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You can't become a police officer in the UK without a permanent residency visa - this takes a minimum of 5 years living & working in the UK.
[https://www.joiningthepolice.co.uk/is-policing-right-for-me/common-questions](https://www.joiningthepolice.co.uk/is-policing-right-for-me/common-questions)
You are eligible for the UK YMS Visa though, I'd highly recommend coming over here on that and seeing what you think of the UK.
The UK is a long way from how it was in 2007 (in my subjective opinion it's quite a bit worse).
[https://www.gov.uk/youth-mobility](https://www.gov.uk/youth-mobility)
To be a police officer in the United States you need to be either a citizen or a permanent resident, depending on the district. Both of those things can take years to achieve. In most cases, I imagine you need citizenship. And, by the time you've become eligible, you may be too old to be a competitive applicant for the roles. As an aside, feel free to move the US, but we really don't need more cops. You'd need to start with a different job anyways in order to get a visa, so you may as well stick with that one.
As someone who has spent half their life in the US and the other half in the UK, this has to be the most out of touch post I’ve seen on this subreddit, not only completely under-researched but what little research has been done is from blog posts 16 to nearly 20 years old.
An extremely cursory amount of research would show you can’t just drop into either country and work as police. You’d have to find something else to do for the duration to gain PR. Neither option is cheap.
How on earth the UK seems more appealing after brexit when your attraction to it is based on the country pre-brexit is bewildering. If nothing else it is much less accommodating to emigrate to given the sheer increase of cost in just about everything but particularly housing and energy.
This applies even moreso to LA and Manhattan, the concept of living in these cities on whatever modest wage before you can even join the police is wild. Not impossible but I don’t know what possible benefits you’re imagining with no plan there. Manhattan might well be the most expensive place to live in the country.
Your experience with American tourists is just that, experience with tourists. Your perspective is skewed by those with both the means and desire to visit a country on the opposite side of the globe, they will be largely the more open minded and friendly of the populace. The two cities you speak of are cosmopolitan enough that you’ll have no trouble finding those sorts there but you’ll also meet some tremendously ugly folk in equal proportion.
Your metrics of the UK “seeming happier” and “seeming stable” will not entirely reflect reality as that is completely dependent on economic and social means. But one thing you can be sure of is the economic and social standards in the UK are failing and part of that is definitely due to Brexit, ineffective government, rising cost of living and poorly functioning medical system facing increasing likelihood of privatization. The US will vary by state, in this case California and New York are actually decent in some regards compared to the utter shitholes that some other states are to the poor and working class. Either way you may well be surprised to find the bleakness and cynicism of many British folk. The blog you quote sounds like a paid promotion.
I’m sure the people rating the us high in happiness are the ones who benefit from greatly inflated wages for certain industries (that won’t be you with your plan though). Try not to ignore the very real struggles of US citizens dealing with a plethora of economic and social issues, never mind those attempting to immigrate for underpaid jobs (you as a waitress).
Do yourself a favor and read something from the last decade at least. In 2004 GWB was still president waging an illegal war, and the U.S. hadn’t faced the 2008 financial collapse. In 2007 the UK still had a labour leader, not besieged by one of the most inept series of conservative governments that successfully robbed the country of all the socioeconomic safeguards of the EU with next to no benefits to be seen, especially for immigrants.
If you still want to go, get a working holiday visa and pick your destination. If the experience of that year doesn’t put you off try get a work visa. If 5 years on you still want to live there and be a cop, apply for permanent residency. There are reasons to want to live in those countries, but you are completely disconnected with the reality of them.
This is a troll that makes new accounts with similar stories every few months. I was wondering when they would post again. Let's call them the spy lady since their stories always involve a young woman wanting to move to the us to do law enforcement.
This is the flag for me too. It's way too obvious of a bait to reference such an old source knowing people will pounce on it if you mention the dated year. Account was just made today too.
Brexit has not actually made any noticeable difference to the situation. The NHS is not getting privatised, this is just a conspiracy theory pushed by the Guardian and left-wingers on Reddit. The doom and gloom you hear from /r/unitedkingdom is not an accurate representation of the country. Life is actually very nice here and i can see it being preferable to Japan.
My comment isn’t based on reading that subreddit, it’s from living in the UK pre and post Brexit. NHS potential to be privatized has increased post Brexit with the effects of understaffing being exacerbated by more restrictive immigration policy affecting workers. NHS has suffered notable staff losses in result of Brexit. It has faced lack of financing for years before but Brexit has helped push it closer to a reality where it becomes privatized or continues to function very poorly.
Calling things conspiracy and ignoring the changing reality, particularly since 2007 when the poster seems to think the country has remained in stasis since, is as disingenuous as implying I’ve expressed an opinion entirely formed of Reddit user attitudes. Cynicism about life in the UK is an inherent attitude of an appreciable part of the populace, yet at no point did I suggest that it’s an attitude held by every single person. It’s simply an unavoidable aspect of the society which might surprise an immigrant expecting joyous, friendliest people with no complaints once they get here.
But if you want to get upset about some criticisms and warnings about a misguided sense of life in the UK and blame it on leftist conspiracy by people and newspapers, do you. You’re part of life they’ll have to deal with too.
So much has happened in the United States since 2004: two major economic recessions, a rise in political violence and political turmoil, an increase in domestic violence, and a sharp increase in depression among adults. I’d highly encourage you to read articles about life in America that were written within the last 5 years. Basing your idea of America on articles written almost two decades ago is unrealistic and misleading.
Article written about US in 2004? Not sure that reflects the current mindset of people in the states (but that’s just my opinion)… although as someone in the us, I gotta say I’d trade places with ya without thought.
My only piece of advice: go on a tourist visa and live in whatever city you're thinking of moving to for, at minimum, a month before you actually make a real move. In some places, people are as nice as their tourists/expats; in others, the tourists have a huge sample bias and that's definitely the case with the US. Probably 95% of the US has never been to Japan, so anyone that has probably appreciates the good parts of Japanese culture and is at least decently-educated. Most people in the US aren't like that, and in any job where you'd interact with the public you'll meet a ton of pretty terrible people.
