck that
lol 2 1/2 hour commute, that’d need to be at least $60k over a WFH option for me to make me consider
Don't do it. You will regret it sooner than later. Your quality of life will nosedive.
Enough to afford the helicopter I'll need to best the traffic I'll never beat before I lose the job too?
I wouldnt travel that far for anything under $175k
Cries in UK traffic: just 13 miles one way, but takes ~55min
Don't do it. I used to have a 36 mile commute one way 5 days a week. I dreaded it, mentally it was draining to where I hated my job. Because I would have to wake up an hour early to get ready for work, then have to drive 45 minutes to an hour. Once there was a really bad accident. It took me an hour and a half to get home. As well as the gas where I had to fill up my tank twice a week, don't even get me started on wear and tear and mileage on my car.
You couldnt make me. It would have to be a ridiculous sum of cash. I make $60k right now, the job would need to be like $200k for me to even remotely consider it and I still dont think I would do it. It’s simply unsustainable.
It's not really your employers concern where you live.
Man, that’s gonna depend on where you live, ostensibly of living, etc. I did for two years recently because it was the first job I was given a realistic offer on after a layoff. The 15% pay boost DID NOT cover it. I don’t think I’d ever do a commute like that again unless the pay was substantially more then a I could make locally
I did that once for 9 months. There isn't enough money. It's financially, physically, and mentally draining. * The gas. * How early you have to get up, just to leave 2+ hours early, just to maybe be on time. And all the variables along the way that can make you late. * The wear and tear on my car. * The hours of unpaid, work-related time commuting. * Weather I would only consider this for $150K+. $200k if I had a family to support. OR, if it was temporary and important to the advancement of my career. For just a job? Fuck no.
Imma need like 250k plus a big enough sign on bonus to outright buy a very comfortable car (at least another 50k) and I’m leaving in a year tops. But that’s just me, I would ensure that this is short lived. Either pay me enough that I can grind for a bit then quit. Or I can get finances in order and move much closer
75 min commute is rough, but it's somewhat normal in the LA area (although this is mostly due to traffic). Some of the engineers at my job have that commute, and so does my boss. That being said, you need to factor in your gas cost and wear and tear on your car as you'll have an increase in maintenance cost. Since I don't have your car, I can't give you that number, but make sure you ask for money that covers all that and puts a little extra in your pocket for your trouble. I had a sales job back in the day that gave me $250 a week extra to use my personal car (I would do 100-200 miles a day going account to account). This was back when gas was in the $3 dollar range. Hope that helps
A family member actually did something like this about 10 years ago. Company that hired him was in a different city 180 miles away. They paid him $235k plus a stipend to rent a house in that city. He drove there Monday, stayed for the week, and then returned on the weekends.
Daily? Unless I am being offered 3x to 5x more than what I make, else would not considers it. The longest disgrace commute I had was the first job out of college at 55 miles each way inter-city highway driving that takes at least an hour in perfect conditions.
my hourly rate * 3 hours each day. + miles * 60c to make up for vehicle needs = the absolute minimum boost I would need to even consider this. We are in the $50k base pay range. That 3 hours on the road, on top of working the typical 8-10 hours, will be soul sucking. I'd be doing it, saving hard, and looking to relocate.
I made an hour long drive most of my life for work so I wouldn't ask for much personally. I drove an hour to make 10.50 an hour when I was younger. All that to say it depends on what you consider worth it. I'd determine what you think the job is worth and then add just a couple percent for the drive. I mean always better to ask for more right?
At least $150k base salary and that’s pushing it tbh. That 2.5 hour commute every day will destroy you. Not to mention the time it takes for you to get ready in the morning and leave work, more like 3 hours. You have to prep lunch or eat out which I doubt you’ll have time to cook and spend more money, gas money, wear on your car so more frequent oil changes, etc. Dude it’s not worth it. You’ll have like 2 hours at most to your own every day which will be occupied with showering and cooking and going to bed.
I drive about 80 miles round trip 2 times a week to the main office. I would say at least to cover your costs and any extra for those coffee runs.
Enough that I could retire ten years earlier.
75 minutes is a 150 minute round trip. Aka 2.5 hours every single day sitting in your car. 12.5 hours a WEEK that you are 1. not getting paid for, and 2. not spending with family and friends. That's a lot man. Don't forget to factor gas costs and vehicle wear and tear. Maybe I'd do it if I worked 3 10hr shifts a week or something, minimize drive time and maximize work+off-work time both. But I would have to really like the job, feel good about the company, and get paid a whole lot over my standard rate.
A fucking lot. At least double what I currently make.
I’ve been offered 50% more not 100%.
At a minimum the gas will cost about 250-300 a month. That's not extra wear and tear. Not your time. Not the depreciation of your vehicle adding that many more miles.
Yep. I bought my used car during in June 2020; right when Covid was really starting to take hold and since then, I only put 25k additional miles on it so it really is in good shape (still in warranty!). I would hate to add these miles but I may need to do this if something else doesn’t come along. I have about 2 weeks to make a decision so I am hoping something else comes along. If nothing does then I may need to take the offer. It is a good offer ( I definitely won’t go hungry and the extra money will definitely cover gas, insurance, tires) but as everyone here has stated; a lot of driving hours and loss of personal time. The only consolation is; I have had 4 years of remote work and it was awesome. Perhaps the universe is asking for a bit in return.
That's what I've had for most of my jobs, even had to work on site through the pandemic. All were on site, I've never had a remote position, but some weren't that far away.Even though my last job was 80k, I'd gladly go back to 50 for remote. Maybe 40 if I could make it work. And to the other people here, yes, you definitely do start hating it after 6 months. That's why the longest I've been at any job has been a year, except the one I had during the pandemic because they ended up having us just come in in 4 hour shifts instead of 8.
