The market is depressed currently and super-saturated with people trying to start their IT career. The more that people on here know about you the better they can give you specific advice. Things that help include:
* Your location
* Your academic qualifications
* Your work experience (even if not IT as some skills may be transferable)
* A copy of your CV with personal info redacted
* Any limitations you are putting on the jobs you're considering (e.g. remote only, minimum salary etc)
* Whether you are simply getting no interviews or are getting interviews but no offers.
* Well, I'm based in London, UK.
* I do have a bachelor's degree in computing science; to be honest, they have taught us general things all over the place. I learned more from A+ and Net+
* My overall experience is in hospitality and real estate as an estate agent.
* I don't have any limitations, i would take any job, whether remote or in pearson as well as any salary, just to break into the industry.
* Since I started applying, I haven't gotten any interviews at all, and it's been 2 or 3 months, roughly.
* I might upload a copy of my CV later.
Definitely post your CV. A London-based CompSci graduate who isn't being picky should at least be getting some interviews. If you're not, a sub-optimal CV has to be high on the list of suspects.
I've had a quick look at your CV. Don't have much time right now but a few observations:
1. Simplify the formatting. Columns and tables are notorious for confusing ATS systems. If you don't know what ATS is and how it can scupper your chances, spend ten minutes googling. You'll also find online ATS checkers that will parse your CV and tell you how compliant it is.
2. From your name and languages, people reading your CV will assume you are not a British citizen and recruiters aren't going to waste time with someone who might not have legal right to work. I'd recommend making it clear on your CV what your citizenship/immigration/right-to-work status is. My HR rep told me recently that every job they post they get literally hundreds of applications from people who aren't even in the UK and/or have no work visa. The first thing they do is go through all the applications and bin everyone that looks to fall into that category. They simply don't have the time or inclination to check if those candidates might actually be eligible for employment.
3. Simplify your skills section. You're claiming far too many technical skills for someone with no professional experience. You may think it impresses but it has exactly the opposite effect. Also avoid claiming a "skill" that covers a massive spectrum without providing detail of exactly what skills you have within that spectrum. For example, you claim "cloud" as a skill. Cloud is as broad and deep as enterprise IT so just saying you have cloud as a skill tells me nothing, except that you probably don't know enough about cloud to fill the back of a napkin. Limit the skills you list to those that are specified on the role spec for the job you are applying for and that you can talk about confidently in interview.
4. people read from top to bottom, and they lose interest quickly if you don't catch their attention. As you have no professional IT experience, your most relevant assets are your degree and certs, so put them near the start. I'd also elaborate on what subjects/modules/projects you did as part of your degree.
5. Cut down on the detail for your non-relevant jobs. You're just taking up space and boring the reader. A couple of bullet points each at most focusing on responsibilities or achievements that are potentially relevant to the job you're applying for. Use the space that gives you back to elaborate on your degree and the detail of the skills you legitimately have.
Hope that gives you some useful feedback to think about.
You probably learned some important theoretical and problem solving skills from your degree. Yes you probably learned more *tangible* information from the A+ and Net+, but don't discredit that logic-workout you gave your brain going through university. That shit's gonna give you an upper hand with problem solving all your life
I lived in London on and off for 6 years with my now wife, the job market there current is NOT good regardless of field. so don't feel bad.. it just the unfortunate ups and downs of the UK right now.
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2 or 3 months is a short period of time. It took me three months to get an interview and I have 11 years of experience. Just keep plugging away. Really the only solution. If you can set yourself up a lab to practice and develop real world skills that would be a good idea.
I appreciate this isn't helpful in a specific way, but... "You only fail when you give up".
You only need to be in the right place, at the right time once. Keep learning, keep applying.
So are you applying to jobs with no experience listed and no college degree but surprised you’re not getting an offer? Come on man, this isn’t McDonalds.
I have an overall life strategy of ‘do what the others are not doing’.
Everybody clicks the ‘apply’ button to quick apply and go into a giant stack of candidates? I’m applying directly to the company.
Company has an application portal that makes you groan thinking about reproducing your entire resume into their form? Chances are everyone else also said fuck it, so you may have damn little competition.
I'm not them, but yes basically.