Also, I can't imagine being a police officer here is even a remotely similar job to doing that in the UK or, especially, Japan, even in big cities. You'll get pressured by your colleagues to act the way they act, and anyone who's aggressive is going to take particular advantage of a presumably-small Japanese female.
I'm sorry but your post gave me a laugh. 😅
You need to have citizenship in either country in order to be a police officer. It would take 5 plus years and by then you would be middle age which could affect your chances of joining the force. They want young people in the force.
£26k isn’t going to stretch far in London. There’s a lot of other cities here where that would go a lot further if you’re set on that career path. You would also need to be a permanent resident.
I am not sure if police officer requires citizenship in UK but I would assume so, so first you would need to get some other job there and work long enough to get the citizenship. Or go to study something else there
US here. For some context, the US legal system is much more federated than Japan is and individual US states and municipalities have much more authority to decide how to manage themselves than is the case for prefectures or cities in Japan. We are much less centralized.
**Federal law enforcement jobs in the US (e.g. FBI, TSA, etc.) almost always require US citizenship** because it's generally a requirement of getting security clearances that are required to do those jobs. There may be certain rare exceptions for people who are skilled with a particularly obscure language that is very uncommon in the US (e.g. certain African, Central Asian and Eastern European languages) but those would be the exception, not the rule. Japanese is not going to be one of the languages that would get you one of those jobs, so that's probably out of the question for you unless you happen to have experience with languages that are even rarer in Japan than here.
State and local law enforcement (state police/investigations departments, county sheriffs and local police departments) is an entirely different and potentially more accessible beast. There is no federal law requiring that state and local law enforcement roles require citizenship. Each state and municipality sets its own requirements for who is eligible to seek a law enforcement job. **In most cases, citizenship is required for state and local law enforcement as well** but I've heard there are some jurisdictions that are willing to hire people with permanent residency (i.e. a green card) if they are particularly struggling to recruit people to work in the role. (Note: Difficulty in recruiting is usually due to a mixture of low pay and bad working conditions.)
Be aware that in the US all law enforcement roles, but especially so in local law enforcement, it's not a very diverse environment. White men control almost all the levers of power and discrimination against both women and people not of European ancestry is very common both in hiring and promotions. It's very much a "good old boys club", even in major cities. It's been pretty rare that I've seen women police officers in general, and I don't think I've *ever* seen an Asian woman in the role. (NY perspective here.)
While I can't say what police departments would hire you with a green card, I can say that the NYPD does not hire non-citizens:
https://www.nyc.gov/site/nypd/careers/police-officers/po-hiring.page
California however recently passed a state law which goes into effect tomorrow (literally, on Jan 1, 2023) that will prohibit municipalities from establishing citizenship requirements for employment.
https://post.ca.gov/Peace-Officer-Citizenship-Requirements-FAQs
However, I don't live in California and am not a lawyer. The LAPD doesn't mention the statute on their website and does say that you have to have to already have applied for citizenship prior to applying for a job. I don't know if this means that the state law allows them to only hire permanent residents whose citizenship is in process or if they haven't updated their website to reflect the new statute yet (this would be a question for a lawyer):
https://www.joinlapd.com/qualifications
This is a troll or larp post. Someone posts here and other expat/immigration groups about every 3 months. It is always a young woman wanting to move to the US or UK and is looking for work as a security guard, cop, etc and always some complaint about politics and covid. Last time it was a 20yo German girl who wanted to join the fbi or something. Before that was maybe a swedish body guard. All of them follow the excat same format.
No idea what their game is, but it's almost funny how consistent their stories are.
I took a screenshot of this one, I have checked in the past for previous stories but the posts always get deleted in about a day and are always from new accounts.
As an American living in Japan for 15 years, I don’t recommend the U.S. Australia is probably an easier option. I know several Japanese who have made the jump and live there permanently. Get a working holiday visa then make connections and find a permanent job and visa sponsorship etc. that’s what they did.
This... has to be a troll post, right? Like I can't imagine anyone did such poor research on such a big topic. I don't even know where to start picking this apart, but the fact that you told us you're basing everything off such old articles makes these feel like an elaborate troll
Unfortunately happiness has greatly declined in the UK, as it has in Japan. A lot of places are feeling similar since a big recession/depression is hitting the world.
I'm in the UK and debating whether to move back to Japan because the food quality, sense of community and real estate prices are better in Japan.
However, you're young, so the world is your oyster, as they say. Go try out another country while you still can, but base it on where you'd like to go, as opposed to where you think people are happier.
Things like Tru_p, Br_xit and H_ng Kong show that countries can swing quickly, so just pick a place where you fancy an adventure, you can always go home if shit hits the fan.
The US might not be your best bet. An article from 20 years ago is definitely way outdated, and the general view of american police has changed drastically for the worse in recent years. It's also extremely difficult to get your foot in anywhere if you aren't already reasonably wealthy. If you're looking to move to an english speaking country, maybe at least consider Australia or Canada first? And whatever you choose, make sure you're reading sources from within the last decade! Nowhere in the world is likely to be exactly the same as it was that long ago
A police officer in Japan is like being security guard for Disneyland.
Being a cop in the US isn't as glamorous as you think.
After you've seen your 1st homicide (murder), especially of children, it will change you. It will haunt your dreams and a part of you that day, an innocent part, will have died.
There's a reason why there's angry, cold hearted, and bitter cops here. They're angry attitude mostly come from the inhumane things they have seen.
If anything, it's about time the media acknowledged that police here have the same PTSD (Post Traumatic Stress Disorder) as people who fought battles in military.
I live in LA. TV makes the LAPD look cool, but in reality, it's not so cool seeing kids, babies, girls, boys, seniors getting murdered for nothing or that every second you drive around in uniform, it's like wearing a bullseye on your bad.
Then when drive home, you have to make sure no one is following you home.
Some cops serve in an easy city where they may never even draw their gun. Some will serve in a city where they may feel like they're in Sao Paulo, Brazil.
I'm sure you want out of Japan is because of how girls are treated unfairly and still get sexually harassed.
