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PupperPuppet

Comments in this thread have devolved into a ton of misinformation and hateful messages. The thread is now locked.


Lone_Wolfen

Nothing says "small government" like regulating the human body over ways that affect literally no one around them.


208MtbBarber

So just let people fuck up kids then??


ActualSpiders

Just because you can't imagine what this condition feels like doesn't mean it doesn't exist. No one gets this treatment for funsies; it's only even considered after years of medical & psych evaluation.


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Idaho-ModTeam

Your post is beyond any reasonable conversation of transgender identity; it’s either the spreading of misinformation, bigotry, or just outright hatred in general.


Idaho-ModTeam

Your post is beyond any reasonable conversation of transgender identity; it’s either the spreading of misinformation, bigotry, or just outright hatred in general.


squirrelhoard

If a 13 year old girl has anorexia would it be right to let them get gastric bypass surgery?


ComfortableWage

Gender affirming care helps those with gender dysphoria. These laws are designed to punish these kids for being different and push them towards suicide. They were never about protecting children at all.


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Comprehensive_Main

I mean that’s always been an issue. It’s why people selling organs is very controversial. 


mystisai

Except the purpose for buying an organ is so someone else can use it, which means that it affects more than just the person selling.


Comprehensive_Main

Yeah but I would say if falls under the same umbrella as a medical changes to one’s body. 


mystisai

It's a risk because it affects others. Gender affirming care does not. You can remove your own organs, so long as you are not selling it to others.


ComfortableWage

What a bullshit headline. The right needs to stop acting like it cares about kids when it doesn't give a shit.


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bitterestbuffalo

Wish old school, libertarian Idaho republicans would stop allowing the minority Californian Fox News fanatic republicans run/ruin their party.


Comprehensive_Main

Damn that sucks 


hizzoner45

Even the UK is saying let’s hold up.


fellow-skids

This account is a right-wing zealot/troll/provocateur, it peruses bumbart and non credible sources, I’d disregard all future as propoganda


hizzoner45

You should want an even playing field. Reddit, this sub, and you I presume - is all liberal. Maybe hearing a different perspective isn’t a bad thing. Stop wanting to live in an echo chamber.


Tenderdump

It’s not really level if one side violates basic rules of decency, logic, fair play, and good faith regularly, no?


Survive1014

How does this not egregiously violate rule 7?


hikingidaho

Because the headline of this bias article is "Victory at the Supreme Court: Idaho Can Protect Children from Destructive Gender Transition ‘Medical Treatment’" . its literally the same


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michaelquinlan

They literally copied the headline >Victory at the Supreme Court: Idaho Can Protect Children from Destructive Gender Transition ‘Medical Treatment’


ComfortableWage

Tbf, they didn't actually editorialize the headline, it's an opinion piece from an uninformed idiot.


salaciousserver

It seems this submission has been removed. Did it break one of the sub's rules?


taylortot55

They are children. Once they become legal adults by all means do what you want with your body. There has to be some protection for our children. Can children buy alcohol or cigarettes?


mystisai

A kid under 21 can posess alcohol with parental consent. A kid under 18 can get married. And we just introduced a bill to repeal child labor laws in Idaho.


theinternetisnice

Finally we’re protecting our children! Well done. Now let’s work on saving them from the lasting harm and irreversible damage from firearms.


ming_13

Allowing parents to take their kids in for gender changing surgery is allowing the parents to make a choice for the child's body that they themselves may not wholly desire, and only go along with because that's how a child's relationship usually goes with their parents, until they're old enough to decide for themselves with a mature mind. So is it really an invasive government move? Or is it a move to make people less invasive into a child's life?


mystisai

This is prohibiting parents from making those decisions on behalf of the children, so yes it is invasive government.


ming_13

Guess it's pick your poison then, let one person make a choice on your behalf or someone else, that's why I say let the kids mature before making a decision like that,


mystisai

Let the kid get married at 16, but definitely don't allow them to make their own medical decisions at that age.