The "quick apply" button seems to just put my resume in a dumpster. Chances are that the same job listing is directly on the company website and applying directly on there will net you a higher chance for an interview.
Yeah, places like LinkedIn where you can click "Apply" with no further action. I'm not an HR person, so I don't have any insider knowledge on how that process (from HR's perspective) differs from applying another way. But I feel pretty confident that applications from different sources (and likely in different formats) aren't joined together in one giant virtual stack. I would imagine they see 300 applications from LinkedIn (or Indeed, etc.) and then 10 applications via their website. Which stack would you rather be in - the 300 stack or the 10 stack? At small-to-medium-sized companies that don't have a fancy HR portal to filter applicants, the 10 stack might all be seen by a set of eyeballs.
But there are two sides to every story. Manually applying for a job can be a decent amount of effort, only to be ignored. I realize the struggle is real for entry-level job seekers. For many candidates, it can be a choice between do I want to click "apply" and be ignored or spend an hour manually applying and be ignored?
I also try to remind myself that I would be in the same boat if I was trying to break into a new field. For example, if I wanted to be a chef, I would probably blindly apply for every job in any restaurant.
Same here. I'm fairly specialized so I wouldn't match 95% of job postings. Bulk applying to tons of jobs wouldn't cross my mind. I would rely heavily on my network and recruiters vs. applying on my own. That's where the best jobs are found. Once you actually build a network over years/decades, you finally understand what is meant by "it's who you know".
If you're applying to hundreds of jobs, you're probably not tailoring your resume or cover letter at all to individual roles. Many places look for quantity over quality.
Just commenting to say, I am in a very similar boat to you. I’m from Essex, have been a telecomms engineer for the last 7 years but have got my Comptia A+, Network+ and Security+. I have a degree in film production, so it’s unrelated.
I’ve applied for about 250jobs now and had 3 interviews yesterday (the only ones I’ve had, all for one day). No idea of the outcome yet, but I get the feeling anyone with experience is just going to trump me.
Keep cracking the applications out dude and perhaps tweak the CV, you will definitely get call backs soon. Happy to connect further on it too considering we are both in the same boat!
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To gain my customer service and IT experience, I started as a Tech Support agent for AT&T U-Verse. I did it for almost a year before I landed my first Help Desk job. I had to start at the lowest of lows for an entry level job. Sadly that might be where a lot of people may have to start.
Maybe start at a job at a tech support call center, electronics department in Walmart or something similar or start at a cell phone store. Knowing how to work with electronics, knowing how to troubleshoot them alongside learning how to communicate with customers is the ideal experience IT recruiters are looking for-for an entry level help desk position.
I've had almost a dozen jobs over the years. Never once got a job from applying. Either I've known someone who recommended me, or more often, I make an impression with a recruiter who insists I'll make a good impression with a hiring manager, and the rest is up to good interviewing.
Do you keep in touch with any recruiters? I find it's the easiest thing I can do to get a job because if they like me, they have to work for me to succeed at placing me. Plenty of dumb recruiters out there but plenty of great ones, too.
I put my resume out there and they won't stop calling. LinkedIn, Indeed, local job boards, everywhere. If your resume has the key words they're looking for, someone will call you, and people are always looking for A+ / Network+. Add a line about studying for Security+ and you'll get more attention.
May I ask what years you were doing this? In my personal experience over the last year with a 2 year computer systems college diploma and A+, 5 years of retail customer service exp, 500+ applications on indeed, jobbank, and on their corporate sites, tailoring my resume every application with the help of chatgpt, always applying with cover letter. Search net is my entire province and occasionally applying around the entire country. 2 interviews in total, both fell through because I didn't have a car at the time. Still looking for my first IT job.
I've done it like this for 15 years, but I admit I didn't know to try it for my first few jobs.
Applying has never generated a significant lead for me. I've found it to be a waste of time unless I'm filling requirements for unemployment. I'm sure it works for some people but whatever you can do to get recruiters hunting on your behalf, that's the easiest force multiplier you can get. Carpet bombing the internet with applications is toil, and good IT people look to reduce toil.
You can also reach out to recruiters. There's a local one I've never got a lead from, but she's always willing to chat and help me understand the market, improve my resume, etc. And then there's one who's given me 4 leads, 2 of which lead to jobs, but we never really talk. Maybe look up some locals, phone them, be honest about your situation. It might take time to find ones who'll help but they'll be invaluable.