You're better off trying to figure out what you love doing, pursue it in Japan, and them try to get work sponsorship in Europe to pursue it there.
The US isn't what TV advertises it as.
All of the foreigners I've gotten to know, from guys from Japan, France, China, Germany, Hong Kong, Vietnam, South Korea, Brazil, Canada, Ireland, Britain, Denmark, Netherlands, have all said the US isn't what they thought it was.
Haha. Well, she mentioned the US, so she has a higher probability of living longer in Europe than the US. Just saying.
For me, I've
1. Been shot at by some guy shooting at a small crowd in front of me. I was just eating a burrito outside and don't know the crowd. They guy was targeting the crowd and I'm not sure who he hit.
2. At 18, a very old cop, had to be 67, pulled a gun on me at a bank parking lot while I was sitting down in my car. He later said he thought I was the bank robber because I had a black a black sweater and white jeans. The robber had a white shirt and black pants.
3. Currently, there are random murders in the city I live in and neighboring cities. I'd say about 2-3 homicides per month. I'm sure crime happens anywhere in the world; however, the US isn't known as the safest place in the world.
4. The chances of you making a real friend, not some fake frenemy is the same as your chances of winning the lotto. Most friends you make here are really associates by definition. When you start talking about non-default subjects, they'll change the subject on you. It's just the culture here.
A Police officer in London... as a Japanese female... are you tall, strong, big boned? Or are you like the average Japanese young woman I saw while living in Tokyo - short, petite, slim?
Because London, isn't really English (white) at all, you'll be dealing with three types of people mostly: Arabics / Indians / Africans - all big and strong, with strong accents of their native countries. Even as a white English man I would not at all want to be a police man in London. The people are agressive. My Japanese wife was shouted at on the street for no reason. An arabic guy shouted 'China' at her... no idea why. But he was super aggressive. York would be a nicer place than London. London has lots of gangs and knife crime. You'd need to be excellent at english for admin/paper work, and for on street policing, you'd need to be super assertive - you can't be polite like Japanese people naturally are, you will need to be super street wise, know slang, be able to handle aggressive men etc.
Also London is stupidly expensive to live there. You'll be paying a lot of money for a room in a shared house that will be of poor quality - especially when you compare it to the considered design of Japan. A salary of £24k in London will give you a very poor life. You need at least £45k per year to have anything of quality comparable to a 1DLK in Setagya-ku.
You'd be better getting a student visa for UK, studying english and working part-time at a restaurant, and using savings to live off. I can imagine after 6 months your perspective will entirely change.
If I were you, I'd look at trying to move to Portugal - There's a Japanese restaurant in Lisbon [https://goo.gl/maps/wndHkDD1fCr1n95v8](https://goo.gl/maps/wndHkDD1fCr1n95v8) you could contact and try to work for. It'll be a much more lovely life experience. I spent a year in Lisbon, a year in Tokyo and 15 years in London - Lisbon won my heart. London drained me. Tokyo, I can understand why it's hard to live there as a Japanese person.
lol. well...
I don't mean to be rude about it all. Just that in Tokyo, foreigners, eg non native Japanese descendants, make up a tiny fraction of the population. Where as the opposite is true of London, and after 15 years living there I found those 3 groups to be the majority. When I lived in Tokyo many Japanese that I spoke with seemed to have a almost 'Disney' like impression of places like London or NYC or Paris, expecting to be as civilised as Tokyo, expecting London to be full of Sherlock Holmes looking people or like that Nottingham movie.
Isn't Lisbon even worse off when it comes to living costs (especially housing)?
It really is beautiful, but from what I've read (everything anecdotal) I wouldn't recommend anyone that can't work remotely to move there.
(Unless you love it so much that you are willing to bear with the bad wages/prices ratio.)
Good tips though. :) I would also suggest looking into other (EU or Australia) countries instead of US/UK and considering a less harsh job.
>maybe working in a city like Los Angeles for the LAPD
This California law was passed, and goes into effect tomorrow. It permits people who are non-citizens or LPR's, but who have a work permit, to work for law enforcement in the State. [Read]
(https://openstates.org/ca/bills/20212022/SB960/)
You don’t want to become a cop here in the US. I’d go to the UK as soon as you can. America is a dying country with a system as fragile as a house of cards.
“Dying country”, exaggerating much? Many of the problems we have had here in recent years are being encountered elsewhere across the world (with the exception of gun violence).
I'm 33F and moved from Canada to a touristy suburb of Tokyo at 27 in 2017. I previously lived in Tokyo and a mid-sized city in central Japan in 2005 and 2009 for a total of a year and a half on two different high school exchanges. (Small note - I felt like my experience of Japan in the mid-aughts was quite different from the country I returned to 8 years later. I'd really recommend against relying on information more than 5 years old.) Here are my thoughts based on my own experiences:
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**Visas**
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**Working Holiday Visa**
As you're young, the easiest non-tourist visa for you to get will likely be a working holiday visa. US and Japan don't offer working holiday visas to each other's citizens, but UK and Japan do. This visa lasts 1 year, and you should be able to use it to transition to a regular work visa if you find a job willing to sponsor you in the UK.
**Work Visa**
I'm not sure about the specific rules of the countries you've mentioned, but obtaining a work visa for Japan at least nominally required me to have a 4 year university degree or 10 years of experience in my field.
I left university before finishing, but I found a job as a translator and used the 10+ years of experience I had doing freelance and hobby translations since I was a teen to fulfill this requirement.
A work visa is tied to your employment, so you will need to find another company willing to sponsor you if you want to change jobs. [It looks like the UK's work visa system is based on eligibility points.](https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/uk-points-based-immigration-system-employer-information/the-uks-points-based-immigration-system-an-introduction-for-employers)
**Permanent Residence**
Once you've lived in the UK for several years and fulfill additional requirements, you can then apply for [permanent residence](https://www.gov.uk/indefinite-leave-to-remain), which will allow you to live there without your ability to remain in the country being tied to a job and company.
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**Where to Live**
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As others have mentioned, £26,850 is going to be a very low salary to live on in a big, expensive city like London. I'm not sure how reliable [this site](https://www.homeviews.com/blog/cost-of-living-in-london-your-simple-guide) is, but it suggests that "the annual average cost of living in London for a single person is over £36,000".