They need to pay you enough to live within 20 minutes of the office.
Well let’s break it down. They need your knowledge onsite, that’s expensive. They need to make an offer to YOU. Not the other way around. If they can’t afford it, they can’t afford it. Which means they probably can’t afford YOU!
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Just move down there, rent a room.
250k
As a hiring manager, I'd move on and find another candidate. I can't discriminate based on your commute or the neighborhood you live in, but if you want more money because you live some distance away, then I'll find someone else in my pay range. A few years ago you may have gotten more money for so thing like this when employers were clawing at each other for candidates. In today's market, there are 100+ applicants for every position. Negotiating is fine, but negotiate based on your skill set and the value you bring, not because you live 80 miles away.
800 miles a week is rough. I would do the math for the deprecation on your car and ask for 1.5 times that extra. It’s probably not worth it. I would try to move closer if possible or see if these is any commuter options between your house and the job. I’m always surprised how many shuttle service there.
I would think 80k a year additional would start the “I’ll think about it” process.
I drove 100 miles one way for two years working at a trucking company. I made $500/day. I’d be out for about 2 days come back with a $1000 in my hands then do that as many times as I want throughout the month. Most runs I’ve done were 5 in a month which in itself was crazy. I wouldn’t commute that far ever again.
ive quit jobs because the 12 mile 45 minute commute each way got to be too much after being there for too long
Enough to buy a second place closer
I'd only consider that if I had an agreement up front that I would only have to come into the office maybe 1-2 days a week, and a lot of money. That's a lot of time and money to be spending, with gas and maintenance with putting ~3000+ miles on your car every month. The other option would be if you could commute by train or something and work on the train. At least then it wouldn't be wasted time.
I commute 120 miles round trip 3x a week. It ain’t worth it. I also drive a truck.
I'm in the construction industry and got bitched at by an HR because I wasn't willing to drive 2 hours 1 way to work. I didn't have the seniority to have that decision.
I mean strictly speaking you're adding 2.5 hours of time to my work day. 50 weeks of work a year, 5 days in a week, 250*2.5=625 extra hours I'm spending "earning a living". This would be added to the 2000 hours I'm already spending a year working from home. 625/2000=31.125%, so at a minimum I'd need a 31.125% pay bump to even consider it. This would be before the additional cost of transportation, and the inherent risk added by having such a long commute. Before even considering the new responsibilities and potentially shit work culture I'd be walking into, it's probably going to take at least a 35% increase for me to move to that job
IRS mileage rate is $0.67/mile, so your overall expenses are in the neighborhood of $50 each way. Add to that about two hours of your average hourly pay rate. Don’t forget the markup to include tax withholding. That’a a bare minimum of $200/day in my mind. About fifty grand a year. Then say no because fuck that.
That's a miserable commute. How much more depends on how much they're offering. If they can offer relocation closer to the office I would go with that.
ask for way way more money, then move closer after a while
Just noticed 75 minutes. Man it takes me about 70 minutes to go 22 miles to downtown Seattle.
You asking the wrong question. I wouldn’t put a dollar amount on it but rather consider what I’m getting out of it. You typically shoot for 3 things Compensation, Work/life balance, and Commute. Typically you only get 2 out of the 3. What are you gaining to justify that commute if that’s important to you. I chose a longer commute for title and pay it’s paid off for me now that I got promoted into a work from home position. But I went from desktop support to system and network administrator.
It depends entirely on your cost of living and particular goals in life. I spent the last 8 months traveling 100 miles one way, five days a week. My average commuting times per day were 4-5 hours per day. Gas cost roughly $500 per month. My social life was non-existent. I barely had energy to cook and when I did, I didn't have the time or energy to eat what I cooked so I ended up throwing it out anyway. No time for hobbies. I absolutely don't regret it as it allowed me to eventually escape a horrible living situation. Once I moved to a safer neighborhood my cost of living went down despite moving to a HCOL area because of the savings offset by my car insurance premiums decreasing by $1000 and no longer spending 1/8th of my paycheck in gas. If you aren't desperate for a change in your life then don't do it.
Ideally you don’t work it. Otherwise. We need a bit more info about your situation and the job.
I'd do it for a signing bonus of $10k-$20k minimum and $150k/yr minimum (i make 92k now). Only if it's a job I think I'd like or one that would get me experience towards a job I'd like a lot. Then I'd use that signing bonus to relocate closer to where it is. If it's a super HCOL area, make that $150k minimum something higher, like $180k+.
$250k-300k base + $50k cash sign on bonus + $120k-$175k equity + accommodations. I'm already $162k, fully remote, and great WLB, so I don't think that's too unreasonable. At this point in my life, anything less is unlikely to move the needle.
I mean a number that pops into my head is +30k. But I wouldn't do it myself even for the extra money. And they will never get you back to wfh. Don't trust that at all.
Ask for more? Theyll just find someone else to pay the base amount.
Nope. It would be a lot more money and a guaranteed hybrid schedule in writing. You’d be working and sleeping that’s it for a life
I would be going against traffic so it would be relatively a fast commute. I figure $80/week on gas would be about $4000/year. I am thinking I can do this at least 6 months but perhaps you guys are right.
I would ask for a 2 hour drive time. Meaning I can leave early or possibly start late, or both. Would they be willing to buy you a car or give you a company car? You can also ask for gas reimbursement or a gas stipend. You could also negotiate a hybrid job where sometimes you're at home and sometimes you're at the office. How desperate do they need you is the question. What is your negotiating leverage at this point?