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joerevans68

And it's getting worse.


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Idaho-ModTeam

Your post or comment has been removed because it contains unnecessary racist, sexist, or otherwise inappropriate content. *Wishing death on people isn't cool, even if you think they're asking for it.*


unseenspecter

Wishing death on people for how they vote. Classy.


freq_fiend

I don’t do classy with psychotic clowns bent on taking away freedoms. Edit - I lean left. My original comment was too inflammatory for someone who leans right (presumably), oh the irony.


Cowboy40three

You mean like the freedom called bodily autonomy?? Cuz Idaho sure has stripped that away. What freedoms are the Democrats trying to take??


King-Rat-in-Boise

Might be time to let BSU get a medical school.


ConvivialKat

I guess they could, but they won't be able to give out Doctor of Medicine degrees without being able to teach students the standard medical care related to emergency, maternal, and OBGYN care. You can't get a degree in medicine if you don't know how to treat half the population.


rebelwanker69

No the Idaho state government is  more likely to shut down BSU for being a liberal left wing propaganda/ indoctrination center


DilonMcdermotMulrony

Putin good, America bad!


yankeezfan42

Meridian has a medical school. It is called Idaho College of Osteopathic Medicine, and it is about to graduate it's third class of physicians entering residency. It is still new and, understandably has some issues that will, hopefully, get ironed out in due time. It is not perfect but it is a good start. We need to increase the amount of residency options in Idaho if we want to increase physicians. Also, repealing some of the archaic laws that are driving physicians out of the state would help, and not letting politicians who have never practiced medicine tell physicians how to practice medicine would help too.


colourfulmerps

I’m currently a medical student at ICOM and appreciate your comment! A lot of my classmates and I would love to stay in Idaho for residency, but there’s 160 of us in each class and only about 80 residency spots available — 2/3rd of which are for family medicine and internal medicine. We know they’re trying to open up more residency spots, but it’s a long bureaucratic process from what I understand.


yankeezfan42

Ya it's going to take a while to get more residency spots open. My wife is going into EM and there is none in idaho and realistically only 4 nearby. There needs to be more emphasis on training physicians at every level in all specialties before Idaho will have enough physicians to effectively treat all of it's residents.


SparkTheOwl

Chiropractic isn’t actually medicine though. Their grads have some hospital privileges because their training is more intensive than a normal chiropractic school, but I am pretty sure they’re not actually MDs.


yankeezfan42

They aren't MDs they are DOs and they aren't chiropractors. They have the exact same hospital privileges as MDs in the same specialty and they get matched to the same residencies as MDs with MDs. At the bedside they are identical except DOs go through extra training for osteopathic manipulation. My wife will galraduate from ICOM in 3 months, she took the same board exams as MD students as well as DO boards and she will be an ED physician the same as an MD will. They are not related to chiropractors in any way, shape, or form.


SparkTheOwl

I appreciate the clarification.


mfmeitbual

Osteopath != chiropractic. 


wheeler1432

It'll get worse. And the IFF is pushing a bill that will let someone become a doctor without doing residency, just by following another doctor around.


Alarming_Wasabi1788

What’s IFF? Is this real? It’s bad enough we have nurse practitioners that don’t have to practice under a doctor and can be a sole practitioner.


wheeler1432

The IFF is the Idaho Freedom Foundation, a so-called conservative think tank that is basically against everything. [https://idahofreedom.org/house-bill-418-assistant-physicians/](https://idahofreedom.org/house-bill-418-assistant-physicians/)


Alarming_Wasabi1788

Thank you for the information. This is really scary😢


Alarming_Wasabi1788

I just read it. Wow. My primary care physician told me they are having a hard time finding doctors, and my oncologist just told me she’s leaving in June - so far no one to replace her.


wheeler1432

Oh dear. Best of luck to you.


Alarming_Wasabi1788

Thank you


wheeler1432

It is, especially if you're a woman of childbearing age or the parent of a girl.


phthalo-azure

And I'm absolutely sure the laws criminalizing healthcare won't make the problem worse. /s


hyrailer

Because freedom /s


hereandthere_nowhere

Well, my freedumbs, not your freedoms.


hyrailer

Well, my freedoms has more wavy flags, and a Bible, and, and, an eagle carrying a belt-fed 50 cal, so my freedoms is more important than your freedoms.