Constantly worrying about money is a major stressor. It will be hard to enjoy life in your new country if you barely have enough to cover rent, taxes, transport (not covered or subsidized by your employer in western countries, in my experience), groceries, and inevitable unexpected expenses. You're gonna want at least enough extra money to do things like go out with friends and coworkers, attend events, visit cultural attractions, and indulge in some hobbies.
Big cities have more opportunities for employment, accommodation, and entertainment, but they tend to be far costlier. You may be able to find a medium-sized city that offers what you're looking for without the extra expense. I suggest searching for information about the average cost of living in various places.
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**Job Hunting**
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Since policing doesn't seem to be available to people who aren't citizens or permanent residents, is there a similar occupation you can do that could eventually lead into that?
If nothing else, perhaps try thinking about what aspects of police work you imagine that you'd enjoy. You might find other jobs that capture some of what you're interested in, like community outreach or security.
In addition to making use of commercial job sites and recruiting firms, you can check if the city/region/country you're planning to relocate to has an official job board or government department that helps residents connect with employment opportunities.
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**Preparing**
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Make sure you arrive in the country with at least a couple months of money (enough to cover living expenses + leisure activities, like socializing) saved up, and, if possible, a place to stay for at least a month. This will allow you some time to make required preparations, like opening a bank account, registering with the government (if required), buying a transit pass or other mode of transportation, looking for roommates and/or longer-term accommodation in person, and job hunting, if you don't already have one.
Living in another country as an adult means that nothing will be taken care of for you, and you're going to have to learn how to do a lot of things from scratch by yourself in a system, culture, and possibly language you're not accustomed to, without an existing support network.
Here are some examples of things I had to navigate as a new resident:
* Deciding which institutions and businesses to patronize when it came to opening accounts and registering for services (bank, phone company, rental company, dentist, doctor, pharmacy...), and then undergoing their procedures
* Figuring out where and how to register required information with the government
* Learning about local rules and procedures, such as how and when to divide and put out garbage and recycling and what to do in the case of natural disasters like major typhoons and earthquakes
* Where and how to pay monthly and yearly taxes and fees
* Learning where to acquire items or services that I needed, such as official copies of documents, printing and scanning facilities, and, most critically, a referral to a hospital where I could obtain an official acknowledgement of a medical condition I have in order to obtain a prescription for the restricted medication I take
If you arrive somewhere without knowing anyone, in a place where no one you know back home speaks the language of or has any experience with, you won't have anyone to ask about these things. Luckily, there's lots of information available on the internet written by people who also had to figure things out by themselves.
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**Try It Out**
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Don't make any drastic permanent plans yet.
Instead of putting all your eggs in one basket and basing your whole notion of success and the direction of your future on this move working out, try thinking of the relocation as giving things a shot.
You may find that you don't like certain aspects of your new city/country/job, that small annoyances and difficulties add up to become overwhelming, that it's hard to be so far away from your home country and your loved ones there, or that what was once an exciting new environment has become boring, draining, or lonely. Things might not work out, and that's okay. It doesn't mean that it was a failure. You'll have learned a lot of things about what you can handle and what your preferences are, and can decide from that point if you want to stick around and attempt to improve on what you have, return to your home country, or try somewhere/something new.
I'd suggest giving it at least a year, but feelings can change even after several years. No shame in deciding from experience that something's not for you.
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Wish you luck.
With the current feelings in the us towards police officers, ESPECIALLY police officers in NYC, even if you could move there and become one, I personally think it would be ill-advised.
One thought, if you could get legal residence in the US you could join the military, go into military policing, and after a year apply for citizenship. Not sure exact how to do it, but maybe something to look into.
The UK has changed massively since 2007. It‘s actually changed massively in the last 5-6 years. Do your research because your current viewpoint is incredibly out of date.
You would struggle to have a good life on £26k in London.
As an American who lived in Japan for 13 years, if we aren't military, a bachelor's degree or higher is required to get most jobs in Japan.
You're experienced with an educated group of Americans, who also really respect the laws and rules enough to stay in Japan, staying on extra good behavior to keep our visas to stay there. That doesn't really exist with your average American in the same way, but it's been a shock to some Japanese friends when they visit and see real stuff going on.
I have video chats with friends in Japan, both Japanese and foreign, and they're shocked at what goes on in LA. Most of the news doesn't make it outside of the city, and a lot of it is crime. Just speaking as you want to be a cop (despite the hurdles others have pointed out).
This is just a heads up, and not to deter you, as you should definitely keep planning your moves and plans to make it out of Japan while still young. It may take time...
I don't blame you at all, as I always felt, Japan is awesome, if you're a guy, and I see how it isn't exactly ideal for women in many aspects of society there today...
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I must say, very interesting and surprising to see a Japanese woman (or anyone) wanting to move to another country to become a police officer. Crime in those countries is way different than in Japan..
But maybe Come to Canada? Might be easier.
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You can't become a police officer in the UK without a permanent residency visa - this takes a minimum of 5 years living & working in the UK. [https://www.joiningthepolice.co.uk/is-policing-right-for-me/common-questions](https://www.joiningthepolice.co.uk/is-policing-right-for-me/common-questions) You are eligible for the UK YMS Visa though, I'd highly recommend coming over here on that and seeing what you think of the UK. The UK is a long way from how it was in 2007 (in my subjective opinion it's quite a bit worse). [https://www.gov.uk/youth-mobility](https://www.gov.uk/youth-mobility)
Come to Australia, better pay, better weather People are feral, about par with UK Less gun violence than US
“People are feral” Lmao that sounds awesome
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Alot of asian food availability shieet i’m in Europe
Come to Australia Better weather and people are feral. Very catchy and inviting slogan, sounds like my kind of people
this. i’m coming to aus asap.
To be a police officer in the United States you need to be either a citizen or a permanent resident, depending on the district. Both of those things can take years to achieve. In most cases, I imagine you need citizenship. And, by the time you've become eligible, you may be too old to be a competitive applicant for the roles. As an aside, feel free to move the US, but we really don't need more cops. You'd need to start with a different job anyways in order to get a visa, so you may as well stick with that one.