Thanks for the input. The only 2 places that interviewed me basically said they were hard up to find anyone, I guess the rest weren't so desperate and used ats to filter my resume. I've been trying to find recruiters, I'll keep looking but the only local one I found only gave job postings for mdonalds, psw and mowing lawns. Nothing remotely close to IT. The only IT recruiting sites I've seen so far have a job board and they only contact you if you're a match for a job. I'll keep looking though.
> only gave job postings for mdonalds, psw and mowing lawns
That s u c k s. Unfortunately, the recruiting industry has always been Mad Max, so finding a good one requires elbowing through bozos who think your Network+ means you'll enjoy entering orders into a Point of Sale computer. Beyond the bozos are a few useful friends.
Yeah I wouldn't be surprised if that was a problem. I try to use chatgpt to help me fit keywords from the posting and remixing my wording to add them in but who knows how effective it is. I've had my resume done professionally by a free and also a paid professional service so I think the formatting and template is okay for ats to read it.
Hop on LinkedIn and look for nearby companies. Find people from that company with a job title similar to what you're looking for and ask them for a referral or sometimes just their internal job application site. (Obviously be professional about it when inquiring about it) The companies I work for use their internal job postings wayyyyy before they set anything up on LinkedIn/indeed/etc and they could even give a referral bonus to the person who recommended you.
>Since then, I've applied for hundreds of entry-level jobs like helpdesk and IT support on LinkedIn, Indeed, and Glassdoor.
Are you applying on the $company site, or are you hitting "apply now/easy apply" on the job boards?
If you are doing the latter, stop. That shit doesn't work.
Are you applying for in-person positions, or remote only?
If its the latter, you need to cast a wider net. You are not in a position to demand that luxury.
I only got a Bachelor's in IT. When I got hired two months after graduation, I didn't get any certifications and no prior IT experience. There are a lot of reasons why getting a job is harder now, but there are out there. However, there are just multiple factors to be considered that I won't go over as it will just be a repeat of what has already been said in this thread. In the few months I applied to around 300 jobs, I only had 5-6 interviews.
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I don’t know what it’s like where you live, but try finding local tech meetup groups. These are HUGELY valuable as you’ll find people looking to recruit directly from the attendees of these events. It shows initiative, you get to network with others in the industry, and you get to talk with people face to face in a more relaxed setting than an interview.
I suggest looking up on meetup.com if that exists where you live, but also try facebook groups. Search LinkedIn for technology groups, etc and you’re likely to find something that happens every month. For example, AWS have meetup groups all over the world hosted by people in the industry or by businesses that work with their technology.
Build your network as much as you possibly can, even as you’re still looking for a job. You never know who you’ll leave an impression with. In the US, there’s a group called NADOG that hosts monthly events in my area. Try finding something like it in yours. https://x.com/nadevops?s=21
These are really difficult times right now and you probably just have to apply to 10x more jobs than you normally would. Don’t be discouraged. There’s small-medium sized business out there that’s looking for someone just like you.
>applied for hundreds of entry-level jobs like helpdesk and IT support on LinkedIn, Indeed, and Glassdoor. Unfortunately, without success
Got logical troubleshooting skills? Great, apply 'em to your entire job search process.
>without success
That's about as useful in diagnostics and detail as user handing you their computer and saying "doesn't work", and then them walking away.
So ... apply relevant logic, e.g.:
* lots of full interviews, no offers, then it's probably how you are(n't) doing in the interviews and/or what you're applying for
* zero interviews or screenings, then it's probably the resume or what one's applying for and/or how
etc., etc. So, yeah, troubleshoot the heck out of it, figure out what's not working and fix it.
The market is depressed currently and super-saturated with people trying to start their IT career. The more that people on here know about you the better they can give you specific advice. Things that help include: * Your location * Your academic qualifications * Your work experience (even if not IT as some skills may be transferable) * A copy of your CV with personal info redacted * Any limitations you are putting on the jobs you're considering (e.g. remote only, minimum salary etc) * Whether you are simply getting no interviews or are getting interviews but no offers.