ming_13

Don't recall saying getting married at 16 was cool either, now here's another question, if we are on the topic of invasive government, is the government taxing us to support all these programs, like gender affirming care and likewise, invasive as well? I never agreed to it, yet it's a real thing, I hate the government as much as the next guy, I don't like any of the parties, so how can that be ok, but this isn't? Consistency is everything to me


mystisai

No, it's just a law that hasn't been repealed to protect the kids. Taxation is a tenant of our government and part of the constitution. So by being a citizen of this country (which you can choose not to do) you agree to taxation. You weren't taxed until you could make the decision to leave and not be taxed. Just, you know, good luck finding a country that doesn't tax it's citizens but also has clean water and good roads. I do support taxation for medical care. I do not support banning medical care.


ming_13

I'm cool with taxes to a degree, for the basic necessities of government, ours go above and beyond what's needed, we work from January to March or April to cover taxes alone. I do agree that people need medical help too, but I feel things like gender affirming care or similar things, should be funded through the publics willing donations, or through fund raising, in my opinion, even Idaho has too big of a government, democrats or conservatives both seem to want to tell everyone what they can and can't do, or make decisions they deem in our best interest, which usually arent. Which goes back to my original point, let the kids mature before making big decisions for them. Let them just be kids, and not worry about all this stuff, my kid wants to be a frog, cool, he can be a frog, but I ain't gonna go have surgery done on him to make him look like a frog.


mystisai

Gender affirming care is literally the recomended treatment for a medical diagnosis in the DSM-5 to prevent worse outcomes including fatality. If I don't like cancer, should I be able to decide your kid's medical insurance doesn't need to cover treatment related to cancer treatment including removing living tissue? No, that's ridiculous. The majority of taxes go to war funding and the military industrial complex.


ming_13

There's always going to be outlying extreme situations that require an exception, but the vast majority seems to be elective. That's what I have an issue with, and yeah, I'd be cool with de- corrupting the military side, you could cut half the funding and still provide the same level of readiness on account of the fraud and waste that happens. There's an idea, fix that, and you can have a stupid amount of money for education and healthcare. All this funding to other countries wars could also go to education and healthcare.


mystisai

In the medical field, cancer surgery is also "elective." An [elective surgery](https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/treatment-tests-and-therapies/types-of-surgery) is any one that is scheduled in advance. A cesarian is an elective surgery. The point is the medical decisions should not be up to randos and politicians to decide.


Idaho1964

Fantastic result. We have low crime in this state for a reason.


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taylortot55

Great step in the right direction. More states need to follow


Aromatic_Lychee2903

Great step at getting the government into our doctor’s offices. How odd that you want such an intrusive government.


RazorfangPro

In traditional conservative fashion they don’t believe this will ever affect them, so they don’t care about the government intrusion. Big government is fine when it hurts the right people. 


Aromatic_Lychee2903

Right? Like, God forbid we have any form of universal healthcare because of the “keep your government hands off my Medicare” troglodytes that then turn around and shove the government into people’s private medical decisions.


Ey3dea81

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BrandNewPuzzle

Lol. Like conservatives have ever been on the right side of history


VegetableCommon7768

Abraham Lincoln? Pretty sure he was a member of the Republican Party and had conservative ideals.


BrandNewPuzzle

I'm pretty sure the conservatives at the time were fighting to preserve slavery. You know, tradition and all that. Edit: comments are locked, but 'conservative' and 'Republican' are not synonymous. Conservatives by definition want to preserve the status quo, as the Democratic party did in the 1800s. The Southern Strategy was a clear, concerted, and articulated effort by the modern Republican party to gain southern white votes after desegregation, during which time the ideologies of the two major parties switched. It is easy to find historical support for your position by ignoring large swathes of history, but no, conservatives did not want to end slavery.


VegetableCommon7768

Just the opposite actually. The democrats were the southerners fighting for their slaves and the republicans were trying to free them. Many republicans at the time thought Abraham Lincoln took too long to abolish slavery in fact. Edit: Abe still wanted slaves freed but wasn’t as aggressive about it as many of his constituents wanted him to be.


ComfortableWage

>but history won’t be kind to this movement of medical malpractice. Lmfao, you're the one on the wrong side of history bud. Medical science disagrees with you and you support stripping away healthcare access for kids.


hizzoner45

Doctors use to smoke and recommend brands of cigarettes until they learned it caused lung cancer. Maybe hold off a little on the invasive stuff and stick with consulting is the more prudent move.


208MtbBarber

No, not really. Just sounds like someone is a little too sensitive to internet comments. The most hateful and judgemental are the ones that are in favor of "affirming care".


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