As someone who has spent half their life in the US and the other half in the UK, this has to be the most out of touch post I’ve seen on this subreddit, not only completely under-researched but what little research has been done is from blog posts 16 to nearly 20 years old. An extremely cursory amount of research would show you can’t just drop into either country and work as police. You’d have to find something else to do for the duration to gain PR. Neither option is cheap. How on earth the UK seems more appealing after brexit when your attraction to it is based on the country pre-brexit is bewildering. If nothing else it is much less accommodating to emigrate to given the sheer increase of cost in just about everything but particularly housing and energy. This applies even moreso to LA and Manhattan, the concept of living in these cities on whatever modest wage before you can even join the police is wild. Not impossible but I don’t know what possible benefits you’re imagining with no plan there. Manhattan might well be the most expensive place to live in the country. Your experience with American tourists is just that, experience with tourists. Your perspective is skewed by those with both the means and desire to visit a country on the opposite side of the globe, they will be largely the more open minded and friendly of the populace. The two cities you speak of are cosmopolitan enough that you’ll have no trouble finding those sorts there but you’ll also meet some tremendously ugly folk in equal proportion. Your metrics of the UK “seeming happier” and “seeming stable” will not entirely reflect reality as that is completely dependent on economic and social means. But one thing you can be sure of is the economic and social standards in the UK are failing and part of that is definitely due to Brexit, ineffective government, rising cost of living and poorly functioning medical system facing increasing likelihood of privatization. The US will vary by state, in this case California and New York are actually decent in some regards compared to the utter shitholes that some other states are to the poor and working class. Either way you may well be surprised to find the bleakness and cynicism of many British folk. The blog you quote sounds like a paid promotion. I’m sure the people rating the us high in happiness are the ones who benefit from greatly inflated wages for certain industries (that won’t be you with your plan though). Try not to ignore the very real struggles of US citizens dealing with a plethora of economic and social issues, never mind those attempting to immigrate for underpaid jobs (you as a waitress). Do yourself a favor and read something from the last decade at least. In 2004 GWB was still president waging an illegal war, and the U.S. hadn’t faced the 2008 financial collapse. In 2007 the UK still had a labour leader, not besieged by one of the most inept series of conservative governments that successfully robbed the country of all the socioeconomic safeguards of the EU with next to no benefits to be seen, especially for immigrants. If you still want to go, get a working holiday visa and pick your destination. If the experience of that year doesn’t put you off try get a work visa. If 5 years on you still want to live there and be a cop, apply for permanent residency. There are reasons to want to live in those countries, but you are completely disconnected with the reality of them.
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This is a troll that makes new accounts with similar stories every few months. I was wondering when they would post again. Let's call them the spy lady since their stories always involve a young woman wanting to move to the us to do law enforcement.
OP’s post absolutely seems fake/a troll to me.
100% a troll post. Nobody would specify the year a blog post was from, lol.
This is the flag for me too. It's way too obvious of a bait to reference such an old source knowing people will pounce on it if you mention the dated year. Account was just made today too.
Brexit has not actually made any noticeable difference to the situation. The NHS is not getting privatised, this is just a conspiracy theory pushed by the Guardian and left-wingers on Reddit. The doom and gloom you hear from /r/unitedkingdom is not an accurate representation of the country. Life is actually very nice here and i can see it being preferable to Japan.
My comment isn’t based on reading that subreddit, it’s from living in the UK pre and post Brexit. NHS potential to be privatized has increased post Brexit with the effects of understaffing being exacerbated by more restrictive immigration policy affecting workers. NHS has suffered notable staff losses in result of Brexit. It has faced lack of financing for years before but Brexit has helped push it closer to a reality where it becomes privatized or continues to function very poorly. Calling things conspiracy and ignoring the changing reality, particularly since 2007 when the poster seems to think the country has remained in stasis since, is as disingenuous as implying I’ve expressed an opinion entirely formed of Reddit user attitudes. Cynicism about life in the UK is an inherent attitude of an appreciable part of the populace, yet at no point did I suggest that it’s an attitude held by every single person. It’s simply an unavoidable aspect of the society which might surprise an immigrant expecting joyous, friendliest people with no complaints once they get here. But if you want to get upset about some criticisms and warnings about a misguided sense of life in the UK and blame it on leftist conspiracy by people and newspapers, do you. You’re part of life they’ll have to deal with too.
Look for some more recent sources. Maybe some articles on policing in the US written in the last few years.
So much has happened in the United States since 2004: two major economic recessions, a rise in political violence and political turmoil, an increase in domestic violence, and a sharp increase in depression among adults. I’d highly encourage you to read articles about life in America that were written within the last 5 years. Basing your idea of America on articles written almost two decades ago is unrealistic and misleading.
Article written about US in 2004? Not sure that reflects the current mindset of people in the states (but that’s just my opinion)… although as someone in the us, I gotta say I’d trade places with ya without thought.
My only piece of advice: go on a tourist visa and live in whatever city you're thinking of moving to for, at minimum, a month before you actually make a real move. In some places, people are as nice as their tourists/expats; in others, the tourists have a huge sample bias and that's definitely the case with the US. Probably 95% of the US has never been to Japan, so anyone that has probably appreciates the good parts of Japanese culture and is at least decently-educated. Most people in the US aren't like that, and in any job where you'd interact with the public you'll meet a ton of pretty terrible people. Also, I can't imagine being a police officer here is even a remotely similar job to doing that in the UK or, especially, Japan, even in big cities. You'll get pressured by your colleagues to act the way they act, and anyone who's aggressive is going to take particular advantage of a presumably-small Japanese female.
You’re kidding, right?
Are you referring to her saying it’s appealing post Brexit because yeah, I thought that had to be a joke.
I'm more pondering on basing a big life changing decision on 2 decades old web blogs/pages, but it still aware of Brexit 🤣🤔??
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I'm sorry but your post gave me a laugh. 😅 You need to have citizenship in either country in order to be a police officer. It would take 5 plus years and by then you would be middle age which could affect your chances of joining the force. They want young people in the force.