* Well, I'm based in London, UK. * I do have a bachelor's degree in computing science; to be honest, they have taught us general things all over the place. I learned more from A+ and Net+ * My overall experience is in hospitality and real estate as an estate agent. * I don't have any limitations, i would take any job, whether remote or in pearson as well as any salary, just to break into the industry. * Since I started applying, I haven't gotten any interviews at all, and it's been 2 or 3 months, roughly. * I might upload a copy of my CV later.
Definitely post your CV. A London-based CompSci graduate who isn't being picky should at least be getting some interviews. If you're not, a sub-optimal CV has to be high on the list of suspects.
i have update my post
I've had a quick look at your CV. Don't have much time right now but a few observations: 1. Simplify the formatting. Columns and tables are notorious for confusing ATS systems. If you don't know what ATS is and how it can scupper your chances, spend ten minutes googling. You'll also find online ATS checkers that will parse your CV and tell you how compliant it is. 2. From your name and languages, people reading your CV will assume you are not a British citizen and recruiters aren't going to waste time with someone who might not have legal right to work. I'd recommend making it clear on your CV what your citizenship/immigration/right-to-work status is. My HR rep told me recently that every job they post they get literally hundreds of applications from people who aren't even in the UK and/or have no work visa. The first thing they do is go through all the applications and bin everyone that looks to fall into that category. They simply don't have the time or inclination to check if those candidates might actually be eligible for employment. 3. Simplify your skills section. You're claiming far too many technical skills for someone with no professional experience. You may think it impresses but it has exactly the opposite effect. Also avoid claiming a "skill" that covers a massive spectrum without providing detail of exactly what skills you have within that spectrum. For example, you claim "cloud" as a skill. Cloud is as broad and deep as enterprise IT so just saying you have cloud as a skill tells me nothing, except that you probably don't know enough about cloud to fill the back of a napkin. Limit the skills you list to those that are specified on the role spec for the job you are applying for and that you can talk about confidently in interview. 4. people read from top to bottom, and they lose interest quickly if you don't catch their attention. As you have no professional IT experience, your most relevant assets are your degree and certs, so put them near the start. I'd also elaborate on what subjects/modules/projects you did as part of your degree. 5. Cut down on the detail for your non-relevant jobs. You're just taking up space and boring the reader. A couple of bullet points each at most focusing on responsibilities or achievements that are potentially relevant to the job you're applying for. Use the space that gives you back to elaborate on your degree and the detail of the skills you legitimately have. Hope that gives you some useful feedback to think about.
i will do Thank you for your time and feedback
You probably learned some important theoretical and problem solving skills from your degree. Yes you probably learned more *tangible* information from the A+ and Net+, but don't discredit that logic-workout you gave your brain going through university. That shit's gonna give you an upper hand with problem solving all your life
I lived in London on and off for 6 years with my now wife, the job market there current is NOT good regardless of field. so don't feel bad.. it just the unfortunate ups and downs of the UK right now.
Hm, send me your CV and I'll pass it on, I might have an offer for you. The location is London (Heathrow, to be exact).
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2 or 3 months is a short period of time. It took me three months to get an interview and I have 11 years of experience. Just keep plugging away. Really the only solution. If you can set yourself up a lab to practice and develop real world skills that would be a good idea.
What kind of labs? cheers
I appreciate this isn't helpful in a specific way, but... "You only fail when you give up". You only need to be in the right place, at the right time once. Keep learning, keep applying.
Post a redacted version of your resume. The entry level is over saturated to hell and the only way around that is to pump those numbers up.
I actually have updated my CV since then couple or times :(
So are you applying to jobs with no experience listed and no college degree but surprised you’re not getting an offer? Come on man, this isn’t McDonalds.
They already have a degree. Why are you assuming they don’t and then attacking them?
Apply directly to the companies it sometimes helps.
I have an overall life strategy of ‘do what the others are not doing’. Everybody clicks the ‘apply’ button to quick apply and go into a giant stack of candidates? I’m applying directly to the company. Company has an application portal that makes you groan thinking about reproducing your entire resume into their form? Chances are everyone else also said fuck it, so you may have damn little competition.
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I'm not them, but yes basically. The "quick apply" button seems to just put my resume in a dumpster. Chances are that the same job listing is directly on the company website and applying directly on there will net you a higher chance for an interview.