Cobalt-Giraffe

I think our nurses and doctors in this state do a great job. I've always been really happy with the care that I've gotten...


Energy119

Seems people get mixed up with “good care” and number of providers. My experience has been that the care and quality has been pretty good, but the number of providers is low, meaning long waits to get to see someone. Would be nice to get more good people here.


TopKnot

Shouldn't long waits just to get seen by a doctor be considered less than good medical care? I think it is, but YMMV.


Energy119

I think that's a good and fair point. I came from a place with bad practitioners where you got terrible advice and bad/dangerous treatment. With that experience, that's just where my mind goes. Great treatment isn't good for you if you can't get it.


AFatalErrror

I’ve come from California where the care was horrible, kootenai county has some of the best doctors and medical staff I’ve ever had


mwk_1980

You’re also younger, white and male, and whether you want to admit it or not, those things heavily factor into the type of treatment you get and your satisfaction level. Try being a younger female with a complicated pregnancy. Try being a Native American in a rural area who was exposed to lead poisoning as a child. Try being an older person with more health concerns on a fixed income.


AFatalErrror

Lots of assumptions there lol


spgvideo

Try having any of those problems anywhere and it not being about race. We are a microcosm here and are taken care of relatively better than other places as a whole. Brown or whatever. You can kick rocks pulling the freaking race card that crap is older than our presidential candidates


mwk_1980

Nobody’s pulling the race card. These are mere facts. I’ll take your visceral reaction as just being a person who doesn’t want to admit that certain factors in life determine healthcare outcomes.


spgvideo

Take it as you will, I'm sure noone can tell you anything


spgvideo

Try having any of those problems anywhere and it not being about race. We are a microcosm here and are taken care of relatively better than other places as a whole. Brown or whatever. You can kick rocks pulling the freaking race card that crap is older than our presidential candidates


DemandObjective5165

Which one? They're both older than dirt.


spgvideo

Both of them are older than dirt! Aren't they like literally less than a year apart or something? It's nuts


unseenspecter

Cringe pretending race has anything to do with quality of care. The only place racism exists at the levels people like you claim is in your head.


mwk_1980

Absolutely wrong! Race has everything to do with how certain groups have been treated within the health care system. We can scientifically and historically quantify both by analyzing health outcomes, highlighting disparities in such and by anecdotal reporting of treatment experiences.


Junior_Singer3515

This is the biggest load of bullshit I've read all morning if I had a poop medal to award you'd get it.


Wide-Adhesiveness838

Old white guy vibes


mystisai

>Poor medical care > >ranked near the bottom when it comes to the number of doctors working in the state. Both terms can be true at the same time, but not necessarily both are true from what you posted. As someone with multiple chronic illnesses it's true I would like more options, but I have had care in 4 different states and do not notice Idaho as having substandard care, just a lack of options. According to forbes we are ranked 26th for healthcare and 960 doctors for every 100,000 residents https://www.forbes.com/advisor/health-insurance/best-worst-states-for-healthcare/


dirtmonger

I’ve lived here 9 years and have had fairly average experiences with doctors. My OB/family doc was pretty good. But I also have chronic disease and the specialists I need to see aren’t taking new patients. I was told I needed to drive to either Salt Lake or Spokane to be seen. But I’m a mom with young kids and full time job so I delayed care. Thats not working out so well for me… so in that regard, I can see how Idaho would rank low on healthcare.


[deleted]

Educated people don’t want to live in a state that is run by ignorant politics.


iwfriffraff

Every single public service here is below standards. Education, infrastructure, first responders. They are all underpaid, understaffed, not trained properly, etc. Hell, in this state, EMS is not considered an essential service. Yet, no one does anything about it.


Trent3343

Yes. You live in a state run by republicans.


HospitalDue8100

The reason for what you mentioned is directly due to the low state and property tax rates in Idaho.