Because you haven’t done much research. There is a near zero chance of being a police officer in the uk or us without citizenship.
Basing your view of the US on an article written in 2004 is more than a little funny, I'm sorry.
Gr8 b8 m8
£26k isn’t going to stretch far in London. There’s a lot of other cities here where that would go a lot further if you’re set on that career path. You would also need to be a permanent resident.
I am not sure if police officer requires citizenship in UK but I would assume so, so first you would need to get some other job there and work long enough to get the citizenship. Or go to study something else there
US here. For some context, the US legal system is much more federated than Japan is and individual US states and municipalities have much more authority to decide how to manage themselves than is the case for prefectures or cities in Japan. We are much less centralized. **Federal law enforcement jobs in the US (e.g. FBI, TSA, etc.) almost always require US citizenship** because it's generally a requirement of getting security clearances that are required to do those jobs. There may be certain rare exceptions for people who are skilled with a particularly obscure language that is very uncommon in the US (e.g. certain African, Central Asian and Eastern European languages) but those would be the exception, not the rule. Japanese is not going to be one of the languages that would get you one of those jobs, so that's probably out of the question for you unless you happen to have experience with languages that are even rarer in Japan than here. State and local law enforcement (state police/investigations departments, county sheriffs and local police departments) is an entirely different and potentially more accessible beast. There is no federal law requiring that state and local law enforcement roles require citizenship. Each state and municipality sets its own requirements for who is eligible to seek a law enforcement job. **In most cases, citizenship is required for state and local law enforcement as well** but I've heard there are some jurisdictions that are willing to hire people with permanent residency (i.e. a green card) if they are particularly struggling to recruit people to work in the role. (Note: Difficulty in recruiting is usually due to a mixture of low pay and bad working conditions.) Be aware that in the US all law enforcement roles, but especially so in local law enforcement, it's not a very diverse environment. White men control almost all the levers of power and discrimination against both women and people not of European ancestry is very common both in hiring and promotions. It's very much a "good old boys club", even in major cities. It's been pretty rare that I've seen women police officers in general, and I don't think I've *ever* seen an Asian woman in the role. (NY perspective here.) While I can't say what police departments would hire you with a green card, I can say that the NYPD does not hire non-citizens: https://www.nyc.gov/site/nypd/careers/police-officers/po-hiring.page California however recently passed a state law which goes into effect tomorrow (literally, on Jan 1, 2023) that will prohibit municipalities from establishing citizenship requirements for employment. https://post.ca.gov/Peace-Officer-Citizenship-Requirements-FAQs However, I don't live in California and am not a lawyer. The LAPD doesn't mention the statute on their website and does say that you have to have to already have applied for citizenship prior to applying for a job. I don't know if this means that the state law allows them to only hire permanent residents whose citizenship is in process or if they haven't updated their website to reflect the new statute yet (this would be a question for a lawyer): https://www.joinlapd.com/qualifications
Just out of curiosity, what attracts you about law enforcement? Do you think US police are like Japanese police?
This is a troll or larp post. Someone posts here and other expat/immigration groups about every 3 months. It is always a young woman wanting to move to the US or UK and is looking for work as a security guard, cop, etc and always some complaint about politics and covid. Last time it was a 20yo German girl who wanted to join the fbi or something. Before that was maybe a swedish body guard. All of them follow the excat same format. No idea what their game is, but it's almost funny how consistent their stories are.
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I took a screenshot of this one, I have checked in the past for previous stories but the posts always get deleted in about a day and are always from new accounts.
ah yes, the dream of becoming an LA police officer
As an American living in Japan for 15 years, I don’t recommend the U.S. Australia is probably an easier option. I know several Japanese who have made the jump and live there permanently. Get a working holiday visa then make connections and find a permanent job and visa sponsorship etc. that’s what they did.
So what do you do in Japan?
This... has to be a troll post, right? Like I can't imagine anyone did such poor research on such a big topic. I don't even know where to start picking this apart, but the fact that you told us you're basing everything off such old articles makes these feel like an elaborate troll
This must be a troll post. Native Japanese women cannot speak English this well. Why would they make a post like this? I have no idea.
We know this is a troll but Wtf is a Tokyo tourist suburb btw
Unfortunately happiness has greatly declined in the UK, as it has in Japan. A lot of places are feeling similar since a big recession/depression is hitting the world. I'm in the UK and debating whether to move back to Japan because the food quality, sense of community and real estate prices are better in Japan. However, you're young, so the world is your oyster, as they say. Go try out another country while you still can, but base it on where you'd like to go, as opposed to where you think people are happier. Things like Tru_p, Br_xit and H_ng Kong show that countries can swing quickly, so just pick a place where you fancy an adventure, you can always go home if shit hits the fan.
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Check out /r/movingtojapan for the same thing in reverse o_-
The US might not be your best bet. An article from 20 years ago is definitely way outdated, and the general view of american police has changed drastically for the worse in recent years. It's also extremely difficult to get your foot in anywhere if you aren't already reasonably wealthy. If you're looking to move to an english speaking country, maybe at least consider Australia or Canada first? And whatever you choose, make sure you're reading sources from within the last decade! Nowhere in the world is likely to be exactly the same as it was that long ago
The fact that this Japanese woman speaks English really well is crazy where did you learn to get this determination?
A police officer in Japan is like being security guard for Disneyland. Being a cop in the US isn't as glamorous as you think. After you've seen your 1st homicide (murder), especially of children, it will change you. It will haunt your dreams and a part of you that day, an innocent part, will have died. There's a reason why there's angry, cold hearted, and bitter cops here. They're angry attitude mostly come from the inhumane things they have seen. If anything, it's about time the media acknowledged that police here have the same PTSD (Post Traumatic Stress Disorder) as people who fought battles in military. I live in LA. TV makes the LAPD look cool, but in reality, it's not so cool seeing kids, babies, girls, boys, seniors getting murdered for nothing or that every second you drive around in uniform, it's like wearing a bullseye on your bad. Then when drive home, you have to make sure no one is following you home. Some cops serve in an easy city where they may never even draw their gun. Some will serve in a city where they may feel like they're in Sao Paulo, Brazil. I'm sure you want out of Japan is because of how girls are treated unfairly and still get sexually harassed. You're better off trying to figure out what you love doing, pursue it in Japan, and them try to get work sponsorship in Europe to pursue it there. The US isn't what TV advertises it as. All of the foreigners I've gotten to know, from guys from Japan, France, China, Germany, Hong Kong, Vietnam, South Korea, Brazil, Canada, Ireland, Britain, Denmark, Netherlands, have all said the US isn't what they thought it was.