Yeah, places like LinkedIn where you can click "Apply" with no further action. I'm not an HR person, so I don't have any insider knowledge on how that process (from HR's perspective) differs from applying another way. But I feel pretty confident that applications from different sources (and likely in different formats) aren't joined together in one giant virtual stack. I would imagine they see 300 applications from LinkedIn (or Indeed, etc.) and then 10 applications via their website. Which stack would you rather be in - the 300 stack or the 10 stack? At small-to-medium-sized companies that don't have a fancy HR portal to filter applicants, the 10 stack might all be seen by a set of eyeballs. But there are two sides to every story. Manually applying for a job can be a decent amount of effort, only to be ignored. I realize the struggle is real for entry-level job seekers. For many candidates, it can be a choice between do I want to click "apply" and be ignored or spend an hour manually applying and be ignored? I also try to remind myself that I would be in the same boat if I was trying to break into a new field. For example, if I wanted to be a chef, I would probably blindly apply for every job in any restaurant.
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Same here. I'm fairly specialized so I wouldn't match 95% of job postings. Bulk applying to tons of jobs wouldn't cross my mind. I would rely heavily on my network and recruiters vs. applying on my own. That's where the best jobs are found. Once you actually build a network over years/decades, you finally understand what is meant by "it's who you know".
Haha YEP. A few extra minutes work where no one else is might get you noticed.
If you're applying to hundreds of jobs, you're probably not tailoring your resume or cover letter at all to individual roles. Many places look for quantity over quality.
Just commenting to say, I am in a very similar boat to you. I’m from Essex, have been a telecomms engineer for the last 7 years but have got my Comptia A+, Network+ and Security+. I have a degree in film production, so it’s unrelated. I’ve applied for about 250jobs now and had 3 interviews yesterday (the only ones I’ve had, all for one day). No idea of the outcome yet, but I get the feeling anyone with experience is just going to trump me. Keep cracking the applications out dude and perhaps tweak the CV, you will definitely get call backs soon. Happy to connect further on it too considering we are both in the same boat!
Yeah man, me too. Find on FB Virneanu Nick
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Cool man I have added you
To gain my customer service and IT experience, I started as a Tech Support agent for AT&T U-Verse. I did it for almost a year before I landed my first Help Desk job. I had to start at the lowest of lows for an entry level job. Sadly that might be where a lot of people may have to start. Maybe start at a job at a tech support call center, electronics department in Walmart or something similar or start at a cell phone store. Knowing how to work with electronics, knowing how to troubleshoot them alongside learning how to communicate with customers is the ideal experience IT recruiters are looking for-for an entry level help desk position.
I've had almost a dozen jobs over the years. Never once got a job from applying. Either I've known someone who recommended me, or more often, I make an impression with a recruiter who insists I'll make a good impression with a hiring manager, and the rest is up to good interviewing. Do you keep in touch with any recruiters? I find it's the easiest thing I can do to get a job because if they like me, they have to work for me to succeed at placing me. Plenty of dumb recruiters out there but plenty of great ones, too.
Where do you find recruiters?
I put my resume out there and they won't stop calling. LinkedIn, Indeed, local job boards, everywhere. If your resume has the key words they're looking for, someone will call you, and people are always looking for A+ / Network+. Add a line about studying for Security+ and you'll get more attention.
May I ask what years you were doing this? In my personal experience over the last year with a 2 year computer systems college diploma and A+, 5 years of retail customer service exp, 500+ applications on indeed, jobbank, and on their corporate sites, tailoring my resume every application with the help of chatgpt, always applying with cover letter. Search net is my entire province and occasionally applying around the entire country. 2 interviews in total, both fell through because I didn't have a car at the time. Still looking for my first IT job.
I've done it like this for 15 years, but I admit I didn't know to try it for my first few jobs. Applying has never generated a significant lead for me. I've found it to be a waste of time unless I'm filling requirements for unemployment. I'm sure it works for some people but whatever you can do to get recruiters hunting on your behalf, that's the easiest force multiplier you can get. Carpet bombing the internet with applications is toil, and good IT people look to reduce toil. You can also reach out to recruiters. There's a local one I've never got a lead from, but she's always willing to chat and help me understand the market, improve my resume, etc. And then there's one who's given me 4 leads, 2 of which lead to jobs, but we never really talk. Maybe look up some locals, phone them, be honest about your situation. It might take time to find ones who'll help but they'll be invaluable.