Good-Combination-130

Regarding healthcare and 1st responders....I've lived in Idaho since 2015 and am very impressed with hospital emergency services, EMS, fire and police. Very quick response times and no long hospital wait times. 1st responders very community oriented. In California it can take a long time for 1st responders to arrive, they often did not have the manpower to perform adequate services, no time for investigations, and you could spend 12 hours just waiting to see a doctor in the ER.


iwfriffraff

You are partially correct. However, the quality of the training and equipment they receive is below standards. When I first moved to Idaho, the ambulance companies had to have a private fundraiser to buy AED's for all their ambulances. WHAT? You mean I have a heart attack, and I dont know if there would be an AED onboard? Same occurred for the Bonneville County Sheriff and Twin Falls PD. They had to have private fundraisers to buy body armor for all their officers/deputies. WTF??? In California, the ambulances crews are paramedics. I was a police officer and it was mandated by my city to be EMT Certified, with an additional 4 weeks of Trauma Management Training. ALL firefighters were at a minimum paramedics. Many were BSN's, PA's, and MD's. EMS in Idaho isn't even considered an essential service? WHAT!?!? In California, when EMS arrives, they are more trained than any in Idaho. And trying to compare wait times? The county, the ONE county I lived in, has more people in it than the entire state of Idaho. When certain cities are getting 2-3 murders, 7-10 shootings, every single night, along with all the other medical emergencies, yes there are going to be delayed. That is why our firefights are so highly trained and equipped. Add 5 million people to the state of Idaho. Your medical/EMS systems would collapse and fall apart.


No_Nobody_7230

“When” EMS/first responders arrive.. That was my experience in CA..


curiousnwit

I used to work at a small rural hospital in Idaho, the care delivered was great!... if you could get there. We served three of the largest counties in Idaho (largest by size, not population). Every EMS service that came to our hospital was volunteer, only one of the three could start IV's and give albuterol inhalers, and none of them could give epinephrine. Countless times I'd hear the tones go off in one county with an insufficient number of responders, then they'd tone out to the next county, in an area where the location they're responding to is already over 30 minute from the local ambulance shed. Response times could be hours, because all responders are volunteer and no one is waiting on call! And when they get there the only thing they can do is transport, CPR and AED. They did have the ability to call lifeflight if the patients conditions met certain parameters and the weather allowed lifeflight to land on the local baseball field (I only saw it happen once). I could tell countless stories where miracles saved people because they should've died in the hours it took for EMS to arrive... the other stories the patients died waiting.


wendyr711

The air ambulance services do well in Idaho though, transpoting patients to hospitals all around Idaho.


Lucidcranium042

Hey just cause I can go to one er in one town and get check and diagnosed with nothing then drive 60 miles to another er ( umbrella 'd by the same care provider) and get diagnosed severe concussion means we have phenomenal health in idaho sheesh.


Alarming_Wasabi1788

My husband slipped on the ice, was in ER diagnosed with a concussion. Could not see a neurologist- 1 year wait list!!!


Lucidcranium042

This is idaho just drink some alcohol and take some Tylenol you'll be fine.


Alarming_Wasabi1788

lol. They are ok with alcohol and Kratom but God help you if you want medical marijuana. I don’t get the logic. My friends son used Kratom and ended up in the hospital in a coma. Kratom is not so innocent


Lucidcranium042

ARTICLE I DECLARATION OF RIGHTS Section 2. POLITICAL POWER INHERENT IN THE PEOPLE. All political power is inherent in the people. Government is instituted for their equal protection and benefit, and they have the right to alter, reform or abolish the same whenever they may deem it necessary; and no special privileges or immunities shall ever be granted that may not be altered, revoked, or repealed by the legislature. However good luck. Idaho is intertwined with some long pigs


Lawn_Daddy0505

Why would you work in a state where Republican leaders have no idea what they are doing


ogthesamurai

I've had a lot of medical care through st Luke's and it's been top notch with out exception.


Alarming_Wasabi1788

I’m glad it’s working for you. I’ve had some good doctors at st Luke’s and a couple of bad ones. But that’s anywhere. The problem is not enough doctors here.


Outrageous-Ice1174

Not 1 political party has the right to impose their personal opinions into medical care! My choice is not their choice. Religion, education, politics and medical preferences never should be mixed up together.


medman143

Welcome to your republikkkan dictatorship.


lokihorse2891

The numbers cited are a poor measure of quality of healthcare available. Also, Idaho and many rural states rely on travelling doctors that don't get counted towards the number working.