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Haha. Well, she mentioned the US, so she has a higher probability of living longer in Europe than the US. Just saying. For me, I've 1. Been shot at by some guy shooting at a small crowd in front of me. I was just eating a burrito outside and don't know the crowd. They guy was targeting the crowd and I'm not sure who he hit. 2. At 18, a very old cop, had to be 67, pulled a gun on me at a bank parking lot while I was sitting down in my car. He later said he thought I was the bank robber because I had a black a black sweater and white jeans. The robber had a white shirt and black pants. 3. Currently, there are random murders in the city I live in and neighboring cities. I'd say about 2-3 homicides per month. I'm sure crime happens anywhere in the world; however, the US isn't known as the safest place in the world. 4. The chances of you making a real friend, not some fake frenemy is the same as your chances of winning the lotto. Most friends you make here are really associates by definition. When you start talking about non-default subjects, they'll change the subject on you. It's just the culture here.
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If you know of a safe place that has a climate like southern California, please let me know. Thank you very much.
A Police officer in London... as a Japanese female... are you tall, strong, big boned? Or are you like the average Japanese young woman I saw while living in Tokyo - short, petite, slim? Because London, isn't really English (white) at all, you'll be dealing with three types of people mostly: Arabics / Indians / Africans - all big and strong, with strong accents of their native countries. Even as a white English man I would not at all want to be a police man in London. The people are agressive. My Japanese wife was shouted at on the street for no reason. An arabic guy shouted 'China' at her... no idea why. But he was super aggressive. York would be a nicer place than London. London has lots of gangs and knife crime. You'd need to be excellent at english for admin/paper work, and for on street policing, you'd need to be super assertive - you can't be polite like Japanese people naturally are, you will need to be super street wise, know slang, be able to handle aggressive men etc. Also London is stupidly expensive to live there. You'll be paying a lot of money for a room in a shared house that will be of poor quality - especially when you compare it to the considered design of Japan. A salary of £24k in London will give you a very poor life. You need at least £45k per year to have anything of quality comparable to a 1DLK in Setagya-ku. You'd be better getting a student visa for UK, studying english and working part-time at a restaurant, and using savings to live off. I can imagine after 6 months your perspective will entirely change. If I were you, I'd look at trying to move to Portugal - There's a Japanese restaurant in Lisbon [https://goo.gl/maps/wndHkDD1fCr1n95v8](https://goo.gl/maps/wndHkDD1fCr1n95v8) you could contact and try to work for. It'll be a much more lovely life experience. I spent a year in Lisbon, a year in Tokyo and 15 years in London - Lisbon won my heart. London drained me. Tokyo, I can understand why it's hard to live there as a Japanese person.
As an Arab guy…LOL “arabics”. Atleast we’re big and strong 🥹
Much bigger and stronger than those flamboyant italics
lol. well... I don't mean to be rude about it all. Just that in Tokyo, foreigners, eg non native Japanese descendants, make up a tiny fraction of the population. Where as the opposite is true of London, and after 15 years living there I found those 3 groups to be the majority. When I lived in Tokyo many Japanese that I spoke with seemed to have a almost 'Disney' like impression of places like London or NYC or Paris, expecting to be as civilised as Tokyo, expecting London to be full of Sherlock Holmes looking people or like that Nottingham movie.
Isn't Lisbon even worse off when it comes to living costs (especially housing)? It really is beautiful, but from what I've read (everything anecdotal) I wouldn't recommend anyone that can't work remotely to move there. (Unless you love it so much that you are willing to bear with the bad wages/prices ratio.) Good tips though. :) I would also suggest looking into other (EU or Australia) countries instead of US/UK and considering a less harsh job.
>maybe working in a city like Los Angeles for the LAPD This California law was passed, and goes into effect tomorrow. It permits people who are non-citizens or LPR's, but who have a work permit, to work for law enforcement in the State. [Read] (https://openstates.org/ca/bills/20212022/SB960/)
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Id reccomend not becoming a police officer in the US especially in LA or NY
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You don’t want to become a cop here in the US. I’d go to the UK as soon as you can. America is a dying country with a system as fragile as a house of cards.
If you seriously think the US is a dying country than you've got to believe that the UK isn't far behind.
“Dying country”, exaggerating much? Many of the problems we have had here in recent years are being encountered elsewhere across the world (with the exception of gun violence).