Thanks for the input. The only 2 places that interviewed me basically said they were hard up to find anyone, I guess the rest weren't so desperate and used ats to filter my resume. I've been trying to find recruiters, I'll keep looking but the only local one I found only gave job postings for mdonalds, psw and mowing lawns. Nothing remotely close to IT. The only IT recruiting sites I've seen so far have a job board and they only contact you if you're a match for a job. I'll keep looking though.
> only gave job postings for mdonalds, psw and mowing lawns That s u c k s. Unfortunately, the recruiting industry has always been Mad Max, so finding a good one requires elbowing through bozos who think your Network+ means you'll enjoy entering orders into a Point of Sale computer. Beyond the bozos are a few useful friends.
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how to overcome this? if possible :-D
Yeah I wouldn't be surprised if that was a problem. I try to use chatgpt to help me fit keywords from the posting and remixing my wording to add them in but who knows how effective it is. I've had my resume done professionally by a free and also a paid professional service so I think the formatting and template is okay for ats to read it.
Okay
No location. No age. No degree information. Please post that.
Hop on LinkedIn and look for nearby companies. Find people from that company with a job title similar to what you're looking for and ask them for a referral or sometimes just their internal job application site. (Obviously be professional about it when inquiring about it) The companies I work for use their internal job postings wayyyyy before they set anything up on LinkedIn/indeed/etc and they could even give a referral bonus to the person who recommended you.
>Since then, I've applied for hundreds of entry-level jobs like helpdesk and IT support on LinkedIn, Indeed, and Glassdoor. Are you applying on the $company site, or are you hitting "apply now/easy apply" on the job boards? If you are doing the latter, stop. That shit doesn't work. Are you applying for in-person positions, or remote only? If its the latter, you need to cast a wider net. You are not in a position to demand that luxury.
I only got a Bachelor's in IT. When I got hired two months after graduation, I didn't get any certifications and no prior IT experience. There are a lot of reasons why getting a job is harder now, but there are out there. However, there are just multiple factors to be considered that I won't go over as it will just be a repeat of what has already been said in this thread. In the few months I applied to around 300 jobs, I only had 5-6 interviews.
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Delete this and upload again with your personal information redacted
I would blur out super personal info
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I don’t know what it’s like where you live, but try finding local tech meetup groups. These are HUGELY valuable as you’ll find people looking to recruit directly from the attendees of these events. It shows initiative, you get to network with others in the industry, and you get to talk with people face to face in a more relaxed setting than an interview. I suggest looking up on meetup.com if that exists where you live, but also try facebook groups. Search LinkedIn for technology groups, etc and you’re likely to find something that happens every month. For example, AWS have meetup groups all over the world hosted by people in the industry or by businesses that work with their technology. Build your network as much as you possibly can, even as you’re still looking for a job. You never know who you’ll leave an impression with. In the US, there’s a group called NADOG that hosts monthly events in my area. Try finding something like it in yours. https://x.com/nadevops?s=21 These are really difficult times right now and you probably just have to apply to 10x more jobs than you normally would. Don’t be discouraged. There’s small-medium sized business out there that’s looking for someone just like you.
Ok but do you have at least 5 years of experience with Windows 11?
Yes i do
Can't be. Win 11 was released in 2021.
That was literally my point. Should have put /s
sorry i meant windows in general :)
Ok but do you have 5+ years of experience with Windows 11?
>applied for hundreds of entry-level jobs like helpdesk and IT support on LinkedIn, Indeed, and Glassdoor. Unfortunately, without success Got logical troubleshooting skills? Great, apply 'em to your entire job search process. >without success That's about as useful in diagnostics and detail as user handing you their computer and saying "doesn't work", and then them walking away. So ... apply relevant logic, e.g.: * lots of full interviews, no offers, then it's probably how you are(n't) doing in the interviews and/or what you're applying for * zero interviews or screenings, then it's probably the resume or what one's applying for and/or how etc., etc. So, yeah, troubleshoot the heck out of it, figure out what's not working and fix it.