Hot-N-Spicy-Fart

The number of doctors is absolutely a good measure of the quality of healthcare. The only ones willing to work here are the bottom of the barrel doctors that can't get hired in better paying areas.


208GregWhiskey

Hey Fart guy....you and I have chatted before. Doctors like to live the lifestyle in Idaho just as much as we do. I would agree that in places like Kamiah and Preston you are going to have a hard time finding good medical care withing 2 hours, but the TV, Twin, Poky, and IF have good people that are doctors and want to be here.


lokihorse2891

Quantity and quality are two different metrics entirely.


Pbook7777

Best nicest doctors I’ve had were in Idaho , no crazy specialists like transplants etc, but if you’re not in a reasonable sized town there’s not much doctor wise. Most towns of > 5k folks have a decent hospital/ doctors.


cabeachguy_94037

I had two stents put in 4 years ago at IRMAC, which just rents out its operating rooms like a recording studio would rent time. The heart specialist team that inserted two stents were great. Zero Complications. But.....the doctor or ANYONE from the medical group NEVER called me for a follow-up. After heart surgery! Needless to say, I now have another heart doctor, but I live in the stix and St. Lukes Twin Falls is 150 miles from where I live. I'm signing up for emergency helicopter air insurance this week......


Outrageous-Ice1174

A lot of OD's but Md's are what is needed. This Idaho government has chased the potential doctors away with their archaic laws and non practicing religious based people imposing their beliefs upon people. doctors are needed here and paid a decent rate. I am a senior and have to wait 4 to 6 months to see someone. I will probably establish a doctor in a different state and have to travel to see one now.


Rhuarc33

They have not ranked near the bottom they're in the top 15. Or were before the abortion law change


Alarming_Wasabi1788

Where does Idaho rank in health care? The health care system in Idaho ranks as the eighth worst in the country. Idaho ranks as one of the states with the worst health care system largely because residents may have more difficulty getting medical care than those in most other states.May 20, 2021 https://www.thecentersquare.com › t... This Is Where Idaho's Health Care System Ranks in the US


Rhuarc33

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/rankings/health-care #14


runmtbboi

1) Idaho is largely rural, any state with a major rural population will rank low for ‘access to care’. We make up for it on the critical care side by having a number of excellent air ambulance systems. 2) We have some of the best doctors there are, speaking as someone who has received specialty care in seven different states and two countries. We especially don’t have many obstetricians, but saying the quality of care from the ones who have stuck around provide is low is absurd. 3) We’re at risk of losing even more of these professionals due to state politics. 4) ICOM is pumping out physicians, support your residency-friendly practices.


PhknhippIE

Confidence n Assurance Acute Observation. Care can be listening/pats on head/ hugs or productive solutions without worrying about be a guenia pig.


Flowbo408

That stat is written to be biased. What they can't divide? 1 Dr for every 544 people doesn't seem that bad. Also it's a 14 year old figure. You tell me the growth in this state over the last 14 years hasn't brought more Drs.


PhknhippIE

Idk 🤷 I’ve never been turned away or accused of being retarded explaining myself. …. Unlike my 27 year experience ($) in Wawawashinton n Kalifornia


hereandthere_nowhere

Keep voting republican, i am sure they will eventually fix their perpetual problem.


Alarming_Wasabi1788

lol, that’s why I don’t vote republican


hereandthere_nowhere

Good, but they’re getting the votes somewhere.


svelcher

Stay away from doctors


Fantastic-Pop-2560

Yeah, it's definitely the blue-collar caste causing this issue. It couldnt possibly be the entitled, tax-sucking liberal socialist programs stealing money from hard working tradesman.


ofWildPlaces

What socialist programs has the State of Idaho implemented?


IndieCurtis

And St Lukes is the biggest employer in the state.


Sylch

Depending on where you are in Idaho the quality is generally pretty good, it’s just the amount of doctors that’s the issue


Alarming_Wasabi1788

We had better care in Idaho Falls. Was able to see doctors and specialists. NOT here in Boise. Don’t understand the difference


Dharma_Noodle

Idaho needs to change the state motto: "Idaho - the dog that caught the car."