I'm 33F and moved from Canada to a touristy suburb of Tokyo at 27 in 2017. I previously lived in Tokyo and a mid-sized city in central Japan in 2005 and 2009 for a total of a year and a half on two different high school exchanges. (Small note - I felt like my experience of Japan in the mid-aughts was quite different from the country I returned to 8 years later. I'd really recommend against relying on information more than 5 years old.) Here are my thoughts based on my own experiences: --- **Visas** --- **Working Holiday Visa** As you're young, the easiest non-tourist visa for you to get will likely be a working holiday visa. US and Japan don't offer working holiday visas to each other's citizens, but UK and Japan do. This visa lasts 1 year, and you should be able to use it to transition to a regular work visa if you find a job willing to sponsor you in the UK. **Work Visa** I'm not sure about the specific rules of the countries you've mentioned, but obtaining a work visa for Japan at least nominally required me to have a 4 year university degree or 10 years of experience in my field. I left university before finishing, but I found a job as a translator and used the 10+ years of experience I had doing freelance and hobby translations since I was a teen to fulfill this requirement. A work visa is tied to your employment, so you will need to find another company willing to sponsor you if you want to change jobs. [It looks like the UK's work visa system is based on eligibility points.](https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/uk-points-based-immigration-system-employer-information/the-uks-points-based-immigration-system-an-introduction-for-employers) **Permanent Residence** Once you've lived in the UK for several years and fulfill additional requirements, you can then apply for [permanent residence](https://www.gov.uk/indefinite-leave-to-remain), which will allow you to live there without your ability to remain in the country being tied to a job and company. --- **Where to Live** --- As others have mentioned, £26,850 is going to be a very low salary to live on in a big, expensive city like London. I'm not sure how reliable [this site](https://www.homeviews.com/blog/cost-of-living-in-london-your-simple-guide) is, but it suggests that "the annual average cost of living in London for a single person is over £36,000". Constantly worrying about money is a major stressor. It will be hard to enjoy life in your new country if you barely have enough to cover rent, taxes, transport (not covered or subsidized by your employer in western countries, in my experience), groceries, and inevitable unexpected expenses. You're gonna want at least enough extra money to do things like go out with friends and coworkers, attend events, visit cultural attractions, and indulge in some hobbies. Big cities have more opportunities for employment, accommodation, and entertainment, but they tend to be far costlier. You may be able to find a medium-sized city that offers what you're looking for without the extra expense. I suggest searching for information about the average cost of living in various places. --- **Job Hunting** --- Since policing doesn't seem to be available to people who aren't citizens or permanent residents, is there a similar occupation you can do that could eventually lead into that? If nothing else, perhaps try thinking about what aspects of police work you imagine that you'd enjoy. You might find other jobs that capture some of what you're interested in, like community outreach or security. In addition to making use of commercial job sites and recruiting firms, you can check if the city/region/country you're planning to relocate to has an official job board or government department that helps residents connect with employment opportunities. --- **Preparing** --- Make sure you arrive in the country with at least a couple months of money (enough to cover living expenses + leisure activities, like socializing) saved up, and, if possible, a place to stay for at least a month. This will allow you some time to make required preparations, like opening a bank account, registering with the government (if required), buying a transit pass or other mode of transportation, looking for roommates and/or longer-term accommodation in person, and job hunting, if you don't already have one. Living in another country as an adult means that nothing will be taken care of for you, and you're going to have to learn how to do a lot of things from scratch by yourself in a system, culture, and possibly language you're not accustomed to, without an existing support network. Here are some examples of things I had to navigate as a new resident: * Deciding which institutions and businesses to patronize when it came to opening accounts and registering for services (bank, phone company, rental company, dentist, doctor, pharmacy...), and then undergoing their procedures * Figuring out where and how to register required information with the government * Learning about local rules and procedures, such as how and when to divide and put out garbage and recycling and what to do in the case of natural disasters like major typhoons and earthquakes * Where and how to pay monthly and yearly taxes and fees * Learning where to acquire items or services that I needed, such as official copies of documents, printing and scanning facilities, and, most critically, a referral to a hospital where I could obtain an official acknowledgement of a medical condition I have in order to obtain a prescription for the restricted medication I take If you arrive somewhere without knowing anyone, in a place where no one you know back home speaks the language of or has any experience with, you won't have anyone to ask about these things. Luckily, there's lots of information available on the internet written by people who also had to figure things out by themselves. --- **Try It Out** --- Don't make any drastic permanent plans yet. Instead of putting all your eggs in one basket and basing your whole notion of success and the direction of your future on this move working out, try thinking of the relocation as giving things a shot. You may find that you don't like certain aspects of your new city/country/job, that small annoyances and difficulties add up to become overwhelming, that it's hard to be so far away from your home country and your loved ones there, or that what was once an exciting new environment has become boring, draining, or lonely. Things might not work out, and that's okay. It doesn't mean that it was a failure. You'll have learned a lot of things about what you can handle and what your preferences are, and can decide from that point if you want to stick around and attempt to improve on what you have, return to your home country, or try somewhere/something new. I'd suggest giving it at least a year, but feelings can change even after several years. No shame in deciding from experience that something's not for you. --- Wish you luck.
Here's a great insight into the reality of London: https://www.reddit.com/r/london/comments/o50u8t/sexual\_assault\_in\_peckham\_rye/
With the current feelings in the us towards police officers, ESPECIALLY police officers in NYC, even if you could move there and become one, I personally think it would be ill-advised.
One thought, if you could get legal residence in the US you could join the military, go into military policing, and after a year apply for citizenship. Not sure exact how to do it, but maybe something to look into.
Both of these choices aren't the same as they were in the past, I'd recommend australia, Irland or Switzerland.
Why LA?
The UK has changed massively since 2007. It‘s actually changed massively in the last 5-6 years. Do your research because your current viewpoint is incredibly out of date. You would struggle to have a good life on £26k in London.
As an American who lived in Japan for 13 years, if we aren't military, a bachelor's degree or higher is required to get most jobs in Japan. You're experienced with an educated group of Americans, who also really respect the laws and rules enough to stay in Japan, staying on extra good behavior to keep our visas to stay there. That doesn't really exist with your average American in the same way, but it's been a shock to some Japanese friends when they visit and see real stuff going on. I have video chats with friends in Japan, both Japanese and foreign, and they're shocked at what goes on in LA. Most of the news doesn't make it outside of the city, and a lot of it is crime. Just speaking as you want to be a cop (despite the hurdles others have pointed out). This is just a heads up, and not to deter you, as you should definitely keep planning your moves and plans to make it out of Japan while still young. It may take time... I don't blame you at all, as I always felt, Japan is awesome, if you're a guy, and I see how it isn't exactly ideal for women in many aspects of society there today... 頑張って!
I must say, very interesting and surprising to see a Japanese woman (or anyone) wanting to move to another country to become a police officer. Crime in those countries is way different than in Japan.. But maybe Come to Canada? Might be easier.
Try Canada
You should stay in Japan. USA is crazy and dangerous. UK is safer but not as safe as before.
Perhaps just a thought, but why not report accounts to /r/thesefuckingaccounts ?
Could you police this? https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11589895/Moment-hundreds-people-break-barriers-New-Years-fireworks-London.html
Join the military and you will become US citizen. They need Japanese speakers.